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(io9)   Eight things Marvel got wrong about Thor and Norse mythology   ( io9.com) divider line
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2013-11-05 11:55:06 PM  
Another fun advertisement masquerading as an article whose sole purpose is to generate hype for a movie coming out in 3 days.
 
2013-11-06 12:10:21 AM  
You mean Dark Elves didn't have plasma cannons?
 
2013-11-06 12:23:39 AM  
Just eight?

bdub77: Another fun advertisement masquerading as an article whose sole purpose is to generate hype for a movie coming out in 3 days.


Also, this.
 
2013-11-06 12:28:18 AM  
In fairness, I think that maybe Gaiman had a better handle the Norse, and Gods in general, when he rolled out American Gods. THAT Odin was a bit more in keeping with the whole the spirit of the mythology...

DC tends to do better with gods in general with their adult imprints--their regular continuity, tends to be pap, but that's why they split them up. Marvel's "gods" tend to be barely even PG versions, but dang do they do the hitty stuff well...
 
2013-11-06 01:02:44 AM  
A movie, made from a comic book... and they got some mythical, imaginary thing wrong?

/WTF is wrong with you people?
 
2013-11-06 01:20:15 AM  
When the "Hercules" TV show was on, a friend of mine got pissed at something and said "Nuh uh, that's not the way it really happened."  I still give him shiat for that 15 years later.

How can you make something up about something that's made up and be incorrect?
 
2013-11-06 01:20:20 AM  
saxon woten is best woten

I'll be under my oak
 
2013-11-06 01:30:00 AM  
1) io9
2) Headline sounds like one of those "One weird trick" ads.

:Nope.

/also, it's a farking comic book-slash-movie, not a goddamned history lesson about some frightened goat-herders' imaginings from x-thousand years ago
 
2013-11-06 01:31:05 AM  
I, for one, refuse to see the movie if it isn't historically correct.
 
2013-11-06 01:33:28 AM  
TFA was wrong about Marvel creating Thor's three buddies. At least one of them is just Falstaff, who was created by Shakespeare.
 
2013-11-06 01:35:51 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: A movie, made from a comic book... and they got some mythical, imaginary thing wrong?

/WTF is wrong with you people?


Actually they seemed to be critiquing the comic versions, not the movies. Though I agree addressing inaccuracies of Norse mythology in the films would be silly since the films tend to make a hash of their primary source material themselves. It would be dividing by zero.
 
2013-11-06 01:40:26 AM  
Do they plan to explain how he can catch a massive hammer travelling at ridiculous speeds without having to absorb the impact? Because I'm not seeing that travesty unless they do.

/it's a farking movie
 
2013-11-06 01:41:42 AM  
Marvel's Asgard (featured in the comic book  Journey Into Mystery) was never meant to be a line-by-line retelling of Norse mythology. It's a superhero/high fantasy comic book.

And for the record, Marvel's Thor did have red hair and a beard for a while. He did have a relationship with Sif.

And the language thing was explained once during the history of the character that I can remember: Asgardian gods, being magical beings, appear to be speaking whatever language the mortal listened considers their own native tongue, but in a formal, old-fashioned dialect. Thus people who speak English hear the Shakespearan language, but people who are native Spanish-speakers are hearing Thor in proper Spanish, Russians hear proper Russian, Scandinavians hear something like their ancestors did when they told the tales of Thor and his ilk. But all along, the Asgardians are speaking Asgardian... Not English, Spanish, etc. It's just that Asgardian is a magical language spoken by beings of great power.

The same principal applies to Mephisto, Satan (not the same guy as Mephisto in Marvel lore), and most other demons, Celestials, and other higher beings. They speak their own language, but mortals hear  the language that is most familiar to them.
 
2013-11-06 01:47:15 AM  
Jeez, what does io9 think about Long Dark Teatime of the Soul?
 
2013-11-06 01:48:28 AM  
It's sort of a 'no shiat Sherlock' article.  But useful if you're not up on Norse mythology.
 
2013-11-06 01:49:17 AM  
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2013-11-06 01:51:25 AM  
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Thor never had his hammer stolen by a noble alien horse-monster.
 
2013-11-06 01:52:36 AM  
So someone got something wrong on something fake?
Isn't this like saying what Once Upon A Time got wrong for Disney characters?
 
2013-11-06 02:03:50 AM  

Aquapope: When the "Hercules" TV show was on, a friend of mine got pissed at something and said "Nuh uh, that's not the way it really happened."  I still give him shiat for that 15 years later.

How can you make something up about something that's made up and be incorrect?


The same way you can fark up a play by Shakespeare, or a story by Charles Dickens.

The moment you go from, I have a good play, or a good story, to, I have a good play by Shakespeare or a good story by Charles Dickens, certain expectations follows.

---

Though, they're doing Marvels Thor aren't they? So shouldn't this blatant ad be about how Marvel got stuff wrong? For all I know, the movie is close to Marvels Thor.
 
2013-11-06 02:04:07 AM  
I will say, if they include the time Thor lost his hammer, and had to dress up as a bride to win it back, while Loki came dressed as a bridesmaid, I would see that movie.
 
2013-11-06 02:05:59 AM  

Sgt Otter: [upload.wikimedia.org image 300x456]

Thor never had his hammer stolen by a noble alien horse-monster.


I think someone else linked to that guy's pic a while back.  And it reminds me of Sark from Galaxy Quest.
 
2013-11-06 02:14:04 AM  

Sgt Otter: [upload.wikimedia.org image 300x456]

Thor never had his hammer stolen by a noble alien horse-monster.


I'll see your Beta Ray Bill and raise you Throg.

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2013-11-06 02:18:51 AM  
I always thought Thor was utterly unfilmable. All the Kirby costumes, the Shakespeare lingo, most of the villains, the doofy secret identity, the boring love interests and the rainbow bridge would all make it highly improbable that any of it would translate enough for the wider audience to care.

I think we should all give Thor a round of applause, it actually all works.
 
2013-11-06 02:20:58 AM  
huh?

sad it ended.
 
2013-11-06 02:22:35 AM  
and i failed at pictures =)

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2013-11-06 02:23:35 AM  

Doc Batarang: I always thought Thor was utterly unfilmable. All the Kirby costumes, the Shakespeare lingo, most of the villains, the doofy secret identity, the boring love interests and the rainbow bridge would all make it highly improbable that any of it would translate enough for the wider audience to care.

I think we should all give Thor a round of applause, it actually all works.


Huddleston is the biggest draw in Asgard. There'll be a lot of him in Thor 2.
 
2013-11-06 02:25:22 AM  

Snapper Carr: I'll see your Beta Ray Bill and raise you Throg.


Isn't that just Glen from Chrono Trigger?
 
2013-11-06 02:26:34 AM  
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2013-11-06 02:28:39 AM  

Doc Batarang: I always thought Thor was utterly unfilmable. All the Kirby costumes, the Shakespeare lingo, most of the villains, the doofy secret identity, the boring love interests and the rainbow bridge would all make it highly improbable that any of it would translate enough for the wider audience to care.
I think we should all give Thor a round of applause, it actually all works.


Really, it is due to the success of Thor that Marvel is looking at all it's properties and going "Y'know, this could all work. Nothing is farfetched anymore." Hence why they're going for it all with Guardians of the Galaxy.

And which gave us this hilarious tweet:
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2013-11-06 02:33:08 AM  

Ishkur: Doc Batarang: I always thought Thor was utterly unfilmable. All the Kirby costumes, the Shakespeare lingo, most of the villains, the doofy secret identity, the boring love interests and the rainbow bridge would all make it highly improbable that any of it would translate enough for the wider audience to care.
I think we should all give Thor a round of applause, it actually all works.

Really, it is due to the success of Thor that Marvel is looking at all it's properties and going "Y'know, this could all work. Nothing is farfetched anymore." Hence why they're going for it all with Guardians of the Galaxy.

And which gave us this hilarious tweet:
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No matter what DC does with Wonder Woman, the coonts at Jezebel will have a problem with it.
 
2013-11-06 02:36:46 AM  

miss diminutive: Do they plan to explain how he can catch a massive hammer travelling at ridiculous speeds without having to absorb the impact? Because I'm not seeing that travesty unless they do.

/it's a farking movie


And if the hammer is so heavy why didn't it fall through the floor when he dropped it on the helicarrier in The Avengers?
 
2013-11-06 02:36:58 AM  

Aquapope: When the "Hercules" TV show was on, a friend of mine got pissed at something and said "Nuh uh, that's not the way it really happened."  I still give him shiat for that 15 years later.

How can you make something up about something that's made up and be incorrect?


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2013-11-06 02:40:47 AM  

fusillade762: miss diminutive: Do they plan to explain how he can catch a massive hammer travelling at ridiculous speeds without having to absorb the impact? Because I'm not seeing that travesty unless they do.

/it's a farking movie

And if the hammer is so heavy why didn't it fall through the floor when he dropped it on the helicarrier in The Avengers?


It isn't heavy. It's magic, designed to only be picked up a person the hammer considers worthy. It's been picked up by Cap, Superman, and Wonder Woman in the past.
 
2013-11-06 02:40:52 AM  
io9, you're not Cracked. Stop trying.
 
2013-11-06 02:42:12 AM  
scandalous. marvel has no future in accredited scholarly journals
 
2013-11-06 02:50:43 AM  

fusillade762: miss diminutive: Do they plan to explain how he can catch a massive hammer travelling at ridiculous speeds without having to absorb the impact? Because I'm not seeing that travesty unless they do.

/it's a farking movie

And if the hammer is so heavy why didn't it fall through the floor when he dropped it on the helicarrier in The Avengers?


It's not heavy, it actually never, ever moves. The magic of the hammer is that when a righteous person holds it, the universe moves around the hammer; not the other way around. If you're not righteous, you don't have the power to move the entire universe as you see fit.
 
2013-11-06 02:56:16 AM  

simplicimus: Doc Batarang: I always thought Thor was utterly unfilmable. All the Kirby costumes, the Shakespeare lingo, most of the villains, the doofy secret identity, the boring love interests and the rainbow bridge would all make it highly improbable that any of it would translate enough for the wider audience to care.

I think we should all give Thor a round of applause, it actually all works.

Huddleston is the biggest draw in Asgard. There'll be a lot of him in Thor 2.


Thor and Loki are walking XXX porn material.
 
2013-11-06 02:58:51 AM  

alice_600: simplicimus: Doc Batarang: I always thought Thor was utterly unfilmable. All the Kirby costumes, the Shakespeare lingo, most of the villains, the doofy secret identity, the boring love interests and the rainbow bridge would all make it highly improbable that any of it would translate enough for the wider audience to care.

I think we should all give Thor a round of applause, it actually all works.

Huddleston is the biggest draw in Asgard. There'll be a lot of him in Thor 2.

Thor and Loki are walking XXX porn material.


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2013-11-06 02:59:56 AM  

alice_600: simplicimus: Doc Batarang: I always thought Thor was utterly unfilmable. All the Kirby costumes, the Shakespeare lingo, most of the villains, the doofy secret identity, the boring love interests and the rainbow bridge would all make it highly improbable that any of it would translate enough for the wider audience to care.

I think we should all give Thor a round of applause, it actually all works.

Huddleston is the biggest draw in Asgard. There'll be a lot of him in Thor 2.

Thor and Loki are walking XXX porn material.


Plus Sif, if you include that dress she wore in the earlier thread.
 
2013-11-06 03:03:14 AM  

robohobo: Ishkur: Doc Batarang: I always thought Thor was utterly unfilmable. All the Kirby costumes, the Shakespeare lingo, most of the villains, the doofy secret identity, the boring love interests and the rainbow bridge would all make it highly improbable that any of it would translate enough for the wider audience to care.
I think we should all give Thor a round of applause, it actually all works.

Really, it is due to the success of Thor that Marvel is looking at all it's properties and going "Y'know, this could all work. Nothing is farfetched anymore." Hence why they're going for it all with Guardians of the Galaxy.

And which gave us this hilarious tweet:
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No matter what DC does with Wonder Woman, the coonts at Jezebel will have a problem with it.


And not a single f*ck will be given.

/I swear I once saw two sidebar articles one after the other about Keira Knightley being too skinny and Kate Upton being fat
 
2013-11-06 03:06:51 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: A movie, made from a comic book... and they got some mythical, imaginary thing wrong?

/WTF is wrong with you people?


As someone who is very into Norse mythology, I was very "blaaaaggghwahgarbl fark you" about Thor when it first came out. Then I realized it was fake stories based on fake stories and chilled out.

But the older fake stories are still way cooler than anything marvel has come up with.
 
mhd
2013-11-06 03:11:50 AM  
You mean this never happened?
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/Your blog sucks.
 
2013-11-06 03:27:48 AM  
The didn't "get it wrong" you jackasses, they wrote an unrelated story based on the premise that Norse mythology was a garbled historical account of the visitation of some ancient aliens.

This is like someone reading Paradise Lost and complaining that there are details and contradictions in it not compatible with the books of Genesis.  Albeit with fewer declamations and more awesome drawings of armored fisticuffs.
 
2013-11-06 03:28:33 AM  

Ishkur: Doc Batarang: I always thought Thor was utterly unfilmable. All the Kirby costumes, the Shakespeare lingo, most of the villains, the doofy secret identity, the boring love interests and the rainbow bridge would all make it highly improbable that any of it would translate enough for the wider audience to care.
I think we should all give Thor a round of applause, it actually all works.

Really, it is due to the success of Thor that Marvel is looking at all it's properties and going "Y'know, this could all work. Nothing is farfetched anymore." Hence why they're going for it all with Guardians of the Galaxy.

And which gave us this hilarious tweet:


I agree with somebody-or-other's analysis from a few years ago when they said that seeing as how nobody really gives a shiat about the guardians of the galaxy, geek or otherwise, it's the best thing that they could do because nobody has any expectations one way or another.

I (also) like space comics quite a bit, but I've never read any of it. I'll be getting into it at the same time everybody else is and I think that's fun.

Wonder Woman is weird though. As a pop culture figure, she's as good as the Easter Bunny or Sherlock Holmes. As an actual comic, it sucks out loud. She's better as one of the mains in the JLA and that's all.
 
2013-11-06 03:39:19 AM  
Write article about how Marvel got Norse mythology wrong

Spells Ragnarök ragnorak.
 
2013-11-06 03:59:45 AM  
Aww and they were trying SO hard to keep true to the original legends and myths too. They must be gutted.
 
2013-11-06 04:03:49 AM  

derpy: Jeez, what does io9 think about Long Dark Teatime of the Soul?


Thor's attempt at a good, righteously angry stomping foiled by the wafting scent of chamomile...
 
2013-11-06 04:09:56 AM  
Olaf frowns on your silly myths, they got it all wrong anyway.

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/Yes I know, already posted up thread.
//If you don't like it, Derrick says you can fark off!
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2013-11-06 04:16:46 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: A movie, made from a comic book... and they got some mythical, imaginary thing wrong?

/WTF is wrong with you people?


Precisely what i was thinking.
 
2013-11-06 04:26:11 AM  
These didn't happen either?

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2013-11-06 04:27:49 AM  

Doc Batarang: Wonder Woman is weird though. As a pop culture figure, she's as good as the Easter Bunny or Sherlock Holmes. As an actual comic, it sucks out loud. She's better as one of the mains in the JLA and that's all.


She's also kind of the annoying distaff counterpart type of hero, effectively just "chick Superman" in like 90% of the storylines.

If they want a female JLA member for a movie, I vote Zatanna.  Her shtick is entertaining with the talking backward and the stage magic stuff, she's got a relatively clear origin story that's both comprehensible and reasonably relatable, and she actually wears a bloody shirt (occasionally even pants!).  Plus, her villains are basically "everyone else that uses magic in the DC universe, including the heroes" and she actually makes mistakes and has to fix them, so the plot could possibly not suck to boot.
 
2013-11-06 05:04:57 AM  
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>>for jezebel

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>>for loki.
 
2013-11-06 05:18:52 AM  

Smoking GNU: MaudlinMutantMollusk: A movie, made from a comic book... and they got some mythical, imaginary thing wrong?

/WTF is wrong with you people?

Precisely what i was thinking.


A lot of you seem to be under the misapprehension that the original stories are fake. You are of course all wrong, as you will discover when the wolf shakes free of its chains and swallows the sun.
 
2013-11-06 05:21:17 AM  

cynicalminion: [img.fark.net image 450x548]
>>for jezebel

[img.fark.net image 500x773]
>>for loki.


Actually the first one...yum...
 
2013-11-06 05:24:20 AM  

mhd: You mean this never happened?
[i.imgur.com image 400x199]

/Your blog sucks.


I never knew nipples went "nurp" when you twist them.
 
2013-11-06 05:27:59 AM  

alice_600: mhd: You mean this never happened?
[i.imgur.com image 400x199]

/Your blog sucks.

I never knew nipples went "nurp" when you twist them.


A 'purple nurple', I think.
 
2013-11-06 05:45:53 AM  
a thorple norple?

alice_600: cynicalminion: [img.fark.net image 450x548]
>>for jezebel

[img.fark.net image 500x773]
>>for loki.

Actually the first one...yum...


well, YEAH...   who wouldn't want to be lassoed by wonderman?

also:  *AHEM*  ATTENTION ALL NIPPLES!! GET THE FARK OFF THE BATSUIT!!
 
2013-11-06 06:26:51 AM  
MIGHTY fark! THOR DIDN'T REALLY SPEAK ENGLISH?
 
2013-11-06 07:04:37 AM  

alice_600: mhd: You mean this never happened?
[i.imgur.com image 400x199]

/Your blog sucks.

I never knew nipples went "nurp" when you twist them.


They make all sorts of noises when it's an as guardian god doing the nurpling.
 
2013-11-06 07:08:31 AM  
So comic books and their related movies aren't documentaries?  Sheesh.  I suppose the next big revelation will that the internet isn't 100% accurate.
 
2013-11-06 07:21:19 AM  

Aquapope: When the "Hercules" TV show was on, a friend of mine got pissed at something and said "Nuh uh, that's not the way it really happened."  I still give him shiat for that 15 years later.

How can you make something up about something that's made up and be incorrect?


Vampires don't sparkle.
 
2013-11-06 07:28:30 AM  

kim jong-un: alice_600: mhd: You mean this never happened?
[i.imgur.com image 400x199]

/Your blog sucks.

I never knew nipples went "nurp" when you twist them.

They make all sorts of noises when it's an as guardian god doing the nurpling.


asgardian, or ass-guardian?

thor?  i could hardly walk!!
 
2013-11-06 07:32:06 AM  
"You're Thor? I'm tho thore I can hardly pith!"

/Playboy party jokes from the 1970's, FTW
 
2013-11-06 07:59:43 AM  

Ishkur: Really, it is due to the success of Thor that Marvel is looking at all it's properties and going "Y'know, this could all work. Nothing is farfetched anymore." Hence why they're going for it all with Guardians of the Galaxy.

And which gave us this hilarious tweet:
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Guardians is going to be the bell weather test for whats can make it to film. Seriously if the movie does well, and I think it will be if its targeted to your tween demographic, the rest of the studios are going to be giving a number of writers midnight calls and apologies for laughing at them on their way out the door.
 
2013-11-06 08:05:17 AM  
Given the size of their ever-expanding money pile, they would probably say they got just enough of it right.
 
2013-11-06 08:07:06 AM  
If this Odin ever met the Odin of Norse myth, Marvel-Odin would get his ass kicked.

Crappy article overall, but this did need to be said. Anthony Hopkins turned in a good performance and all, but I still refer to that version as Fauxdin.
 
2013-11-06 08:11:44 AM  

cynicalminion: [img.fark.net image 450x548]
>>for jezebel

[img.fark.net image 500x773]
>>for loki.


Five beers and I'll have the first, eight for the second.

/NTTAWWT
//maybe
 
mhd
2013-11-06 08:11:59 AM  

Spaced Lion: Anthony Hopkins turned in a good performance and all, but I still refer to that version as Fauxdin.


THEY SHOULD HAVE PICKED ANOTHER BRITISH ACTOR.

/ASGARDIANS, DIVE!
 
2013-11-06 08:33:02 AM  

sephjnr: cynicalminion: [img.fark.net image 450x548]
>>for jezebel

[img.fark.net image 500x773]
>>for loki.

Five beers and I'll have the first, eight for the second.

/NTTAWWT
//maybe


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/to be fair, should be l'oreal asgard...
 
2013-11-06 08:36:18 AM  

Battlestar Girlactica: These didn't happen either?

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this looks familiar.....

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2013-11-06 08:42:27 AM  
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2013-11-06 08:43:55 AM  
Only 8?
 
2013-11-06 08:45:18 AM  

Ishkur: Snapper Carr: I'll see your Beta Ray Bill and raise you Throg.

Isn't that just Glen from Chrono Trigger?


Cyrus' hopes and dreams...and now the Masamune, these will now become my burden!

(God I still think that's one of the best RPG's ever.)
(Too bad they never made a sequel.)
(Chrono Cross? What? Never heard of it...)
 
2013-11-06 08:46:01 AM  
I like how people treat the fragmentary surviving records of a centuries long oral tradition as if they are somehow a definitive version of a mythos.
 
2013-11-06 08:47:27 AM  

sephjnr: cynicalminion: [img.fark.net image 450x548]
>>for jezebel

[img.fark.net image 500x773]
>>for loki.

Five beers and I'll have the first, eight for the second.

/NTTAWWT
//maybe


///there is DEFINITELY something wrong with what those two are doing in my head.
////i'll be in my fjord.
 
2013-11-06 08:48:59 AM  

Sybarite: I like how people treat the fragmentary surviving records of a centuries long oral tradition as if they are somehow a definitive version of a mythos.


i love how naughty that sounds...
/still in my fjord...
 
2013-11-06 08:50:21 AM  

mhd: THEY SHOULD HAVE PICKED ANOTHER BRITISH ACTOR.

/ASGARDIANS, DIVE!


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2013-11-06 08:54:37 AM  

Felgraf: Too bad they never made a sequel.


Squeenix didn't (because apparently they hate money for some reason), but the fans did.
 
2013-11-06 09:06:55 AM  

alice_600: mhd: You mean this never happened?
[i.imgur.com image 400x199]

/Your blog sucks.

I never knew nipples went "nurp" when you twist them.


I could demonstrate if you like

/nurp
 
2013-11-06 09:15:08 AM  
Wow. I didn't know that Hodor killed Baldur.


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2013-11-06 09:17:01 AM  

bdub77: Another fun advertisement masquerading as an article whose sole purpose is to generate hype  clicksfor a website trying to ride the coat tails of amovie coming out in 3 days.


Newspapers have been doing this forever.  It's not an ad -- it's clickbait.
 
2013-11-06 09:21:05 AM  

Ishkur: Doc Batarang: I always thought Thor was utterly unfilmable. All the Kirby costumes, the Shakespeare lingo, most of the villains, the doofy secret identity, the boring love interests and the rainbow bridge would all make it highly improbable that any of it would translate enough for the wider audience to care.
I think we should all give Thor a round of applause, it actually all works.

Really, it is due to the success of Thor that Marvel is looking at all it's properties and going "Y'know, this could all work. Nothing is farfetched anymore." Hence why they're going for it all with Guardians of the Galaxy.

And which gave us this hilarious tweet:

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I'll call your Raccoon with a machine gun and raise you a rabbit with a sniper rifle.

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2013-11-06 09:28:53 AM  

spawn73: How can you make something up about something that's made up and be incorrect?

The same way you can fark up a play by Shakespeare, or a story by Charles Dickens.

The moment you go from, I have a good play, or a good story, to, I have a good play by Shakespeare or a good story by Charles Dickens, certain expectations follows.


The difference is that with Shakespeare and Dickens, we have a specific text were working from, which tells a single story.  I'm not well-versed in Norse mythology, but in Greek mythology, the stories come from so many sources over such a period of time that many of them contradict each other as to the basic facts of a particular myth.
 
2013-11-06 09:41:19 AM  

Aquapope: When the "Hercules" TV show was on, a friend of mine got pissed at something and said "Nuh uh, that's not the way it really happened."  I still give him shiat for that 15 years later.

How can you make something up about something that's made up and be incorrect?


I have a friend who once said D&D was inaccurate because they didn't have studded leather. I was like dude this is a made up place with wizards and dragons WTF?
 
2013-11-06 09:45:24 AM  
Corvus:

I have a friend who once said D&D was inaccurate because they didn't have studded leather.

That's why you should play Rolemaster, instead.
 
2013-11-06 10:00:25 AM  

Aquapope: When the "Hercules" TV show was on, a friend of mine got pissed at something and said "Nuh uh, that's not the way it really happened."  I still give him shiat for that 15 years later.

How can you make something up about something that's made up and be incorrect?


Jesus really?

Because what has been written before is cannon and your cheap copy is wrong. Now it might be entertainingly wrong, as the case of Marvel's Thor, but don't use it a source to write your 8th grade paper on Norse Mythos or you will fail.
 
2013-11-06 10:00:43 AM  
That is not really Thor, it's just a hologram.
 
2013-11-06 10:02:41 AM  

Ishkur: Doc Batarang: I always thought Thor was utterly unfilmable. All the Kirby costumes, the Shakespeare lingo, most of the villains, the doofy secret identity, the boring love interests and the rainbow bridge would all make it highly improbable that any of it would translate enough for the wider audience to care.
I think we should all give Thor a round of applause, it actually all works.

Really, it is due to the success of Thor that Marvel is looking at all it's properties and going "Y'know, this could all work. Nothing is farfetched anymore." Hence why they're going for it all with Guardians of the Galaxy.

And which gave us this hilarious tweet:
[cdn.uproxx.com image 563x380]


I can't wait for the dam Racoon with a machine gun, I hope he pulls out a rocket launcher or some other large cannon in the final big bad smackdown. Why? Cause fark you that is why.
 
2013-11-06 10:04:28 AM  

Slaxl: Smoking GNU: MaudlinMutantMollusk: A movie, made from a comic book... and they got some mythical, imaginary thing wrong?

/WTF is wrong with you people?

Precisely what i was thinking.

A lot of you seem to be under the misapprehension that the original stories are fake. You are of course all wrong, as you will discover when the wolf shakes free of its chains and swallows the sun.


Cool, I'll make the popcorn and we can watch the world burn. You bring the wennies.
 
2013-11-06 10:05:21 AM  

Evil Mackerel: That is not really Thor, it's just a hologram.

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Approves.
 
mhd
2013-11-06 10:05:38 AM  

Corvus: I have a friend who once said D&D was inaccurate because they didn't have studded leather.


And "plate mail".

/But strangely enough made a huge deal about distinguishing between a fauchard and a glaive
 
2013-11-06 10:06:15 AM  
Believe it or not, the god of the ancient Norseman did not speak English of any sort.

Had to stop reading here for my own sanity. Assuming one believes the Thunderer to be real, why wouldn't he speak English? It's a Germanic language, he's a Germanic god, and he was being honored in England by Angles speaking English centuries before Snorri wrote his books in Iceland.
 
2013-11-06 10:11:28 AM  

Evil Mackerel: That is not really Thor, it's just a hologram.


Cool! Does that hologram rock out on it' mystic Axe? Does it hang out with Jem?

Movies that need to be done.
Jem and the Holograms.
Princess Amythest.
Teen Titans/Young Justice/New Mutants/Mutant X (all the same concept)
Booster Gold
 
2013-11-06 10:19:09 AM  
The true tragedy about garbled Norse myths is that tri-ace never made a Valkyrie Profile 3 (for the PS3).
 
2013-11-06 10:22:20 AM  
The article is incorrect about Thor's belt it has always been part of the character, check The Might Thor 381 his soul is inside the destroyer yet he still puts on his belt and cape.
Matter of fact starting at Thor 378 his armor is all magic'd up and he has a beard.

Also the biggest one the article missed is "Mjolnir" the name of the hammer is totally made up.

(The bulk of my collection is 70s-80s thor)
 
2013-11-06 10:28:17 AM  
I find it funny that they are fact-checking against mythology when the myths themselves changed quite often. The myths weren't theology; they were stories old people told children to keep them entertained.
 
2013-11-06 10:29:24 AM  

Ishkur: Doc Batarang: I always thought Thor was utterly unfilmable. All the Kirby costumes, the Shakespeare lingo, most of the villains, the doofy secret identity, the boring love interests and the rainbow bridge would all make it highly improbable that any of it would translate enough for the wider audience to care.
I think we should all give Thor a round of applause, it actually all works.

Really, it is due to the success of Thor that Marvel is looking at all it's properties and going "Y'know, this could all work. Nothing is farfetched anymore." Hence why they're going for it all with Guardians of the Galaxy.

And which gave us this hilarious tweet:
[cdn.uproxx.com image 563x380]


That will always be the greatest tweet ever regarding Marvel v. DC.
 
2013-11-06 10:32:34 AM  
Space Station Wagon

Also the biggest one the article missed is "Mjolnir" the name of the hammer is totally made up.

Do you mean "made up" in the sense that the source material was just made up? Because it's totes in there.

"En hamarrinn Mjöllnir kom í mitt höfuð Hrungni ok lamði hausinn í smán mola, ok fell hann fram yfir Þór, svá at fótr hans lá of háls Þór." - Skáldskaparmál
 
2013-11-06 10:33:23 AM  

bdub77: Another fun advertisement masquerading as an article whose sole purpose is to generate hype for a movie coming out in 3 days.


I like Rob Bricken. He used to write for Topless Robot. I don't mind when he writes blogs like this, I thought it was an interesting read. His stuff usually is. When he used to do Fan Fiction Fridays on TR, his commentary would have me in tears.
 
2013-11-06 10:34:27 AM  
Oh wow, comic 'books' inaccurate? Who woulda thunk?
Next they'll be saying that their use of 'fizzix' isn't real.
 
2013-11-06 10:46:08 AM  
For the most part it's less - "Got wrong" than "changed to fit the narrative they wanted and/or keep from violating the comics code"
 
2013-11-06 10:59:05 AM  

fusillade762: miss diminutive: Do they plan to explain how he can catch a massive hammer travelling at ridiculous speeds without having to absorb the impact? Because I'm not seeing that travesty unless they do.

/it's a farking movie

And if the hammer is so heavy why didn't it fall through the floor when he dropped it on the helicarrier in The Avengers?


While the hammer is heavy (some say about 200 pounds), the reason most people can't lift it is due to an enchantment placed by Odin that prevents "unworthy" people from lifting it.
 
2013-11-06 11:02:41 AM  
Norse Mythology is pretty dull compared to other cultures. A chariot pulled by goats?
 
2013-11-06 11:06:08 AM  
I bet the person who wrote TFA doesn't even know that Volstagg the Voluminous (who is far too small in the movie, and who should have been played by BRIAN BLESSED) was based on the Shakespearean character Falstaff, either.
 
2013-11-06 11:07:42 AM  

DMZ DEATH: bdub77: Another fun advertisement masquerading as an article whose sole purpose is to generate hype for a movie coming out in 3 days.

I like Rob Bricken. He used to write for Topless Robot. I don't mind when he writes blogs like this, I thought it was an interesting read. His stuff usually is. When he used to do Fan Fiction Fridays on TR, his commentary would have me in tears.


I used to love reading TR when Bricken was running the show, but now that Luke Thompson took over, it completely blows. They don't even do FFF anymore.
 
2013-11-06 11:18:51 AM  

DMZ DEATH: bdub77: Another fun advertisement masquerading as an article whose sole purpose is to generate hype for a movie coming out in 3 days.

I like Rob Bricken. He used to write for Topless Robot. I don't mind when he writes blogs like this, I thought it was an interesting read. His stuff usually is. When he used to do Fan Fiction Fridays on TR, his commentary would have me in tears.


I'd forgotten about Fan Fiction Fridays.  Thanks.  That should kill some time here at work.
 
2013-11-06 11:44:03 AM  

God Is My Co-Pirate: I will say, if they include the time Thor lost his hammer, and had to dress up as a bride to win it back, while Loki came dressed as a bridesmaid, I would see that movie.


Hell, yes. There's some divine slapstick for you.
 
2013-11-06 11:45:09 AM  

ZeroCorpse: I bet the person who wrote TFA doesn't even know that Volstagg the Voluminous (who is far too small in the movie, and who should have been played by BRIAN BLESSED) was based on the Shakespearean character Falstaff, either.


Okay folks do we want Brian Blessed as Odin or Volstagg? He can't be both.
 
mhd
2013-11-06 11:48:37 AM  

verbaltoxin: Okay folks do we want Brian Blessed as Odin or Volstagg? He can't be both.


Just put some prosthetics on Maurice LaMarche.
 
2013-11-06 11:57:18 AM  

Dingleberry Dickwad: Evil Mackerel: That is not really Thor, it's just a hologram.
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Approves.


Finally, the *real* Thor makes an appearance.  Shame about blowing up their homeworld, but he sure went out like a boss.

/Hallowed are the Ori.
 
2013-11-06 12:15:53 PM  

Spaced Lion: Felgraf: Too bad they never made a sequel.

Squeenix didn't (because apparently they hate money for some reason), but the fans did.


So I have heard! I admit I was more poking fun at how Chrono Cross was... yeaaaaaaahhhh.....


Corvus: Aquapope: When the "Hercules" TV show was on, a friend of mine got pissed at something and said "Nuh uh, that's not the way it really happened."  I still give him shiat for that 15 years later.

How can you make something up about something that's made up and be incorrect?

I have a friend who once said D&D was inaccurate because they didn't have studded leather. I was like dude this is a made up place with wizards and dragons WTF?


Well, to be fair, it is possible to have a made up place that still does not make entire sense.
 
2013-11-06 12:18:48 PM  

mhd: Corvus: I have a friend who once said D&D was inaccurate because they didn't have studded leather.

And "plate mail".

/But strangely enough made a huge deal about distinguishing between a fauchard and a glaive


still hear that term and get frisbee/ufo imagery in my head.
/not saying it's aliens, but it's thac0 is 2
 
2013-11-06 12:20:56 PM  
*its

/back to the catnap.
 
2013-11-06 12:39:36 PM  

Jim_Callahan: Doc Batarang: Wonder Woman is weird though. As a pop culture figure, she's as good as the Easter Bunny or Sherlock Holmes. As an actual comic, it sucks out loud. She's better as one of the mains in the JLA and that's all.

She's also kind of the annoying distaff counterpart type of hero, effectively just "chick Superman" in like 90% of the storylines.

If they want a female JLA member for a movie, I vote Zatanna.  Her shtick is entertaining with the talking backward and the stage magic stuff, she's got a relatively clear origin story that's both comprehensible and reasonably relatable, and she actually wears a bloody shirt (occasionally even pants!).  Plus, her villains are basically "everyone else that uses magic in the DC universe, including the heroes" and she actually makes mistakes and has to fix them, so the plot could possibly not suck to boot.


Zatanna is my vote too. She is also really cheap from a production stand point because all the spells are editing tricks instead of cgi. Like black widow and hawk eye were for the avengers, because they were all prop and costumes.
 
2013-11-06 12:45:43 PM  

Facetious_Speciest: Space Station Wagon

Also the biggest one the article missed is "Mjolnir" the name of the hammer is totally made up.

Do you mean "made up" in the sense that the source material was just made up? Because it's totes in there.

"En hamarrinn Mjöllnir kom í mitt höfuð Hrungni ok lamði hausinn í smán mola, ok fell hann fram yfir Þór, svá at fótr hans lá of háls Þór." - Skáldskaparmál


I stand corrected.
I could have sworn I watched a documentary with Stan Lee and him stating that he made up the name of the hammer. (wouldn't be the first time he took undue credit).
 
2013-11-06 12:51:20 PM  

Felgraf: Spaced Lion: Felgraf: Too bad they never made a sequel.

Squeenix didn't (because apparently they hate money for some reason), but the fans did.

So I have heard! I admit I was more poking fun at how Chrono Cross was... yeaaaaaaahhhh.....


Corvus: Aquapope: When the "Hercules" TV show was on, a friend of mine got pissed at something and said "Nuh uh, that's not the way it really happened."  I still give him shiat for that 15 years later.

How can you make something up about something that's made up and be incorrect?

I have a friend who once said D&D was inaccurate because they didn't have studded leather. I was like dude this is a made up place with wizards and dragons WTF?

Well, to be fair, it is possible to have a made up place that still does not make entire sense.


One piece of writing advice I been given is "Your job is to make the unreal real, not the real unreal."

verbaltoxin: Okay folks do we want Brian Blessed as Odin or Volstagg? He can't be both.


Why not?
 
2013-11-06 12:52:56 PM  
cynicalminion:

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Speak for yourself.
 
2013-11-06 12:58:34 PM  

miss diminutive: Do they plan to explain how he can catch a massive hammer travelling at ridiculous speeds without having to absorb the impact? Because I'm not seeing that travesty unless they do.

/it's a farking movie


Short Answer: Inertial Dampeners

Long Answer: For years now Marvel has been attempting to "re-explain" Magic and Cosmic Events as a form of Super-Science so advanced that it (sometimes deliberately) appears as magical to less developed cultures.  They've applied that policy in varying degrees to the regular Marvel Comics, Ultimates, Movie/TV and other/alternate Universes.

Looked at that way, it could explain how a lot of things fit together and can be explained in Marvel Storylines and how people like Tony Stark (for instance) can build a suit of iron man armor from the same metal as Thor's Hammer and actually make it usable.

I'm cutting my reply here because I would otherwise completely nerd out on explaining what Mjolnir is made from and how it could work, if looked at from a modern sci-fi framework.
 
2013-11-06 01:07:36 PM  
When do we get to see his boat?

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2013-11-06 01:09:42 PM  

Aquapope: When the "Hercules" TV show was on, a friend of mine got pissed at something and said "Nuh uh, that's not the way it really happened."  I still give him shiat for that 15 years later.

How can you make something up about something that's made up and be incorrect?


So Jesus did ride dinosaurs?
 
2013-11-06 01:10:49 PM  

Aquapope: When the "Hercules" TV show was on, a friend of mine got pissed at something and said "Nuh uh, that's not the way it really happened."  I still give him shiat for that 15 years later.

How can you make something up about something that's made up and be incorrect?


Nice. I tried the "I'm learning about mythology!" tack to watch the show when I was a kid. Of course the only reasons I wanted to watch it were for the (terrible, but at the time all we had) CG monsters and (not great, but at the time all we had) cleavage.
 
2013-11-06 01:12:10 PM  

verbaltoxin: ZeroCorpse: I bet the person who wrote TFA doesn't even know that Volstagg the Voluminous (who is far too small in the movie, and who should have been played by BRIAN BLESSED) was based on the Shakespearean character Falstaff, either.

Okay folks do we want Brian Blessed as Odin or Volstagg? He can't be both.


YES HE CAN! HE CAN BE ALL THE CHARACTERS, AND THEN shiat ATOP A GREAT MOUNTAIN!
 
2013-11-06 01:29:55 PM  

Seequinn: miss diminutive: Do they plan to explain how he can catch a massive hammer travelling at ridiculous speeds without having to absorb the impact? Because I'm not seeing that travesty unless they do.

/it's a farking movie

Short Answer: Inertial Dampeners

Long Answer: For years now Marvel has been attempting to "re-explain" Magic and Cosmic Events as a form of Super-Science so advanced that it (sometimes deliberately) appears as magical to less developed cultures.  They've applied that policy in varying degrees to the regular Marvel Comics, Ultimates, Movie/TV and other/alternate Universes.

Looked at that way, it could explain how a lot of things fit together and can be explained in Marvel Storylines and how people like Tony Stark (for instance) can build a suit of iron man armor from the same metal as Thor's Hammer and actually make it usable.

I'm cutting my reply here because I would otherwise completely nerd out on explaining what Mjolnir is made from and how it could work, if looked at from a modern sci-fi framework.


Is it Vibranium?
 
2013-11-06 01:35:40 PM  

simplicimus: Seequinn: miss diminutive: Do they plan to explain how he can catch a massive hammer travelling at ridiculous speeds without having to absorb the impact? Because I'm not seeing that travesty unless they do.

/it's a farking movie

Short Answer: Inertial Dampeners

Long Answer: For years now Marvel has been attempting to "re-explain" Magic and Cosmic Events as a form of Super-Science so advanced that it (sometimes deliberately) appears as magical to less developed cultures.  They've applied that policy in varying degrees to the regular Marvel Comics, Ultimates, Movie/TV and other/alternate Universes.

Looked at that way, it could explain how a lot of things fit together and can be explained in Marvel Storylines and how people like Tony Stark (for instance) can build a suit of iron man armor from the same metal as Thor's Hammer and actually make it usable.

I'm cutting my reply here because I would otherwise completely nerd out on explaining what Mjolnir is made from and how it could work, if looked at from a modern sci-fi framework.

Is it Vibranium?


URU METAL.
 
2013-11-06 01:54:43 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: A movie, made from a comic book... and they got some mythical, imaginary thing wrong?

/WTF is wrong with you people?


Actually, they are pointing to the things the comic book got wrong in the first place, so there's that...

As for the list, I think they've been doing a good job with Loki, actually. he's not evil here as much as self-centered, and can be persuaded to help out when needed. He may be a dick, but he's Asgard's dick, and that's what really matters...
 
2013-11-06 02:02:36 PM  

robohobo: [simplywallpaper.net image 850x486]


If they can make Jesus white, we can make Heimdall black.
 
2013-11-06 02:41:16 PM  

Bloody William: URU METAL


So Captain America's shield is made from Uru? I thought it was a vibranium/adamantium alloy.
 
2013-11-06 02:44:23 PM  
Captain America's shield is made from vibranium/proto-adamantium, and uru is an Asgardian/dvergar metal Thor's hammer is made from.
 
2013-11-06 02:46:53 PM  

Slaxl: Smoking GNU: MaudlinMutantMollusk: A movie, made from a comic book... and they got some mythical, imaginary thing wrong?

/WTF is wrong with you people?

Precisely what i was thinking.

A lot of you seem to be under the misapprehension that the original stories are fake. You are of course all wrong, as you will discover when the wolf shakes free of its chains and swallows the sun.


Jesus promised the end of wicked people. Thor promised the end of frost giants. I haven't seen any frost giants for a while.
 
2013-11-06 02:55:34 PM  

Facetious_Speciest: Captain America's shield is made from vibranium/proto-adamantium, and uru is an Asgardian/dvergar metal Thor's hammer is made from.


Not according to Marvel's database:  http://marvel.wikia.com/Uru

But I have the same understanding you have. Maybe he got a new shield.
 
2013-11-06 02:58:54 PM  

cynicalminion: mhd: Corvus: I have a friend who once said D&D was inaccurate because they didn't have studded leather.

And "plate mail".

/But strangely enough made a huge deal about distinguishing between a fauchard and a glaive

still hear that term and get frisbee/ufo imagery in my head.
/not saying it's aliens, but it's thac0 is 2


*blows whistle, throws flag*

The Armor Class of AD&D plate mail is 3.  You, sir, are either mistaking plate mail for field plate (which was not in the original edition of AD&D, prior to being introduced in Dragon magazine and then officially canonized in Unearthed Arcana), or including the defensive bonus conferred by a shield (the ubiquitous "sword and board" setup).

IIRC, studded leather was in AD&D (but not in the original D&D).  It was AC 7, a bit better than standard leather armor (AC 8).
 
2013-11-06 02:59:05 PM  
If you look up the shield on the same wiki, it says it's vibranium/adamantium.

farking Marvel (non) continuity.
 
2013-11-06 03:06:46 PM  

Facetious_Speciest: If you look up the shield on the same wiki, it says it's vibranium/adamantium.

farking Marvel (non) continuity.


Actually if you read further down for the entry on his shield, just before the "Surviving into the future" that wiki says that Stark rebuilt the shield out of Uru at some point.
 
2013-11-06 03:11:11 PM  

Dingleberry Dickwad: Facetious_Speciest: If you look up the shield on the same wiki, it says it's vibranium/adamantium.

farking Marvel (non) continuity.

Actually if you read further down for the entry on his shield, just before the "Surviving into the future" that wiki says that Stark rebuilt the shield out of Uru at some point.


I suppose it would have helped if I had actually put a link in there.
 
2013-11-06 03:11:28 PM  
And it's pronouced "Tor"...not Thor. Lilke I tore my pants, not my legs are so sore.
 
2013-11-06 03:12:01 PM  
Oh, lawd.

Iron Man and some dwarves made a shield of uru for Captain America. I stand corrected.
 
2013-11-06 03:14:00 PM  
indarwinsshadow

And it's pronouced "Tor"...not Thor.

Actually, it's a "th" in Western Germanic dialects.
 
2013-11-06 03:15:43 PM  

Facetious_Speciest: Oh, lawd.

Iron Man and some dwarves made a shield of uru for Captain America. I stand corrected.


Yeah, stuff like that is one of the reasons I don't bother with comics anymore. It's gotten so ridiculously difficult to keep track of who is doing what to who, when and in what timeline in whichever alternate universe that I just gave up. That's what Wiki is for nowadays.
 
2013-11-06 04:11:00 PM  

Dingleberry Dickwad: Facetious_Speciest: Oh, lawd.

Iron Man and some dwarves made a shield of uru for Captain America. I stand corrected.

Yeah, stuff like that is one of the reasons I don't bother with comics anymore. It's gotten so ridiculously difficult to keep track of who is doing what to who, when and in what timeline in whichever alternate universe that I just gave up. That's what Wiki is for nowadays.


Does it really matter what it's made out of? The important thing is that it's indestructible. The details don't matter
 
2013-11-06 04:20:03 PM  
 
mhd
2013-11-06 04:33:58 PM  

Seequinn: For years now Marvel has been attempting to "re-explain" Magic and Cosmic Events as a form of Super-Science so advanced that it (sometimes deliberately) appears as magical to less developed cultures.


Really? Not too long ago a few pantheons were going banding together to beat up the Skrull gods, no super-science there. The movies seem to go far beyond the call of duty here, probably to appease the Christian wingnuts.

Can't speak for the Ultimates stuff, I stopped wallowing in Millars midden after vol. 1.
 
2013-11-06 04:39:21 PM  

SuperChuck: Dingleberry Dickwad: Facetious_Speciest: Oh, lawd.

Iron Man and some dwarves made a shield of uru for Captain America. I stand corrected.

Yeah, stuff like that is one of the reasons I don't bother with comics anymore. It's gotten so ridiculously difficult to keep track of who is doing what to who, when and in what timeline in whichever alternate universe that I just gave up. That's what Wiki is for nowadays.

Does it really matter what it's made out of? The important thing is that it's indestructible. The details don't matter


It does matter when it is used as a plot device itself.  I think the Uru based shield was used as part of the Siege story arc, in which Asgard "invaded" Earth and the Avengers had to upgrade their equipment to be able to help Thor out.   I know that Stark had to return the Uru based Iron Man suit as a condition of being allowed to use it to help out in that situation.   I'll have to check if the same was true for Cap.

The shield was shattered at least once in my recollection (During the original Secret Wars) and remade; both events as an expression that the forces the heroes in that story we dealing with were that far beyond their super-heroing experience that even "indestructible" objects can become fair game at times.
 
2013-11-06 04:39:25 PM  

SuperChuck: Dingleberry Dickwad: Facetious_Speciest: Oh, lawd.

Iron Man and some dwarves made a shield of uru for Captain America. I stand corrected.

Yeah, stuff like that is one of the reasons I don't bother with comics anymore. It's gotten so ridiculously difficult to keep track of who is doing what to who, when and in what timeline in whichever alternate universe that I just gave up. That's what Wiki is for nowadays.

Does it really matter what it's made out of? The important thing is that it's indestructible. The details don't matter


Its all indestructible until it isn't according to plot.
That's why they have  vibranium, admantium, uru, "Unobtainium".

But when all is said and done itsn't that the fun of comic storys, that you can let your imagination go.
 
2013-11-06 04:44:17 PM  

Bloody William: verbaltoxin: ZeroCorpse: I bet the person who wrote TFA doesn't even know that Volstagg the Voluminous (who is far too small in the movie, and who should have been played by BRIAN BLESSED) was based on the Shakespearean character Falstaff, either.

Okay folks do we want  BRIAN BLESSED! as Odin or Volstagg? He can't be both.

YES HE CAN! HE CAN BE ALL THE CHARACTERS, AND THEN shiat ATOP A GREAT MOUNTAIN!


FTFY

He's the voice of Zeus in a pinball game downloaded on my DSi, and it's awesome to hear.  He ought to play as many gods as possible!
 
2013-11-06 04:46:06 PM  

Space Station Wagon: SuperChuck: Dingleberry Dickwad: Facetious_Speciest: Oh, lawd.

Iron Man and some dwarves made a shield of uru for Captain America. I stand corrected.

Yeah, stuff like that is one of the reasons I don't bother with comics anymore. It's gotten so ridiculously difficult to keep track of who is doing what to who, when and in what timeline in whichever alternate universe that I just gave up. That's what Wiki is for nowadays.

Does it really matter what it's made out of? The important thing is that it's indestructible. The details don't matter

Its all indestructible until it isn't according to plot.
That's why they have  vibranium, admantium, uru, "Unobtainium".

But when all is said and done itsn't that the fun of comic storys, that you can let your imagination go.


That was sort of my point. It's indestructible because <whatever the comic equivalent of technobabble is>. And then it breaks because of other reasons. And then it's fixed. Or a new one is made. The exact details don't matter as long as it sounds cool.
 
2013-11-06 04:53:00 PM  

SuperChuck: Space Station Wagon: SuperChuck: Dingleberry Dickwad: Facetious_Speciest: Oh, lawd.

Iron Man and some dwarves made a shield of uru for Captain America. I stand corrected.

Yeah, stuff like that is one of the reasons I don't bother with comics anymore. It's gotten so ridiculously difficult to keep track of who is doing what to who, when and in what timeline in whichever alternate universe that I just gave up. That's what Wiki is for nowadays.

Does it really matter what it's made out of? The important thing is that it's indestructible. The details don't matter

Its all indestructible until it isn't according to plot.
That's why they have  vibranium, admantium, uru, "Unobtainium".

But when all is said and done itsn't that the fun of comic storys, that you can let your imagination go.

That was sort of my point. It's indestructible because <whatever the comic equivalent of technobabble is>. And then it breaks because of other reasons. And then it's fixed. Or a new one is made. The exact details don't matter as long as it sounds cool.


I am and was in agreement. :)
 
2013-11-06 04:58:33 PM  

Dingleberry Dickwad: Evil Mackerel: That is not really Thor, it's just a hologram.
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Approves.


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2013-11-06 05:17:47 PM  

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2013-11-06 05:41:54 PM  
There is one thing Marvel (or at least Jaimie Alexander) got RIGHT about Thor.  The premiere attire:

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2013-11-06 08:56:52 PM  
Loki was the original red-headed stepchild.
 
2013-11-06 11:47:24 PM  
gerrymander:
Behold! The whitest of the gods!

That 'whitest of the gods' nonsense was added to Wikipedia by butthurt white supremacists
 
2013-11-07 12:03:23 AM  

steve_lou: gerrymander:
Behold! The whitest of the gods!

That 'whitest of the gods' nonsense was added to Wikipedia by butthurt white supremacists


If so, it's nonsense added prior to 1988, when I read that translation.
 
2013-11-07 02:35:29 AM  

Cheese eating surrender monkey: Write article about how Marvel got Norse mythology wrong

Spells Ragnarök ragnorak.


I am SO glad I'm not the only one that caught that. I involuntarily recoiled when I read that...
 
2013-11-07 07:07:04 AM  
steve_lou

That 'whitest of the gods' nonsense was added to Wikipedia by butthurt white supremacists

It gets worse...they then used their time machine to go back and add it to the Þrymskviða!

"Þá kvað þat Heimdallr, hvítastr ása..."
 
2013-11-07 10:56:12 AM  

simplicimus: Bloody William: URU METAL

So Captain America's shield is made from Uru? I thought it was a vibranium/adamantium alloy.


Cap's shield is Vibranium / Proto-Adamantium from the beginning but since Fear Itself happened. The God Fear (Odin's long lost brother) broke the shield and Tony, along with the Dwarves, reforged it and added Uru Metal to the crack. It now bares a scar where it was broken but is now stronger then it was before.
 
2013-11-07 11:00:06 AM  

Facetious_Speciest: darwin


No. It's not. German is my second language. I sprechen sie deutsch. It's Tor.
 
2013-11-07 11:07:39 AM  

steve_lou: gerrymander:
Behold! The whitest of the gods!

That 'whitest of the gods' nonsense was added to Wikipedia by butthurt white supremacists


You're wrong.
 
2013-11-07 11:07:39 AM  
indarwinsshadow

No. It's not. German is my second language. I sprechen sie deutsch. It's Tor.

Actually, wouldn't it be Donar or some variation thereof? As in Donnerstag? Not trying to correct your German, but I'm unfamiliar with a dialect that calls it Torstag (which means little, since my German is rather Pfälzisch).

Also, look at other West Germanic languages. You're speaking one: is it THursday or Torsday? Is Thundersley in Essex pronounced with a hard T sound? Is the English form of the Thurisaz rune not Thorn?
 
2013-11-07 11:16:39 AM  

Facetious_Speciest: Also, look at other West Germanic languages. You're speaking one: is it THursday or Torsday? Is Thundersley in Essex pronounced with a hard T sound? Is the English form of the Thurisaz rune not Thorn?


For what it's worth I have worked with Swedish people who pronounce it "Tor".
 
2013-11-07 11:17:29 AM  
Slaxl

For what it's worth I have worked with Swedish people who pronounce it "Tor".

Swedish is a Northern (as opposed to Western) Germanic language.
 
2013-11-07 12:37:21 PM  
I could have sworn there was something on Fark a while back, around when the first Thor movie was released, about white supremacists and Heimdall. It doesn't help that searches turn up a lot of racist websites
 
2013-11-07 12:44:38 PM  
steve_lou

You're not wrong about that part. They were highly incensed. But it was because Heimdall is described as "whitest of gods" that they were extra mad. The description's a real thing from back in the day.

Personally, not a single fark given over here. Idris Elba, though underutilised in the film, has some gravitas when he wants to. He's a good actor. And if one really wanted to get all technical about it, his (Heimdall's) parentage isn't exactly explicitly spelled out. He's a god, but born of nine mothers...waves of the sea, giants, who the fark really knows. He could be blue like Krishna for all it matters.
 
2013-11-07 12:52:13 PM  
I was one of those opposed to a black Heimdall, not for racist reasons, but because he should be white... okay that sounds racist, but he's a white god, why make him black? The BBC did a Henry V recently and the Archbishop of York was played by a black guy. I didn't see why. The source material is there, use it, be accurate, I wouldn't cast a white person to play Shaka Zulu... Actually I might after what a great job Kingsley did for Gandhi.

However after seeing Thor I ate my words. I did think Heimdall was awesome, sometimes changing things can work. He was a great character. Not so much for the Archbishop of York in Henry V though.
 
2013-11-07 01:07:38 PM  

Slaves2Darkness: Aquapope: When the "Hercules" TV show was on, a friend of mine got pissed at something and said "Nuh uh, that's not the way it really happened."  I still give him shiat for that 15 years later.

How can you make something up about something that's made up and be incorrect?

Jesus really?

Because what has been written before is cannon and your cheap copy is wrong. Now it might be entertainingly wrong, as the case of Marvel's Thor, but don't use it a source to write your 8th grade paper on Norse Mythos or you will fail.


At one time a guy made up a story about a guy named Odin.  Then later a different guy added a missing eye and a big tree.  Later another guy made Odin into a god.  And later another guy made him the Father of gods, and then later another guy adder a son named Thor.  And later another guy had Thor work with a guy named Stark.  Which one of those is the correct one, and which ones are made up?
 
2013-11-07 01:19:54 PM  
Aquapope

Which one of those is the correct one, and which ones are made up?

I'll have a go.

At one time a guy made up a story about a guy named Odin.

Obviously false. "Odin" is linguistically descended from the Proto-Germanic "Wodanaz" or something similar, so no, no one made up a story about a guy named Odin as a basis for what would later become a religion.

Then later a different guy added a missing eye and a big tree.

Obviously false. The Proto-Indo-European motif of the worldtree predates anyone saying "Odin" by some thousands of years. Similarly, the parallels between the Germanic Wodanaz figure and the Celtic Lugus demonstrate either extensive contact/borrowing or pre-separation tradition...in either case, it existed before "Odin" was a thing.

Later another guy made Odin into a god.

Obviously false. Wodanaz was a divine figure before "Odin" was a thing.

And later another guy made him the Father of gods, and then later another guy adder a son named Thor.

Iffy. Assuming you mean "people" by "guy," it's true that the Wodanaz figure wasn't originally "father of the gods," but assumed such stature during the Völkerwanderung period, religiously tied to the concept of said deity sharing his knowledge of runes with man. Prior to this, the "father of the gods" was (literally, rather than the later figuratively) Tiwaz, reflections of which one sees in Tyr, Tiw, Zeus, Dyeus Pater, Dyaus Pitar, etc.

And later another guy had Thor work with a guy named Stark.

Yeah, that's obviously made up.
 
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