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(NewsBusters)   Okay, so Obama lied about being able to keep your insurance. But Bush lied more. So Obama's got that going for him. Which is nice   (newsbusters.org) divider line 181
    More: Dumbass, Bill Press, President Obama, obamacare, Persian Gulf War, Dear Leader, Pavlovian, war of aggression, health insurance  
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2013-11-05 05:30:12 PM  
Really, another one?
 
2013-11-05 05:30:59 PM  

dookdookdook: Really, another one?



Well, Benghazi wasn't sticking...
 
2013-11-05 05:31:46 PM  
I think this is what? Three?  Four?
 
2013-11-05 05:35:32 PM  
timujin: I think this is what? Three?  Four?

Got to give the derpers what they want.
 
2013-11-05 05:38:50 PM  
jaysus. how many farking threads are we going to have on this subject?
 
2013-11-05 05:40:09 PM  

FlashHarry: jaysus. how many farking threads are we going to have on this subject?


Palin -1
 
2013-11-05 05:43:48 PM  

2wolves: FlashHarry: jaysus. how many farking threads are we going to have on this subject?

Palin -1


Potatoe
 
2013-11-05 05:51:11 PM  
Do people really care about this?
 
2013-11-05 05:53:50 PM  
 
2013-11-05 05:57:43 PM  
Let it never be said that Fark isn't fair and balanced.

/hard to port
//hard to starboard
 
2013-11-05 06:01:13 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: Do people really care about this?


The thing is, they do care. Hugely.

It's such a tiny thing but it's possible that they have finally, FINALLY, uncovered something. And to them it's victory. To everyone normal it's a trivial detail but they've been aching so deep inside for so long for a ghazi or a gate that they'll take this ridiculous...thing and hug it and squeeze it and pet it and call it George.
 
2013-11-05 06:19:31 PM  
Check out the false flag on newsbusters
 
2013-11-05 06:20:11 PM  
four articles on this topic, every one of them lying about objective observable reality

nice work fark, good job yay
 
2013-11-05 06:22:22 PM  
I find it amazing that right wingers appear to be completely unaware politicians lie until now.
 
2013-11-05 06:26:50 PM  

Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: dookdookdook: Really, another one?


Well, Benghazi wasn't sticking...


This still isn't an impeachable offense.
 
2013-11-05 06:26:54 PM  

Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: 2wolves: FlashHarry: jaysus. how many farking threads are we going to have on this subject?

Palin -1

Potatoe


Taco!
 
2013-11-05 06:27:04 PM  

mediablitz: I find it amazing that right wingers appear to be completely unaware politicians lie until now.


"Our right-wing politicians never lie, but those left-wing politicians lie just as much."
 
2013-11-05 06:33:47 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: Do people really care about this?


Yes.
I have 4-5 people on Facebook who will not STFU about it. One relative insists on posting a youtube clip of Obama's original statement with statements such as "LIAR" and "FRAUD."

This is Obama's Bhenghazi-Katrina-Gate.

One person (another close relative) actually unfriended me and called and ripped into me because they posted a story about this, and I replied "I know, its almost like he told a lie and took us to war where thousands of americans were killed and wounded."

So yeah, there are some people really worked up over this because it validates every bad thing they have thought about Obama since the slaves were freed and allowed to vote.
 
2013-11-05 06:34:17 PM  
"Okay, 97% of you will be able to keep your insurance just as you like it, and 3% of you seem to like the fact you were being robbed.  Better now?"
 
2013-11-05 06:36:09 PM  
The consistent insistence that people liked their catastrophic only, high deductible, limited doctor visit, no copay plans is beyond retarded.
 
2013-11-05 06:37:05 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: Do people really care about this?


Yes, dammit! I was told I could keep my crappy insurance that I was paying too much for and would drop me if I made the slightest claim! Now I'll have to get insurance that covers more, costs me about the same, and can't drop me! OBAMMERS A LIAR! IMPEACH! IMPEACH!
 
2013-11-05 06:38:25 PM  
You can declare that lies are lies, but you have to consider the magnitude of the consequences.

Get back to me in a decade, and if Obamacare has wasted trillions, killed hundreds of thousands of people, and the website is still broken, I will absolutely consider voting for a Republican.
 
2013-11-05 06:41:21 PM  
Obama in his famous time machine...

Obama: Slaves, I convinced Lincoln to free you. Your lives will be much better now!

Rush's Great Grandfather: Millions of Americans have been made homeless and unemployed because of this plan! Who is this guy to tell Americans that they can't be slaves?
 
2013-11-05 06:44:00 PM  
It might be fun to run the Bush lies through the Obamaniac Super New Reality machine.

You know, Bush said x but he obviously meant y, followed by lengthy diversionary contortions and accusations of derpage, outrage and pledges to never vote for Bush again.

Just for fun.
 
2013-11-05 06:45:29 PM  
Nothing in the ACA forces your insurance company to drop your plan, provided that they're continuing to offer the same plan that you originally signed up for.  If they choose to make signficant alterations which disqualify the plan from grandfathering, then that is on them, not on the ACA
 
2013-11-05 06:46:12 PM  
Jesus Christ, this is too much, even for me...
 
2013-11-05 06:50:36 PM  

FlashHarry: jaysus. how many farking threads are we going to have on this subject?


As long as the fark left is willing to stand for this
 
2013-11-05 06:54:49 PM  
I don't care about idiots that thought they were going to be able to keep their insurance. Go buy some obamacare, stfu, vote Republican next time.
 
2013-11-05 06:56:36 PM  
love the comments!

 camp50•
This feels weird to be saying, but Timothy McVeigh tried to warn us.
There's a reason he picked April 19, 1995 as the day he walked away from that white van. It was 220 years to the day that the first shot was fired at Lexington & Concord, that the first shot was fired that started the first battle that started the United States.
 
2013-11-05 06:58:10 PM  
I honestly do care about this. if you're going to push a program which is going to affect me, tell me about it so I can farking prepare for it. "We're making insurance better, which may mean you need to buy a new plan." Okay, fine, I can accept that. But at least farking tell me.

Don't promise that I can keep my plan, so that I budget around and make the necessary concessions for it, then turn around and say "oh by the way, fark you you have to get a new plan."

i budget and plan my medical care around my deductibles and what my insurance won't cover. Sure, having preconditions covered means I don't have to budget for certain blood pressure and depression medications anymore, great. But that affects budgeting, that affects my taxes and what I can and can't deduct, and changes a lot for me, so I need to make the appropriate arrangements beforehand.

I think most people would feel the same: give me, say, a six-month warning that it's changing, I'm OK with it. i have time to figure something out. Don't just unceremoniously dump me from what I had thought I was going to be OK with and then have to scramble in order to pick up a new plan while trying to deal with rescheduling and handling incidental costs of medical care while i'm without coverage.

How does this NOT make some people a little ticked?
 
2013-11-05 06:58:46 PM  
Well, I used to have a smart phone before subby tricked me into clicking a Newsbusters link. Now it's a dumb phone. Thanks for nothing, jerk. Now excuse me while I go play Snake
 
2013-11-05 06:59:04 PM  

bulldg4life: The consistent insistence that people liked their catastrophic only, high deductible, limited doctor visit, no copay plans is beyond retarded.


Some people like champagne from crystal stemware, and some people like beer from red solo cups.

And, if you believe the talking heads on TV, apparently some people like to drink rancid milk out of a moldy boot.

// the people who actually *had* these plans are more than happy to get rid of them, but that doesn't disrupt the narrative.
 
2013-11-05 06:59:29 PM  

Kit Fister: I honestly do care about this. if you're going to push a program which is going to affect me, tell me about it so I can farking prepare for it. "We're making insurance better, which may mean you need to buy a new plan." Okay, fine, I can accept that. But at least farking tell me.

Don't promise that I can keep my plan, so that I budget around and make the necessary concessions for it, then turn around and say "oh by the way, fark you you have to get a new plan."

i budget and plan my medical care around my deductibles and what my insurance won't cover. Sure, having preconditions covered means I don't have to budget for certain blood pressure and depression medications anymore, great. But that affects budgeting, that affects my taxes and what I can and can't deduct, and changes a lot for me, so I need to make the appropriate arrangements beforehand.

I think most people would feel the same: give me, say, a six-month warning that it's changing, I'm OK with it. i have time to figure something out. Don't just unceremoniously dump me from what I had thought I was going to be OK with and then have to scramble in order to pick up a new plan while trying to deal with rescheduling and handling incidental costs of medical care while i'm without coverage.

How does this NOT make some people a little ticked?


Because Bush lied
 
2013-11-05 07:00:50 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: Do people really care about this?


Count the number of comments and page clicks on the previous threads and put those numbers in your wee head and see if you can figure it out.
 
2013-11-05 07:01:11 PM  
news busters is a bunch of fat cat libs that wanna act like they're fox news but their logo is blue and orange so they're farkin retarded just based off of that and you libs really need to stop flooding the submissions with 40000 news busters links a day in the hopes that one gets through cuz i'm tired of looking at that piece of shiat logo
 
2013-11-05 07:01:55 PM  

bulldg4life: The consistent insistence that people liked their catastrophic only, high deductible, limited doctor visit, no copay plans is beyond retarded.


Far,  far beyond retarded.

imageshack.us
 
2013-11-05 07:04:41 PM  

falcon176: news busters is a bunch of fat cat libs that wanna act like they're fox news but their logo is blue and orange so they're farkin retarded just based off of that and you libs really need to stop flooding the submissions with 40000 news busters links a day in the hopes that one gets through cuz i'm tired of looking at that piece of shiat logo


Blue and orange was once a proud color combination.

/let's go mets!
//someday
 
2013-11-05 07:05:52 PM  
Well of course he lied. If you could keep your private plan what would be the point?
 
2013-11-05 07:06:55 PM  

The Larch: bulldg4life: The consistent insistence that people liked their catastrophic only, high deductible, limited doctor visit, no copay plans is beyond retarded.

Some people like champagne from crystal stemware, and some people like beer from red solo cups.

And, if you believe the talking heads on TV, apparently some people like to drink rancid milk out of a moldy boot.

// the people who actually *had* these plans are more than happy to get rid of them, but that doesn't disrupt the narrative.


They were affordable plans. Now their insurance is going to be a lot more expensive. But they are "rich" so they can afford it.
 
2013-11-05 07:08:08 PM  

itcamefromschenectady: You can declare that lies are lies, but you have to consider the magnitude of the consequences.

Get back to me in a decade, and if Obamacare has wasted trillions, killed hundreds of thousands of people, and the website is still broken, I will absolutely consider voting for a Republican.


You may get your wish.
 
2013-11-05 07:09:03 PM  
Obama said those things. Those things turned out to be lies. If only he had something that he could use that would allow him to go back and not say those things. Oh, I know!

i301.photobucket.com
 
2013-11-05 07:16:38 PM  
Let's get this out of the way:

(e) Definition- In this title, the term 'grandfathered health plan' means any group health plan or health insurance coverage to which this section applies.

(1) IN GENERAL- Nothing in this Act (or an amendment made by this Act) shall be construed to require that an individual terminate coverage under a group health plan or health insurance coverage in which such individual was enrolled on the date of enactment of this Act.

(2) CONTINUATION OF COVERAGE- With respect to a group health plan or health insurance coverage in which an individual was enrolled on the date of enactment of this Act, this subtitle and subtitle A (and the amendments made by such subtitles) shall not apply to such plan or coverage, regardless of whether the individual renews such coverage after such date of enactment.

and

"When I say if you have your plan and you like it,...or you have a doctor and you like your doctor, that you don't have to change plans, what I'm saying is the government is not going to make you change plans under health reform,"
the President said (in June of 2009).
 
2013-11-05 07:17:18 PM  

Nemo's Brother: FlashHarry: jaysus. how many farking threads are we going to have on this subject?

As long as the fark left is willing to stand for this


Willing to stand for this? Do you honestly believe that more than 99.5% of people losing their current insurance are going to have better insurance?

I support this provision. If the insurance companies wanted to keep selling these plans they wouldn't have changed them. End of story
 
2013-11-05 07:17:29 PM  
I'm constantly amazed at how many right-wing farkers fall into the 3% that now have a larger insurance premium and don't qualify for subsidies.

So odd
 
2013-11-05 07:18:12 PM  

GTATL: Nemo's Brother: FlashHarry: jaysus. how many farking threads are we going to have on this subject?

As long as the fark left is willing to stand for this

Willing to stand for this? Do you honestly believe that more than 99.5% of people losing their current insurance are going to have better insurance?

I support this provision. If the insurance companies wanted to keep selling these plans they wouldn't have changed them. End of story


*Meant less than 99.5%
 
2013-11-05 07:18:33 PM  
Can Obama have said or done something that wouldn't criticized by the right? We are talking about a group that attacked his condiment choice on nationally syndicated programs.

What Obama said was true for the majority, and has been pointed out (unintentionally) by Fox News's efforts, the people that do have to change their plans didn't have anything resembling insurance to begin with, have a new plan so similar it makes no difference, or for a near negligible amount more get much greater coverage.'
Saying Obama isn't 100% accurate is fine, but you can't call him a liar based on the testimony of someone whose previous insurance plan did not cover hospital stays. That wasn't an insurance plan, that was a scam.
It's like saying we didn't win WW2 because some Nazis survived. It's insane, but it's all the right has anymore.
 
2013-11-05 07:18:43 PM  

Crabs_Can_Polevault: bulldg4life: The consistent insistence that people liked their catastrophic only, high deductible, limited doctor visit, no copay plans is beyond retarded.

Far,  far beyond retarded.


It's true. In fact, they hated it so much they kept paying for it even though they would not be penalized for not doing so. The President lied, boys. Perhaps if you guys stopped flipping our about it these threads would become less popular and they would no longer be greenlit?
 
2013-11-05 07:22:50 PM  
How many articles on this same thing in one day? Someone is sitting on an absolute fark-ton of butthurt around here.

Oh well, here's to you, whoever you are!  =)
(some NSFW lyrics)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCQGQ5qBQTA
 
2013-11-05 07:24:07 PM  

Kit Fister: How does this NOT make some people a little ticked?


If you're stupid enough to have believed that the President was promising that the government would forcibly prevent private companies from making private decisions to alter or discontinue the private insurance plans they offer, then honestly, you probably deserve whatever hardships you're going through.
 
2013-11-05 07:26:11 PM  

spelletrader: Let's get this out of the way:

(e) Definition- In this title, the term 'grandfathered health plan' means any group health plan or health insurance coverage to which this section applies.

(1) IN GENERAL- Nothing in this Act (or an amendment made by this Act) shall be construed to require that an individual terminate coverage under a group health plan or health insurance coverage in which such individual was enrolled on the date of enactment of this Act.

(2) CONTINUATION OF COVERAGE- With respect to a group health plan or health insurance coverage in which an individual was enrolled on the date of enactment of this Act, this subtitle and subtitle A (and the amendments made by such subtitles) shall not apply to such plan or coverage, regardless of whether the individual renews such coverage after such date of enactment.

and

"When I say if you have your plan and you like it,...or you have a doctor and you like your doctor, that you don't have to change plans, what I'm saying is the government is not going to make you change plans under health reform,"the President said (in June of 2009).


Nothing in the ACA forces your insurance company to drop your plan, provided that they're continuing to offer the same plan that you originally signed up for.  If they choose to make significant alterations which disqualify the plan from grandfathering, then that is on them, not on the ACA
 
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