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(Salon)   You're probably overthinking your gun-buying decision if you're considering its cultural significance as a totem object and how it symbolizes your ideology and sociological identity   (salon.com) divider line 258
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2013-11-06 08:26:14 AM
Or: that's exactly the amount of thought you *should* be putting into buying a gun.  Because a gun isn't something you should just pick up on a whim and leave lying around your house.
 
2013-11-06 08:43:09 AM
I went for the one with holster that didn't make my hips look too "hippy"
 
2013-11-06 08:47:24 AM
As a black feminist she will likely need at least a Saiga-12 semi-automatic shotgun to satisfy the enormity of the penis envy she must feel.
 
2013-11-06 09:08:19 AM
A totem? I thought the totem was the top. Now I'm even more confused
 
2013-11-06 09:12:11 AM

reillan: Or: that's exactly the amount of thought you *should* be putting into buying a gun.  Because a gun isn't something you should just pick up on a whim and leave lying around your house.


Nonsense.  This article is approaching the subject from a perspective of both racial and gender identity, which means we need twice the amount of marginalization in the course of the debate.  She's just making more work for everybody.

It's like a trifecta of summoning knee-jerk reactionaries, and unfortunately the crux of the article might get ignored.  Which is a shame, because this article is well-written.  I particularly like this paragraph, although I don't understand why she thought it made "perfect sense":

Does it make sense that my parents' generation, which lived through Jim Crow, lynching and the civil rights era would be reluctant to own guns, but my generation, which came of age in relative comfort, would feel the need to keep weapons for protection? I think it makes perfect sense.

 And then a bit further down:

When I ask my father if he would want me to own a gun for protection his voice rises.
"No, because you have small kids," he says. "You should fear having a gun in the house more than somebody breaking in."
 
2013-11-06 09:28:09 AM
She should call me, and I'll walk her through the 5 C's of buying a gun:

Caliber
Capacity
Comfort
Corrosion resistance
Cost
 
2013-11-06 09:30:41 AM
Headline is potato.   My head is now full of f*ck.
 
2013-11-06 09:42:26 AM

media.salon.com

Check me if I'm wrong but that damn sure looks like a Colt 357. I have one with a low 10xxx serial number. My Dad bought it somewhere between 1953-55. Nice revolver.
 
2013-11-06 09:42:52 AM
You're probably overthinking your gun-buying decision if you're considering its cultural significance as a totem object and how it symbolizes your ideology and sociological identity

You can replace "gun" in this headline with any other product in the world.
 
2013-11-06 09:46:08 AM
I just want a phallic object.
 
2013-11-06 10:05:29 AM

sigdiamond2000: You're probably overthinking your gun-buying dildo-buying decision if you're considering its cultural significance as a totem object and how it symbolizes your ideology and sociological identity

You can replace "gun" in this headline with any other product in the world.


Hummm...that *does* seem to work.
 
2013-11-06 10:26:34 AM
PENIS
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-11-06 10:28:08 AM

reillan: Or: that's exactly the amount of thought you *should* be putting into buying a gun.  Because a gun isn't something you should just pick up on a whim and leave lying around your house.


Yes, practical practical matters like how am I going to use it, and where will I store it, and will it make me more or less safe would be totally silly things to think about.
 
2013-11-06 10:28:19 AM

reillan: Or: that's exactly the amount of thought you *should* be putting into buying a gun.  Because a gun isn't something you should just pick up on a whim and leave lying around your house.


Why do you hate freedom?

Also, it's a penis. Who doesn't like a penis?
 
2013-11-06 10:28:32 AM

My life as a black woman, and a terrifying home invasion, have shaped my complicated ideas about firearms


News flash: there are no complicated ideas in TFA.
 
2013-11-06 10:28:40 AM
Every action you take has cultural significance, whether you consciously apprehend it or not.

Buying a gun. Walking alone at night. Eating at a fancy restaurant. Picking pumpkins in a pumpkin patch. Throwing garbage down the trash chute of your apartment. Pooping on a porcelain toilet. Dating an Asian girl.

It all has a meaning vis a vis the culture you live in.
 
2013-11-06 10:28:43 AM

sigdiamond2000: You're probably overthinking your gun-buying decision if you're considering its cultural significance as a totem object and how it symbolizes your ideology and sociological identity

You can replace "gun" in this headline with any other product in the world.


ts4.mm.bing.net

What about an actual totem?
 
2013-11-06 10:28:44 AM
People who buy guns are absurdly more likely to be racist by objective measures than other people, lady.  It's not just a symbol of politics, it's also a practical manifestation of fear of minorities.  Conservatives own guns because they're afraid of you.
 
2013-11-06 10:29:42 AM
It is a very important decision. You have weigh the penis to gun lethality ratio carefully lest you under compensate leaving you still feeling like a little girly froo froo.
 
2013-11-06 10:29:49 AM
Or you go to a reputable shop, speak with a knowledgeable employee and tell him your wants/needs from the gun, shoot a few of what he advises, choose the one that is best for you, pay for it.
 
2013-11-06 10:31:23 AM
It creeped me out after Sandy Hook the number of people who wanted to buy a Bushmaster AR-15 after they saw how effective it was at killing children.
 
2013-11-06 10:31:45 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Every action you take has cultural significance, whether you consciously apprehend it or not.

Buying a gun. Walking alone at night. Eating at a fancy restaurant. Picking pumpkins in a pumpkin patch. Throwing garbage down the trash chute of your apartment. Pooping on a porcelain toilet. Dating an Asian girl.

It all has a meaning vis a vis the culture you live in.


Putting on my left sock before my right?  Really?

Don't you have a text you should be deconstructing?
 
2013-11-06 10:33:55 AM

FrancoFile: Putting on my left sock before my right? Really?


Libtard
 
2013-11-06 10:34:03 AM
spin it however you want, lady. no one's fooled
 
2013-11-06 10:34:05 AM

Muta: It creeped me out after Sandy Hook the number of people who wanted to buy a Bushmaster AR-15 after they saw how effective it was at killing children.


Newtown was a marketing ploy by Bushmaster and the NRA!

IT'S A CONSPIRACY!! FALSE FLAG!!! WHHHAAARGARRRBLEDY!!!!1shift
 
2013-11-06 10:35:35 AM

Muta: It creeped me out after Sandy Hook the number of people who wanted to buy a Bushmaster AR-15 after they saw how effective it was at killing children.


I know right, I always figured a shotgun would be better since the little farkers can run so fast you'd want something with some spread in it
 
2013-11-06 10:35:36 AM

Muta: It creeped me out after Sandy Hook the number of people who wanted to buy a Bushmaster AR-15 after they saw how effective it was at killing children.


You mean not at all? Considering it was in his trunk the whole time?
 
2013-11-06 10:36:19 AM

rudemix: Or you go to a reputable shop, speak with a knowledgeable employee and tell him your wants/needs from the gun, shoot a few of what he advises, choose the one that is best for you, pay for it.


This...........
 
2013-11-06 10:37:06 AM
I dunno about her buying a gun. I'm all in favor of everyone owning a gun but I easily see her penning an article in 10 years about how she bought a gun and it didn't do anything ergo guns are worthless.
 
2013-11-06 10:38:06 AM

Muta: It creeped me out after Sandy Hook the number of people who wanted to buy a Bushmaster AR-15 after they saw how effective it was at killing children.


That is incorrect, they rushed out to buy them because they knew, accurately, that there'd be a push to ban them.
 
2013-11-06 10:38:10 AM
Can it shoot the head off a gopher...

Y

N
 
2013-11-06 10:39:21 AM

dittybopper: She should call me, and I'll walk her through the 5 C's of buying a gun:

Caliber
Capacity
Comfort
Corrosion resistance
Cost


Given what I see on the range, in gun forums and at gun stores there's often a sixth C: Compensation (for physical inadequacies real or imagined)
 
2013-11-06 10:39:31 AM
This is sort of like that cartoon we all saw about how men and women choose shampoo differently. The woman has about 12 decision vectors, the guy just looks for the word "shampoo" on the label.

Last time I was in the market, my decision process was basically "Walther or HK, which can I afford this month?"
 
2013-11-06 10:40:18 AM
OCD sucks.
 
2013-11-06 10:41:31 AM
The article says pretty early on by saying black women are usually killed by someone whom they know (dancing around the issue that the perpetrator is usually black), and then goes on to put the ownership of a gun within the context of a civil rights struggle, even though even during the height of the civil rights struggle that represented a small fraction of violence against black people.

Next, she refuses to disagree with the statement that women defending themselves masks a "white supremacist worldviews." Then, at the end, she's looking at pictures of black men known to be criminals to identify the black men that robbed her at gun point, and she bemoans the fact black men are treated as criminals.

This article is a mess. She has something that might be a good idea in there, but it needs a good editor to bring it out, and frankly, I'm kind of appalled that someone with such a poor ability to organize their thoughts is a professor.
 
2013-11-06 10:41:40 AM

dittybopper: She should call me, and I'll walk her through the 5 C's of buying a gun:

Caliber
Capacity
Comfort
Corrosion resistance
Cost


Before you have that conversation, though, you need to ask the first and most important question: "What is the job you want this gun to do?"

A gun is a tool. No more, no less. There are some jobs that are appropriate for a Phillips screwdriver, while others are better served by a hacksaw. If you're talking about the relative merits of a .45 vs a 9mm for home defense, or a 12-gauge vs .410 for a concealed application, you're having the wrong conversation.

Guns fall into 3 major categories: hunting tools, tools of the weak, and tools of the scared. Hunters know their tools well enough. The weak need something to level the playing field, like my mother having a CCW permit and a pink .38.

The scared can make do with ARs and comically oversized handguns to protect themselves from the government, minorities, and any other bogeymen their fevered imaginations can manage to render.
 
2013-11-06 10:43:37 AM
the need for aggression and aggressive protection of property can mask patriarchal and white supremacist worldviews

wat.
 
2013-11-06 10:43:55 AM
That is way too much thought and energy expended when there's a really simple answer:

i.imgur.com
 
2013-11-06 10:44:43 AM

aelat: the need for aggression and aggressive protection of property can mask patriarchal and white supremacist worldviews

wat.


White men like shiat and don't want other people taking it away.
 
2013-11-06 10:45:16 AM
I got over this hurdle by buying 20 guns. All different shapes and sizes and calibers.
 
2013-11-06 10:50:41 AM
WTF is up with the bit about her dad and the .45?
"he had to turn in to the state of Michigan when he moved to the Southwest"

Does the state own the gun and just let the citizenry check them out like library books?
 
2013-11-06 10:51:12 AM

ikanreed: People who buy guns are absurdly more likely to be racist by objective measures than other people, lady.  It's not just a symbol of politics, it's also a practical manifestation of fear of minorities.  Conservatives own guns because they're afraid of you.



I am really sorry about being a racist , I just didn't know it was a practical manifestation of my fear of minorities that I was unaware that I had

Gee, for the last 50 years I thought I bought guns because I enjoy shooting.
Thanks for setting me straight.
By the way, I am an independent.

See what I did there dumbass?
 
2013-11-06 10:51:17 AM

Dadoody: I got over this hurdle by buying 20 guns. All different shapes and sizes and calibers.


Same here.....and none of them resemble a penis in any manner.
 
2013-11-06 10:51:33 AM
ikanreed

People who buy guns are absurdly more likely to be racist by objective measures than other people, lady. It's not just a symbol of politics, it's also a practical manifestation of fear of minorities.

Oh, wow. No flaws in that at all, no sir.
 
2013-11-06 10:51:41 AM
Who needs a gun when I can defend against home invasion with a dog and a vacuum cleaner pipe?
 
2013-11-06 10:51:49 AM
Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: ...frankly, I'm kind of appalled that someone with such a poor ability to organize their thoughts is a professor.

HAHAHAHA...sorry, was that out loud?

/ 2 years out of engineering school
// it still burns.
 
2013-11-06 10:51:56 AM

Bareefer Obonghit: As a black feminist she will likely need at least a Saiga-12 semi-automatic shotgun to satisfy the enormity of the penis envy she must feel.


Seriously, so what about your ideology and sociological identity?  I personally don't give a fark.
 
2013-11-06 10:52:10 AM
my ideas about firearms aren't neat. But then no one arrives easily at these ideas.

Actually, yes they do. For a lot of people, it isn't much more than "guns are scary and therefore should be illegal!"
 
2013-11-06 10:52:45 AM

ikanreed: People who buy guns are absurdly more likely to be racist by objective measures than other people, lady.  It's not just a symbol of politics, it's also a practical manifestation of fear of minorities.  Conservatives own guns because they're afraid of you.


Correlation is not causation.

Symbolic racism is more common in communities that have low diversity.
Urban areas are more diverse.
Rural areas have more people who have legitimate needs for firearms.
The study found no correlation between overt racism views and firearm ownership.

The study results are not surprising. Assigning motivation to the correlation and suggesting that motivation is causal is, however, at least 2 steps too far.
 
2013-11-06 10:52:49 AM
I think her musings are more about what it means for a black woman to own a gun rather than whether the Sig Sauer or Ruger is better at matching her cultural identity. And I understand where she is coming from, even as a white male in suburbia. I have two friends who hunt and belong to the local gun club. I'd go to the range with them and fire their rifles and hand guns and it was a good time. I liked target shooting. So I decided to go out and get a gun so that I wouldn't have to borrow theirs at the range all the time.

What happened next was interesting. Some other friends asked if I was going to start voting republican and get a new truck. Other people asked if I really felt that unsafe in the neighborhood. All sorts of conclusions were drawn about why I bought the gun. When I said it was kept in a locked safe, with a trigger lock AND a gun barrel cable lock, they asked how I ever expected to get it out and loaded during a home invasion. I tell them I don't, and if someone wants my TV and other stuff in the middle of the night they can have it.

So now I am labeled "gun owner" and as a white male I learned that's going to come with other preconceived notions. And I imagine for the author, as a black woman, owning a gun comes with a whole string of other unfair assumptions by others.
 
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