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(BBC)   Chelsea vs. Schalke, Barcelona vs. AC Milan, and Arsenal travels to the fortress known as Westfalenstadion to play Borussia Dortmund. It's the halfway point of the group stages. THIS is your Champions League thread   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 84
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2013-11-05 02:48:41 PM  
Bayern is losing control of the ball already :S
 
2013-11-05 02:52:24 PM  
United team selection looks old and slow. I'm hoping they surprise me, but this has the feel of Moyes being too conservative away from home against the weakest team in the group.
 
2013-11-05 02:54:54 PM  
Well, that didn't take long: Man City ahead already.
 
2013-11-05 03:15:07 PM  
NOW ADDED TO THE LIST OF PEOPLE ANGRY WITH FIFA FOR THEIR WINTER-WORLD-CUP PROPOSAL:

The IOC. A winter-2022 Cup would put the World Cup right on top of the Winter Olympics. Their new president, Thomas Bach, is rather pissed at the prospect of timeslot competition.
 
2013-11-05 03:15:33 PM  
Did you see that ludicrous display last night?
 
2013-11-05 03:22:22 PM  
Pilzen are looking a lot tougher than last time, they're determined to score. I won't be surprised if they pull off an early lead here.
 
2013-11-05 03:29:52 PM  

Gosling: NOW ADDED TO THE LIST OF PEOPLE ANGRY WITH FIFA FOR THEIR WINTER-WORLD-CUP PROPOSAL:

The IOC. A winter-2022 Cup would put the World Cup right on top of the Winter Olympics. Their new president, Thomas Bach, is rather pissed at the prospect of timeslot competition.


How this was not addressed in the bid selection process is a mystery to me. Or did FIFA really believe that there would be artificial clouds and air-conditioned stadiums?
 
2013-11-05 03:45:28 PM  

czetie: Gosling: NOW ADDED TO THE LIST OF PEOPLE ANGRY WITH FIFA FOR THEIR WINTER-WORLD-CUP PROPOSAL:

The IOC. A winter-2022 Cup would put the World Cup right on top of the Winter Olympics. Their new president, Thomas Bach, is rather pissed at the prospect of timeslot competition.

How this was not addressed in the bid selection process is a mystery to me. Or did FIFA really believe that there would be artificial clouds and air-conditioned stadiums?


Well you see, when you get enough bribe money to get high from now until you die, you tend to ignore the details. Like the fact the tournament belongs in July.
 
2013-11-05 03:46:33 PM  

Gosling: NOW ADDED TO THE LIST OF PEOPLE ANGRY WITH FIFA FOR THEIR WINTER-WORLD-CUP PROPOSAL:

The IOC. A winter-2022 Cup would put the World Cup right on top of the Winter Olympics. Their new president, Thomas Bach, is rather pissed at the prospect of timeslot competition.


And the winter sports federations (skiing, figure skating, etc.) don't want the start of their 2022-23 seasons stomped on by a late autumn WC. And the IOC could always hold soccer's spot in the Summer Olympics hostage in the discussion.

/Yeah, Olympic soccer doesn't matter much
//But it would be a big deal if they tried to dump soccer like they did with wrestling earlier this year
 
2013-11-05 03:47:04 PM  
And looking at the Madrid game I'm torn. We're losing, but Casillas has looked great. Maybe Ancelotti will finally just hand him the starting role for all competitions. He shouldn't be in the bench.
 
2013-11-05 03:48:20 PM  

czetie: How this was not addressed in the bid selection process is a mystery to me. Or did FIFA really believe that there would be artificial clouds and air-conditioned stadiums?


FIFA believes the world will just bow down to them no matter what. They're just completely tone deaf. These are people who looked at class riots in Brazil over the cost of the Confederations Cup never mind the World Cup, and decided that the best course of action was to announce the official champagne of the World Cup.
 
2013-11-05 03:50:59 PM  
CSKA fans are a bunch of thugs? I did Nazi this coming
https://twitter.com/SamRoscoe/status/397808590947647488/photo/1
 
2013-11-05 03:54:43 PM  

desertgeek: And the winter sports federations (skiing, figure skating, etc.) don't want the start of their 2022-23 seasons stomped on by a late autumn WC. And the IOC could always hold soccer's spot in the Summer Olympics hostage in the discussion.


The funny thing is, soccer would actually be an EASY sport to justify dumping, based purely on logistics concerns. It's the only sport of the Games that has to be spread out across the entire host nation, as opposed to all the other sports, which can be contained in or near the host city. And soccer has to get started two days before the Opening Ceremony in order to fit it in. It's completely disconcerting to have, say, the London Olympics kick off with an unlit torch overseeing a match in Cardiff.
 
2013-11-05 03:56:27 PM  
Cristiano's on a goddamn roll. Tied the game up.
 
2013-11-05 03:58:12 PM  

Gosling: desertgeek: And the winter sports federations (skiing, figure skating, etc.) don't want the start of their 2022-23 seasons stomped on by a late autumn WC. And the IOC could always hold soccer's spot in the Summer Olympics hostage in the discussion.

The funny thing is, soccer would actually be an EASY sport to justify dumping, based purely on logistics concerns. It's the only sport of the Games that has to be spread out across the entire host nation, as opposed to all the other sports, which can be contained in or near the host city. And soccer has to get started two days before the Opening Ceremony in order to fit it in. It's completely disconcerting to have, say, the London Olympics kick off with an unlit torch overseeing a match in Cardiff.


Hell, didn't FIFA force the rule mandating that most of the players be under-23s, just to make it so that the quality would be inferior?
 
2013-11-05 04:06:06 PM  
After foreeeever, Mandzukic is subbed on and scores a header! Bayern 1-0

Did not see this game going this way.
 
2013-11-05 04:06:19 PM  
Manszukic. What a header.
 
2013-11-05 04:10:03 PM  
Anderlecht leads PSG
 
2013-11-05 04:12:15 PM  
Madrid's defense can't hold a lead it seems. Varane gets lost during a cross and the game gets tied up again.
 
2013-11-05 04:21:18 PM  
oH GOD, HOW DO YOU fark THAT UP?
 
2013-11-05 04:27:03 PM  
I guess that was some weird kind of justice. Young dives, RvP misses the penalty.
 
2013-11-05 04:28:27 PM  

Princip's Sandwich: And looking at the Madrid game I'm torn. We're losing, but Casillas has looked great. Maybe Ancelotti will finally just hand him the starting role for all competitions. He shouldn't be in the bench.


No offence to you but I find this sentiment about casillas from Madrid fans pretty annoying. When mourinho benched him he was vilified for choosing the starting lineup to satisfy his own vendettas rather than in the best interest of the team. Despite the fact that most pundits agreed that casillas was having a poor season. Then ancelotti comes in and chooses lopez as well. Seems to me that the opinions of two world-class coaches on the form of their goalies who they see in training should have more clout than whatever feuding/drama stories made up by Marca, etc.

/all that being said, Casillas is having a great game
 
2013-11-05 04:31:27 PM  

Sachbash: Princip's Sandwich: And looking at the Madrid game I'm torn. We're losing, but Casillas has looked great. Maybe Ancelotti will finally just hand him the starting role for all competitions. He shouldn't be in the bench.

No offence to you but I find this sentiment about casillas from Madrid fans pretty annoying. When mourinho benched him he was vilified for choosing the starting lineup to satisfy his own vendettas rather than in the best interest of the team. Despite the fact that most pundits agreed that casillas was having a poor season. Then ancelotti comes in and chooses lopez as well. Seems to me that the opinions of two world-class coaches on the form of their goalies who they see in training should have more clout than whatever feuding/drama stories made up by Marca, etc.

/all that being said, Casillas is having a great game


It might be sentimentalism in my case, I won't deny it. Casillas has always been 1-2 with Raul for my favorite player of all time. As for their opinions, Marca did a piece on Ancelotti. Ancelotti prefers taller 'keepers, and Lopez has a couple of inches on him. Mourinho dropped him after the injury.
 
2013-11-05 04:35:27 PM  
Fellaini once again making Moyes look foolish for buying him, smart for hardly ever starting him.
 
2013-11-05 04:37:50 PM  
Well, a 2-2 draw makes it rather easy to progress. I just wish our defense could keep a lead.
 
2013-11-05 04:39:45 PM  

Princip's Sandwich: Sachbash: Princip's Sandwich: And looking at the Madrid game I'm torn. We're losing, but Casillas has looked great. Maybe Ancelotti will finally just hand him the starting role for all competitions. He shouldn't be in the bench.

No offence to you but I find this sentiment about casillas from Madrid fans pretty annoying. When mourinho benched him he was vilified for choosing the starting lineup to satisfy his own vendettas rather than in the best interest of the team. Despite the fact that most pundits agreed that casillas was having a poor season. Then ancelotti comes in and chooses lopez as well. Seems to me that the opinions of two world-class coaches on the form of their goalies who they see in training should have more clout than whatever feuding/drama stories made up by Marca, etc.

/all that being said, Casillas is having a great game

It might be sentimentalism in my case, I won't deny it. Casillas has always been 1-2 with Raul for my favorite player of all time. As for their opinions, Marca did a piece on Ancelotti. Ancelotti prefers taller 'keepers, and Lopez has a couple of inches on him. Mourinho dropped him after the injury.


Fair enough. I'm a big fan of both players as well, classy guys they are. It just seemed to me that the club and fans relations with mourinho blew up over the casillas issue, and for all his faults, I don't think this was one of them
 
2013-11-05 04:42:12 PM  

Sachbash: Princip's Sandwich: Sachbash: Princip's Sandwich: And looking at the Madrid game I'm torn. We're losing, but Casillas has looked great. Maybe Ancelotti will finally just hand him the starting role for all competitions. He shouldn't be in the bench.

No offence to you but I find this sentiment about casillas from Madrid fans pretty annoying. When mourinho benched him he was vilified for choosing the starting lineup to satisfy his own vendettas rather than in the best interest of the team. Despite the fact that most pundits agreed that casillas was having a poor season. Then ancelotti comes in and chooses lopez as well. Seems to me that the opinions of two world-class coaches on the form of their goalies who they see in training should have more clout than whatever feuding/drama stories made up by Marca, etc.

/all that being said, Casillas is having a great game

It might be sentimentalism in my case, I won't deny it. Casillas has always been 1-2 with Raul for my favorite player of all time. As for their opinions, Marca did a piece on Ancelotti. Ancelotti prefers taller 'keepers, and Lopez has a couple of inches on him. Mourinho dropped him after the injury.

Fair enough. I'm a big fan of both players as well, classy guys they are. It just seemed to me that the club and fans relations with mourinho blew up over the casillas issue, and for all his faults, I don't think this was one of them


I don't fault Mourinho for that as much as his game-killing tactics. He only played hard when he was losing. It drove me nuts. Best game I saw Madrid play with him had Casillas ejected before 4 minutes went by. Played hard with 10 men and won.
 
2013-11-05 04:57:22 PM  

czetie: Fellaini once again making Moyes look foolish for buying him, smart for hardly ever starting him.


THIS.  Flog him, Young, Nani, Smalling and put Ferdinand out to pasture.  Also, I love Giggsy.  I remember thinking Lee Sharpe was going to be a great player for us and how dare Fergie sub him for some skinny, curly tosser.  I don't think I've ever enjoyed being wrong more.  However, time catches up with us all and it finally has done with Giggsy.  He just does not have the speed any more, and I don't mean just his pace.  He's constantly being robbed of possession or not completing passes.  I think it's time, and it makes me sad to say it.
 
2013-11-05 05:03:15 PM  

czetie: I guess that was some weird kind of justice. Young dives, RvP misses the penalty.


One of the worst, least convincing dives I've ever seen rewarded.
 
2013-11-05 05:06:14 PM  

Gosling: desertgeek: And the winter sports federations (skiing, figure skating, etc.) don't want the start of their 2022-23 seasons stomped on by a late autumn WC. And the IOC could always hold soccer's spot in the Summer Olympics hostage in the discussion.

The funny thing is, soccer would actually be an EASY sport to justify dumping, based purely on logistics concerns. It's the only sport of the Games that has to be spread out across the entire host nation, as opposed to all the other sports, which can be contained in or near the host city. And soccer has to get started two days before the Opening Ceremony in order to fit it in. It's completely disconcerting to have, say, the London Olympics kick off with an unlit torch overseeing a match in Cardiff.


Get used to that. Next year's Games begin a day before the Opening Ceremony because of a new figure skating event.
 
2013-11-05 07:38:24 PM  
Gosling
The funny thing is, soccer would actually be an EASY sport to justify dumping, based purely on logistics concerns. It's the only sport of the Games that has to be spread out across the entire host nation, as opposed to all the other sports, which can be contained in or near the host city. And soccer has to get started two days before the Opening Ceremony in order to fit it in


The logistic concerns are probably intentional (read: will be suffered because doing it this was makes more money ):

Unless pitch quality is a concern, I suspect soccer is being spread out simply because it's big enough that it will still sell tickets and fill hotel beds outside the hosting city.
If you want to fit it into the host city and schedule instead of maximizing revenue, you could easily treat it like other sports and sell day passes instead of match tickets and then have 4-5 games in succession at the same stadium each day. Thing is, you probably won't be able to sell those day passes for 4-5 times the price of single match tickets and the atmosphere might be different with lots of "neutral" fans or empty seats when people are only coming for one or two of the games.
 
2013-11-06 01:35:51 PM  
TODAY'S SCHEDULE

Currently underway: Zenit St. Petersburg 1-1 FC Porto, 78th minute

FSN: Ajax/Celtic
FS1/Fox Deportes: FC Barcelona/AC Milan
FS2: Borussia Dortmund/Arsenal
Fox Sports Plus: Chelsea/FC Schalke 04

DirecTV only: Napoli/Marseille, Atletico Madrid/Austria Wien, FC Basel/Steuea Bucuresti
 
2013-11-06 02:22:58 PM  
Was listening to the Porto match at work until about the 75th. Was sounding pretty much like Porto was rocking but just kept farking up, they did block a penalty though.
 
2013-11-06 02:42:35 PM  
I'll actually be able to watch some matches today! Yay!
 
2013-11-06 02:43:52 PM  
I hate days like these....which would be the best game to watch?  I can only catch one at work...
 
2013-11-06 02:48:18 PM  
All right, let's do this, Arsenal
 
2013-11-06 02:48:37 PM  
Stuck in San Ramon with no access to a TV. Let's do this, Gunners
 
2013-11-06 02:55:28 PM  
Mr_H
I hate days like these....which would be the best game to watch? I can only catch one at work...


I would watch Dortmund-Arsenal, even if it weren't the only game that's on TV here.
Good teams and likely more action as e.g. the grass chess I would expect from Milan-Barca.
 
2013-11-06 02:58:44 PM  
Also, with Dortmund, Arsenal and Napoli tied with six points, a result between two of those three is kinda important.
 
2013-11-06 02:58:52 PM  

The Voice of Doom: Mr_H
I hate days like these....which would be the best game to watch? I can only catch one at work...

I would watch Dortmund-Arsenal, even if it weren't the only game that's on TV here.
Good teams and likely more action as e.g. the grass chess I would expect from Milan-Barca.


Opted to that one...I have the Milan-Barca match recording at home, so at least I get to see two games this way (well except the last 15 minutes, but nothing exciting happens in the last 15, right?)
 
2013-11-06 03:07:08 PM  
And in surprising news, Marseille are ahead 1-0.
 
2013-11-06 03:07:26 PM  
Arsenal's one-touch passing is looking good, but they're struggling dealing with Dortmund's press. Dortmund definitely looks like the more dangerous team.
 
2013-11-06 03:09:30 PM  

Princip's Sandwich: And in surprising news, Marseille are ahead 1-0.


I'm okay with this.

Damn, missed the yellow on Arteta
 
2013-11-06 03:13:48 PM  

Princip's Sandwich: And in surprising news, Marseille are ahead 1-0.


Sweet
 
2013-11-06 03:17:14 PM  

Princip's Sandwich: And in surprising news, Marseille are ahead 1-0.


Well that escalated quickly. Napoli flipped the score within a minute. 2-1 Napoli now.
 
2013-11-06 03:18:26 PM  
Word is that some Napoli fans attacked the Marseilles team bus

http://www.football-italia.net/41459/napoli-fans-attack-om-bus
 
2013-11-06 03:22:20 PM  

Princip's Sandwich: Princip's Sandwich: And in surprising news, Marseille are ahead 1-0.

Well that escalated quickly. Napoli flipped the score within a minute. 2-1 Napoli now.


Disappointing, but not surprising.
 
2013-11-06 03:24:19 PM  
Arteta is getting worrisome. We can't afford to sub him, but a red would be a disaster
 
2013-11-06 03:32:15 PM  
I hope Arteta gets sent off early in the second half, that would be funny to me haha.
 
2013-11-06 03:34:11 PM  

Sachbash: Arteta is getting worrisome. We can't afford to sub him, but a red would be a disaster


Completely agree. It's going to be a nervy second half
 
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