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(Newsweek)   As you break into another pint of ice cream and ignore your mom's phone call again, girls in Kyrgyzstan can't even walk around outside without being dragged off the street to get married   (newsweek.com) divider line 46
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2013-11-05 03:37:49 PM
5 votes:

The My Little Pony Killer: The quote by the elderly couple is priceless.


Agreed.

And Newsweek published something actually interesting and revealing.  That's... surprising these days.

Also,

s.newsweek.com

Farida clings closely to her brother, who has arrived to rescue her. He tells the female relatives: "If my sister wants to stay here, I won't stop her. But look at her, she is crying and is saying that she wants to leave. So I will take her back home." Eventually he was able to leave with her. A few weeks later, Farida married her original boyfriend. Noriko Hayahi/Panos

YOU GO BROTHER.
2013-11-05 03:13:02 PM
5 votes:
After hours of struggle, around 84% of kidnapped women end up agreeing to the nuptials. (The rest manage to get back home.) The kidnapee's parents often also pressure the girl, as once she has entered her kidnapper's home she is considered to be no longer pure, making it shameful for her to return home. In order to avoid disgrace, many women tend to remain with their kidnappers.

I'm so tired of Homo sapiens. It's time for the squid people to rise.
2013-11-05 03:47:21 PM
4 votes:
As the grandparents described it was a cute planned elopement. A strange but cute tradition like in Southwest China where the bride cries during the wedding. From what I read it is to symbolize her being sad to leave her father's family, a sign of respect. It's disturbing that this cultural strange but cute tradition is being used to forcibly abduct women, and then essentially slut-shame them into accepting the proposal.
2013-11-05 03:39:55 PM
4 votes:

NutWrench: Russ1642: Sometime in the future they'll be complaining about the loss of their culture. Maybe some cultural traditions deserve to get wiped out.

This. Some cultures aren't just "different" from other cultures. They're *worse*


FTFA

This elderly Kyrgyz couple got married by kidnapping in September of 1954. Eshen, 83, and his wife Tursun, 82, said, "We don't like the modern way of bride-kidnapping. When we were young, it was consensual kidnapping. We knew each other well and exchanged love letters before kidnapping. Nowadays, young people violently kidnap women and this is not our tradition."
2013-11-05 03:20:55 PM
4 votes:
I was going to make a Borat joke, but I'm sorry- this is just too totally and completely farked up to even do that. I'm surprised there wasn't more about the boyfriends of the kidnappees going on shooting sprees at the 'groom's' house after these weddings...

I'm sorry, but if your 'culture' has made it acceptable to kidnap a random woman off the street and force her into marrying you against her will, it probably deserves to be nuked from orbit.
2013-11-05 05:30:14 PM
3 votes:

Wook: As Americans, we should manufacture moral outrage and then:

1)  Impose our righteous will on them
2)  Intervene militarily
3)  Beat our moral system into them until they are dead.


It looks like you think it's ok to kidnap women and force them into marriages.
2013-11-05 04:59:44 PM
3 votes:

FarkingReading: Meanwhile, in America, I am one of countless men fighting as hard as I can to keep the shackles of marriage off of me.

If my buddies could kidnap me and keep me from my girlfriend, that might be a fun weekend.

But I'm not doing it under the auspices of a bachelor party to sacrifice my freedom on every subsequent day.


You know... you don't have to date your girlfriend, right? You can always go out and find a new one.
Marriage should be entered into willingly, and if you're hanging around being a power mongering douche, then she can't do what she wants to - find someone willing to marry her. Jerk.
2013-11-05 04:00:19 PM
3 votes:

Chinchillazilla: See, I could kind of get behind it if it's consensual. If the girl is obviously on board, it's kind of like a surprise party, and I can see it being actually fun to get fake-kidnapped by your boyfriend and go to get married.


The way the old couple described it and some of the language in the early part of the article made it sound like a way to get around asking your girlfriend's dad for consent or a way to speed along the wedding plans. Totes adorbs, actually.

Everything else in the article, though, is terrifying.
2013-11-05 08:28:34 PM
2 votes:

Wook: As Americans, we should manufacture moral outrage and then:

1)  Impose our righteous will on them
2)  Intervene militarily
3)  Beat our moral system into them until they are dead.


In what sane world is this sort of barbarism acceptable?  Go be "sensitive" somewhere else, ass.
2013-11-05 03:46:03 PM
2 votes:

StreetlightInTheGhetto: NutWrench: Russ1642: Sometime in the future they'll be complaining about the loss of their culture. Maybe some cultural traditions deserve to get wiped out.

This. Some cultures aren't just "different" from other cultures. They're *worse*

FTFA

This elderly Kyrgyz couple got married by kidnapping in September of 1954. Eshen, 83, and his wife Tursun, 82, said, "We don't like the modern way of bride-kidnapping. When we were young, it was consensual kidnapping. We knew each other well and exchanged love letters before kidnapping. Nowadays, young people violently kidnap women and this is not our tradition."


See, I could kind of get behind it if it's consensual. If the girl is obviously on board, it's kind of like a surprise party, and I can see it being actually fun to get fake-kidnapped by your boyfriend and go to get married.

/don't try this in America though
//some Good Samaritan might shoot you while you kidnap your bride
2013-11-05 03:31:15 PM
2 votes:
Sometime in the future they'll be complaining about the loss of their culture. Maybe some cultural traditions deserve to get wiped out.
2013-11-05 03:21:13 PM
2 votes:
Yeah I don't really get the use of the ironic tag here.  Scary?  Sick?  Most certainly.
2013-11-05 03:11:40 PM
2 votes:
That is pretty farked up.
2013-11-05 06:53:24 PM
1 votes:

AllUpInYa: gadian: Very, very rarely am I so glad that I had a son instead of a daughter.  Of course he'll have to deal with the typical male stuff, but female gender politics will be optional. Well, semi-optional. If he ever gets it into his head to vote against women's health or education, he'll get a boot to his ass courtesy of mom.

/never mind what'll happen to that boy if I ever even hear rumors that he's an abuser of some kind.

If my boy votes for womens' interests over his own, he will get a boot to the butt, courtesy of dad.
I raise him to be the best he can be, not succumb to someone else's self-interest.


So then we agree that the goal is equality and not oppression. And people say that men and women can't see eye to eye.
2013-11-05 06:29:05 PM
1 votes:
Very, very rarely am I so glad that I had a son instead of a daughter.  Of course he'll have to deal with the typical male stuff, but female gender politics will be optional. Well, semi-optional. If he ever gets it into his head to vote against women's health or education, he'll get a boot to his ass courtesy of mom.

/never mind what'll happen to that boy if I ever even hear rumors that he's an abuser of some kind.
2013-11-05 06:08:14 PM
1 votes:

forcebender: Worse part is the bride having to do the dishes on her own wedding day - that's rough!


Came here to say this. Kidnapped, forced to marry and have to do the dishes from the wedding? Insult to injury...
2013-11-05 05:32:20 PM
1 votes:

Carousel Beast: The population is 80% Muslim. They aren't concerned about women's rights.


Considering how poorly they treat women, I'm not surprised to learn the place is infested with moslem vermin.  I often wonder how much more peaceful the world world would be if there were no moslems infesting it.
2013-11-05 05:20:22 PM
1 votes:
FrancoFile:

Oh, don't get your panties in a wad.  They are neighboring countries, both former Soviet republics, similar ethnic/religious/cultural setup.  Buy a vowel, etc.

It's better than Austria-Australia.


zzrhardy:

I am so bad at geography that I though they were, like, right next to each other. And surrounded by a bunch of other 'Stans as well. Almost as if they were a "region" of sorts that had shared cultural roots or something.

Maybe you letters-reading people can help us trogladytes out and set the record straight.


Sure, they are similar and geographically close, but mixing them up so as to enable Borat jokes is the same as mistaking Tennessee for Kentucky just because they border and are similar. It wouldn't make you right, just ignorant, if you got all pissy when that was pointed out to you.
It just makes us look like we don't get taught world geography in school, oh...
But then my panties are obviously wadded for mentioning it, either that or maybe after twelve years I'm increasingly reluctant to put up with the bullshiat from the average poster on this increasingly farking shiat site.
/increasingly.
//twice
2013-11-05 05:17:51 PM
1 votes:

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: Bride stealing has been practiced in just about every culture in history, at some point in the past, from Ireland to India. You're going to need more nukes.


Well, the actual reality of bride-kidnapping in history is partly the hell this story describes, and partly like redstarr01 astutely noted - a handy way for consenting, eloping couples to do an end run around everything from familial objections to jilted exes. Exactly how consensual the custom is seems to vary from culture to culture and era to era.
2013-11-05 05:02:26 PM
1 votes:

Ashyukun: I was going to make a Borat joke, but I'm sorry- this is just too totally and completely farked up to even do that. I'm surprised there wasn't more about the boyfriends of the kidnappees going on shooting sprees at the 'groom's' house after these weddings...

I'm sorry, but if your 'culture' has made it acceptable to kidnap a random woman off the street and force her into marrying you against her will, it probably deserves to be nuked from orbit.


Bride stealing has been practiced in just about every culture in history, at some point in the past, from Ireland to India. You're going to need more nukes.

/it's actually kind of weird how common the tradition has been
2013-11-05 04:57:18 PM
1 votes:

ashinmytomatoes: worlddan: Wook: As Americans, we should manufacture moral outrage and then:

1)  Impose our righteous will on them
2)  Intervene militarily
3)  Beat our moral system into them until they are dead.

You missed the last part.

4. Adopt it when we are done and pretend its the greatest discovery known to man.

No. As a woman, I do feel a lot of outage over this and other horrible things that happen to women in these "cultures." Some cultures ARE better than other and some things should not be excused, especially not in 2013. I feel even more rage towards you guys and any other westerner that condones this sort of thing just to show their tolerance of other cultures. Some things should NOT be tolerated. Forced marriage, underage marriage, honor killings, female genital mutilation, and the like should be extinguished and not condoned.


As a dad of 3 girls I heartily agree
2013-11-05 04:45:15 PM
1 votes:

YoOjo: Are you all so bad at geography that you think Kyrgyzstan and Kazakhstan are the same place?


I am so bad at geography that I though they were, like, right next to each other. And surrounded by a bunch of other 'Stans as well. Almost as if they were a "region" of sorts that had shared cultural roots or something.

Maybe you letters-reading people can help us trogladytes out and set the record straight.
2013-11-05 04:34:52 PM
1 votes:

YoOjo: Are you all so bad at geography that you think Kyrgyzstan and Kazakhstan are the same place?
Borat was from Kazakhstan, not Krygyzstan.


Oh, don't get your panties in a wad.  They are neighboring countries, both former Soviet republics, similar ethnic/religious/cultural setup.  Buy a vowel, etc.

It's better than Austria-Australia.
2013-11-05 04:25:43 PM
1 votes:
It's sad that it used to be a cute token custom among couples who wanted to marry each other and has instead become true kidnapping. Is it a mostly Muslim country?
2013-11-05 04:25:12 PM
1 votes:

KatjaMouse: Chinchillazilla: See, I could kind of get behind it if it's consensual. If the girl is obviously on board, it's kind of like a surprise party, and I can see it being actually fun to get fake-kidnapped by your boyfriend and go to get married.

The way the old couple described it and some of the language in the early part of the article made it sound like a way to get around asking your girlfriend's dad for consent or a way to speed along the wedding plans. Totes adorbs, actually.

Everything else in the article, though, is terrifying.


I could see the original consensual tradition being a way of making marriages that weren't traditionally respectable enough pass for respectable enough,too.  Like if the bride's family didn't have enough money for the dowry, the groom could just "kidnap" her and then they wouldn't be expected to pay.  If the groom's family wasn't affluent or prestigious enough to be a proper match for a bride, she could just be "kidnapped" so she nor her family had to lose face and he wouldn't have to negotiate the blessing of her family. Or if the bride was pregnant ahead of schedule or by someone that she "shouldn't" have been getting knocked up by, instead of having to publicly acknowledge that the wedding needed to happen or needed pushed way up on the schedule, the bride could be "kidnapped" and move things right along with a lot less explanation.  Kidnapping could be the kind of tradition where folks know what's really up, but it gives them a culturally acceptable pass to be able to overlook things.

Or if there had already been an arranged or expected marriage match already made and the bride didn't want to marry that person and wanted to marry someone else instead, it could be a great way to overlook breaking the promise to the other guy or embarrassing him.  He wouldn't have to deal with it that his future bride totally bailed on him on purpose, afterall, she was "kidnapped" and then at that point she was impure anyhow, so they all just had to move on.  And the girl and her parents weren't shifty deal-breakers.  The girl was kidnapped.  They couldn't help it.   I could see that kind of thing working really well in favor of love marriages or better matches.  Everyone could save face and less folks would have to get stuck missing out on the one they love or want to be with forever or getting stuck forever with someone they don't want to be with.
2013-11-05 04:22:40 PM
1 votes:
The picture of the guy in cuffs?
i.imgur.com
I hope he was stoned to death.
2013-11-05 04:12:42 PM
1 votes:

Chinchillazilla: StreetlightInTheGhetto: NutWrench: Russ1642: Sometime in the future they'll be complaining about the loss of their culture. Maybe some cultural traditions deserve to get wiped out.

This. Some cultures aren't just "different" from other cultures. They're *worse*

FTFA

This elderly Kyrgyz couple got married by kidnapping in September of 1954. Eshen, 83, and his wife Tursun, 82, said, "We don't like the modern way of bride-kidnapping. When we were young, it was consensual kidnapping. We knew each other well and exchanged love letters before kidnapping. Nowadays, young people violently kidnap women and this is not our tradition."

See, I could kind of get behind it if it's consensual. If the girl is obviously on board, it's kind of like a surprise party, and I can see it being actually fun to get fake-kidnapped by your boyfriend and go to get married.

/don't try this in America though
//some Good Samaritan might shoot you while you kidnap your bride


Exactly, I could see this as being a awesome surprise party. Like if the bride and groom announce their engagement to their parents, and then the groom, friends, and families plan the party. It could be a cute and goofy tradition. Not a great comparison, but it would be like taking the Scottish of the "Blackening of the Bride/Groom" too far. In that tradition the bride and groom are "kidnaped" then are basically hazed by their friends and family.
2013-11-05 04:11:00 PM
1 votes:
"We don't like the modern method of bride-kidnapping. When we were young, it was consensual kidnapping."


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2013-11-05 04:08:33 PM
1 votes:

Nana's Vibrator: I don't understand how the groom-to-be's mother could go along with this and try to force the white head-scarf onto the kidnappee.  She should put herself in the young woman's position and have empathy.  I mean, most mothers might get behind their son's plot if he brought Kate Upton or Scarlett Johansen home.  But these women are nobodies.  Even Lady Gaga is better than them.  And she sucks.


She probably was kidnapped in a similar way or sees the match as being beneficial for the whole family. I don't know how dowries work in that country but if this girl comes from a middle class family then her parents would probably owe the groom and his parents money that is "meant to ensure her future" (but really, we all know it just goes to the groom's family).

India has been plagued with the above for years now. Middle class to upper middle class girls, barely teenagers mind you, get kidnapped and forced into a quicky wedding ceremony. Since their ceremonies last a whole day I don't know how that works but basically the girl is forced into a marriage before she even has a chance to call her parents. And once she's allowed to call them she has a basically an Amazon wishlist to read off to them so that they can have it delivered to their home.

Many times parents just do what the grooms want so that no additional harm can come to their daughter. If a girl's family refuses to pay up the girl is beaten and often suffers slashes to her face to make her undesirable to anyone else outside of the family. And whether or not payment is made the girl is forced to live as a slave to her in-laws.
2013-11-05 04:05:23 PM
1 votes:

worlddan: Wook: As Americans, we should manufacture moral outrage and then:

1)  Impose our righteous will on them
2)  Intervene militarily
3)  Beat our moral system into them until they are dead.

You missed the last part.

4. Adopt it when we are done and pretend its the greatest discovery known to man.


No. As a woman, I do feel a lot of outage over this and other horrible things that happen to women in these "cultures." Some cultures ARE better than other and some things should not be excused, especially not in 2013. I feel even more rage towards you guys and any other westerner that condones this sort of thing just to show their tolerance of other cultures. Some things should NOT be tolerated. Forced marriage, underage marriage, honor killings, female genital mutilation, and the like should be extinguished and not condoned.
2013-11-05 04:05:22 PM
1 votes:

Nana's Vibrator: I don't understand how the groom-to-be's mother could go along with this and try to force the white head-scarf onto the kidnappee.  She should put herself in the young woman's position and have empathy.  I mean, most mothers might get behind their son's plot if he brought Kate Upton or Scarlett Johansen home.  But these women are nobodies.  Even Lady Gaga is better than them.  And she sucks.


The population is 80% Muslim. They aren't concerned about women's rights.
2013-11-05 03:52:31 PM
1 votes:
New tradition of brides stabbing the groom to death during honeymoon quickly erases old tradition.
2013-11-05 03:51:56 PM
1 votes:
What a pity.

If only there was some device the girls could carry, which would not weigh much and be easy to operate, which would propel a small lead projectile, causing serious injury or death to the attackers.

Wonder how many kidnappings there would be then?
2013-11-05 03:49:41 PM
1 votes:
Chinchillazilla:

See, I could kind of get behind it if it's consensual. If the girl is obviously on board, it's kind of like a surprise party eloping, and I can see it being actually fun to get fake-kidnapped by your boyfriend and go to get married.

FTFY

/don't try this in America though
//some Good Samaritan might shoot you while you kidnap your bride


QFT
2013-11-05 03:49:27 PM
1 votes:
Had to find this quote from an article I'd read on this a few months ago.

"A new law signed by President Almazbek Atambayev in January aims to discourage bride kidnapping by increasing the criminal penalty from a 3-to-7-year prison term to 5-10 years. Such a sentence would make the punishment for bride kidnapping roughly the same as that for sheep theft."
2013-11-05 03:41:54 PM
1 votes:

StreetlightInTheGhetto: NutWrench: Russ1642: Sometime in the future they'll be complaining about the loss of their culture. Maybe some cultural traditions deserve to get wiped out.

This. Some cultures aren't just "different" from other cultures. They're *worse*

FTFA

This elderly Kyrgyz couple got married by kidnapping in September of 1954. Eshen, 83, and his wife Tursun, 82, said, "We don't like the modern way of bride-kidnapping. When we were young, it was consensual kidnapping. We knew each other well and exchanged love letters before kidnapping. Nowadays, young people violently kidnap women and this is not our tradition."


Beat me to it. Kudos!
2013-11-05 03:37:13 PM
1 votes:

Russ1642: Sometime in the future they'll be complaining about the loss of their culture. Maybe some cultural traditions deserve to get wiped out.


This. Some cultures aren't just "different" from other cultures. They're *worse*
2013-11-05 03:35:43 PM
1 votes:

The King of Awesome: This just in, sixteen percent of women are on their period right now.


But a real man loves her all month long.
2013-11-05 03:30:30 PM
1 votes:
This was illustrated in Borat.

2.bp.blogspot.com

We laugh because it seems so alien in our culture.... but.

s.newsweek.com
2013-11-05 03:28:29 PM
1 votes:

FrancoFile: In before Borat jokes.


That's Kazakhstan.  They have more vowels.

/but yeah, this is jacked up
2013-11-05 03:26:33 PM
1 votes:
img.fark.net
2013-11-05 03:24:53 PM
1 votes:

meyerkev: ampoliros: [images.wikia.com image 326x253]

Third world hellhole that treats women as property is third world hellhole that treats women as property.


But every culture is equally valid.
2013-11-05 03:23:28 PM
1 votes:
Now here's a country where I'd support lax gun laws. Arm all the women. Single and married. Married ones get a free pass on divorce-by-murder.

/of course I don't mean it you idiot.
//well, maybe I do. A little. Like, 48%?
2013-11-05 03:21:24 PM
1 votes:
I lived in the Republic of Armenia for a while and this happened there as well. Disgusting tradition. Even worse where the Americans and Europeans who thought that we shouldn't criticize because it was part of the culture.
2013-11-05 03:16:43 PM
1 votes:
If these women don't want to be kidnapped then they shouldn't have been showing so much ankle and wrist.  We need to shame these sluts.  Besides, wife kidnapping is a part of our heritage.
2013-11-05 03:15:03 PM
1 votes:
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