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2013-11-05 03:44:48 PM  

Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: gja: kerrigand: Kuroshin: kerrigand: MightyPez: kerrigand: Let us know how that thought works out about 5 or 10 years down the line when you own your own company.
Just remember how well the "Christian right" has done so well with attempting to shove their beliefs upon us.
Do you really think doing the same is going to give you a different outcome? No, it's not. It's just going to make people despise you more for it. Well hey, maybe, the two groups should join up and try to do the same thing. After all, it's seemed to work so far.

Oh wait..............

I honestly have no idea what you're getting at with this.

Sure you do. You're just too hardheaded to think beyond yourself.


Are you really trying to equate how someone is born with a religious movement?

I agree - I have no idea what you're trying to say.  Maybe that gays not wanting to be treated as second-class citizens is somehow the same as Christians demanding that everything in society conform to their religious dictates?  Still doesn't parse.

Help me out here.  How does a minority not wanting to be treated as abomination equate with a religion attempting to take over society?

Here's your help since you're too stupid to understand.

1. Christian right, attempts to force their beliefs upon us. What do you do...rebel against it. Nothing wrong with that.

2. Gay right, attempts to force their beliefs up us. What do you do. hmmm.....interesting. the same thing happens, yet we're all bigots.

See an issue with this? No? Well if you don't, then the two of you are the same. No different and if you think you are, you might want to go back to the drawing board with this.

Hope you have asbestos shorts.

He doesn't understand that he's a bigot. Most bigots don't feel that they are bigots. But that doesn't make them not a bigot.


So, I remain without differential feelings between the two and that makes me a bigot.

Then, by all means, enlighten us at to what you are?
 
2013-11-05 03:45:01 PM  

kerrigand: Kuroshin: Help me out here.  How does a minority not wanting to be treated as abomination equate with a religion attempting to take over society?

Here's your help since you're too stupid to understand.

1. Christian right, attempts to force their beliefs upon us. What do you do...rebel against it. Nothing wrong with that.

2. Gay right, attempts to force their beliefs up us. What do you do. hmmm.....interesting. the same thing happens, yet we're all bigots.

See an issue with this? No? Well if you don't, then the two of you are the same. No different and if you think you are, you might want to go back to the drawing board with this.



What beliefs?  No, seriously, what beliefs?  That's where we're not understanding you.

Oh wait, are you...are you really one of those people who believe being gay is a choice?

Oh dear...

Bless your heart.
 
2013-11-05 03:45:27 PM  
MightyPez:
Hell, I'm straight and didn't even know this was a thing until now. My pasta preferences are usually "Hey, which one is on sale/the cheapest?" and I grab that one. But now when I go to buy it I get to add "And which ones are not Barilla?"

I'm not sure if it was a coincidence or not, but a few days after i heard this story i went grocery shopping and all Barilla noodles were on a mega sale at $1 a pack.  Cheaper then generic grocery store brand. (from what i remember they are usually considered a premium brand of noodle).

/I bought the store brand for 15 cents more.
 
2013-11-05 03:45:40 PM  
kerrigand:
2. Gay right, attempts to force their beliefs up us. What do you do. hmmm.....interesting. the same thing happens, yet we're all bigots.

See an issue with this? No? Well if you don't, then the two of you are the same. No different and if you think you are, you might want to go back to the drawing board with this.



Evil gheys, always trying to force things up us.
 
2013-11-05 03:47:12 PM  

menschenfresser: Right; I'm sure it actually increased business with the derp crowd. "Traditional values" my ass. Surely they could put "Family" in the name of their organization/publication like most hate groups do.


Why is it hate?
 
gja
2013-11-05 03:47:43 PM  

frepnog: gja: Cheap is as cheap does dude. My pasta and sauce do NOT come pre-made. To me it is heresy.

and I am sure it is delicious. I just don't have the time or inclination.

Well....  actually I do make my own sauces from time to time.


There is a deep and meaningful satisfaction in making food with your own hands and see everyone feast on it like a pack of sharks in a frenzy while they smack their lips and fight over seconds. Maybe it's the paternal element in me, maybe the frustrated chef and Saucier coming through.

I love cooking nearly as much as eating good food.
 
2013-11-05 03:49:16 PM  

brimed03: AllUpInYa: Aren't there more muslims than gays?
If so, shouldn't they be ahead of the gays, being advertised to?
And what about blacks?
... repeat ad nauseum...

No. Because (a) the company CEO didn't publicly discriminate against those groups on behalf of the company and (b) it's not about the group, it's about discrimination being wrong.

/You dumbasses STILL don't get it, do you?
//First they came for the gays, and I did not speak up because I was not gay...


But why is that even a farking question??

Next, we'll just give them a questionnaire:

"Are you going to have:

gays
muslims
bisexuals
hindus
asians
transexuals
catholics
(etc...)
In your commercials, why/why not?

JUST so that everybody can get butt-hurt that a company doesn't want to spend its every last dime, making advertising campaigns for every demographic.
 
2013-11-05 03:50:15 PM  

Kuroshin: kerrigand: Kuroshin: Help me out here.  How does a minority not wanting to be treated as abomination equate with a religion attempting to take over society?

Here's your help since you're too stupid to understand.

1. Christian right, attempts to force their beliefs upon us. What do you do...rebel against it. Nothing wrong with that.

2. Gay right, attempts to force their beliefs up us. What do you do. hmmm.....interesting. the same thing happens, yet we're all bigots.

See an issue with this? No? Well if you don't, then the two of you are the same. No different and if you think you are, you might want to go back to the drawing board with this.


What beliefs?  No, seriously, what beliefs?  That's where we're not understanding you.

Oh wait, are you...are you really one of those people who believe being gay is a choice?

Oh dear...

Bless your heart.


That statement there is what makes you no different. Understand that, and you'll go far. Misunderstand that, and you'll stay where you are.
 
2013-11-05 03:51:36 PM  

Maud Dib: kerrigand:
2. Gay right, attempts to force their beliefs up us. What do you do. hmmm.....interesting. the same thing happens, yet we're all bigots.

See an issue with this? No? Well if you don't, then the two of you are the same. No different and if you think you are, you might want to go back to the drawing board with this.


Evil gheys, always trying to force things up us.


Did I not say about the Christian right along with that or do you always pick and choose? Isn't that special?
 
2013-11-05 03:51:37 PM  

Kuroshin: frepnog: pgh9fan: What he said was completely ignorant.

why is it ignorant to say you support traditional families and won't use gay couples in advertising?

"The pasta maker fought boycott calls after chief executive Guido Barilla gave an interview in September in which he said that "the concept of a canonical family remains one of the fundamental values of the business."
Asked if he would include a gay couple in one of his television commercials, he said: "We would not do it because ours is a traditional family".
"If (gay people) like our pasta, they can eat it. If they do not like it, if they do not like what we say, they can eat a different one," he added"

That is not ignorance.  That is refusing to cater to a minor demographicbigotry.

FTFY

You are correct though - he is just voicing his company's opinion.  It's not necessarily ignorant, just bigoted.  It's perfectly fine for him to do so, just as it's perfectly fine for those who disagree with his bigotry to avoid his company's products.

See?  Everybody wins!


Wait, sorry, how is bigoted to say that their advertising will feature traditional families? "Ours is a traditional family". Should he lie and say it's not? I get the general concept, but i fail to see how "we want our ads to be traditional" equals "we hate gays". Because it doesn't say that at all.
 
gja
2013-11-05 03:52:22 PM  

Kuroshin: kerrigand: Kuroshin: Help me out here.  How does a minority not wanting to be treated as abomination equate with a religion attempting to take over society?

Here's your help since you're too stupid to understand.

1. Christian right, attempts to force their beliefs upon us. What do you do...rebel against it. Nothing wrong with that.

2. Gay right, attempts to force their beliefs up us. What do you do. hmmm.....interesting. the same thing happens, yet we're all bigots.

See an issue with this? No? Well if you don't, then the two of you are the same. No different and if you think you are, you might want to go back to the drawing board with this.


What beliefs?  No, seriously, what beliefs?  That's where we're not understanding you.

Oh wait, are you...are you really one of those people who believe being gay is a choice?

Oh dear...

Bless your heart.


p.gr-assets.com
 
2013-11-05 03:54:50 PM  

toraque: Gay pasta?  Whatever.  I only buy Catholic pasta, since it doesn't come in a box.  It comes in little cans.


May I use that some time?
 
2013-11-05 03:55:53 PM  

apoptotic: silvervial: apoptotic: The two Barilla ads I've been seeing a lot of lately (they're spamming Hulu) both feature women shopping alone and being spirited out of the frozen foods aisle and taken home by some Italian guy in a convertible, where a chef proceeds to teach them how to heat up Barilla frozen dinners.

They're f*cking creepy.

I think those ads are for Bertoli, but I could be wrong.

As for Barilla, I wrote and told them that they had not only offended gay people, but all the straight people, like myself, a woman who makes the shopping decisions in my traditional family, who support gay people were also offended.

Tiny demographic, my ass!

Ah yes, you're right. That I automatically associated creepy with Barilla probably doesn't bode well though.

*makes mental note that Barilla is homophobic, Bertolli is creepy*


One B-something-something-double L-vowel pasta is pretty much the same as the next.
 
gja
2013-11-05 03:57:31 PM  

kerrigand: Here's your help since you're too stupid to understand.

1. Christian right, attempts to force their beliefs upon us. What do you do...rebel against it. Nothing wrong with that.

2. Gay right, attempts to force their beliefs up us. What do you do. hmmm.....interesting. the same thing happens, yet we're all bigots.

See an issue with this? No? Well if you don't, then the two of you are the same. No different and if you think you are, you might want to go back to the drawing board with this.


FYI,
Being gay or ant other type of sexual orientation (hetero, trans, etc) has been generally shown to not be a choice but a chemically hardwired brain-type item. (using easy words here to prevent triggering derp-outs).
Religion is most certainly a choice.
 
2013-11-05 03:58:07 PM  

frepnog: menschenfresser: Right; I'm sure it actually increased business with the derp crowd. "Traditional values" my ass. Surely they could put "Family" in the name of their organization/publication like most hate groups do.

Why is it hate?


I hope you're just trolling, but I'll bite.

It's hate because they're actively campaigning to deprive people of rights. That's why.

One side is trying to deprive a group of people of equal rights, claiming some "traditional values" bullshiat. The other side isn't trying to force anything on anyone, unless you count "forcing" the other side not to discriminate against them. Nobody has to marry anyone of the same gender. It's up to personal choice. The "family" (hate) side is saying that "No, you can't have that right because this sacred book says so and it counts as law as far as we're concerned." Freedom, small government, personal choice - things that side goes on and on and on about - have no place in those people's real world. Think about it - one of the main concerns this group that claims to be representing a religion of love and compassion on the one hand, and personal freedom on the other, is a fight to deprive people of rights. Puts the lie to all their claims to the contrary,
 
2013-11-05 03:58:20 PM  

Hebalo: Wait, sorry, how is bigoted to say that their advertising will feature traditional families? "Ours is a traditional family". Should he lie and say it's not? I get the general concept, but i fail to see how "we want our ads to be traditional" equals "we hate gays". Because it doesn't say that at all.


that is what I keep saying.

There is no getting around that the majority of people will not accept gay people.  I personally feel that they deserve every right available, because people are people, but that doesn't mean that most everyone is going to accept the lifestyle.

/yes, of course they are born that way, just as I was born hetero.  Not the point.
 
gja
2013-11-05 03:58:30 PM  

dabbletech: toraque: Gay pasta?  Whatever.  I only buy Catholic pasta, since it doesn't come in a box.  It comes in little cans.

May I use that some time?


If it really is catholic it HAS to come in a box or that is a sin....

/i know, sorry everyone, that's gross,  huh?
 
2013-11-05 03:59:45 PM  

gja: Kuroshin: kerrigand: Kuroshin: Help me out here.  How does a minority not wanting to be treated as abomination equate with a religion attempting to take over society?

Here's your help since you're too stupid to understand.

1. Christian right, attempts to force their beliefs upon us. What do you do...rebel against it. Nothing wrong with that.

2. Gay right, attempts to force their beliefs up us. What do you do. hmmm.....interesting. the same thing happens, yet we're all bigots.

See an issue with this? No? Well if you don't, then the two of you are the same. No different and if you think you are, you might want to go back to the drawing board with this.


What beliefs?  No, seriously, what beliefs?  That's where we're not understanding you.

Oh wait, are you...are you really one of those people who believe being gay is a choice?

Oh dear...

Bless your heart.

[p.gr-assets.com image 200x228]



I forgot, Christians were born Christian and gays were born gay. Doesn't seems like a choice to me. But, yet you want to keep trying to tell me that it is.

Who are you trying to convince? Me or your Christian counterparts?
 
2013-11-05 04:00:06 PM  

SlodaMan: MightyPez: Never in a million years would I let my personal views get in the way of my business and the employees that depend on it for their living. It's the height of narcissism and irresponsibility.

But is that really true?  What if you were the CEO of a competing pasta company and someone asked if you would ever use a gay couple in your commercials?  Would you respond somewhere along the lines of "Sure, doesn't matter if the people in our ads are straight or gay."  Seems harmless, but I would bet those who support a "traditional" marriage would find that sort of response to be in support of gay rights and a political statement. If you try to dodge the question altogether, then it comes a "thing" and gets a life of its own.  "What's MightyPez Pasta company hiding?"

Obviously I get your very sound and reasonable view of not allowing personal stance be a representation of your company.  I just think it may not be easy when  the media likes to stir the pot.


No I would say something like "Our marketing team creates adverts based on what they believe will sell the most pasta, we aren't in the business of making social statements on any controversial issue because that can only really lose us money by upsetting customers or potential customers". Boring but the only professional way of doing business.
 
2013-11-05 04:00:21 PM  

menschenfresser: It's hate because they're actively campaigning to deprive people of rights.


so it is a right now to have a company portray gay people in their advertising?

good luck with that one, pal.
 
2013-11-05 04:00:44 PM  

KingVJ: Let me know when you get 100% Whole Grain Pasta and we'll talk about buying your product again. No 51% Whole Grain isn't 100% Whole Grain.


Oddly enough, Kroger's in-store brand is the only 100% whole wheat pasta I have found in my area in Phoenix.  Not too shabby (AND doesn't piss anyone off who doesn't sex in the 'standard' way)!
 
gja
2013-11-05 04:01:37 PM  

kerrigand: gja: Kuroshin: kerrigand: Kuroshin: Help me out here.  How does a minority not wanting to be treated as abomination equate with a religion attempting to take over society?

Here's your help since you're too stupid to understand.

1. Christian right, attempts to force their beliefs upon us. What do you do...rebel against it. Nothing wrong with that.

2. Gay right, attempts to force their beliefs up us. What do you do. hmmm.....interesting. the same thing happens, yet we're all bigots.

See an issue with this? No? Well if you don't, then the two of you are the same. No different and if you think you are, you might want to go back to the drawing board with this.


What beliefs?  No, seriously, what beliefs?  That's where we're not understanding you.

Oh wait, are you...are you really one of those people who believe being gay is a choice?

Oh dear...

Bless your heart.

[p.gr-assets.com image 200x228]


I forgot, Christians were born Christian and gays were born gay. Doesn't seems like a choice to me. But, yet you want to keep trying to tell me that it is.

Who are you trying to convince? Me or your Christian counterparts?


Uhm, I AM christian, FYI. A recovering catholic to be precise. I was not born that way. That is my choice.
I am hetero, and could never be any other way. No choice there sparky.
 
2013-11-05 04:02:49 PM  

frepnog: menschenfresser: It's hate because they're actively campaigning to deprive people of rights.

so it is a right now to have a company portray gay people in their advertising?

good luck with that one, pal.


Oh, you! You know darn well what I was talking about, and it wasn't advertising! Thanks for the feedback all the same; always good to have a civil discussion on this site on the rare occasions it happens.
 
2013-11-05 04:04:24 PM  

gja: kerrigand: Here's your help since you're too stupid to understand.

1. Christian right, attempts to force their beliefs upon us. What do you do...rebel against it. Nothing wrong with that.

2. Gay right, attempts to force their beliefs up us. What do you do. hmmm.....interesting. the same thing happens, yet we're all bigots.

See an issue with this? No? Well if you don't, then the two of you are the same. No different and if you think you are, you might want to go back to the drawing board with this.

FYI,
Being gay or ant other type of sexual orientation (hetero, trans, etc) has been generally shown to not be a choice but a chemically hardwired brain-type item. (using easy words here to prevent triggering derp-outs).
Religion is most certainly a choice.


Oh, Now I understand.

I appreciate your understanding in this.

So you're still the same, they choose to be, you don't.

You choose to be an asshole and well they choose to be assholes.

hmmmm.......ok.....
 
2013-11-05 04:05:25 PM  

purplegiraffe: KingVJ: Let me know when you get 100% Whole Grain Pasta and we'll talk about buying your product again. No 51% Whole Grain isn't 100% Whole Grain.

Oddly enough, Kroger's in-store brand is the only 100% whole wheat pasta I have found in my area in Phoenix.  Not too shabby (AND doesn't piss anyone off who doesn't sex in the 'standard' way)!


Why, the love of all that's good, would you want whole wheat pasta? It's like offering kids ice cream made of 100% radish. If you want pasta, eat pasta. If you want to be healthy, go do that. But don't fool yourself in to thinking whole wheat pasta is anything but an abomination.
 
gja
2013-11-05 04:05:54 PM  

kerrigand: gja: kerrigand: Here's your help since you're too stupid to understand.

1. Christian right, attempts to force their beliefs upon us. What do you do...rebel against it. Nothing wrong with that.

2. Gay right, attempts to force their beliefs up us. What do you do. hmmm.....interesting. the same thing happens, yet we're all bigots.

See an issue with this? No? Well if you don't, then the two of you are the same. No different and if you think you are, you might want to go back to the drawing board with this.

FYI,
Being gay or ant other type of sexual orientation (hetero, trans, etc) has been generally shown to not be a choice but a chemically hardwired brain-type item. (using easy words here to prevent triggering derp-outs).
Religion is most certainly a choice.

Oh, Now I understand.

I appreciate your understanding in this.

So you're still the same, they choose to be, you don't.

You choose to be an asshole and well they choose to be assholes.

hmmmm.......ok.....


LOL, WUT?
Your mind is gone.
 
2013-11-05 04:06:42 PM  

frepnog: menschenfresser: Right; I'm sure it actually increased business with the derp crowd. "Traditional values" my ass. Surely they could put "Family" in the name of their organization/publication like most hate groups do.

Why is it hate?


Ahh, right, just claim that hate isn't.  No one will see through that.

It's the same tactic that some of the white supremacists are taking these days, they're claiming that they don't "hate" black people, they just don't want them around.  It's disingenuous, of course.
 
gja
2013-11-05 04:07:59 PM  

kerrigand: You choose to be an asshole and well they choose to be assholes.

hmmmm.......ok.....


Oh, and your name-calling pretty much indicates your lack of a viable position.
Do you go all ITG next when I call you an idiot?
 
2013-11-05 04:08:18 PM  

gja: kerrigand: gja: Kuroshin: kerrigand: Kuroshin: Help me out here.  How does a minority not wanting to be treated as abomination equate with a religion attempting to take over society?

Here's your help since you're too stupid to understand.

1. Christian right, attempts to force their beliefs upon us. What do you do...rebel against it. Nothing wrong with that.

2. Gay right, attempts to force their beliefs up us. What do you do. hmmm.....interesting. the same thing happens, yet we're all bigots.

See an issue with this? No? Well if you don't, then the two of you are the same. No different and if you think you are, you might want to go back to the drawing board with this.


What beliefs?  No, seriously, what beliefs?  That's where we're not understanding you.

Oh wait, are you...are you really one of those people who believe being gay is a choice?

Oh dear...

Bless your heart.

[p.gr-assets.com image 200x228]


I forgot, Christians were born Christian and gays were born gay. Doesn't seems like a choice to me. But, yet you want to keep trying to tell me that it is.

Who are you trying to convince? Me or your Christian counterparts?

Uhm, I AM christian, FYI. A recovering catholic to be precise. I was not born that way. That is my choice.
I am hetero, and could never be any other way. No choice there sparky.



So your not born a catholic, but your a "recovering" catholic.

I'm sorry, again, who are you trying to convince? Me or your Christian counterparts?

Your argument doesn't really hold water. I wish you the best and hope that you find your way.
 
2013-11-05 04:09:10 PM  

DarkVader: frepnog: menschenfresser: Right; I'm sure it actually increased business with the derp crowd. "Traditional values" my ass. Surely they could put "Family" in the name of their organization/publication like most hate groups do.

Why is it hate?

Ahh, right, just claim that hate isn't.  No one will see through that.

It's the same tactic that some of the white supremacists are taking these days, they're claiming that they don't "hate" black people, they just don't want them around.  It's disingenuous, of course.


I have a traditional family. No gay people in it. Do I need to start inviting them over every night for dinner, or risk being called a bigot?
 
2013-11-05 04:09:22 PM  

Hebalo: Wait, sorry, how is bigoted to say that their advertising will feature traditional families? "Ours is a traditional family". Should he lie and say it's not? I get the general concept, but i fail to see how "we want our ads to be traditional" equals "we hate gays". Because it doesn't say that at all.


Intentionally excluding a minority because they do not represent what you consider to be an 'ideal' - while not explicitly hate - is still bigotry.  Bigotry does not require hate behind it.

I actually don't believe that the CEO hates gay people.  What he has said is that they are not a part of his world vision.  He has put into words that his company has a bias against 'non-traditional families'.  That is bigotry.

Had he instead stated that "We don't have any plans at this time" and left it at that, it would not have declared a bias, and thus would not have been explicitly bigoted.  It leaves the door open to the future, and shows that while they obviously have a direction they are travelling, they are not biased against homosexuals.  Instead, he slammed the door, put his flag in the ground, and declared that  completely normal human beings are out of the question because of their sexuality.

So yeah, it's bigoted.  It's his right.  As is the backlash the right of those offended.
 
2013-11-05 04:09:57 PM  

DarkVader: frepnog: menschenfresser: Right; I'm sure it actually increased business with the derp crowd. "Traditional values" my ass. Surely they could put "Family" in the name of their organization/publication like most hate groups do.

Why is it hate?

Ahh, right, just claim that hate isn't.  No one will see through that.

It's the same tactic that some of the white supremacists are taking these days, they're claiming that they don't "hate" black people, they just don't want them around.  It's disingenuous, of course.


Segregation was a "tradition" not long ago. Before that, slaveholders could honestly claim that slavery itself was "traditional."  Nobody is trying to force anything on anyone here as far as the gay marriage proponents are concerned (we were talking about Chik-Fil-A upthread). The only ones trying to force anything are the ones saying gays can't have the right to marry because Bible or something derptastic.
 
2013-11-05 04:10:16 PM  

gja: kerrigand: You choose to be an asshole and well they choose to be assholes.

hmmmm.......ok.....

Oh, and your name-calling pretty much indicates your lack of a viable position.
Do you go all ITG next when I call you an idiot?


No, I'm sure that you would enjoy it if I did. But you lost credibility a long time ago.

You still don't understand it, but you did.
 
2013-11-05 04:11:53 PM  

gja: kerrigand: You choose to be an asshole and well they choose to be assholes.

hmmmm.......ok.....

Oh, and your name-calling pretty much indicates your lack of a viable position.
Do you go all ITG next when I call you an idiot?


Oh and calling you an asshole, never did that, but you go ahead and believe that I did. I'll understand your dysfunction.
 
2013-11-05 04:13:26 PM  

Hebalo: DarkVader: frepnog: menschenfresser: Right; I'm sure it actually increased business with the derp crowd. "Traditional values" my ass. Surely they could put "Family" in the name of their organization/publication like most hate groups do.

Why is it hate?

Ahh, right, just claim that hate isn't.  No one will see through that.

It's the same tactic that some of the white supremacists are taking these days, they're claiming that they don't "hate" black people, they just don't want them around.  It's disingenuous, of course.

I have a traditional family. No gay people in it. Do I need to start inviting them over every night for dinner, or risk being called a bigot?


Don't be silly; you know that's not what anyone is saying. Be traditional if you like; that's great if it's what you want. All anyone is saying is that others should be able to have their families too, even if they're different to yours. Doesn't affect the "traditional" crowd in any way except for the ones who want to tell the non-traditional marriages they have no right to exist, and there's no excuse for that.
 
2013-11-05 04:13:26 PM  

Hebalo: DarkVader: frepnog: menschenfresser: Right; I'm sure it actually increased business with the derp crowd. "Traditional values" my ass. Surely they could put "Family" in the name of their organization/publication like most hate groups do.

Why is it hate?

Ahh, right, just claim that hate isn't.  No one will see through that.

It's the same tactic that some of the white supremacists are taking these days, they're claiming that they don't "hate" black people, they just don't want them around.  It's disingenuous, of course.

I have a traditional family. No gay people in it. Do I need to start inviting them over every night for dinner, or risk being called a bigot?


You seriously think you're not related to anyone gay?  LOL
 
2013-11-05 04:14:19 PM  

kerrigand: I forgot, Christians were born Christian and gays were born gay. Doesn't seems like a choice to me. But, yet you want to keep trying to tell me that it is.



Nobody in the history of ever has been born Christian.  Never.  Not even Jesus.  Religion isn't decided by birth.  All religion is optional - sexual orientation isn't.

I figured that someone who goes around accusing others of being stupid idiots would already know this.
 
gja
2013-11-05 04:14:50 PM  

kerrigand: So your not born a catholic, but your a "recovering" catholic.

I'm sorry, again, who are you trying to convince? Me or your Christian counterparts?

Your argument doesn't really hold water. I wish you the best and hope that you find your way.


No need to wish spanky. I long ago 'found' my way.
Catholicism just has some irreconcilable things for me. So I remain christian at my core, just not catholic.
Don't give a shiat what a jackass such as you thinks of me, and never will.
But you trying to equate a religious choice is equal to something determined by biology is beyond ignorant and stupid and well into blindingly asinine.
 
gja
2013-11-05 04:16:04 PM  

kerrigand: gja: kerrigand: You choose to be an asshole and well they choose to be assholes.

hmmmm.......ok.....

Oh, and your name-calling pretty much indicates your lack of a viable position.
Do you go all ITG next when I call you an idiot?

Oh and calling you an asshole, never did that, but you go ahead and believe that I did. I'll understand your dysfunction.


You have some missing chromosomes, don't you?
 
2013-11-05 04:18:21 PM  

gja: kerrigand: gja: kerrigand: You choose to be an asshole and well they choose to be assholes.

hmmmm.......ok.....

Oh, and your name-calling pretty much indicates your lack of a viable position.
Do you go all ITG next when I call you an idiot?

Oh and calling you an asshole, never did that, but you go ahead and believe that I did. I'll understand your dysfunction.

You have some missing chromosomes, don't you?


I realize your hatred towards me. That I can live with. I'm apparently not the one missing the chromosomes now am I?
 
2013-11-05 04:18:49 PM  

DarkVader: Hebalo: DarkVader: frepnog: menschenfresser: Right; I'm sure it actually increased business with the derp crowd. "Traditional values" my ass. Surely they could put "Family" in the name of their organization/publication like most hate groups do.

Why is it hate?

Ahh, right, just claim that hate isn't.  No one will see through that.

It's the same tactic that some of the white supremacists are taking these days, they're claiming that they don't "hate" black people, they just don't want them around.  It's disingenuous, of course.

I have a traditional family. No gay people in it. Do I need to start inviting them over every night for dinner, or risk being called a bigot?

You seriously think you're not related to anyone gay?  LOL


Why would you assume instantly that someone in my family is gay?
 
2013-11-05 04:21:21 PM  

Kuroshin: kerrigand: I forgot, Christians were born Christian and gays were born gay. Doesn't seems like a choice to me. But, yet you want to keep trying to tell me that it is.


Nobody in the history of ever has been born Christian.  Never.  Not even Jesus.  Religion isn't decided by birth.  All religion is optional - sexual orientation isn't.

I figured that someone who goes around accusing others of being stupid idiots would already know this.


You mean like yourself?
 
2013-11-05 04:21:32 PM  

gja: kerrigand: gja: kerrigand: You choose to be an asshole and well they choose to be assholes.

hmmmm.......ok.....

Oh, and your name-calling pretty much indicates your lack of a viable position.
Do you go all ITG next when I call you an idiot?

Oh and calling you an asshole, never did that, but you go ahead and believe that I did. I'll understand your dysfunction.

You have some missing chromosomes, don't you?



I'm beginning to wonder if he's a Republican politician.  Seems to forget that anything put on the internet exists forever.  Everything said can be pulled up on a whim.
 
2013-11-05 04:22:31 PM  

Kuroshin: Hebalo: Wait, sorry, how is bigoted to say that their advertising will feature traditional families? "Ours is a traditional family". Should he lie and say it's not? I get the general concept, but i fail to see how "we want our ads to be traditional" equals "we hate gays". Because it doesn't say that at all.

Intentionally excluding a minority because they do not represent what you consider to be an 'ideal' - while not explicitly hate - is still bigotry.  Bigotry does not require hate behind it.

I actually don't believe that the CEO hates gay people.  What he has said is that they are not a part of his world vision.  He has put into words that his company has a bias against 'non-traditional families'.  That is bigotry.

Had he instead stated that "We don't have any plans at this time" and left it at that, it would not have declared a bias, and thus would not have been explicitly bigoted.  It leaves the door open to the future, and shows that while they obviously have a direction they are travelling, they are not biased against homosexuals.  Instead, he slammed the door, put his flag in the ground, and declared that  completely normal human beings are out of the question because of their sexuality.

So yeah, it's bigoted.  It's his right.  As is the backlash the right of those offended.


I disagree. If the guy who built the company up wants their ads to reflect a certain ethos, that's not bigoted. It's such a push button issue now that if someone so much as shows indifference to homosexuals, they're strung up in the middle of town. It's total bullshiat.

There are a lot of people actively preaching hate against gays, this guy doesn't even care about them. Does he also need to start having visible minorities in all his ads? cripples? animals? seriously, people get jazzed up about the stupidest things these days.

There are bigger fish to fry out there. Like the fish guys who don't have any gay married sailors in their ads.
 
2013-11-05 04:23:43 PM  

Hebalo: DarkVader: Hebalo: DarkVader: frepnog: menschenfresser: Right; I'm sure it actually increased business with the derp crowd. "Traditional values" my ass. Surely they could put "Family" in the name of their organization/publication like most hate groups do.

Why is it hate?

Ahh, right, just claim that hate isn't.  No one will see through that.

It's the same tactic that some of the white supremacists are taking these days, they're claiming that they don't "hate" black people, they just don't want them around.  It's disingenuous, of course.

I have a traditional family. No gay people in it. Do I need to start inviting them over every night for dinner, or risk being called a bigot?

You seriously think you're not related to anyone gay?  LOL

Why would you assume instantly that someone in my family is gay?


I suppose it's possible that you may indeed be the only family in the species without a gay member. Not awfully likely, though. Unless you mean immediate family, of course.
 
2013-11-05 04:23:47 PM  

kerrigand: Kuroshin: kerrigand: I forgot, Christians were born Christian and gays were born gay. Doesn't seems like a choice to me. But, yet you want to keep trying to tell me that it is.


Nobody in the history of ever has been born Christian.  Never.  Not even Jesus.  Religion isn't decided by birth.  All religion is optional - sexual orientation isn't.

I figured that someone who goes around accusing others of being stupid idiots would already know this.

You mean like yourself?



Huh?

Have I done that here?  Where?  Got a cite/copypasta?

I mean, I get it that you're trolling, but since you're arguing as a proxy for people who have very similar views, I figured I'd discuss things directly with you.
 
2013-11-05 04:24:43 PM  

Kuroshin: gja: kerrigand: gja: kerrigand: You choose to be an asshole and well they choose to be assholes.

hmmmm.......ok.....

Oh, and your name-calling pretty much indicates your lack of a viable position.
Do you go all ITG next when I call you an idiot?

Oh and calling you an asshole, never did that, but you go ahead and believe that I did. I'll understand your dysfunction.

You have some missing chromosomes, don't you?


I'm beginning to wonder if he's a Republican politician.  Seems to forget that anything put on the internet exists forever.  Everything said can be pulled up on a whim.


That's right. Don't forget it. I'm not a republican nor a politician. I'm just someone that your trying to convince and your not having any luck in doing so. You don't like it. So I must be one of the hated few.
 
2013-11-05 04:25:52 PM  

Kuroshin: kerrigand: I forgot, Christians were born Christian and gays were born gay. Doesn't seems like a choice to me. But, yet you want to keep trying to tell me that it is.


Nobody in the history of ever has been born Christian.  Never.  Not even Jesus.  Religion isn't decided by birth.  All religion is optional - sexual orientation isn't.

I figured that someone who goes around accusing others of being stupid idiots would already know this.


Religion may be a choice but children of Christians tend to be Christians... you don't find rednecks of the Graham clan growing up to be muslims.

As for sexual preference... I suspect it is partially nature and partially nurture... probably more genetics with some than others. (Being abused as a child physically or emotionally is also linked to higher rates of homosexuality... hinting that at least for some- the sum of life experiences may affect preference).


Regardless of whether it is by genes or by choice... who the hell cares? Doesn't harm anyone whether someone bonks someone of the same sex because of genes or because of life experiences.

Live and let live!
Screw and let screw!
 
gja
2013-11-05 04:26:12 PM  

kerrigand: gja: kerrigand: gja: kerrigand: You choose to be an asshole and well they choose to be assholes.

hmmmm.......ok.....

Oh, and your name-calling pretty much indicates your lack of a viable position.
Do you go all ITG next when I call you an idiot?

Oh and calling you an asshole, never did that, but you go ahead and believe that I did. I'll understand your dysfunction.

You have some missing chromosomes, don't you?

I realize your hatred towards me. That I can live with. I'm apparently not the one missing the chromosomes now am I?


OK, if you knew even the littlest bit about me you would know I never use the word HATE.
It is the ugliest emotion and a word I reserve for abhorrent things.

You I merely dislike. For your disingenuous fallacies, for your obvious bigotry.
 
gja
2013-11-05 04:29:23 PM  

kerrigand: Kuroshin: gja: kerrigand: gja: kerrigand: You choose to be an asshole and well they choose to be assholes.

hmmmm.......ok.....

Oh, and your name-calling pretty much indicates your lack of a viable position.
Do you go all ITG next when I call you an idiot?

Oh and calling you an asshole, never did that, but you go ahead and believe that I did. I'll understand your dysfunction.

You have some missing chromosomes, don't you?


I'm beginning to wonder if he's a Republican politician.  Seems to forget that anything put on the internet exists forever.  Everything said can be pulled up on a whim.

That's right. Don't forget it. I'm not a republican nor a politician. I'm just someone that your trying to convince and your not having any luck in doing so. You don't like it. So I must be one of the hated few.


I couldn't care less about convincing you. But neither will I stand by as you spew inaccuracies and present fallacious equivalencies in a failed attempt to lend credit to your bigoted opinion.
 
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