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(io9)   Eight things Marvel got wrong about Thor and Norse mythology   (io9.com) divider line 165
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2013-11-06 10:46:08 AM  
For the most part it's less - "Got wrong" than "changed to fit the narrative they wanted and/or keep from violating the comics code"
 
2013-11-06 10:59:05 AM  

fusillade762: miss diminutive: Do they plan to explain how he can catch a massive hammer travelling at ridiculous speeds without having to absorb the impact? Because I'm not seeing that travesty unless they do.

/it's a farking movie

And if the hammer is so heavy why didn't it fall through the floor when he dropped it on the helicarrier in The Avengers?


While the hammer is heavy (some say about 200 pounds), the reason most people can't lift it is due to an enchantment placed by Odin that prevents "unworthy" people from lifting it.
 
2013-11-06 11:02:41 AM  
Norse Mythology is pretty dull compared to other cultures. A chariot pulled by goats?
 
2013-11-06 11:06:08 AM  
I bet the person who wrote TFA doesn't even know that Volstagg the Voluminous (who is far too small in the movie, and who should have been played by BRIAN BLESSED) was based on the Shakespearean character Falstaff, either.
 
2013-11-06 11:07:42 AM  

DMZ DEATH: bdub77: Another fun advertisement masquerading as an article whose sole purpose is to generate hype for a movie coming out in 3 days.

I like Rob Bricken. He used to write for Topless Robot. I don't mind when he writes blogs like this, I thought it was an interesting read. His stuff usually is. When he used to do Fan Fiction Fridays on TR, his commentary would have me in tears.


I used to love reading TR when Bricken was running the show, but now that Luke Thompson took over, it completely blows. They don't even do FFF anymore.
 
2013-11-06 11:18:51 AM  

DMZ DEATH: bdub77: Another fun advertisement masquerading as an article whose sole purpose is to generate hype for a movie coming out in 3 days.

I like Rob Bricken. He used to write for Topless Robot. I don't mind when he writes blogs like this, I thought it was an interesting read. His stuff usually is. When he used to do Fan Fiction Fridays on TR, his commentary would have me in tears.


I'd forgotten about Fan Fiction Fridays.  Thanks.  That should kill some time here at work.
 
2013-11-06 11:44:03 AM  

God Is My Co-Pirate: I will say, if they include the time Thor lost his hammer, and had to dress up as a bride to win it back, while Loki came dressed as a bridesmaid, I would see that movie.


Hell, yes. There's some divine slapstick for you.
 
2013-11-06 11:45:09 AM  

ZeroCorpse: I bet the person who wrote TFA doesn't even know that Volstagg the Voluminous (who is far too small in the movie, and who should have been played by BRIAN BLESSED) was based on the Shakespearean character Falstaff, either.


Okay folks do we want Brian Blessed as Odin or Volstagg? He can't be both.
 
mhd
2013-11-06 11:48:37 AM  

verbaltoxin: Okay folks do we want Brian Blessed as Odin or Volstagg? He can't be both.


Just put some prosthetics on Maurice LaMarche.
 
2013-11-06 11:57:18 AM  

Dingleberry Dickwad: Evil Mackerel: That is not really Thor, it's just a hologram.
[2urbietorbi.files.wordpress.com image 481x554]
Approves.


Finally, the *real* Thor makes an appearance.  Shame about blowing up their homeworld, but he sure went out like a boss.

/Hallowed are the Ori.
 
2013-11-06 12:15:53 PM  

Spaced Lion: Felgraf: Too bad they never made a sequel.

Squeenix didn't (because apparently they hate money for some reason), but the fans did.


So I have heard! I admit I was more poking fun at how Chrono Cross was... yeaaaaaaahhhh.....


Corvus: Aquapope: When the "Hercules" TV show was on, a friend of mine got pissed at something and said "Nuh uh, that's not the way it really happened."  I still give him shiat for that 15 years later.

How can you make something up about something that's made up and be incorrect?

I have a friend who once said D&D was inaccurate because they didn't have studded leather. I was like dude this is a made up place with wizards and dragons WTF?


Well, to be fair, it is possible to have a made up place that still does not make entire sense.
 
2013-11-06 12:18:48 PM  

mhd: Corvus: I have a friend who once said D&D was inaccurate because they didn't have studded leather.

And "plate mail".

/But strangely enough made a huge deal about distinguishing between a fauchard and a glaive


still hear that term and get frisbee/ufo imagery in my head.
/not saying it's aliens, but it's thac0 is 2
 
2013-11-06 12:20:56 PM  
*its

/back to the catnap.
 
2013-11-06 12:39:36 PM  

Jim_Callahan: Doc Batarang: Wonder Woman is weird though. As a pop culture figure, she's as good as the Easter Bunny or Sherlock Holmes. As an actual comic, it sucks out loud. She's better as one of the mains in the JLA and that's all.

She's also kind of the annoying distaff counterpart type of hero, effectively just "chick Superman" in like 90% of the storylines.

If they want a female JLA member for a movie, I vote Zatanna.  Her shtick is entertaining with the talking backward and the stage magic stuff, she's got a relatively clear origin story that's both comprehensible and reasonably relatable, and she actually wears a bloody shirt (occasionally even pants!).  Plus, her villains are basically "everyone else that uses magic in the DC universe, including the heroes" and she actually makes mistakes and has to fix them, so the plot could possibly not suck to boot.


Zatanna is my vote too. She is also really cheap from a production stand point because all the spells are editing tricks instead of cgi. Like black widow and hawk eye were for the avengers, because they were all prop and costumes.
 
2013-11-06 12:45:43 PM  

Facetious_Speciest: Space Station Wagon

Also the biggest one the article missed is "Mjolnir" the name of the hammer is totally made up.

Do you mean "made up" in the sense that the source material was just made up? Because it's totes in there.

"En hamarrinn Mjöllnir kom í mitt höfuð Hrungni ok lamði hausinn í smán mola, ok fell hann fram yfir Þór, svá at fótr hans lá of háls Þór." - Skáldskaparmál


I stand corrected.
I could have sworn I watched a documentary with Stan Lee and him stating that he made up the name of the hammer. (wouldn't be the first time he took undue credit).
 
2013-11-06 12:51:20 PM  

Felgraf: Spaced Lion: Felgraf: Too bad they never made a sequel.

Squeenix didn't (because apparently they hate money for some reason), but the fans did.

So I have heard! I admit I was more poking fun at how Chrono Cross was... yeaaaaaaahhhh.....


Corvus: Aquapope: When the "Hercules" TV show was on, a friend of mine got pissed at something and said "Nuh uh, that's not the way it really happened."  I still give him shiat for that 15 years later.

How can you make something up about something that's made up and be incorrect?

I have a friend who once said D&D was inaccurate because they didn't have studded leather. I was like dude this is a made up place with wizards and dragons WTF?

Well, to be fair, it is possible to have a made up place that still does not make entire sense.


One piece of writing advice I been given is "Your job is to make the unreal real, not the real unreal."

verbaltoxin: Okay folks do we want Brian Blessed as Odin or Volstagg? He can't be both.


Why not?
 
2013-11-06 12:52:56 PM  
cynicalminion:

img.fark.net

Speak for yourself.
 
2013-11-06 12:58:34 PM  

miss diminutive: Do they plan to explain how he can catch a massive hammer travelling at ridiculous speeds without having to absorb the impact? Because I'm not seeing that travesty unless they do.

/it's a farking movie


Short Answer: Inertial Dampeners

Long Answer: For years now Marvel has been attempting to "re-explain" Magic and Cosmic Events as a form of Super-Science so advanced that it (sometimes deliberately) appears as magical to less developed cultures.  They've applied that policy in varying degrees to the regular Marvel Comics, Ultimates, Movie/TV and other/alternate Universes.

Looked at that way, it could explain how a lot of things fit together and can be explained in Marvel Storylines and how people like Tony Stark (for instance) can build a suit of iron man armor from the same metal as Thor's Hammer and actually make it usable.

I'm cutting my reply here because I would otherwise completely nerd out on explaining what Mjolnir is made from and how it could work, if looked at from a modern sci-fi framework.
 
2013-11-06 01:07:36 PM  
When do we get to see his boat?

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-11-06 01:09:42 PM  

Aquapope: When the "Hercules" TV show was on, a friend of mine got pissed at something and said "Nuh uh, that's not the way it really happened."  I still give him shiat for that 15 years later.

How can you make something up about something that's made up and be incorrect?


So Jesus did ride dinosaurs?
 
2013-11-06 01:10:49 PM  

Aquapope: When the "Hercules" TV show was on, a friend of mine got pissed at something and said "Nuh uh, that's not the way it really happened."  I still give him shiat for that 15 years later.

How can you make something up about something that's made up and be incorrect?


Nice. I tried the "I'm learning about mythology!" tack to watch the show when I was a kid. Of course the only reasons I wanted to watch it were for the (terrible, but at the time all we had) CG monsters and (not great, but at the time all we had) cleavage.
 
2013-11-06 01:12:10 PM  

verbaltoxin: ZeroCorpse: I bet the person who wrote TFA doesn't even know that Volstagg the Voluminous (who is far too small in the movie, and who should have been played by BRIAN BLESSED) was based on the Shakespearean character Falstaff, either.

Okay folks do we want Brian Blessed as Odin or Volstagg? He can't be both.


YES HE CAN! HE CAN BE ALL THE CHARACTERS, AND THEN shiat ATOP A GREAT MOUNTAIN!
 
2013-11-06 01:29:55 PM  

Seequinn: miss diminutive: Do they plan to explain how he can catch a massive hammer travelling at ridiculous speeds without having to absorb the impact? Because I'm not seeing that travesty unless they do.

/it's a farking movie

Short Answer: Inertial Dampeners

Long Answer: For years now Marvel has been attempting to "re-explain" Magic and Cosmic Events as a form of Super-Science so advanced that it (sometimes deliberately) appears as magical to less developed cultures.  They've applied that policy in varying degrees to the regular Marvel Comics, Ultimates, Movie/TV and other/alternate Universes.

Looked at that way, it could explain how a lot of things fit together and can be explained in Marvel Storylines and how people like Tony Stark (for instance) can build a suit of iron man armor from the same metal as Thor's Hammer and actually make it usable.

I'm cutting my reply here because I would otherwise completely nerd out on explaining what Mjolnir is made from and how it could work, if looked at from a modern sci-fi framework.


Is it Vibranium?
 
2013-11-06 01:35:40 PM  

simplicimus: Seequinn: miss diminutive: Do they plan to explain how he can catch a massive hammer travelling at ridiculous speeds without having to absorb the impact? Because I'm not seeing that travesty unless they do.

/it's a farking movie

Short Answer: Inertial Dampeners

Long Answer: For years now Marvel has been attempting to "re-explain" Magic and Cosmic Events as a form of Super-Science so advanced that it (sometimes deliberately) appears as magical to less developed cultures.  They've applied that policy in varying degrees to the regular Marvel Comics, Ultimates, Movie/TV and other/alternate Universes.

Looked at that way, it could explain how a lot of things fit together and can be explained in Marvel Storylines and how people like Tony Stark (for instance) can build a suit of iron man armor from the same metal as Thor's Hammer and actually make it usable.

I'm cutting my reply here because I would otherwise completely nerd out on explaining what Mjolnir is made from and how it could work, if looked at from a modern sci-fi framework.

Is it Vibranium?


URU METAL.
 
2013-11-06 01:54:43 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: A movie, made from a comic book... and they got some mythical, imaginary thing wrong?

/WTF is wrong with you people?


Actually, they are pointing to the things the comic book got wrong in the first place, so there's that...

As for the list, I think they've been doing a good job with Loki, actually. he's not evil here as much as self-centered, and can be persuaded to help out when needed. He may be a dick, but he's Asgard's dick, and that's what really matters...
 
2013-11-06 02:02:36 PM  

robohobo: [simplywallpaper.net image 850x486]


If they can make Jesus white, we can make Heimdall black.
 
2013-11-06 02:41:16 PM  

Bloody William: URU METAL


So Captain America's shield is made from Uru? I thought it was a vibranium/adamantium alloy.
 
2013-11-06 02:44:23 PM  
Captain America's shield is made from vibranium/proto-adamantium, and uru is an Asgardian/dvergar metal Thor's hammer is made from.
 
2013-11-06 02:46:53 PM  

Slaxl: Smoking GNU: MaudlinMutantMollusk: A movie, made from a comic book... and they got some mythical, imaginary thing wrong?

/WTF is wrong with you people?

Precisely what i was thinking.

A lot of you seem to be under the misapprehension that the original stories are fake. You are of course all wrong, as you will discover when the wolf shakes free of its chains and swallows the sun.


Jesus promised the end of wicked people. Thor promised the end of frost giants. I haven't seen any frost giants for a while.
 
2013-11-06 02:55:34 PM  

Facetious_Speciest: Captain America's shield is made from vibranium/proto-adamantium, and uru is an Asgardian/dvergar metal Thor's hammer is made from.


Not according to Marvel's database:  http://marvel.wikia.com/Uru

But I have the same understanding you have. Maybe he got a new shield.
 
2013-11-06 02:58:54 PM  

cynicalminion: mhd: Corvus: I have a friend who once said D&D was inaccurate because they didn't have studded leather.

And "plate mail".

/But strangely enough made a huge deal about distinguishing between a fauchard and a glaive

still hear that term and get frisbee/ufo imagery in my head.
/not saying it's aliens, but it's thac0 is 2


*blows whistle, throws flag*

The Armor Class of AD&D plate mail is 3.  You, sir, are either mistaking plate mail for field plate (which was not in the original edition of AD&D, prior to being introduced in Dragon magazine and then officially canonized in Unearthed Arcana), or including the defensive bonus conferred by a shield (the ubiquitous "sword and board" setup).

IIRC, studded leather was in AD&D (but not in the original D&D).  It was AC 7, a bit better than standard leather armor (AC 8).
 
2013-11-06 02:59:05 PM  
If you look up the shield on the same wiki, it says it's vibranium/adamantium.

farking Marvel (non) continuity.
 
2013-11-06 03:06:46 PM  

Facetious_Speciest: If you look up the shield on the same wiki, it says it's vibranium/adamantium.

farking Marvel (non) continuity.


Actually if you read further down for the entry on his shield, just before the "Surviving into the future" that wiki says that Stark rebuilt the shield out of Uru at some point.
 
2013-11-06 03:11:11 PM  

Dingleberry Dickwad: Facetious_Speciest: If you look up the shield on the same wiki, it says it's vibranium/adamantium.

farking Marvel (non) continuity.

Actually if you read further down for the entry on his shield, just before the "Surviving into the future" that wiki says that Stark rebuilt the shield out of Uru at some point.


I suppose it would have helped if I had actually put a link in there.
 
2013-11-06 03:11:28 PM  
And it's pronouced "Tor"...not Thor. Lilke I tore my pants, not my legs are so sore.
 
2013-11-06 03:12:01 PM  
Oh, lawd.

Iron Man and some dwarves made a shield of uru for Captain America. I stand corrected.
 
2013-11-06 03:14:00 PM  
indarwinsshadow

And it's pronouced "Tor"...not Thor.

Actually, it's a "th" in Western Germanic dialects.
 
2013-11-06 03:15:43 PM  

Facetious_Speciest: Oh, lawd.

Iron Man and some dwarves made a shield of uru for Captain America. I stand corrected.


Yeah, stuff like that is one of the reasons I don't bother with comics anymore. It's gotten so ridiculously difficult to keep track of who is doing what to who, when and in what timeline in whichever alternate universe that I just gave up. That's what Wiki is for nowadays.
 
2013-11-06 04:11:00 PM  

Dingleberry Dickwad: Facetious_Speciest: Oh, lawd.

Iron Man and some dwarves made a shield of uru for Captain America. I stand corrected.

Yeah, stuff like that is one of the reasons I don't bother with comics anymore. It's gotten so ridiculously difficult to keep track of who is doing what to who, when and in what timeline in whichever alternate universe that I just gave up. That's what Wiki is for nowadays.


Does it really matter what it's made out of? The important thing is that it's indestructible. The details don't matter
 
2013-11-06 04:20:03 PM  
 
mhd
2013-11-06 04:33:58 PM  

Seequinn: For years now Marvel has been attempting to "re-explain" Magic and Cosmic Events as a form of Super-Science so advanced that it (sometimes deliberately) appears as magical to less developed cultures.


Really? Not too long ago a few pantheons were going banding together to beat up the Skrull gods, no super-science there. The movies seem to go far beyond the call of duty here, probably to appease the Christian wingnuts.

Can't speak for the Ultimates stuff, I stopped wallowing in Millars midden after vol. 1.
 
2013-11-06 04:39:21 PM  

SuperChuck: Dingleberry Dickwad: Facetious_Speciest: Oh, lawd.

Iron Man and some dwarves made a shield of uru for Captain America. I stand corrected.

Yeah, stuff like that is one of the reasons I don't bother with comics anymore. It's gotten so ridiculously difficult to keep track of who is doing what to who, when and in what timeline in whichever alternate universe that I just gave up. That's what Wiki is for nowadays.

Does it really matter what it's made out of? The important thing is that it's indestructible. The details don't matter


It does matter when it is used as a plot device itself.  I think the Uru based shield was used as part of the Siege story arc, in which Asgard "invaded" Earth and the Avengers had to upgrade their equipment to be able to help Thor out.   I know that Stark had to return the Uru based Iron Man suit as a condition of being allowed to use it to help out in that situation.   I'll have to check if the same was true for Cap.

The shield was shattered at least once in my recollection (During the original Secret Wars) and remade; both events as an expression that the forces the heroes in that story we dealing with were that far beyond their super-heroing experience that even "indestructible" objects can become fair game at times.
 
2013-11-06 04:39:25 PM  

SuperChuck: Dingleberry Dickwad: Facetious_Speciest: Oh, lawd.

Iron Man and some dwarves made a shield of uru for Captain America. I stand corrected.

Yeah, stuff like that is one of the reasons I don't bother with comics anymore. It's gotten so ridiculously difficult to keep track of who is doing what to who, when and in what timeline in whichever alternate universe that I just gave up. That's what Wiki is for nowadays.

Does it really matter what it's made out of? The important thing is that it's indestructible. The details don't matter


Its all indestructible until it isn't according to plot.
That's why they have  vibranium, admantium, uru, "Unobtainium".

But when all is said and done itsn't that the fun of comic storys, that you can let your imagination go.
 
2013-11-06 04:44:17 PM  

Bloody William: verbaltoxin: ZeroCorpse: I bet the person who wrote TFA doesn't even know that Volstagg the Voluminous (who is far too small in the movie, and who should have been played by BRIAN BLESSED) was based on the Shakespearean character Falstaff, either.

Okay folks do we want  BRIAN BLESSED! as Odin or Volstagg? He can't be both.

YES HE CAN! HE CAN BE ALL THE CHARACTERS, AND THEN shiat ATOP A GREAT MOUNTAIN!


FTFY

He's the voice of Zeus in a pinball game downloaded on my DSi, and it's awesome to hear.  He ought to play as many gods as possible!
 
2013-11-06 04:46:06 PM  

Space Station Wagon: SuperChuck: Dingleberry Dickwad: Facetious_Speciest: Oh, lawd.

Iron Man and some dwarves made a shield of uru for Captain America. I stand corrected.

Yeah, stuff like that is one of the reasons I don't bother with comics anymore. It's gotten so ridiculously difficult to keep track of who is doing what to who, when and in what timeline in whichever alternate universe that I just gave up. That's what Wiki is for nowadays.

Does it really matter what it's made out of? The important thing is that it's indestructible. The details don't matter

Its all indestructible until it isn't according to plot.
That's why they have  vibranium, admantium, uru, "Unobtainium".

But when all is said and done itsn't that the fun of comic storys, that you can let your imagination go.


That was sort of my point. It's indestructible because <whatever the comic equivalent of technobabble is>. And then it breaks because of other reasons. And then it's fixed. Or a new one is made. The exact details don't matter as long as it sounds cool.
 
2013-11-06 04:53:00 PM  

SuperChuck: Space Station Wagon: SuperChuck: Dingleberry Dickwad: Facetious_Speciest: Oh, lawd.

Iron Man and some dwarves made a shield of uru for Captain America. I stand corrected.

Yeah, stuff like that is one of the reasons I don't bother with comics anymore. It's gotten so ridiculously difficult to keep track of who is doing what to who, when and in what timeline in whichever alternate universe that I just gave up. That's what Wiki is for nowadays.

Does it really matter what it's made out of? The important thing is that it's indestructible. The details don't matter

Its all indestructible until it isn't according to plot.
That's why they have  vibranium, admantium, uru, "Unobtainium".

But when all is said and done itsn't that the fun of comic storys, that you can let your imagination go.

That was sort of my point. It's indestructible because <whatever the comic equivalent of technobabble is>. And then it breaks because of other reasons. And then it's fixed. Or a new one is made. The exact details don't matter as long as it sounds cool.


I am and was in agreement. :)
 
2013-11-06 04:58:33 PM  

Dingleberry Dickwad: Evil Mackerel: That is not really Thor, it's just a hologram.
[2urbietorbi.files.wordpress.com image 481x554]
Approves.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-11-06 05:17:47 PM  

i1089.photobucket.com

 
2013-11-06 05:41:54 PM  
There is one thing Marvel (or at least Jaimie Alexander) got RIGHT about Thor.  The premiere attire:

i.dailymail.co.uk
 
2013-11-06 08:56:52 PM  
Loki was the original red-headed stepchild.
 
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