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(WXYZ Detroit)   There is a new mayor in Detroit. With more proof that a minority can be successful   (wxyz.com) divider line 47
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2013-11-06 08:42:11 AM
Good for him.  He'll get a nice office with a cushy chair to sit in while he does absolutely nothing as Mayor.

He'll probably get a computer, too...so he can at least play solitaire while other people run the city.
 
2013-11-06 09:23:09 AM
Can't be worse than Kwame.
 
2013-11-06 09:26:12 AM
Were they able to vote out the Energency Manager?
 
2013-11-06 09:26:40 AM
Former CEO of DMC - was he in charge of these guys?

blogs.dallasobserver.com

Not sure that qualifies to run a major city, but  as it is Detroit, best of luck
 
2013-11-06 09:27:06 AM
Thanks Obama
 
2013-11-06 09:28:30 AM
Any relation to Hacksaw Jim Duggan?

/Hoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
 
2013-11-06 09:28:56 AM

gopher321: Can't be worse than Kwame.


What's kwame the mayor of?  Realdollville?
 
2013-11-06 09:29:37 AM

gopher321: Can't be worse than Kwame.


This.
 
2013-11-06 09:31:13 AM
So now they think a white guy can save their ass? It's Too Late Detroit!
 
2013-11-06 09:34:25 AM

JohnCarter: Former CEO of DMC - was he in charge of these guys?

[blogs.dallasobserver.com image 500x317]

Not sure that qualifies to run a major city, but  as it is Detroit, best of luck


What would if not that? fark lifelong politicians and people who have never spent time in the private sector.
 
2013-11-06 09:35:47 AM
Does that mean the Detroit Police are going to have to give up their rides?

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2013-11-06 09:36:19 AM

sepuku2: So now they think a white guy can save their ass? It's Too Late Detroit!


It was amusing to see the racist campaign against him though. But yea, guy can't save that city. You can't keep making bad mistakes for 50 years and expect someone who'll make a few good ones to save everything.
 
2013-11-06 09:36:35 AM
First up, as mayor of Detroit, his list of duties will include:
-Shopping for paperweights for the office
-Getting that new Rodriguez CD to finally come out
-Getting gangs off the streets and into Flint and Chicago
-Figuring out ways to make some cash off Eminem's name
-Isn't it about time for a techno/house museum here?
 
2013-11-06 09:38:08 AM

gopher321: Can't be worse than Kwame.


They said the same thing about Kwame in relation to Coleman Young.

Never, ever underestimate Detroit's ability to become even worse. They are the bleeding edge in post-industrial hellscape technology.
 
2013-11-06 09:44:59 AM

Magruda: Were they able to vote out the Energency Manager?


The city council can apparently do that with a 2/3 vote once the EM has been in place for a year, which will be in March.  Not sure what would happen next if they do that.
 
2013-11-06 09:45:23 AM
One white guy against an entire entrenched thugocracy of thieving city employees, city council member and police.  At least he'll get to enjoy the ride.  For a while anyway.


markkolier.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-11-06 09:48:32 AM
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2013-11-06 09:51:39 AM
Would it help if Michigan just threw out home rule for Detroit and governed it directly?

Or are they just as crooked and inept in Lansing?
 
2013-11-06 09:54:47 AM
What the hell? John DeLorean was the only CEO of DMC.
 
2013-11-06 10:03:02 AM

sendtodave: Would it help if Michigan just threw out home rule for Detroit and governed it directly?

Or are they just as crooked and inept in Lansing?


That's essentially what they did when they appointed an Emergency Manager.

Michigan's new governor is actually pretty acute - fixing a lot of shiat the former cheerleader governor ruined during her 8 year stewardship riding the state down to the bottom of every ranking in the US.
 
2013-11-06 10:05:06 AM

elvindeath: sendtodave: Would it help if Michigan just threw out home rule for Detroit and governed it directly?

Or are they just as crooked and inept in Lansing?

That's essentially what they did when they appointed an Emergency Manager.

Michigan's new governor is actually pretty acute - fixing a lot of shiat the former cheerleader governor ruined during her 8 year stewardship riding the state down to the bottom of every ranking in the US.


But it seems the local crew can vote out the emergency manager?
 
2013-11-06 10:08:33 AM

JohnCarter: Former CEO of DMC - was he in charge of these guys?

[blogs.dallasobserver.com image 500x317]

Not sure that qualifies to run a major city, but  as it is Detroit, best of luck


Yes. If DMC stands for "Diminished Mental Capacity".
 
2013-11-06 10:11:49 AM

elvindeath: fixing a lot of shiat the former cheerleader governor ruined during her 8 year stewardship riding the state down to the bottom of every ranking in the US.


Citation needed.
 
2013-11-06 10:13:28 AM

sendtodave: elvindeath: sendtodave: Would it help if Michigan just threw out home rule for Detroit and governed it directly?

Or are they just as crooked and inept in Lansing?

That's essentially what they did when they appointed an Emergency Manager.

Michigan's new governor is actually pretty acute - fixing a lot of shiat the former cheerleader governor ruined during her 8 year stewardship riding the state down to the bottom of every ranking in the US.

But it seems the local crew can vote out the emergency manager?


My understanding was that the EFM was installed until next fall but I don't know where I read that.

Regardless, if makes sense to elect a guy who was used to fixing broken shiat (ie. the DMC) and working within the system to improve things.  I just can't believe Detroiter's were so fed up with the standard party line to actually elect "the man".  I think the hipsters who have moved into Corktown and Midtown were a big part of push to get him in.  City voter turnout is historically very low and the hipsters seem to be a pretty dedicated part of the election process (thanks to Puffy and rock the vote and activism for certain causes and crap like that etc).

Any way you look at it, I think this is a step up from the status quo of electing the guy who can stick it to the man, like ya'lls boy Kwame.

/still refuse to move back to the area unless it is safe to walk around at night.
 
2013-11-06 10:14:14 AM

SevenizGud: elvindeath: fixing a lot of shiat the former cheerleader governor ruined during her 8 year stewardship riding the state down to the bottom of every ranking in the US.

Citation needed.


The citation is pretty self evident - have you seen Detroit and the state as a whole after her tenure ended?
 
2013-11-06 10:17:22 AM
Wasn't the last guy, Dave Bing, the first one to really start making the hard choices and try to make people realize Detroit had to condense & accept there needed to be a wholesale reorganization of the city layout?

Yes, I know he helmed the bankruptcy, but did he really have the time and tools to patch the Titanic when it was already below water?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought he tried very hard to be rational and get the Detroit-as-a-smaller-city ball rolling.
 
2013-11-06 10:17:31 AM

detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: sendtodave: elvindeath: sendtodave: Would it help if Michigan just threw out home rule for Detroit and governed it directly?

Or are they just as crooked and inept in Lansing?

That's essentially what they did when they appointed an Emergency Manager.

Michigan's new governor is actually pretty acute - fixing a lot of shiat the former cheerleader governor ruined during her 8 year stewardship riding the state down to the bottom of every ranking in the US.

But it seems the local crew can vote out the emergency manager?

My understanding was that the EFM was installed until next fall but I don't know where I read that.

Regardless, if makes sense to elect a guy who was used to fixing broken shiat (ie. the DMC) and working within the system to improve things.  I just can't believe Detroiter's were so fed up with the standard party line to actually elect "the man".  I think the hipsters who have moved into Corktown and Midtown were a big part of push to get him in.  City voter turnout is historically very low and the hipsters seem to be a pretty dedicated part of the election process (thanks to Puffy and rock the vote and activism for certain causes and crap like that etc).

Any way you look at it, I think this is a step up from the status quo of electing the guy who can stick it to the man, like ya'lls boy Kwame.

/still refuse to move back to the area unless it is safe to walk around at night.


I just think there may be real opportunity in Detroit, if people allow it to happen, and corruption can't block it.

It's a city that pretty much defines industrial infrastructure. And it's cheap.
 
2013-11-06 10:22:24 AM

OscarTamerz: One white guy against an entire entrenched thugocracy of thieving city employees, city council member and police.  At least he'll get to enjoy the ride.  For a while anyway.


[markkolier.files.wordpress.com image 850x478]


Not sure why it's relevant that he's a white guy against all that - ask Dennis Archer.
 
2013-11-06 10:22:26 AM

SevenizGud: elvindeath: fixing a lot of shiat the former cheerleader governor ruined during her 8 year stewardship riding the state down to the bottom of every ranking in the US.

Citation needed.


www.unc.edu
 
2013-11-06 10:23:19 AM
If only the entire US could be as left winged as Detroit.  Detroit is a political role model.
 
2013-11-06 10:23:35 AM

detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: sendtodave:

But it seems the local crew can vote out the emergency manager?

My understanding was that the EFM was installed until next fall but I don't know where I read that.


According to Wikipedia (using this article as a source), the EM can be removed by the city after being in place for one year.  I wonder if the bankruptcy declaration (which the implementation of an EM is supposed to prevent) was done as a means of ensuring EM-like policies continue even if he's removed.
 
2013-11-06 10:35:52 AM

Mrbogey: sepuku2: So now they think a white guy can save their ass? It's Too Late Detroit!

It was amusing to see the racist campaign against him though. But yea, guy can't save that city. You can't keep making bad mistakes for 50 years and expect someone who'll make a few good ones to save everything.


But you gotta start somewhere.
 
2013-11-06 10:36:21 AM

fickenchucker: Wasn't the last guy, Dave Bing, the first one to really start making the hard choices and try to make people realize Detroit had to condense & accept there needed to be a wholesale reorganization of the city layout?

Yes, I know he helmed the bankruptcy, but did he really have the time and tools to patch the Titanic when it was already below water?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought he tried very hard to be rational and get the Detroit-as-a-smaller-city ball rolling.


Word was (a while back) that the city council's been on that for a few years, but even demolition costs money.
 
2013-11-06 10:43:18 AM

lack of warmth: Mrbogey: sepuku2: So now they think a white guy can save their ass? It's Too Late Detroit!

It was amusing to see the racist campaign against him though. But yea, guy can't save that city. You can't keep making bad mistakes for 50 years and expect someone who'll make a few good ones to save everything.

But you gotta start somewhere.


NO!  We have to keep squalling about Detroit = democrat = evil Attractive and Successful African-American! Best part forever!
 
2013-11-06 10:56:36 AM

TheBigJerk: fickenchucker: Wasn't the last guy, Dave Bing, the first one to really start making the hard choices and try to make people realize Detroit had to condense & accept there needed to be a wholesale reorganization of the city layout?

Yes, I know he helmed the bankruptcy, but did he really have the time and tools to patch the Titanic when it was already below water?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought he tried very hard to be rational and get the Detroit-as-a-smaller-city ball rolling.

Word was (a while back) that the city council's been on that for a few years, but even demolition costs money.


I know that it doe, but does it have to? I mean, there's got to be a method where the city can just gobble up all these empty properties using eminent domain and GIVE the land away to anyone wanting to either tear down the entire property and build anew or tear the entire thing down and leave it clean for years until things rebound. Owner is responsible for 100% waste removal from site. There's gotta be enough scrap in these properties to make someone want them for that alone.

Burn the wood in the homes for heat too. Now there is an idea.
 
2013-11-06 11:40:09 AM

detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: SevenizGud: elvindeath: fixing a lot of shiat the former cheerleader governor ruined during her 8 year stewardship riding the state down to the bottom of every ranking in the US.

Citation needed.

The citation is pretty self evident - have you seen Detroit and the state as a whole after her tenure ended?


No, actually - I read the writing on the wall a gtfo'd before she was elected.

When long term economic and social stuffs are at work, it
doesn't really matter who's in charge.
 
2013-11-06 12:23:00 PM
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congrats
 
2013-11-06 12:24:22 PM

jayphat: TheBigJerk: fickenchucker: Wasn't the last guy, Dave Bing, the first one to really start making the hard choices and try to make people realize Detroit had to condense & accept there needed to be a wholesale reorganization of the city layout?

Yes, I know he helmed the bankruptcy, but did he really have the time and tools to patch the Titanic when it was already below water?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought he tried very hard to be rational and get the Detroit-as-a-smaller-city ball rolling.

Word was (a while back) that the city council's been on that for a few years, but even demolition costs money.

I know that it doe, but does it have to? I mean, there's got to be a method where the city can just gobble up all these empty properties using eminent domain and GIVE the land away to anyone wanting to either tear down the entire property and build anew or tear the entire thing down and leave it clean for years until things rebound. Owner is responsible for 100% waste removal from site. There's gotta be enough scrap in these properties to make someone want them for that alone.

Burn the wood in the homes for heat too. Now there is an idea.


My husband and I have talked a lot about this. We know a guy (heh) who's considered doing improvements on unowned property since there's no fool-proof way to establish title to a couple places, so we've discussed some of the issues involved.

Pro: Maybe we'd actually GET somewhere. Just do a list of all properties and if the taxes haven't been paid in 5 (10, 15, etc) years, eminent domain the sucker. Then either re-sell it or allow people to homestead (it's yours if you pay taxes and do improvements on the land within 3 years, etc).

Con: It's kind of an essential breakdown of a central concept of America - that what you own can't be taken away. Also, it'd gin up hundreds of court cases as deadbeat landlords come out of the woodwork to claim their property. This is why I'd prefer to have the city actually use eminent domain or something legal, because if you started to do improvements on a property, the legal owner could still show up 5 years from now and claim the property back, which means all your work would be for naught.

Notes: So, yeah, demolition. Great idea, IMO. There's probably a ton of asbestos and crap still hanging around. These aren't generally new buildings. There's Detroit Blight Authority, the city itself was bulldozing houses for a while under Bing, and now there's a group working with the grandson of the head of Pulte homes - that one's interesting because they did a really high-profile cleanup of 10 blocks. Haven't heard from them since, though.
 
2013-11-06 12:28:18 PM

Aidan: and now there's a group working with the grandson of the head of Pulte homes - that one's interesting because they did a really high-profile cleanup of 10 blocks. Haven't heard from them since, though.


Well slap my ass and call me late for dinner. Apparently they've been working on a 500-lot project in Brightmoor!
 
2013-11-06 12:51:56 PM
For those posting about using eminent domain to take vacant properties, there's a land bank in detroit and they are (were?) actively using it to aquire the worst-of-the-worst to help break the cycle of neglect and vacancy. And based on my experiences in Flint years ago, where the landbanking program in Michigan started, no, you literally can't give the property away. If there's no interest, there's no interest - occasionally developers show a hint and the demographics of the area just don't support business (and the schools, crime, market, etc. in the area don't support residential developments). Also, keep in mind that if the buildings remain, that costs a lot of money to tear them down (more than a lot of single-family lots are worth), and for larger industrial sites, the likely pollution that exists on the property is just more money that's required to bring it into a usable condition.

/though I've been out of Michigan for a while, just thought I'd share my experience
 
2013-11-06 02:55:01 PM

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congrats


Grrrrr.
Jackass beat me to it.
 
2013-11-06 03:46:53 PM
So when Detroit really goes down the shiatter they can now blame the white guy.
 
2013-11-06 06:07:22 PM
Chocolate city selects vanilla icing
 
2013-11-06 06:35:21 PM

Disaster Transport: For those posting about using eminent domain to take vacant properties, there's a land bank in detroit and they are (were?) actively using it to aquire the worst-of-the-worst to help break the cycle of neglect and vacancy. And based on my experiences in Flint years ago, where the landbanking program in Michigan started, no, you literally can't give the property away. If there's no interest, there's no interest - occasionally developers show a hint and the demographics of the area just don't support business (and the schools, crime, market, etc. in the area don't support residential developments). Also, keep in mind that if the buildings remain, that costs a lot of money to tear them down (more than a lot of single-family lots are worth), and for larger industrial sites, the likely pollution that exists on the property is just more money that's required to bring it into a usable condition.

/though I've been out of Michigan for a while, just thought I'd share my experience


Yeah, like I was saying, the city literally can't afford to tear down the buildings in the first place.  Demo is more than a couple guys with some dynamite blowing shiat up, and even if you plan to leave 'em as piles of rubble (which would be better than "crack-infested rathole") it really *is* important you do moderately-expensive analysis to make sure you won't have asbestos leaking into a water main or make infrastructure (gas, power, sewage) inaccessible.

Although I floated the idea that the US military might have use for urban warfare and demolition training, if you could clear enough of an area to just let 'em run around and blow everything up in the end.  Apparently they did something similar in a shiatty part of Ohio years back, left the rattraps and abandoned crap still standing though.
 
2013-11-06 07:05:55 PM
Maybe black voters don't see color.

That would certainly screw up a lot of conservative Republicans theories about black voters, now wouldn't it?
 
2013-11-06 08:57:26 PM

detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: SevenizGud: elvindeath: fixing a lot of shiat the former cheerleader governor ruined during her 8 year stewardship riding the state down to the bottom of every ranking in the US.

Citation needed.

The citation is pretty self evident - have you seen Detroit and the state as a whole after her tenure ended?


Let's be fair.

Michigan was manufacturing.
Detroit had farking Kwame.

2001 recession wiped out manufacturing JOBS.
For reasons, this created a bunch of manufacturing people who HAD been making close to $100K counting benefits who were basically qualified for minimum wage at best.
Kwame was so bad that he kicked the blackmiddle class, such as it was, out of Detroit and piled on even more debt (though he was also in charge when downtown started to come back FWIW).
2008 recession finished off the remaining manufacturing jobs.  (And it would have been worse except for the bailouts).
Snyder showed up and said "Hey, it's not like I can do any worse and I'm a sane Republican" (and I remember hearing that the Democrat was REALLY corrupt), so Snyder got elected.

Of course, the infrastructure is fantastic (no mass transit, but enough roads and freeways that you don't CARE) and housing is cheap (3 BR/2BA house for $150K within walking distance of one of the 1850's downtowns in the suburbs), and meanwhile, white collar work pays WELL (Like 75% of NYC well).  So you can just be a normal suburbanite, and then blow $10K/year on a crazy vacation to NYC/SF/Various national parks.
 
2013-11-07 10:41:40 AM
meyerkev - $10k in NYC??  What are you going to do for dinner after having breakfast and lunch?
 
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