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2013-11-06 08:56:52 PM
Loki was the original red-headed stepchild.
 
2013-11-06 11:47:24 PM
gerrymander:
Behold! The whitest of the gods!

That 'whitest of the gods' nonsense was added to Wikipedia by butthurt white supremacists
 
2013-11-07 12:03:23 AM

steve_lou: gerrymander:
Behold! The whitest of the gods!

That 'whitest of the gods' nonsense was added to Wikipedia by butthurt white supremacists


If so, it's nonsense added prior to 1988, when I read that translation.
 
2013-11-07 02:35:29 AM

Cheese eating surrender monkey: Write article about how Marvel got Norse mythology wrong

Spells Ragnarök ragnorak.


I am SO glad I'm not the only one that caught that. I involuntarily recoiled when I read that...
 
2013-11-07 07:07:04 AM
steve_lou

That 'whitest of the gods' nonsense was added to Wikipedia by butthurt white supremacists

It gets worse...they then used their time machine to go back and add it to the Þrymskviða!

"Þá kvað þat Heimdallr, hvítastr ása..."
 
2013-11-07 10:56:12 AM

simplicimus: Bloody William: URU METAL

So Captain America's shield is made from Uru? I thought it was a vibranium/adamantium alloy.


Cap's shield is Vibranium / Proto-Adamantium from the beginning but since Fear Itself happened. The God Fear (Odin's long lost brother) broke the shield and Tony, along with the Dwarves, reforged it and added Uru Metal to the crack. It now bares a scar where it was broken but is now stronger then it was before.
 
2013-11-07 11:00:06 AM

Facetious_Speciest: darwin


No. It's not. German is my second language. I sprechen sie deutsch. It's Tor.
 
2013-11-07 11:07:39 AM

steve_lou: gerrymander:
Behold! The whitest of the gods!

That 'whitest of the gods' nonsense was added to Wikipedia by butthurt white supremacists


You're wrong.
 
2013-11-07 11:07:39 AM
indarwinsshadow

No. It's not. German is my second language. I sprechen sie deutsch. It's Tor.

Actually, wouldn't it be Donar or some variation thereof? As in Donnerstag? Not trying to correct your German, but I'm unfamiliar with a dialect that calls it Torstag (which means little, since my German is rather Pfälzisch).

Also, look at other West Germanic languages. You're speaking one: is it THursday or Torsday? Is Thundersley in Essex pronounced with a hard T sound? Is the English form of the Thurisaz rune not Thorn?
 
2013-11-07 11:16:39 AM

Facetious_Speciest: Also, look at other West Germanic languages. You're speaking one: is it THursday or Torsday? Is Thundersley in Essex pronounced with a hard T sound? Is the English form of the Thurisaz rune not Thorn?


For what it's worth I have worked with Swedish people who pronounce it "Tor".
 
2013-11-07 11:17:29 AM
Slaxl

For what it's worth I have worked with Swedish people who pronounce it "Tor".

Swedish is a Northern (as opposed to Western) Germanic language.
 
2013-11-07 12:37:21 PM
I could have sworn there was something on Fark a while back, around when the first Thor movie was released, about white supremacists and Heimdall. It doesn't help that searches turn up a lot of racist websites
 
2013-11-07 12:44:38 PM
steve_lou

You're not wrong about that part. They were highly incensed. But it was because Heimdall is described as "whitest of gods" that they were extra mad. The description's a real thing from back in the day.

Personally, not a single fark given over here. Idris Elba, though underutilised in the film, has some gravitas when he wants to. He's a good actor. And if one really wanted to get all technical about it, his (Heimdall's) parentage isn't exactly explicitly spelled out. He's a god, but born of nine mothers...waves of the sea, giants, who the fark really knows. He could be blue like Krishna for all it matters.
 
2013-11-07 12:52:13 PM
I was one of those opposed to a black Heimdall, not for racist reasons, but because he should be white... okay that sounds racist, but he's a white god, why make him black? The BBC did a Henry V recently and the Archbishop of York was played by a black guy. I didn't see why. The source material is there, use it, be accurate, I wouldn't cast a white person to play Shaka Zulu... Actually I might after what a great job Kingsley did for Gandhi.

However after seeing Thor I ate my words. I did think Heimdall was awesome, sometimes changing things can work. He was a great character. Not so much for the Archbishop of York in Henry V though.
 
2013-11-07 01:07:38 PM

Slaves2Darkness: Aquapope: When the "Hercules" TV show was on, a friend of mine got pissed at something and said "Nuh uh, that's not the way it really happened."  I still give him shiat for that 15 years later.

How can you make something up about something that's made up and be incorrect?

Jesus really?

Because what has been written before is cannon and your cheap copy is wrong. Now it might be entertainingly wrong, as the case of Marvel's Thor, but don't use it a source to write your 8th grade paper on Norse Mythos or you will fail.


At one time a guy made up a story about a guy named Odin.  Then later a different guy added a missing eye and a big tree.  Later another guy made Odin into a god.  And later another guy made him the Father of gods, and then later another guy adder a son named Thor.  And later another guy had Thor work with a guy named Stark.  Which one of those is the correct one, and which ones are made up?
 
2013-11-07 01:19:54 PM
Aquapope

Which one of those is the correct one, and which ones are made up?

I'll have a go.

At one time a guy made up a story about a guy named Odin.

Obviously false. "Odin" is linguistically descended from the Proto-Germanic "Wodanaz" or something similar, so no, no one made up a story about a guy named Odin as a basis for what would later become a religion.

Then later a different guy added a missing eye and a big tree.

Obviously false. The Proto-Indo-European motif of the worldtree predates anyone saying "Odin" by some thousands of years. Similarly, the parallels between the Germanic Wodanaz figure and the Celtic Lugus demonstrate either extensive contact/borrowing or pre-separation tradition...in either case, it existed before "Odin" was a thing.

Later another guy made Odin into a god.

Obviously false. Wodanaz was a divine figure before "Odin" was a thing.

And later another guy made him the Father of gods, and then later another guy adder a son named Thor.

Iffy. Assuming you mean "people" by "guy," it's true that the Wodanaz figure wasn't originally "father of the gods," but assumed such stature during the Völkerwanderung period, religiously tied to the concept of said deity sharing his knowledge of runes with man. Prior to this, the "father of the gods" was (literally, rather than the later figuratively) Tiwaz, reflections of which one sees in Tyr, Tiw, Zeus, Dyeus Pater, Dyaus Pitar, etc.

And later another guy had Thor work with a guy named Stark.

Yeah, that's obviously made up.
 
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