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2013-11-05 09:37:47 PM  
Good. There are worse people in the world but not by much
 
2013-11-05 09:42:03 PM  
Thank You... The comment section on that one is the gift that keeps on giving.  It is wrong to take pleasure in it but really, is not sooo bad.  The ones trolling the tea partiers are really getting them going.  There was one guy who desperately twisted all reason to argue that this was a referendum AGAINST Obamacare since the double digit lead by the democrat shrank to single digits days before the election.  Mostly it was people blasting Virginians for being against jobs and all over some sweet welfare money.
 
2013-11-05 09:42:16 PM  
This one should go green.

/not Subby
 
2013-11-05 09:47:08 PM  
Meanwhile, on FNC, they're just farking the chicken they named "Obamacare." Not a peep (if you will) about the gubernatorial races.
 
2013-11-05 09:51:09 PM  

And the Tea Party cries out "Slave, I before reasoned with you, but you have proved yourself unworthy of my condescension. Remember that I have power; you believe yourself miserable, but I can make you so wretched that the light of day will be hateful to you. You are my creator, but I am your master; obey!"

www.akawilliam.com

 
2013-11-05 09:56:49 PM  

abb3w: And the Tea Party cries out "Slave, I before reasoned with you, but you have proved yourself unworthy of my condescension. Remember that I have power; you believe yourself miserable, but I can make you so wretched that the light of day will be hateful to you. You are my creator, but I am your master; obey!"

[www.akawilliam.com image 600x439]


golem : an animated anthropomorphic being, created entirely from inanimate matter.

/I think that describes it rather well, actually
 
2013-11-06 12:19:38 AM  
Congrats, Virginia....

I guess?!?!
 
2013-11-06 12:20:29 AM  
It's curious the disdain Fox shows for a well-monied candidate when that well-monied candidate has the temerity to be a Democrat.
 
2013-11-06 12:57:06 AM  
Yep another referendum on Obamacare.  And you lost.  Again.  Shut. THE. F*CK. UP.

/Ken Coochinelly's "concession" speech was an embarassment
 
2013-11-06 12:59:15 AM  
Terry McAuliffe is a bag of shiat, sure, but Cuccinelli is a royal bag of shiat.

Glad I didn't have to hold my nose to vote in that race.
 
2013-11-06 01:01:15 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: It's curious the disdain Fox shows for a well-monied candidate when that well-monied candidate has the temerity to be a Democrat.


It's because (as everyone knows) Democrats have money wrong.  If you're not using your wealth to increase the amount of suffering in the world, then you're just a dilettante.
 
2013-11-06 01:02:18 AM  
No, the illegals stole the elections. I heard it on talk radio on the way to work tonight.
 
2013-11-06 01:03:34 AM  
Wait. So, Sarah Palin isn't president?
 
2013-11-06 01:04:50 AM  
The only thing that bothers me is how Cooch managed to close the gap. Because Obamacare. Specifically, all the inaccurate information floating around regarding Obamacare. The Cooch should have lost by a higher margin, and it is sad that it didn't happen because people are dumb.

But I'll take what pleasure I can.
 
2013-11-06 01:07:03 AM  
Lol

"YOU CRUZ YOU LOSE 2016!"
 
2013-11-06 01:07:51 AM  
Anyone know how the down-ticket races went? That preacher guy running for Lt. Gov made Cooch look sane and normal in comparison.
 
2013-11-06 01:09:57 AM  
So, did the other kooks running for Lieutenant Governor and Attorney General lose as well?  They made for quite a freak show.
 
2013-11-06 01:11:55 AM  

The Martian Manhandler: Anyone know how the down-ticket races went? That preacher guy running for Lt. Gov made Cooch look sane and normal in comparison.


D won the Lt Gov by 10 points.  Attorney General is ridiculously close ( < 1000 votes) with 99% reporting but in favor of the Republican.
 
2013-11-06 01:12:31 AM  
Heh.. that wasn't an intentional paraphrasing of The Martian Manhandler's post.
 
2013-11-06 01:15:26 AM  
I couldn't get more than two paragraphs into that tripe, the spin was making me dizzy. "Though McAuliffe previously held a double-digit lead, exit polls showed voters opposed to the federal health care law overwhelmingly backed Cuccinelli, helping him narrow the gap on Tuesday."- You don't farking say, hardcore conservatives didn't vote for the Democrat? And yet there are people who eat this shiat up like ice cream.
 
2013-11-06 01:22:08 AM  

gunslinger_RG: Thank You... The comment section on that one is the gift that keeps on giving.  It is wrong to take pleasure in it but really, is not sooo bad.


heh....its shaping to be almost as good as Nov election message-board schadenfreude fest. Maybe not quite as fun, but it it is a worthy contender.

Someone quick.......get the Study It Out Lady on the phone for the definitive quote.....STAT!

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And just because we always need a little more levity in the election process, I give you the absolutely, best political commercial known to humankind..........


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The Herman Cain Smoking Ad.
 
2013-11-06 01:23:34 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: golem : an animated anthropomorphic being, created entirely from inanimate matter.


Tea Party, (n): an animated ultra-conservative political party, created entirely from inanimate brain cells.
 
2013-11-06 01:24:55 AM  
I have to say, I didn't vote for either of them. Cooch was crazy but McClintonMoney was just as bad.

Virginia is gonna be shiat for the next couple years until he gets tapped for Hillarys VP spot.
 
2013-11-06 01:28:53 AM  

skilbride: I have to say, I didn't vote for either of them. Cooch was crazy but McClintonMoney was just as bad.

Virginia is gonna be shiat for the next couple years until he gets tapped for Hillarys VP spot.


Labiarals?
 
2013-11-06 01:30:41 AM  
From another article on the election:

A majority of white voters - 56 percent - favored Cuccinelli in the race, but their percentage of the electorate was down (72 percent in 2013 compared to 78 percent in 2009), while the percentage of black voters - who vote overwhelmingly Democratic - increased (20 percent in 2013 compared to 16 percent in 2009).

Makes more sense than the linked article. Democrats supported McAuliffe. Their numbers increased. Republicans supported Cuccinelli. Their numbers decreased. Demographics.
 
2013-11-06 01:37:59 AM  

Delay: From another article on the election:

A majority of white voters - 56 percent - favored Cuccinelli in the race, but their percentage of the electorate was down (72 percent in 2013 compared to 78 percent in 2009), while the percentage of black voters - who vote overwhelmingly Democratic - increased (20 percent in 2013 compared to 16 percent in 2009).

Makes more sense than the linked article. Democrats supported McAuliffe. Their numbers increased. Republicans supported Cuccinelli. Their numbers decreased. Demographics.


And it's only going to get worse for the GOP. No wonder they're trying to make voting harder for minorities.
 
2013-11-06 01:38:05 AM  

skilbride: I have to say, I didn't vote for either of them. Cooch was crazy but McClintonMoney was just as bad.

Virginia is gonna be shiat for the next couple years until he gets tapped for Hillarys VP spot.


lol not by a mile.
 
2013-11-06 01:40:57 AM  
 
2013-11-06 01:48:21 AM  

malaktaus: I couldn't get more than two paragraphs into that tripe, the spin was making me dizzy. "Though McAuliffe previously held a double-digit lead, exit polls showed voters opposed to the federal health care law overwhelmingly backed Cuccinelli, helping him narrow the gap on Tuesday."- You don't farking say, hardcore conservatives didn't vote for the Democrat? And yet there are people who eat this shiat up like ice cream.


Well, last week McAulliffe WAS like 11% ahead. The end result was a lot closer than expected, or at least closer than I expected, along with the local press.  The Washington Post has been running articles about Cuccinelli's inevitable loss since last week, but it ended up being a lot closer than they thought.   Even the Huffington Post was calling for a greater spread.

What I can't figure out is if the polling was wrong or just incomplete.  Because in this one instance, the Republican did better than expected by almost every single poll out there.  Normally the echo chamber works in reverse.
 
2013-11-06 01:50:11 AM  

Peter von Nostrand: Congrats, Virginia....

I guess?!?!


Thanks!

I think?
 
2013-11-06 01:52:13 AM  

Delay: From another article on the election:

A majority of white voters - 56 percent - favored Cuccinelli in the race, but their percentage of the electorate was down (72 percent in 2013 compared to 78 percent in 2009), while the percentage of black voters - who vote overwhelmingly Democratic - increased (20 percent in 2013 compared to 16 percent in 2009).

Makes more sense than the linked article. Democrats supported McAuliffe. Their numbers increased. Republicans supported Cuccinelli. Their numbers decreased. Demographics.


Only if you count black democrats as whole people.
 
2013-11-06 01:55:00 AM  

Delay: From another article on the election:
A majority of white voters - 56 percent - favored Cuccinelli in the race, but their percentage of the electorate was down (72 percent in 2013 compared to 78 percent in 2009), while the percentage of black voters - who vote overwhelmingly Democratic - increased (20 percent in 2013 compared to 16 percent in 2009).
Makes more sense than the linked article. Democrats supported McAuliffe. Their numbers increased. Republicans supported Cuccinelli. Their numbers decreased. Demographics.


Interesting numbers. I have to wonder if this is the beginning of the failure of gerrymandering. Looking at the map, one might think Cuccinelli was safe. But it did not pan out that way.

It was a close race (and the Dem was not the best candidate), but it may have been won on the strength of population trends as Dems continue to move and aggregate in urban areas. Districts can only be cut up so much. Certainly, there are enough suppression efforts still ongoing to ensure GOP victories in a large number of areas, but that number is shrinking.

The GOP either needs to really embrace change (as opposed to Reince Priebus Lip Service Sound Bites™) or be relegated to the dustbin of political history. With each election cycle it gets more perilous for conservatives. There won't be a collapse tomorrow or next year or the next, but it appears that a constant erosion of the GOP base is real and tangible.

i.imgur.com
Sayonara Mo-GOP-Fos. 'twas nice knowing ya.

Ummm, wait.....no it wasn't
 
2013-11-06 01:57:28 AM  

Lsherm: malaktaus: I couldn't get more than two paragraphs into that tripe, the spin was making me dizzy. "Though McAuliffe previously held a double-digit lead, exit polls showed voters opposed to the federal health care law overwhelmingly backed Cuccinelli, helping him narrow the gap on Tuesday."- You don't farking say, hardcore conservatives didn't vote for the Democrat? And yet there are people who eat this shiat up like ice cream.

Well, last week McAulliffe WAS like 11% ahead.  The end result was a lot closer than expected, or at least closer than I expected, along with the local press.  The Washington Post has been running articles about Cuccinelli's inevitable loss since last week, but it ended up being a lot closer than they thought.   Even the Huffington Post was calling for a greater spread.

What I can't figure out is if the polling was wrong or just incomplete.  Because in this one instance, the Republican did better than expected by almost every single poll out there.  Normally the echo chamber works in reverse.


cain't poll thems as got none a'them talkin' machines

/and they sure's hell ain't votin' for no dimmycrat
 
2013-11-06 02:03:40 AM  

homelessdude: Delay: From another article on the election:
A majority of white voters - 56 percent - favored Cuccinelli in the race, but their percentage of the electorate was down (72 percent in 2013 compared to 78 percent in 2009), while the percentage of black voters - who vote overwhelmingly Democratic - increased (20 percent in 2013 compared to 16 percent in 2009).
Makes more sense than the linked article. Democrats supported McAuliffe. Their numbers increased. Republicans supported Cuccinelli. Their numbers decreased. Demographics.

Interesting numbers. I have to wonder if this is the beginning of the failure of gerrymandering. Looking at the map, one might think Cuccinelli was safe. But it did not pan out that way.

It was a close race (and the Dem was not the best candidate), but it may have been won on the strength of population trends as Dems continue to move and aggregate in urban areas. Districts can only be cut up so much. Certainly, there are enough suppression efforts still ongoing to ensure GOP victories in a large number of areas, but that number is shrinking.

The GOP either needs to really embrace change (as opposed to Reince Priebus Lip Service Sound Bites™) or be relegated to the dustbin of political history. With each election cycle it gets more perilous for conservatives. There won't be a collapse tomorrow or next year or the next, but it appears that a constant erosion of the GOP base is real and tangible.


Sayonara Mo-GOP-Fos. 'twas nice knowing ya.

Ummm, wait.....no it wasn't


Yeah, VA really is about half half.

I guess NOVA and VA beach can keep growing?

Anyway, the urban / rural divide here really feels like a microcosm of the US as a whole. Very big ideological differences.

Again, Nate Silver: First, there are extremely few swing districts - only one-half to one-third as many as when the last government shutdown occurred in 1996. Some of this is because of partisan gerrymandering, but more of it is because of increasingly sharp ideological divides along geographic lines: between urban and rural areas, between the North and the South, and between the coasts and the interior of the United States.

http://www.grantland.com/fivethirtyeight/story/_/id/9802433/nate-silv e r-us-government-shutdown
 
2013-11-06 02:06:09 AM  
48 to 46 % is pretty close considering one candidate wants oral sex a felony.  Which is odd, because the conservatives I know are far more likely to be lewd and obnoxious about what they would do to women they see and what they'd make those women do to them.  I have coworkers who make comments I wouldn't say on fark.
 
2013-11-06 02:06:48 AM  

Carn: The Martian Manhandler: Anyone know how the down-ticket races went? That preacher guy running for Lt. Gov made Cooch look sane and normal in comparison.

D won the Lt Gov by 10 points.  Attorney General is ridiculously close ( < 1000 votes) with 99% reporting but in favor of the Republican.


It's swung in favor of the Democrat Herring, to the tune of about 600 votes.
 
2013-11-06 02:06:59 AM  

fusillade762: Delay: From another article on the election:

A majority of white voters - 56 percent - favored Cuccinelli in the race, but their percentage of the electorate was down (72 percent in 2013 compared to 78 percent in 2009), while the percentage of black voters - who vote overwhelmingly Democratic - increased (20 percent in 2013 compared to 16 percent in 2009).

Makes more sense than the linked article. Democrats supported McAuliffe. Their numbers increased. Republicans supported Cuccinelli. Their numbers decreased. Demographics.

And it's only going to get worse for the GOP. No wonder they're trying to make voting harder for minorities.



Cucccinelli got 46% of the vote with 40% turnout and a massive GOTV effort by his supporters.

That ~20% Tea Party demographic isn't getting any bigger.
 
2013-11-06 02:15:31 AM  

Smackledorfer: 48 to 46 % is pretty close considering one candidate wants oral sex a felony.  Which is odd, because the conservatives I know are far more likely to be lewd and obnoxious about what they would do to women they see and what they'd make those women do to them.  I have coworkers who make comments I wouldn't say on fark.


Oh, comon, you know the moral rules they uphold don't apply to them.

It's like cops and speeding tickets.

Ah! Which is why it's so unpalatable to them that they aren't the in charge. They need to be the authority to maintain their moral high ground.

If you're not cop, you're little people.
 
2013-11-06 02:17:06 AM  

gunslinger_RG: Thank You... The comment section on that one is the gift that keeps on giving.  It is wrong to take pleasure in it but really, is not sooo bad.  The ones trolling the tea partiers are really getting them going.  There was one guy who desperately twisted all reason to argue that this was a referendum AGAINST Obamacare since the double digit lead by the democrat shrank to single digits days before the election.  Mostly it was people blasting Virginians for being against jobs and all over some sweet welfare money.


That wasn't some random troll... that was in Cuccinelli's concession speech.  Seriously.
 
2013-11-06 02:21:59 AM  
His wife is teh hot.
 
2013-11-06 02:25:44 AM  

Rhino_man: gunslinger_RG: Thank You... The comment section on that one is the gift that keeps on giving.  It is wrong to take pleasure in it but really, is not sooo bad.  The ones trolling the tea partiers are really getting them going.  There was one guy who desperately twisted all reason to argue that this was a referendum AGAINST Obamacare since the double digit lead by the democrat shrank to single digits days before the election.  Mostly it was people blasting Virginians for being against jobs and all over some sweet welfare money.

That wasn't some random troll... that was in Cuccinelli's concession speech.  Seriously.


[thatsthejoke.jpg]
 
2013-11-06 02:35:34 AM  

homelessdude: Delay: From another article on the election:
A majority of white voters - 56 percent - favored Cuccinelli in the race, but their percentage of the electorate was down (72 percent in 2013 compared to 78 percent in 2009), while the percentage of black voters - who vote overwhelmingly Democratic - increased (20 percent in 2013 compared to 16 percent in 2009).
Makes more sense than the linked article. Democrats supported McAuliffe. Their numbers increased. Republicans supported Cuccinelli. Their numbers decreased. Demographics.

Interesting numbers. I have to wonder if this is the beginning of the failure of gerrymandering. Looking at the map, one might think Cuccinelli was safe. But it did not pan out that way.


How does gerrymandering effect a statewide office race?
 
2013-11-06 02:38:48 AM  

fusillade762: How does gerrymandering affect a statewide office race?


It might reduce turnout in some cases by the disenfranchised party.  Not that they shouldn't turnout for governor, but if you were going to show up to vote on something else on the ballot and your opinion is worth little on those issues you would have less incentive, or a perception thereof, to vote than someone on the other side?
 
2013-11-06 03:07:30 AM  

Smackledorfer: fusillade762: How does gerrymandering affect a statewide office race?

It might reduce turnout in some cases by the disenfranchised party.  Not that they shouldn't turnout for governor, but if you were going to show up to vote on something else on the ballot and your opinion is worth little on those issues you would have less incentive, or a perception thereof, to vote than someone on the other side?


"Gerrymandering" is drawing borders with the aim of manipulating the voting population in representative districts so one party dominates the final count of elected representatives. This is a straight-up popular vote. No gerrymandering is possible.

Voter caging, voter intimidation, putting roadblocks in front of certain voter demographics, any of those could be said of this situation.

Gerrymandering isn't one of them.
 
2013-11-06 03:12:26 AM  

StopLurkListen: Smackledorfer: fusillade762: How does gerrymandering affect a statewide office race?

It might reduce turnout in some cases by the disenfranchised party.  Not that they shouldn't turnout for governor, but if you were going to show up to vote on something else on the ballot and your opinion is worth little on those issues you would have less incentive, or a perception thereof, to vote than someone on the other side?

"Gerrymandering" is drawing borders with the aim of manipulating the voting population in representative districts so one party dominates the final count of elected representatives. This is a straight-up popular vote. No gerrymandering is possible.

Voter caging, voter intimidation, putting roadblocks in front of certain voter demographics, any of those could be said of this situation.

Gerrymandering isn't one of them.


Did you quote me with the express intention of speaking right past me, or did it just work out that way?
 
2013-11-06 03:13:33 AM  

sendtodave: homelessdude: Delay: From another article on the election:
A majority of white voters - 56 percent - favored Cuccinelli in the race, but their percentage of the electorate was down (72 percent in 2013 compared to 78 percent in 2009), while the percentage of black voters - who vote overwhelmingly Democratic - increased (20 percent in 2013 compared to 16 percent in 2009).
Makes more sense than the linked article. Democrats supported McAuliffe. Their numbers increased. Republicans supported Cuccinelli. Their numbers decreased. Demographics.

Interesting numbers. I have to wonder if this is the beginning of the failure of gerrymandering. Looking at the map, one might think Cuccinelli was safe. But it did not pan out that way.

It was a close race (and the Dem was not the best candidate), but it may have been won on the strength of population trends as Dems continue to move and aggregate in urban areas. Districts can only be cut up so much. Certainly, there are enough suppression efforts still ongoing to ensure GOP victories in a large number of areas, but that number is shrinking.

The GOP either needs to really embrace change (as opposed to Reince Priebus Lip Service Sound Bites™) or be relegated to the dustbin of political history. With each election cycle it gets more perilous for conservatives. There won't be a collapse tomorrow or next year or the next, but it appears that a constant erosion of the GOP base is real and tangible.


Sayonara Mo-GOP-Fos. 'twas nice knowing ya.

Ummm, wait.....no it wasn't

Yeah, VA really is about half half.

I guess NOVA and VA beach can keep growing?

Anyway, the urban / rural divide here really feels like a microcosm of the US as a whole. Very big ideological differences.

Again, Nate Silver: First, there are extremely few swing districts - only one-half to one-third as many as when the last government shutdown occurred in 1996. Some of this is because of partisan gerrymandering, but more of it is because of increasingly sharp id ...


The true absurdity is evident when you look at the House of Delegates races.  There are 100 seats, all of which were up for bids... 33 of the districts didn't even have a Democrat in the race.  23 more races didn't have a Republican.

Of the 44 races which had candidates from each major party, 28 were blowouts with >10 points between the candidates.  24 of those were >15 points, 18 of them were >20 points, 12 were >25 points, 9 were > 30 points, 6 were >35 points, 4 were >40 points.

Two of them were truly farking ridiculous.  The 95 District has a 53.5 point spread (76.51% to 23.26%) and the 71st District has a 75.8 point spread (87.72% to 11.88%).

The Democrats only ran 67 candidates, but they pulled 42.8% of the votes for House districts... and yet they only got 33 of 100 seats.  Tell me the state's districts don't need to be radically unfarked, and I'll show you a liar.
 
2013-11-06 03:14:41 AM  

fusillade762: How does gerrymandering effect a statewide office race?


Yeah....I think I got a little ahead of myself on that one.

Well, not in the sense that there is a direct affect to the state outcomes, but the constant push on a federal level to tweak out seats with backhanded tactics is coming back to haunt the GOP of that state. Gerrymandering is an underhanded tactic that both Dems and Cons are guilty of (I live in the Chicago area and boy do I see it in action here on the Dem side). At a certain point, people get tired of the constant BS games that so often are part of the gerry process. The sum result is that the state reps cease to be trusted. And for that reason, the edge they had is dulled. Even here in Chicago, it is still a Dem machine dominance, but there are real cracks happening. In VA though, the cracks are much wider.

It is not a perfect one-to-one, cause and effect thing. Its more of a cumulative uneasiness from years of underhanded politics. And again....the blame can go both ways. Its just that the current population trends in VA, along with a large degree of GOP hubris that it does not bode well for conservatives. Something has to give sooner or later and the GOP is running on fumes. They talk and talk about inclusion but their actions say something else.

i.imgur.com (pops)

The world is not getting whiter and a white majority is a key element of GOP political dominance. Either they learn to accept people or off to the dustbin they go.

Virginia case highlights need to stop gerrymandering by GOP, Democrats alike
WaPo | 01/26/13
 
2013-11-06 03:34:12 AM  
I read the comments.

When the D's win it had to be the dead voters, and cheating.

When the R's win - the people have spoken.

Reality has a way of penetrating the echo chamber in a most cruel manner.
 
2013-11-06 03:39:08 AM  
And I will add (even as a pinko commie liberal myself), even I recognize that conservatives can still win elections. The problem seems to be, if just on a simple level, that Cons don't want change the name of the He Man Hate The Non Whitey Club to something that reflects the reality the makeup of the population.

Cons need to get over themselves. It ain't 1950 anymore. Heck, even Fonzie traded in his motorcycle for a reverse mortgage salesman gig. If a not-so-hot-candidate like McAuliffe can dump a sitting governor, that speaks volumes.

The writing is on the wall with the current playbook and that writing says Game over...game freaking over. Maybe not today, but the clock is ticking down with the current arrangement.

Oh well...such is life......they had a nice run. Time to move on.

i.imgur.com
let them die
 
2013-11-06 03:44:06 AM  

fusillade762: Delay: From another article on the election:

A majority of white voters - 56 percent - favored Cuccinelli in the race, but their percentage of the electorate was down (72 percent in 2013 compared to 78 percent in 2009), while the percentage of black voters - who vote overwhelmingly Democratic - increased (20 percent in 2013 compared to 16 percent in 2009).

Makes more sense than the linked article. Democrats supported McAuliffe. Their numbers increased. Republicans supported Cuccinelli. Their numbers decreased. Demographics.

And it's only going to get worse for the GOP. No wonder they're trying to make voting harder for minorities.


The Democratic platform helps the majority of minorities, some white voters think that's bad. The fact is the Democratic platform helps the majority of white voters too, so the Republicans can't win on issues.

This election had a long-time fund-raiser, political insider who didn't excite folks. He almost never gave an interview. And it had a guy who hates Obamacare as much as he hates some types of sex and who is very white.

Meanwhile, the GOP is spinning Obamacare as a Democratic program that takes healthcare away from people the who had insurance plans (whites) to provide healthcare to the previously uninsured (minorities). Cuccinelli got close because of white fear. If political gifts had not been an issue, he might have won.
 
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