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2013-11-05 06:04:25 PM
At this point, how can anyone not want to have his babies?

Mainly because this, like pretty much everything else that he's done, is window dressing that allows people to get the warm fuzzies about the church without actually changing doctrine or widespread practice.

Good for him, I guess, that he's asking about the existence of same-sex couples without including the line "and I codemn thee to HELL!" in the questionnaire. You'll forgive me if I don't cream my drawers over how progressive an organization is that still doesn't recognize SSM and in fact actively campaigns against it.
 
2013-11-05 06:06:41 PM
Questionnaire?
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Nah, I kid. You go, Pope.
 
2013-11-05 06:22:43 PM
I would so love to see the responses to these questions from the bishops.

Referring to gay couples, one questions asks: "What pastoral attention can be given to people who have chosen to live in these types of union?"

Apart from condemning them to hell, refusing them the sacraments, demanding that they be celibate and telling them they aren't entitled to the same rights as other people, you mean?
 
2013-11-05 07:00:23 PM
What would the Pope's baby be called? Popeling?
 
2013-11-05 07:02:45 PM
The idealist in me is hoping that the Pope is gathering this onformation so he's got a better idea of what attitudes are currently prevalent in the church along with, importantly, the reasons behind them so he has a better idea of how to address the current inequalities within church doctrine. It would, ideally, be a prelude to actual reforms in the church to try and update it to modern social problems, to actually get the church back to whatit's meant to be doing.

Of course, it's probably not going to happen, but one can hope, right?
 
2013-11-05 07:04:01 PM
Remain a RC, recovering catholic, and an atheist but I like him.
 
2013-11-05 07:07:25 PM

Cagey B: At this point, how can anyone not want to have his babies?

Mainly because this, like pretty much everything else that he's done, is window dressing that allows people to get the warm fuzzies about the church without actually changing doctrine or widespread practice.

Good for him, I guess, that he's asking about the existence of same-sex couples without including the line "and I codemn thee to HELL!" in the questionnaire. You'll forgive me if I don't cream my drawers over how progressive an organization is that still doesn't recognize SSM and in fact actively campaigns against it.


Well... he *does* sorta have to follow this little thing called the Ten Commandments. Not that *I* agree with all 10 of them, but he *has* to, whether he would like to or not. This sort of puts him in a bind with regards to LGBT issues. If you can somehow convince the Catholic Church to throw out the Ten Commandments, more power to you. Just don't expect it to happen any time soon.
 
2013-11-05 07:07:41 PM
Don't shiat on the guy. He's at least trying to get pipe lines for change to squeak open a little bit. Maybe the pipe wil burst wide open at some point before he gets a 'tainted meal' for supper. I sure hope something bad does not happen to him. I'm not at all religious, but I love what he is trying to do.

You go Mr. Pope. Be safe and stay alive.
 
2013-11-05 07:07:49 PM

Cagey B: At this point, how can anyone not want to have his babies?

Mainly because this, like pretty much everything else that he's done, is window dressing that allows people to get the warm fuzzies about the church without actually changing doctrine or widespread practice.

Good for him, I guess, that he's asking about the existence of same-sex couples without including the line "and I codemn thee to HELL!" in the questionnaire. You'll forgive me if I don't cream my drawers over how progressive an organization is that still doesn't recognize SSM and in fact actively campaigns against it.


One step at a time, man. One step at a time.
 
2013-11-05 07:08:59 PM

fusillade762: What would the Pope's baby be called? Popeling?


They are usually called "the next pope"
 
2013-11-05 07:09:11 PM

ClavellBCMI: Well... he *does* sorta have to follow this little thing called the Ten Commandments. Not that *I* agree with all 10 of them, but he *has* to, whether he would like to or not. This sort of puts him in a bind with regards to LGBT issues. If you can somehow convince the Catholic Church to throw out the Ten Commandments, more power to you. Just don't expect it to happen any time soon.


I don't remember the Ten Commandments having anything to say about LGBT issues.
 
2013-11-05 07:09:25 PM

Cagey B: Mainly because this, like pretty much everything else that he's done, is window dressing that allows people to get the warm fuzzies about the church without actually changing doctrine or widespread practice.


Pretty much this.

When they stop condemning family planning in the poorest areas of the world that would benefit the most from it, clean house with regard to financial malpractice and sex abuse, and start selling off the obscene amount of material wealth they've accumulated that would make Jesus rage if he were alive to see it, then maybe I'll start liking the church.
 
2013-11-05 07:09:53 PM
Religious watchers said the 39 questions were unusual because of their non-judgemental, practical nature

When something you do is unusual because it is non-judgmental and practical, you have a problem

But, good on them for slowly starting to improve.
 
2013-11-05 07:13:02 PM
From the article: Pope Francis has shown a more open style since being elected in March and a desire to bring the Catholic Church more in touch with the lives of ordinary people, although experts say he is unlikely to bring about major changes in doctrine.

Isn't that the entire concept of magic hat?

Since the church said that the Holy Father cannot be wrong on matters of faith or of Catholic doctrine, and (as a result of former Holy Father Ratzinger stepping down rather than passing away) the ability to speak directly with the highest of all beings is predicated on he who shall wear the triple crown of the church. Francis could very literally say "Throw out the following ideas. They are wrong, and this is what the actual intent means." I don't think he'll do it since anything radical would get undone by his successor, as opposed to changes supported by a consensus of the Bishops.

That being said, I like the guy and I'm not a Christian. If he can get serious bureaucratic reforms done and honestly address the church's culpability in the child abuse issue (and perhaps set a foundation for a slightly more open priesthood - "Don't care which way the barn door swings, because you don't get use it anyway"), I would have no problem giving this one a fast pass to sainthood.
 
2013-11-05 07:13:19 PM

ClavellBCMI: Cagey B: At this point, how can anyone not want to have his babies?

Mainly because this, like pretty much everything else that he's done, is window dressing that allows people to get the warm fuzzies about the church without actually changing doctrine or widespread practice.

Good for him, I guess, that he's asking about the existence of same-sex couples without including the line "and I codemn thee to HELL!" in the questionnaire. You'll forgive me if I don't cream my drawers over how progressive an organization is that still doesn't recognize SSM and in fact actively campaigns against it.

Well... he *does* sorta have to follow this little thing called the Ten Commandments. Not that *I* agree with all 10 of them, but he *has* to, whether he would like to or not. This sort of puts him in a bind with regards to LGBT issues. If you can somehow convince the Catholic Church to throw out the Ten Commandments, more power to you. Just don't expect it to happen any time soon.


The Catholic Church really doesnt't harp on the Ten Commandments. Those are usually asshole Evangelicals.
 
2013-11-05 07:13:21 PM
ClavellBCMI:

Well... he *does* sorta have to follow this little thing called the Ten Commandments. Not that *I* agree with all 10 of them, but he *has* to, whether he would like to or not. This sort of puts him in a bind with regards to LGBT issues. If you can somehow convince the Catholic Church to throw out the Ten Commandments, more power to you. Just don't expect it to happen any time soon.


Nothing in the 10 commandments says anything about homosexuality. That's mostly Leviticus, which Christ started overturning during his ministry.

Matthew 15:11
It is not what enters into the mouth that defiles the man, but what proceeds out of the mouth, this defiles the man.

This is Christ himself talking, and I always thought this meant gay oral sex was OK as long as the "recipient" swallows.
 
2013-11-05 07:15:15 PM
Q: How would you like to re-arrange seats over here
 
2013-11-05 07:17:38 PM

fusillade762: What would the Pope's baby be called? Popeling?



Duke of Valentinois?
 
2013-11-05 07:17:42 PM

fusillade762: What would the Pope's baby be called? Popeling?


Popito
 
2013-11-05 07:18:36 PM
I wonder if Benedict regrets stepping down now.
 
2013-11-05 07:18:59 PM
A step in the right direction. Some good things coming from this guy so far, all considering.

/People change the church while the church changes the people.
 
2013-11-05 07:19:18 PM

rdu_voyager: ClavellBCMI:

Well... he *does* sorta have to follow this little thing called the Ten Commandments. Not that *I* agree with all 10 of them, but he *has* to, whether he would like to or not. This sort of puts him in a bind with regards to LGBT issues. If you can somehow convince the Catholic Church to throw out the Ten Commandments, more power to you. Just don't expect it to happen any time soon.


Nothing in the 10 commandments says anything about homosexuality. That's mostly Leviticus, which Christ started overturning during his ministry.

Matthew 15:11
It is not what enters into the mouth that defiles the man, but what proceeds out of the mouth, this defiles the man.

This is Christ himself talking, and I always thought this meant gay oral sex was OK as long as the "recipient" swallows.

All snark aside, that has fark all to do with the ten commandments
 
2013-11-05 07:20:42 PM

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Cagey B: Mainly because this, like pretty much everything else that he's done, is window dressing that allows people to get the warm fuzzies about the church without actually changing doctrine or widespread practice.

Pretty much this.

When they stop condemning family planning in the poorest areas of the world that would benefit the most from it, clean house with regard to financial malpractice and sex abuse, and start selling off the obscene amount of material wealth they've accumulated that would make Jesus rage if he were alive to see it, then maybe I'll start liking the church.


I feel that Francis is doing a good job of addressing the last two points.

I also am certain that I disagree with him about family planning and homosexuality.

But I can laud him for moving forward on the relatively easy stuff, while acknowledging that it's easy stuff. And cleaning house with regard to financial malpractice and sex abuse and refocusing the orientation towards accumulating wealth are the easy things.
 
2013-11-05 07:20:48 PM

WTFDYW: You go Mr. Pope. Be safe and stay alive.


Sadly, that's not going to happen. He's going to be killed by his own.
 
2013-11-05 07:24:44 PM
Do I want to have his babies? No.

I would suck his dick. But only live, on national TV.
 
2013-11-05 07:25:19 PM
POPE THREAD!
 
2013-11-05 07:25:22 PM

ClavellBCMI: Well... he *does* sorta have to follow this little thing called the Ten Commandments. Not that *I* agree with all 10 of them, but he *has* to, whether he would like to or not. This sort of puts him in a bind with regards to LGBT issues. If you can somehow convince the Catholic Church to throw out the Ten Commandments, more power to you. Just don't expect it to happen any time soon.


No, he doesn't "have to", sorta or otherwise. He has a mind and a will. It's understandably difficult to recognize bullshiat if you've been fed it since birth and made it a cornerstone of your life, but it's nothing that can't be done.

I am also less than impressed about him being less of a monster than everyone else who's had his job title before. He does seem to be much less of a monster, but I expect he'd find that unsatisfyingly faint praise too.
 
2013-11-05 07:26:03 PM
CINO.
 
2013-11-05 07:27:42 PM

fusillade762: What would the Pope's baby be called? Popeling?


Popelette?  Popepuppy?  Popey?  Popeson?
 
2013-11-05 07:28:39 PM
Makes you want to become a Christian!
 
2013-11-05 07:28:51 PM

Dragonflew: WTFDYW: You go Mr. Pope. Be safe and stay alive.

Sadly, that's not going to happen. He's going to be killed by his own.


There's a reason he prepares his own food and doesn't sleep or eat in the Papal Apartments.  It has nothing to do with humility or "poverty of spirit".
 
2013-11-05 07:29:23 PM
Cerebral Knievel:

All snark aside, that has fark all to do with the ten commandments

Which was the point I was making as well. With a helluva lotta snark thrown in.
 
2013-11-05 07:29:26 PM

baconbeard: Makes you want to become a Christian!


Um... no.  No, it doesn't.
 
2013-11-05 07:29:43 PM

gnosis301: The Catholic Church really doesnt't harp on the Ten Commandments. Those are usually asshole Evangelicals.


This.

I remember hearing the Beatitudes being far far more emphasized than the Ten Commandments.

Except that one stupid reading in, I think, Matthew where "if you look at a woman with lust in your eyes you might as well have slept with her and committed adultery in your heart".  That one always irritated the f--k out of me, since (my younger self interpretation) was that self control didn't matter.  My older self kind of realizes that you have some control over it, and that creepy leery eyed guys suck.  But that reading definitely had that Ten Commandments vibe.

In any case, godspeed, Pope Francis.

Please don't die soon

Haters: it's getting old.  Progress is being made, and the church is huge both in numbers and geographically.  Gradual change, IMHO, is the best way to go - and the most concrete step he's taken so far is cleaning up the bank which was something that needed to be done but that the clergy simply couldn't object to.  To be fair, the clergy shouldn't f--king be able to object to dealing with sexual abuse and setting things in place to rectify the f--ked up situation.  But that's far more complicated, and I wouldn't be incredibly disappointed if gears aren't being turned so that is the end goal.  Everything I've seen so far seems to say it is.

Everything that is less black and white and more emotional will take time, and what seems like just "sounding good" to you is like a slight slip of a platonic plate creating a earthquake to plenty of folks in the church as a whole.  Yes, there needs to be more drastic change.  But I really can't argue with the slow and steady approach right now.
 
2013-11-05 07:31:05 PM

baconbeard: Makes you want to become a Christian!


Let's not get crazy. Makes you not want to feed all Christians to lions, maybe.
 
2013-11-05 07:32:42 PM
The bishops and cardinals SHOULD use the survey to listen to their parishioners on these various issues. What I expect to see is the Bishops and Cardinals to use the survey results as a list for telling us Catholics what we're all wrong about.

I'm so liberal a Catholic, I'm practically a Lutheran. If doesn't jibe with the Commandments and the new testament, particularly Matthew, I really don' wanna hear aboud it. The Old Testament ideas of  crapping on the poor, on the sick, on women, on gays... that has to be out behind the Church in the past.  The cardinals have really lost touch on the issue of charity and vows of poverty.  Francis is the most exciting thing to happen to the Church since JP II first came on the scene.  I would to see him kick off a Vatican III review and reformation that brings women even with men, and gays with straights, and capitalism with the poor.
 
2013-11-05 07:33:40 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Dragonflew: WTFDYW: You go Mr. Pope. Be safe and stay alive.

Sadly, that's not going to happen. He's going to be killed by his own.

There's a reason he prepares his own food and doesn't sleep or eat in the Papal Apartments.  It has nothing to do with humility or "poverty of spirit".


I have not thought of that. You may have a good catch there, BM.
 
2013-11-05 07:33:58 PM
The Pope doesn't want you to have his babies.
 
2013-11-05 07:34:53 PM
Why would I expect anything less than hate for this man from the majority of you farkers...before you jump all over his views of homosexuality...maybe you should have read the entire article...

FTFA: "when asked recently about his views on gays, he replied: "If someone is gay and seeks the Lord with good will, who am I to judge?""

But go ahead and demonize him. At least you still have Al Gore and John Stwart to idolize.
 
2013-11-05 07:34:59 PM

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Cagey B: Mainly because this, like pretty much everything else that he's done, is window dressing that allows people to get the warm fuzzies about the church without actually changing doctrine or widespread practice.

Pretty much this.

When they stop condemning family planning in the poorest areas of the world that would benefit the most from it, clean house with regard to financial malpractice and sex abuse, and start selling off the obscene amount of material wealth they've accumulated that would make Jesus rage if he were alive to see it, then maybe I'll start liking the church.


I don't understand the hatred for the church having large non-liquid assets. Most of that stuff was gifted to them, at minimum, 400 years ago and the Vatican is really opening their archives up to the scholars of the world. Selling their collection would be damn near impossible and do the world as worse service than being good stewards for it because a good chunk would get bought out and put in private collections. It also completely ignores the idea that the Vatican's worth CAN'T be priced and sold - what's the going rate for a building in Rome with a ceiling fresco painted by one of the greatest artists in history?

I get the populist outrage by having an old dude sit on a throne of gold and preach simplicity. It's hypocrisy at the most basic level, until one remembers that the gold throne is a cultural and historic treasure that does more good preserved for the public than melted into scrap. I'm not being snarky; I want to see your perspective. Please, enlighten me.
 
2013-11-05 07:35:46 PM
I don't agree with the institution but it seems possible some good can come out of his tenure, assuming he can survive long enough.
 
2013-11-05 07:35:59 PM

Cagey B: Mainly because this, like pretty much everything else that he's done, is window dressing that allows people to get the warm fuzzies about the church without actually changing doctrine or widespread practice.


Can you really expect a 2,000 year old institution with 1.214 billion members in 2,795 dioceses with 413,418 priests spread around the world to completely change a deeply ingrained position in only a few years?  (Source)

Keep up the pressure though, especially locally.
 
2013-11-05 07:37:26 PM

fusillade762: What would the Pope's baby be called? Popeling?


il papito
 
2013-11-05 07:37:48 PM

phansen: Cagey B: Mainly because this, like pretty much everything else that he's done, is window dressing that allows people to get the warm fuzzies about the church without actually changing doctrine or widespread practice.

Can you really expect a 2,000 year old institution with 1.214 billion members in 2,795 dioceses with 413,418 priests spread around the world to completely change a deeply ingrained position in only a few years?  (Source)

Keep up the pressure though, especially locally.


This.
 
2013-11-05 07:38:57 PM
Sounds like Catholic Taqiyya
 
2013-11-05 07:39:17 PM
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2013-11-05 07:40:55 PM

Shedim: The idealist in me is hoping that the Pope is gathering this onformation so he's got a better idea of what attitudes are currently prevalent in the church along with, importantly, the reasons behind them so he has a better idea of how to address the current inequalities within church doctrine. It would, ideally, be a prelude to actual reforms in the church to try and update it to modern social problems, to actually get the church back to whatit's meant to be doing.

Of course, it's probably not going to happen, but one can hope, right?


People seem to forget that Christianity curb stomped other religions by being as inclusive as possible. Though after the Protestant Reformation, the Catholicism part settled down to a monolithic conservative body, it retains the potential to once more go the inclusive route; this actually becomes more likely as other faiths (including atheism)  challenge it for membership, especially in an age where it can no longer control what organizations have a public voice through secular political means.

In short, the only surprising thing about this would be that it happens this early in a competitive cycle, not that it would happen at all.

/not a Catholic
 
2013-11-05 07:42:20 PM

fusillade762: [wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net image 625x520]


Never noticed this before... but that hat is very conveniently shaped.
 
2013-11-05 07:44:06 PM
It looks like Francis is not making the same mistakes the Clintons made with respect to 'fixing' an institution. The Clintons basically pushed some of their would-be allies to side with entrenched forces by pushing for change too forcefully/quickly.

Francis has a LOT of work to do, which unfortunately I doubt he can accomplish in the 20 or so years he might still be alive. Think about how hard it is to convince a higher up government employee (SES level) that they are/were wrong and need to do what you say, now imagine that the government employee is 60+ yrs old, been taught a certain thing their entire lives, and almost literally has a fiefdom, compared to the figurative fiefdoms that government employees can develop.
 
2013-11-05 07:45:23 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: baconbeard: Makes you want to become a Christian!

Um... no.  No, it doesn't.


Yes it does. In fact, I'm going out to get circumcised right now.
 
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