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(Newsweek)   As you break into another pint of ice cream and ignore your mom's phone call again, girls in Kyrgyzstan can't even walk around outside without being dragged off the street to get married   (newsweek.com) divider line 141
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2013-11-05 03:47:21 PM
As the grandparents described it was a cute planned elopement. A strange but cute tradition like in Southwest China where the bride cries during the wedding. From what I read it is to symbolize her being sad to leave her father's family, a sign of respect. It's disturbing that this cultural strange but cute tradition is being used to forcibly abduct women, and then essentially slut-shame them into accepting the proposal.
 
2013-11-05 03:47:57 PM

Russ1642: Maybe some cultural traditions deserve to get wiped out.


You ain't just whistlin' Dixie.
 
2013-11-05 03:49:19 PM

vudukungfu: Russ1642: Maybe some cultural traditions deserve to get wiped out.

You ain't just whistlin' Dixie.


I wonder if the population there complains about libtard ideas like getting rid of kidnap marriages.
 
2013-11-05 03:49:27 PM
Had to find this quote from an article I'd read on this a few months ago.

"A new law signed by President Almazbek Atambayev in January aims to discourage bride kidnapping by increasing the criminal penalty from a 3-to-7-year prison term to 5-10 years. Such a sentence would make the punishment for bride kidnapping roughly the same as that for sheep theft."
 
2013-11-05 03:49:41 PM
Chinchillazilla:

See, I could kind of get behind it if it's consensual. If the girl is obviously on board, it's kind of like a surprise party eloping, and I can see it being actually fun to get fake-kidnapped by your boyfriend and go to get married.

FTFY

/don't try this in America though
//some Good Samaritan might shoot you while you kidnap your bride


QFT
 
2013-11-05 03:50:59 PM

meyerkev: ampoliros: [images.wikia.com image 326x253]

Third world hellhole that treats women as property is third world hellhole that treats women as property.


At least they put forth some effort. Here, the father of the bride just gives her away.
 
2013-11-05 03:51:56 PM
What a pity.

If only there was some device the girls could carry, which would not weigh much and be easy to operate, which would propel a small lead projectile, causing serious injury or death to the attackers.

Wonder how many kidnappings there would be then?
 
2013-11-05 03:52:31 PM
New tradition of brides stabbing the groom to death during honeymoon quickly erases old tradition.
 
2013-11-05 03:52:39 PM

netcentric: Best left to Kyrgyzstan, whether women should dragged off the street to be married.

I think John Kerry said that.

/we don't meddle


Now we know where Romney got his binders full of women.
 
2013-11-05 03:55:49 PM
When I rise to power, these people will be sterilized.
 
2013-11-05 03:56:01 PM
I don't understand how the groom-to-be's mother could go along with this and try to force the white head-scarf onto the kidnappee.  She should put herself in the young woman's position and have empathy.  I mean, most mothers might get behind their son's plot if he brought Kate Upton or Scarlett Johansen home.  But these women are nobodies.  Even Lady Gaga is better than them.  And she sucks.
 
2013-11-05 03:57:43 PM

Chinchillazilla: After hours of struggle, around 84% of kidnapped women end up agreeing to the nuptials. (The rest manage to get back home.) The kidnapee's parents often also pressure the girl, as once she has entered her kidnapper's home she is considered to be no longer pure, making it shameful for her to return home. In order to avoid disgrace, many women tend to remain with their kidnappers.

I'm so tired of Homo sapiens. It's time for the squid people to rise.


That dirty, dirty house. Robbing a woman of her virginity like that.
 
2013-11-05 03:58:48 PM
Did Shirley Jackson come up with this 'tradition'?
 
2013-11-05 03:58:56 PM

Target Builder: Ashyukun: I'm surprised there wasn't more about the boyfriends of the kidnappees going on shooting sprees at the 'groom's' house after these weddings...

TFA says that once the girl has been kidnapped and is in the kidnappers house that her own parents often pressure her to go through with the marriage because she would otherwise be viewed as a slut (they don't use those exact words, but it's the gist). In that context I doubt there are many opportunities for young people to have a relationship status other than "Single", "Engaged" or "Married"


Oh, I got that. Hence my "nuke it from orbit" approach. But they ALSO pount out at least one girl who DID have a boyfriend that got caught up in all of this, so it apparently does happen.
 
2013-11-05 03:59:08 PM
Each time I try to practice this, I just get a restraining order :(

Always the kidnapper, never the groom.
 
2013-11-05 04:00:19 PM

Chinchillazilla: See, I could kind of get behind it if it's consensual. If the girl is obviously on board, it's kind of like a surprise party, and I can see it being actually fun to get fake-kidnapped by your boyfriend and go to get married.


The way the old couple described it and some of the language in the early part of the article made it sound like a way to get around asking your girlfriend's dad for consent or a way to speed along the wedding plans. Totes adorbs, actually.

Everything else in the article, though, is terrifying.
 
2013-11-05 04:04:37 PM
Dafuq. Just......start gassing. Or nuking. Or biebering. Or something.
 
2013-11-05 04:05:22 PM

Nana's Vibrator: I don't understand how the groom-to-be's mother could go along with this and try to force the white head-scarf onto the kidnappee.  She should put herself in the young woman's position and have empathy.  I mean, most mothers might get behind their son's plot if he brought Kate Upton or Scarlett Johansen home.  But these women are nobodies.  Even Lady Gaga is better than them.  And she sucks.


The population is 80% Muslim. They aren't concerned about women's rights.
 
2013-11-05 04:05:23 PM

worlddan: Wook: As Americans, we should manufacture moral outrage and then:

1)  Impose our righteous will on them
2)  Intervene militarily
3)  Beat our moral system into them until they are dead.

You missed the last part.

4. Adopt it when we are done and pretend its the greatest discovery known to man.


No. As a woman, I do feel a lot of outage over this and other horrible things that happen to women in these "cultures." Some cultures ARE better than other and some things should not be excused, especially not in 2013. I feel even more rage towards you guys and any other westerner that condones this sort of thing just to show their tolerance of other cultures. Some things should NOT be tolerated. Forced marriage, underage marriage, honor killings, female genital mutilation, and the like should be extinguished and not condoned.
 
2013-11-05 04:07:45 PM
Here's my ice cream. Now leave me alone.
 
2013-11-05 04:08:33 PM

Nana's Vibrator: I don't understand how the groom-to-be's mother could go along with this and try to force the white head-scarf onto the kidnappee.  She should put herself in the young woman's position and have empathy.  I mean, most mothers might get behind their son's plot if he brought Kate Upton or Scarlett Johansen home.  But these women are nobodies.  Even Lady Gaga is better than them.  And she sucks.


She probably was kidnapped in a similar way or sees the match as being beneficial for the whole family. I don't know how dowries work in that country but if this girl comes from a middle class family then her parents would probably owe the groom and his parents money that is "meant to ensure her future" (but really, we all know it just goes to the groom's family).

India has been plagued with the above for years now. Middle class to upper middle class girls, barely teenagers mind you, get kidnapped and forced into a quicky wedding ceremony. Since their ceremonies last a whole day I don't know how that works but basically the girl is forced into a marriage before she even has a chance to call her parents. And once she's allowed to call them she has a basically an Amazon wishlist to read off to them so that they can have it delivered to their home.

Many times parents just do what the grooms want so that no additional harm can come to their daughter. If a girl's family refuses to pay up the girl is beaten and often suffers slashes to her face to make her undesirable to anyone else outside of the family. And whether or not payment is made the girl is forced to live as a slave to her in-laws.
 
2013-11-05 04:11:00 PM
"We don't like the modern method of bride-kidnapping. When we were young, it was consensual kidnapping."


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2013-11-05 04:12:42 PM

Chinchillazilla: StreetlightInTheGhetto: NutWrench: Russ1642: Sometime in the future they'll be complaining about the loss of their culture. Maybe some cultural traditions deserve to get wiped out.

This. Some cultures aren't just "different" from other cultures. They're *worse*

FTFA

This elderly Kyrgyz couple got married by kidnapping in September of 1954. Eshen, 83, and his wife Tursun, 82, said, "We don't like the modern way of bride-kidnapping. When we were young, it was consensual kidnapping. We knew each other well and exchanged love letters before kidnapping. Nowadays, young people violently kidnap women and this is not our tradition."

See, I could kind of get behind it if it's consensual. If the girl is obviously on board, it's kind of like a surprise party, and I can see it being actually fun to get fake-kidnapped by your boyfriend and go to get married.

/don't try this in America though
//some Good Samaritan might shoot you while you kidnap your bride


Exactly, I could see this as being a awesome surprise party. Like if the bride and groom announce their engagement to their parents, and then the groom, friends, and families plan the party. It could be a cute and goofy tradition. Not a great comparison, but it would be like taking the Scottish of the "Blackening of the Bride/Groom" too far. In that tradition the bride and groom are "kidnaped" then are basically hazed by their friends and family.
 
2013-11-05 04:14:25 PM

NutWrench: Russ1642: Sometime in the future they'll be complaining about the loss of their culture. Maybe some cultural traditions deserve to get wiped out.

This. Some cultures aren't just "different" from other cultures. They're *worse*


That all depends on what gender you are. For the men in those countries I'm sure they would say that same thing about us and our culture
 
2013-11-05 04:16:41 PM

ashinmytomatoes: I feel even more rage towards you guys and any other westerner that condones this sort of thing just to show their tolerance of other cultures


You are just as impotent about what happens in another country as us guys are, so what are you going to do about it? Rage against western men. Yeah, that'll fix everything.

"We are stong, we are women, our answer is to rage against our men till they fix everything!"
 
2013-11-05 04:17:01 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-11-05 04:22:40 PM
The picture of the guy in cuffs?
i.imgur.com
I hope he was stoned to death.
 
2013-11-05 04:24:57 PM

Phonesecs: NutWrench: Russ1642: Sometime in the future they'll be complaining about the loss of their culture. Maybe some cultural traditions deserve to get wiped out.

This. Some cultures aren't just "different" from other cultures. They're *worse*

That all depends on what gender you are. For the men in those countries I'm sure they would say that same thing about us and our culture


Nice attempt at trolling, but there are objective codes of morality and philosophy that go back hundreds and thousands of years that say otherwise.
 
2013-11-05 04:25:12 PM

KatjaMouse: Chinchillazilla: See, I could kind of get behind it if it's consensual. If the girl is obviously on board, it's kind of like a surprise party, and I can see it being actually fun to get fake-kidnapped by your boyfriend and go to get married.

The way the old couple described it and some of the language in the early part of the article made it sound like a way to get around asking your girlfriend's dad for consent or a way to speed along the wedding plans. Totes adorbs, actually.

Everything else in the article, though, is terrifying.


I could see the original consensual tradition being a way of making marriages that weren't traditionally respectable enough pass for respectable enough,too.  Like if the bride's family didn't have enough money for the dowry, the groom could just "kidnap" her and then they wouldn't be expected to pay.  If the groom's family wasn't affluent or prestigious enough to be a proper match for a bride, she could just be "kidnapped" so she nor her family had to lose face and he wouldn't have to negotiate the blessing of her family. Or if the bride was pregnant ahead of schedule or by someone that she "shouldn't" have been getting knocked up by, instead of having to publicly acknowledge that the wedding needed to happen or needed pushed way up on the schedule, the bride could be "kidnapped" and move things right along with a lot less explanation.  Kidnapping could be the kind of tradition where folks know what's really up, but it gives them a culturally acceptable pass to be able to overlook things.

Or if there had already been an arranged or expected marriage match already made and the bride didn't want to marry that person and wanted to marry someone else instead, it could be a great way to overlook breaking the promise to the other guy or embarrassing him.  He wouldn't have to deal with it that his future bride totally bailed on him on purpose, afterall, she was "kidnapped" and then at that point she was impure anyhow, so they all just had to move on.  And the girl and her parents weren't shifty deal-breakers.  The girl was kidnapped.  They couldn't help it.   I could see that kind of thing working really well in favor of love marriages or better matches.  Everyone could save face and less folks would have to get stuck missing out on the one they love or want to be with forever or getting stuck forever with someone they don't want to be with.
 
2013-11-05 04:25:43 PM
It's sad that it used to be a cute token custom among couples who wanted to marry each other and has instead become true kidnapping. Is it a mostly Muslim country?
 
2013-11-05 04:29:35 PM
1. make mail-order bride web site
2. get taxi with doors that can't be unlocked from back seat
3. kidnap girls
4. sell wives
5. profit!!
 
2013-11-05 04:30:08 PM
Are you all so bad at geography that you think Kyrgyzstan and Kazakhstan are the same place?
Borat was from Kazakhstan, not Krygyzstan.
 
2013-11-05 04:32:03 PM

AllUpInYa: 1. make mail-order bride web site
2. get taxi with doors that can't be unlocked from back seat
3. kidnap girls
4. sell wives
5. profit!!


//p.s. My kid's first nanny was Kyrgyz and cute ... but married.
 
2013-11-05 04:34:35 PM

Silly_Sot: What, nobody else noticed the blood in the tenth photo? If that wasn't there, he probably could have had the girl he just married killed.


I did. Didn't think that was still a thing..
 
2013-11-05 04:34:42 PM
What I want to know is how can I score me some Kyrgyz rugs, they looked pretty sweet! All colors and geometry and what not.

/Stupid, backwards, ignorant farks...

/Islam. When properly applied, we can oppress anyone!!

DIAF.
 
2013-11-05 04:34:52 PM

YoOjo: Are you all so bad at geography that you think Kyrgyzstan and Kazakhstan are the same place?
Borat was from Kazakhstan, not Krygyzstan.


Oh, don't get your panties in a wad.  They are neighboring countries, both former Soviet republics, similar ethnic/religious/cultural setup.  Buy a vowel, etc.

It's better than Austria-Australia.
 
2013-11-05 04:35:42 PM

Silly_Sot: What, nobody else noticed the blood in the tenth photo? If that wasn't there, he probably could have had the girl he just married killed.


I noticed it.
Basically a kidnap and rape under the auspicous of tradition.
 
2013-11-05 04:37:05 PM

KawaiiNot: It's sad that it used to be a cute token custom among couples who wanted to marry each other and has instead become true kidnapping. Is it a mostly Muslim country?


Why yes, yes it is. How astute of you to notice.
 
2013-11-05 04:39:26 PM

ChipNASA: OMG you are entirely missing the point here.....


BUT ARE THEY HAWT?!?!?!


Kyrgyz women are some of the hottest women on the planet (No joke)

My friend was almost kidnapped. Met a guy at a conference and later that week he and his goon squad  rushed her house. She had to stay in doors for two days before the creeps left her alone. Cops couldn't be bothered to do anything about it.
 
2013-11-05 04:45:15 PM

YoOjo: Are you all so bad at geography that you think Kyrgyzstan and Kazakhstan are the same place?


I am so bad at geography that I though they were, like, right next to each other. And surrounded by a bunch of other 'Stans as well. Almost as if they were a "region" of sorts that had shared cultural roots or something.

Maybe you letters-reading people can help us trogladytes out and set the record straight.
 
2013-11-05 04:52:30 PM
what the fark is this shiat?!?!?!?
 
2013-11-05 04:52:57 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: Prevailing Wind: what assholes.  Its not like they don't have access to hookers

Is the fishing that good in Krgztn? Oh you devil

[www.gofastandlight.com image 275x275]


Spinners are better.
 
2013-11-05 04:57:18 PM

ashinmytomatoes: worlddan: Wook: As Americans, we should manufacture moral outrage and then:

1)  Impose our righteous will on them
2)  Intervene militarily
3)  Beat our moral system into them until they are dead.

You missed the last part.

4. Adopt it when we are done and pretend its the greatest discovery known to man.

No. As a woman, I do feel a lot of outage over this and other horrible things that happen to women in these "cultures." Some cultures ARE better than other and some things should not be excused, especially not in 2013. I feel even more rage towards you guys and any other westerner that condones this sort of thing just to show their tolerance of other cultures. Some things should NOT be tolerated. Forced marriage, underage marriage, honor killings, female genital mutilation, and the like should be extinguished and not condoned.


As a dad of 3 girls I heartily agree
 
2013-11-05 04:59:44 PM

FarkingReading: Meanwhile, in America, I am one of countless men fighting as hard as I can to keep the shackles of marriage off of me.

If my buddies could kidnap me and keep me from my girlfriend, that might be a fun weekend.

But I'm not doing it under the auspices of a bachelor party to sacrifice my freedom on every subsequent day.


You know... you don't have to date your girlfriend, right? You can always go out and find a new one.
Marriage should be entered into willingly, and if you're hanging around being a power mongering douche, then she can't do what she wants to - find someone willing to marry her. Jerk.
 
DVD
2013-11-05 05:00:43 PM

Phonesecs: NutWrench: Russ1642: Sometime in the future they'll be complaining about the loss of their culture. Maybe some cultural traditions deserve to get wiped out.

This. Some cultures aren't just "different" from other cultures. They're *worse*

That all depends on what gender you are. For the men in those countries I'm sure they would say that same thing about us and our culture


And I'm sure the old south and a plantation owner from 1850 would look down on us and our racial permissiveness as well, but does that justify the culture of slavery?
 
2013-11-05 05:02:26 PM

Ashyukun: I was going to make a Borat joke, but I'm sorry- this is just too totally and completely farked up to even do that. I'm surprised there wasn't more about the boyfriends of the kidnappees going on shooting sprees at the 'groom's' house after these weddings...

I'm sorry, but if your 'culture' has made it acceptable to kidnap a random woman off the street and force her into marrying you against her will, it probably deserves to be nuked from orbit.


Bride stealing has been practiced in just about every culture in history, at some point in the past, from Ireland to India. You're going to need more nukes.

/it's actually kind of weird how common the tradition has been
 
2013-11-05 05:03:08 PM
If the girl is kidnapped, is a dowry still required?
 
2013-11-05 05:17:41 PM

Ashyukun: I was going to make a Borat joke, but I'm sorry- this is just too totally and completely farked up to even do that. I'm surprised there wasn't more about the boyfriends of the kidnappees going on shooting sprees at the 'groom's' house after these weddings...

I'm sorry, but if your 'culture' has made it acceptable to kidnap a random woman off the street and force her into marrying you against her will, it probably deserves to be nuked from orbit.


Seriously. Some cultures just need to be eradicated. And fark everyone who disagrees, you moral relativist pieces of shiat should be thrown in the pit along with these barbarians.
 
2013-11-05 05:17:51 PM

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: Bride stealing has been practiced in just about every culture in history, at some point in the past, from Ireland to India. You're going to need more nukes.


Well, the actual reality of bride-kidnapping in history is partly the hell this story describes, and partly like redstarr01 astutely noted - a handy way for consenting, eloping couples to do an end run around everything from familial objections to jilted exes. Exactly how consensual the custom is seems to vary from culture to culture and era to era.
 
2013-11-05 05:18:07 PM
Worse part is the bride having to do the dishes on her own wedding day - that's rough!
 
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