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2013-11-05 01:01:11 PM  
Ha ha!  You just realized how much pasta gay people eat.

/Do they eat more pasta than straight people?
//Vegetarians eat more than carnivores
///Not sure what that last fact has to do with anything
 
2013-11-05 01:14:57 PM  
First they should improve the quality of their pasta.
 
2013-11-05 01:39:50 PM  

EvilEgg: Ha ha!  You just realized how much pasta gay people eat.

/Do they eat more pasta than straight people?
//Vegetarians eat more than carnivores
///Not sure what that last fact has to do with anything


Son, we already knew.

The carbo loading, the Deep Dish CDs, the guy who sleeps in the same twin bed as you?
 
2013-11-05 01:48:01 PM  
Cock-a-noodle-doooo!

If I were gay, I'd have a long, long memory about this sort of thing. Forgiveness is a wonderful thing but so is letting business know that if you castigate a group, you can really hurt your bottom line.
 
2013-11-05 01:48:14 PM  
Well it was that or let Barilla become slang for a sex act that requires two dudes, a donkey, a colander and half a dozen bread sticks. Those gay rights lawyers are tough negotiators.
 
2013-11-05 01:49:42 PM  
OMGWHOTHEHELLCARES.jpg

seriously.  who gives a shiat who an Italian pasta maker directs its ads to?  Is that 1-5 percent of the world's population seriously worth catering to?

Barilla's profits soared to $81 million in 2012.

I think they'll be fine.

I have no problem with gay people....  but seriously.  We don't all have to bend over backwards for you.
 
2013-11-05 01:50:18 PM  
Letting your prejudices show in your corporate image/voice doesn't sell.

How many more companies will need to figure this out the hard way?
 
2013-11-05 01:51:35 PM  

frepnog: OMGWHOTHEHELLCARES.jpg

seriously.  who gives a shiat who an Italian pasta maker directs its ads to?  Is that 1-5 percent of the world's population seriously worth catering to?

Barilla's profits soared to $81 million in 2012.

I think they'll be fine.

I have no problem with gay people....  but seriously.  We don't all have to bend over backwards for you.


Of course not. Bending forwards is fine.
 
2013-11-05 01:51:38 PM  

frepnog: OMGWHOTHEHELLCARES.jpg

seriously.  who gives a shiat who an Italian pasta maker directs its ads to?  Is that 1-5 percent of the world's population seriously worth catering to?

Barilla's profits soared to $81 million in 2012.

I think they'll be fine.

I have no problem with gay people....  but seriously.  We don't all have to bend over backwards for you.


3/10.  That should get a few bites.
 
2013-11-05 01:55:26 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Letting your prejudices show in your corporate image/voice doesn't sell.

How many more companies will need to figure this out the hard way?


Conservative ones?
 
2013-11-05 01:55:33 PM  
Approves

www.realfunfood.com
 
2013-11-05 01:56:23 PM  
hardinparamedic: The carbo loading, the Deep Dish CDs, the guy who sleeps in the same twin bed as you?

30 second advertisement with no skipping

youtube, what happened to you :(
 
2013-11-05 01:56:30 PM  
FTFA:  The Barilla spokesman said the initiatives had "been in the works for over a year" and were not an attempt to clean up the company's image after the backlash over the CEO's anti-gay remarks.

And if you believe that, I have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale.  Cheap!
 
2013-11-05 01:58:09 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: frepnog: OMGWHOTHEHELLCARES.jpg

seriously.  who gives a shiat who an Italian pasta maker directs its ads to?  Is that 1-5 percent of the world's population seriously worth catering to?

Barilla's profits soared to $81 million in 2012.

I think they'll be fine.

I have no problem with gay people....  but seriously.  We don't all have to bend over backwards for you.

3/10.  That should get a few bites.


Who is trolling?  Chik-Fil-A doesn't support gay people, and they are doing just fine.  Gay or not, that sweet sweet chicken is hard to resist.

Personally I just buy the cheapest pasta I can get.  Great Value pasta is like a buck a box and tastes just like...  wait for it....  pasta.
 
2013-11-05 01:58:35 PM  
F Barilla, I like bewbs on my pasta.


www.dececco.it
 
2013-11-05 02:00:17 PM  

Maud Dib: F Barilla, I like bewbs on my pasta.


[www.dececco.it image 218x283]


Pastits, or GTFO!
 
2013-11-05 02:05:39 PM  

buckeyebrain: FTFA:  The Barilla spokesman said the initiatives had "been in the works for over a year" and were not an attempt to clean up the company's image after the backlash over the CEO's anti-gay remarks.

And if you believe that, I have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale.  Cheap!



If you like you plan, you can keep your plan. If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor.
 
2013-11-05 02:07:56 PM  

frepnog: Grand_Moff_Joseph: frepnog: OMGWHOTHEHELLCARES.jpg

seriously.  who gives a shiat who an Italian pasta maker directs its ads to?  Is that 1-5 percent of the world's population seriously worth catering to?

Barilla's profits soared to $81 million in 2012.

I think they'll be fine.

I have no problem with gay people....  but seriously.  We don't all have to bend over backwards for you.

3/10.  That should get a few bites.

Who is trolling?  Chik-Fil-A doesn't support gay people, and they are doing just fine.  Gay or not, that sweet sweet chicken is hard to resist.

Personally I just buy the cheapest pasta I can get.  Great Value pasta is like a buck a box and tastes just like...  wait for it....  pasta.


I haven't bought Barilla since I heard what the asshole CEO said.  I'm gay though.  I would hope that if I were straight, I wouldn't throw out ignorant comments like "I have no problem with gay people....  but seriously.  We don't all have to bend over backwards for you" because that is just all kinda of stupid.

I actually see you on here a lot and think you are trolling.
 
2013-11-05 02:08:20 PM  
I've decided to boycott products that show ads with gay couples. Mostly because if a modern gay couple can afford it, then it's too expensive for me.
 
2013-11-05 02:08:40 PM  
trademarkconsultants.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-11-05 02:08:56 PM  

penni

 
2013-11-05 02:09:08 PM  
What are the other qu&&rs upset about this time?

Noodles?

Get over yourselves. Seriously.
 
2013-11-05 02:09:51 PM  

frepnog: OMGWHOTHEHELLCARES.jpg

seriously.  who gives a shiat who an Italian pasta maker directs its ads to?  Is that 1-5 percent of the world's population seriously worth catering to?

Barilla's profits soared to $81 million in 2012.

I think they'll be fine.

I have no problem with gay people....  but seriously.  We don't all have to bend over backwards for you.


Yes you do.
YES YOU DO!

Admit it, dude, there's that one nasty little nerve ending tickling you like an itch in the middle of your back that you can never scratch.
You want to bend over backwards forwards and sideways, don't you you little minx.

/I'll make you call me Obama if you want.
 
2013-11-05 02:12:52 PM  
What do gay people so with pasta anyway? I can only assume they stick in u
 
2013-11-05 02:13:10 PM  

Buttknuckle: I haven't bought Barilla since I heard what the asshole CEO said. I'm gay though. I would hope that if I were straight, I wouldn't throw out ignorant comments like "I have no problem with gay people.... but seriously. We don't all have to bend over backwards for you" because that is just all kinda of stupid.

I actually see you on here a lot and think you are trolling.


meh, all I am saying is that gay people are a demographic.  If Barilla doesn't feel the need to cater to them, so what?

Should white people be offended that the makers of Soul Glo don't cater to THEM?

userserve-ak.last.fm
 
2013-11-05 02:13:36 PM  
Why not try  Toleranza di Napoli pasta instead?

vt.showyou.com
 
2013-11-05 02:15:31 PM  
i thought 'putting your noodle in somebody' was what being gay was all about.
 
2013-11-05 02:17:24 PM  
There's no such thing as a happy homosexual, but their followers and supporters act just like Jesus Freaks when you point that out.

/is that natural
//or conditioned?
B.F.Skinner/]
 
2013-11-05 02:18:24 PM  

lordargent: hardinparamedic: The carbo loading, the Deep Dish CDs, the guy who sleeps in the same twin bed as you?

30 second advertisement with no skipping

youtube, what happened to you :(


Google bought YouTube for $6 billion.
 
2013-11-05 02:18:38 PM  
The two Barilla ads I've been seeing a lot of lately (they're spamming Hulu) both feature women shopping alone and being spirited out of the frozen foods aisle and taken home by some Italian guy in a convertible, where a chef proceeds to teach them how to heat up Barilla frozen dinners.

They're f*cking creepy.
 
2013-11-05 02:19:05 PM  

Sun Tzu: There's no such thing as a happy homosexual, but their followers and supporters act just like Jesus Freaks when you point that out.

/is that natural
//or conditioned?
B.F.Skinner/]


Think about it before a minute: would you be happy if fast food ford chicken companies and pasta companies didn't cater specifically to you? Didn't think so
 
2013-11-05 02:20:46 PM  
The only thing they can do to truly correct the situation is to the very thing the CEO claimed he would never do: put gay couples in their advertising.
 
2013-11-05 02:21:26 PM  

Buttknuckle: I haven't bought Barilla since I heard what the asshole CEO said.  I'm gay though.  I would hope that if I were straight, I wouldn't throw out ignorant comments like "I have no problem with gay people....  but seriously.  We don't all have to bend over backwards for you" because that is just all kinda of stupid.

I actually see you on here a lot and think you are trolling.


Hell, I'm straight and didn't even know this was a thing until now. My pasta preferences are usually "Hey, which one is on sale/the cheapest?" and I grab that one. But now when I go to buy it I get to add "And which ones are not Barilla?"

It's not even the anti-gay remark that is irking me (though it's definitely a shiatty thing to say) as much as how stupid it is to say that. You don't like a group of people? Fine. Have your prejudice, you're certainly entitled to them. But when you are the head of a company, you are effectively speaking for the company. Never in a million years would I let my personal views get in the way of my business and the employees that depend on it for their living. It's the height of narcissism and irresponsibility.
 
2013-11-05 02:23:46 PM  
Didn't know that pasta was homophobic.
 
2013-11-05 02:24:52 PM  

apoptotic: The two Barilla ads I've been seeing a lot of lately (they're spamming Hulu) both feature women shopping alone and being spirited out of the frozen foods aisle and taken home by some Italian guy in a convertible, where a chef proceeds to teach them how to heat up Barilla frozen dinners.

They're f*cking creepy.


I think those ads are for Bertoli, but I could be wrong.

As for Barilla, I wrote and told them that they had not only offended gay people, but all the straight people, like myself, a woman who makes the shopping decisions in my traditional family, who support gay people were also offended.

Tiny demographic, my ass!
 
2013-11-05 02:26:48 PM  
Aren't there more muslims than gays?
If so, shouldn't they be ahead of the gays, being advertised to?
And what about blacks?
... repeat ad nauseum...
 
2013-11-05 02:28:59 PM  

frepnog: I have no problem with gay people....  but seriously.  We don't all have to bend over backwards for you.


What about forwards?
 
2013-11-05 02:30:53 PM  

Carousel Beast: frepnog: OMGWHOTHEHELLCARES.jpg

seriously.  who gives a shiat who an Italian pasta maker directs its ads to?  Is that 1-5 percent of the world's population seriously worth catering to?

Barilla's profits soared to $81 million in 2012.

I think they'll be fine.

I have no problem with gay people....  but seriously.  We don't all have to bend over backwards for you.

Of course not. Bending forwards is fine.


*shakes tiny little fist*
*reconsiders, drops fist and runs away*
 
2013-11-05 02:32:05 PM  
Another gay news article / cause du jour
 
2013-11-05 02:32:57 PM  

MightyPez: Never in a million years would I let my personal views get in the way of my business and the employees that depend on it for their living.


Italians, man.  farking Italians.
 
2013-11-05 02:37:36 PM  
Oh please, the gays don't cook.
 
2013-11-05 02:37:59 PM  

Buttknuckle: I haven't bought Barilla since I heard what the asshole CEO said. I'm gay though.


Which is why you've heard of this obscure brand of noodles in the first place.
 
2013-11-05 02:38:28 PM  

EvilEgg: Ha ha!  You just realized how much pasta gay people eat.



Ah, the old Billy Carter "There are more A-Rabs than Jews" conundrum. Can you piss off one segment of the population to please another segment, and come out with substatial net positive results?
 
2013-11-05 02:38:52 PM  

LarryDan43: Oh please, the gays don't cook.


Pasta isn't cooking.  That's just boiling water.

imgs.tuts.dragoart.com
 
2013-11-05 02:42:20 PM  
What's been done, has effectively set the pasta maker into a situation where they will be around for a long time. There will now be a large amount of people that will buy it just to piss you off and make themselves feel good that they support what, they support. Sometimes, it's just better to leave things alone rather than cry "repression". Sooner or later, you're going to understand this. It's not going to be sooner, as it's already out there. So you might want to learn, that sometimes, just leave it be instead of being "outraged" and for what? Pasta? Are you serious? It's fine to be pissed off about something, it's actually good. But, when you start turning yourselves into the very same thing you're pissed off about. That's pretty counter productive. I've now placed you into the same boat as the so called "Christian right". You go ahead and be mad, we'll view you the same as we do them. Now exactly what have you accomplished? Nothing.
 
2013-11-05 02:44:47 PM  
Add me to the list of straight dudes that started avoiding Barilla as soon as I became aware of the douchnozzle who runs the company.  There are dozens of other brands on the shelf at my supermarket from companies that demonstrate a good deal more intelligence.  And now that I've formed this opinion of the company it's going to take a whole lot more than a pro-diversity ad campaign to change my mind.
 
2013-11-05 02:45:35 PM  
Everyone should cater to bisexuals they are 80% of the worlds population.
 
2013-11-05 02:49:23 PM  
What's the difference between a gay Italian and a straight Italian? A bottle of chianti!

//c'mon, I was the first person with this joke?
 
2013-11-05 02:49:31 PM  

Corn_Fed: The only thing they can do to truly correct the situation is to the very thing the CEO claimed he would never do: put gay couples in their advertising.


Yes, but it can't be vague, like two metrosexual looking dudes who could possibly be mistaken as heterosexuals who dress well. It has to be unmistakably gay. I suggest a hairy shirtless bear, wearing black leather chaps, and holding a whip in one hand. He will be feeding pasta to a heavily tattooed skinny twink through the mouth hole of his eyeless leather head mask. Heavy electronic dance music will provide the beat. That would be unmistakably gay.
 
2013-11-05 02:50:55 PM  

frepnog: OMGWHOTHEHELLCARES.jpg

seriously.  who gives a shiat who an Italian pasta maker directs its ads to?  Is that 1-5 percent of the world's population seriously worth catering to?

Barilla's profits soared to $81 million in 2012.

I think they'll be fine.

I have no problem with gay people....  but seriously.  We don't all have to bend over backwards for you.


FTFY
 
2013-11-05 02:51:59 PM  

Atomic Spunk: That would be unmistakably gay.


26.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-11-05 02:52:02 PM  
heh, the gays do love a good boy cot.

/i keed, i keed
 
2013-11-05 02:52:19 PM  

Atomic Spunk: Corn_Fed: The only thing they can do to truly correct the situation is to the very thing the CEO claimed he would never do: put gay couples in their advertising.

Yes, but it can't be vague, like two metrosexual looking dudes who could possibly be mistaken as heterosexuals who dress well. It has to be unmistakably gay. I suggest a hairy shirtless bear, wearing black leather chaps, and holding a whip in one hand. He will be feeding pasta to a heavily tattooed skinny twink through the mouth hole of his eyeless leather head mask. Heavy electronic dance music will provide the beat. That would be unmistakably gay.


I suppose a gay guy giving a lesbian a friendly embrace is out of the question?
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-11-05 02:53:00 PM  

Maud Dib: F Barilla, I like bewbs on my pasta.


[www.dececco.it image 218x283]


I prefer pasta on bewbies.....
 
2013-11-05 02:53:55 PM  

bigwave: penni


LMAO

Seriously.... Gay or straight? Who F**king cares.! It's pasta! Buy it, don't buy it, but don't try to make a but*hurt social statement about it!
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-11-05 02:54:16 PM  

frepnog: LarryDan43: Oh please, the gays don't cook.

Pasta isn't cooking.  That's just boiling water.

[imgs.tuts.dragoart.com image 836x956]


Right. Because the dough mixes, kneads and presses itself magically.

/you have never made pasta
 
2013-11-05 02:55:17 PM  

silvervial: apoptotic: The two Barilla ads I've been seeing a lot of lately (they're spamming Hulu) both feature women shopping alone and being spirited out of the frozen foods aisle and taken home by some Italian guy in a convertible, where a chef proceeds to teach them how to heat up Barilla frozen dinners.

They're f*cking creepy.

I think those ads are for Bertoli, but I could be wrong.

As for Barilla, I wrote and told them that they had not only offended gay people, but all the straight people, like myself, a woman who makes the shopping decisions in my traditional family, who support gay people were also offended.

Tiny demographic, my ass!


Ah yes, you're right. That I automatically associated creepy with Barilla probably doesn't bode well though.

*makes mental note that Barilla is homophobic, Bertolli is creepy*
 
2013-11-05 02:55:49 PM  

gja: frepnog: LarryDan43: Oh please, the gays don't cook.

Pasta isn't cooking.  That's just boiling water.

[imgs.tuts.dragoart.com image 836x956]

Right. Because the dough mixes, kneads and presses itself magically.

/you have never made pasta


why should I for a buck a box.

seriously.  It is far cheaper and less time consuming to purchase pasta.  I have no need to make my own spaghetti noodles.
 
2013-11-05 02:56:35 PM  
too little too late, PR team.  what happened to professionalism?  politics and religion are for at home.  if Guido doesn't get that, it's safe to say he's crossing the live-and-let-live boundary too, whenever he likes.
i don't know if single people eat cracker, and frankly i don't want to know!
 
2013-11-05 02:57:31 PM  

MightyPez: Never in a million years would I let my personal views get in the way of my business and the employees that depend on it for their living. It's the height of narcissism and irresponsibility.


But is that really true?  What if you were the CEO of a competing pasta company and someone asked if you would ever use a gay couple in your commercials?  Would you respond somewhere along the lines of "Sure, doesn't matter if the people in our ads are straight or gay."  Seems harmless, but I would bet those who support a "traditional" marriage would find that sort of response to be in support of gay rights and a political statement. If you try to dodge the question altogether, then it comes a "thing" and gets a life of its own.  "What's MightyPez Pasta company hiding?"

Obviously I get your very sound and reasonable view of not allowing personal stance be a representation of your company.  I just think it may not be easy when  the media likes to stir the pot.
 
2013-11-05 02:59:27 PM  

AllUpInYa: Aren't there more muslims than gays?
If so, shouldn't they be ahead of the gays, being advertised to?
And what about blacks?
... repeat ad nauseum...


No. Because (a) the company CEO didn't publicly discriminate against those groups on behalf of the company and (b) it's not about the group, it's about discrimination being wrong.

/You dumbasses STILL don't get it, do you?
//First they came for the gays, and I did not speak up because I was not gay...
 
2013-11-05 02:59:42 PM  
Subby, it's "in an attempt to get gays to eat their noodles".No, no don't thank me.
 
2013-11-05 03:02:37 PM  

Buttknuckle: frepnog: Grand_Moff_Joseph: frepnog: OMGWHOTHEHELLCARES.jpg

seriously.  who gives a shiat who an Italian pasta maker directs its ads to?  Is that 1-5 percent of the world's population seriously worth catering to?

Barilla's profits soared to $81 million in 2012.

I think they'll be fine.

I have no problem with gay people....  but seriously.  We don't all have to bend over backwards for you.

3/10.  That should get a few bites.

Who is trolling?  Chik-Fil-A doesn't support gay people, and they are doing just fine.  Gay or not, that sweet sweet chicken is hard to resist.

Personally I just buy the cheapest pasta I can get.  Great Value pasta is like a buck a box and tastes just like...  wait for it....  pasta.

I haven't bought Barilla since I heard what the asshole CEO said.  I'm gay though.  I would hope that if I were straight, I wouldn't throw out ignorant comments like "I have no problem with gay people....  but seriously.  We don't all have to bend over backwards for you" because that is just all kinda of stupid.

I actually see you on here a lot and think you are trolling.


I'm straight. My extended Italian family has been using Barilla for years. I don't anymore. What he said was completely ignorant. San Giorgio now, thanks.
 
2013-11-05 03:04:22 PM  

whatsupchuck: Add me to the list of straight dudes that started avoiding Barilla as soon as I became aware of the douchnozzle who runs the company.  There are dozens of other brands on the shelf at my supermarket from companies that demonstrate a good deal more intelligence.  And now that I've formed this opinion of the company it's going to take a whole lot more than a pro-diversity ad campaign to change my mind.


Likewise.
 
2013-11-05 03:05:01 PM  
Let me know when you get 100% Whole Grain Pasta and we'll talk about buying your product again. No 51% Whole Grain isn't 100% Whole Grain.
 
2013-11-05 03:06:31 PM  

Snarfangel: Atomic Spunk: Corn_Fed: The only thing they can do to truly correct the situation is to the very thing the CEO claimed he would never do: put gay couples in their advertising.

Yes, but it can't be vague, like two metrosexual looking dudes who could possibly be mistaken as heterosexuals who dress well. It has to be unmistakably gay. I suggest a hairy shirtless bear, wearing black leather chaps, and holding a whip in one hand. He will be feeding pasta to a heavily tattooed skinny twink through the mouth hole of his eyeless leather head mask. Heavy electronic dance music will provide the beat. That would be unmistakably gay.

I suppose a gay guy giving a lesbian a friendly embrace is out of the question?


Is the gay guy wearing a white skintight rubber body suit, black lipstick and heavy mascara? Does the lesbian have spiky hair, a neck tattoo and 31 earrings on one ear while wearing a loose flannel shirt? Then yeah, I guess it's ok.
 
2013-11-05 03:07:34 PM  

SlodaMan: MightyPez: Never in a million years would I let my personal views get in the way of my business and the employees that depend on it for their living. It's the height of narcissism and irresponsibility.

But is that really true?  What if you were the CEO of a competing pasta company and someone asked if you would ever use a gay couple in your commercials?  Would you respond somewhere along the lines of "Sure, doesn't matter if the people in our ads are straight or gay."  Seems harmless, but I would bet those who support a "traditional" marriage would find that sort of response to be in support of gay rights and a political statement. If you try to dodge the question altogether, then it comes a "thing" and gets a life of its own.  "What's MightyPez Pasta company hiding?"

Obviously I get your very sound and reasonable view of not allowing personal stance be a representation of your company.  I just think it may not be easy when  the media likes to stir the pot.


True, but that's also a lot different than an outright declaration. I would hope if I were CEO I could have a little more tact when responding to if our ads would include gay people than to say (paraphrasing, of course) "No! Family values!'
 
2013-11-05 03:10:13 PM  

pgh9fan: What he said was completely ignorant.


why is it ignorant to say you support traditional families and won't use gay couples in advertising?

"The pasta maker fought boycott calls after chief executive Guido Barilla gave an interview in September in which he said that "the concept of a canonical family remains one of the fundamental values of the business."
Asked if he would include a gay couple in one of his television commercials, he said: "We would not do it because ours is a traditional family".
"If (gay people) like our pasta, they can eat it. If they do not like it, if they do not like what we say, they can eat a different one," he added"

That is not ignorance.  That is refusing to cater to a minor demographic.
 
2013-11-05 03:10:26 PM  
Thank God! Hotdogs at Twofor Tuesdays was so stereotypical. Gay Pasta Tuesdays should break up the monotony for awhile.
 
2013-11-05 03:11:47 PM  

frepnog: seriously.  It is far cheaper and less time consuming to purchase pasta.  I have no need to make my own spaghetti noodles.


Barilla's next ad campaign.

Make my own pasta?
spinnakr.com
Quickly followed by a damage control campaign.
 
2013-11-05 03:15:03 PM  

MightyPez: SlodaMan: MightyPez: Never in a million years would I let my personal views get in the way of my business and the employees that depend on it for their living. It's the height of narcissism and irresponsibility.

But is that really true?  What if you were the CEO of a competing pasta company and someone asked if you would ever use a gay couple in your commercials?  Would you respond somewhere along the lines of "Sure, doesn't matter if the people in our ads are straight or gay."  Seems harmless, but I would bet those who support a "traditional" marriage would find that sort of response to be in support of gay rights and a political statement. If you try to dodge the question altogether, then it comes a "thing" and gets a life of its own.  "What's MightyPez Pasta company hiding?"

Obviously I get your very sound and reasonable view of not allowing personal stance be a representation of your company.  I just think it may not be easy when  the media likes to stir the pot.

True, but that's also a lot different than an outright declaration. I would hope if I were CEO I could have a little more tact when responding to if our ads would include gay people than to say (paraphrasing, of course) "No! Family values!'


Let us know how that thought works out about 5 or 10 years down the line when you own your own company.
Just remember how well the "Christian right" has done so well with attempting to shove their beliefs upon us.
Do you really think doing the same is going to give you a different outcome? No, it's not. It's just going to make people despise you more for it. Well hey, maybe, the two groups should join up and try to do the same thing. After all, it's seemed to work so far.

Oh wait..............
 
2013-11-05 03:16:47 PM  

The Evil Home Brewer: bigwave: penni

LMAO

Seriously.... Gay or straight? Who F**king cares.! It's pasta! Buy it, don't buy it, but don't try to make a but*hurt social statement about it!


Wait, are you talking about the company?  Because it was Barilla that made the social statement.  People  reacted to the social statement made by the company.   You're not making much sense with your post.
 
2013-11-05 03:16:59 PM  
Christ, my pasta has an agenda?
 
2013-11-05 03:19:03 PM  
As a Pastafarian i can tell you that no where in the King Barilla version of the Bible does it have any thing to sayabout gays
 
2013-11-05 03:19:35 PM  
Gay pasta?  Whatever.  I only buy Catholic pasta, since it doesn't come in a box.  It comes in little cans.
 
2013-11-05 03:19:54 PM  

kerrigand: Let us know how that thought works out about 5 or 10 years down the line when you own your own company.
Just remember how well the "Christian right" has done so well with attempting to shove their beliefs upon us.


this is one problem that I DO have with certain gay people.

ACCEPT US OR ELSE is never a good plan.
 
2013-11-05 03:20:28 PM  

frepnog: pgh9fan: What he said was completely ignorant.

why is it ignorant to say you support traditional families and won't use gay couples in advertising?

"The pasta maker fought boycott calls after chief executive Guido Barilla gave an interview in September in which he said that "the concept of a canonical family remains one of the fundamental values of the business."
Asked if he would include a gay couple in one of his television commercials, he said: "We would not do it because ours is a traditional family".
"If (gay people) like our pasta, they can eat it. If they do not like it, if they do not like what we say, they can eat a different one," he added"

That is not ignorance.  That is refusing to cater to a minor demographicbigotry.


FTFY

You are correct though - he is just voicing his company's opinion.  It's not necessarily ignorant, just bigoted.  It's perfectly fine for him to do so, just as it's perfectly fine for those who disagree with his bigotry to avoid his company's products.

See?  Everybody wins!
 
2013-11-05 03:21:34 PM  

frepnog: kerrigand: Let us know how that thought works out about 5 or 10 years down the line when you own your own company.
Just remember how well the "Christian right" has done so well with attempting to shove their beliefs upon us.

this is one problem that I DO have with certain gay people.

ACCEPT US OR ELSE is never a good plan.


I do believe that's what was stated or are you too dense or drunk to realize that?
 
2013-11-05 03:21:40 PM  

frepnog: kerrigand: Let us know how that thought works out about 5 or 10 years down the line when you own your own company.
Just remember how well the "Christian right" has done so well with attempting to shove their beliefs upon us.

this is one problem that I DO have with certain blackpeople.

ACCEPT US OR ELSE is never a good plan.


Just wanted to see how it looks when we flip the script.

Wow.  Sounds just as terrible.
 
2013-11-05 03:22:38 PM  

kerrigand: Let us know how that thought works out about 5 or 10 years down the line when you own your own company.
Just remember how well the "Christian right" has done so well with attempting to shove their beliefs upon us.
Do you really think doing the same is going to give you a different outcome? No, it's not. It's just going to make people despise you more for it. Well hey, maybe, the two groups should join up and try to do the same thing. After all, it's seemed to work so far.

Oh wait..............


I honestly have no idea what you're getting at with this.
 
2013-11-05 03:23:21 PM  

Wrath of Heaven: Christ, my pasta has an agenda?


in your vagina!  it's more likely than you think.
 
2013-11-05 03:23:40 PM  

MightyPez: kerrigand: Let us know how that thought works out about 5 or 10 years down the line when you own your own company.
Just remember how well the "Christian right" has done so well with attempting to shove their beliefs upon us.
Do you really think doing the same is going to give you a different outcome? No, it's not. It's just going to make people despise you more for it. Well hey, maybe, the two groups should join up and try to do the same thing. After all, it's seemed to work so far.

Oh wait..............

I honestly have no idea what you're getting at with this.


Sure you do. You're just too hardheaded to think beyond yourself.
 
2013-11-05 03:26:08 PM  

Kuroshin: frepnog: kerrigand: Let us know how that thought works out about 5 or 10 years down the line when you own your own company.
Just remember how well the "Christian right" has done so well with attempting to shove their beliefs upon us.

this is one problem that I DO have with certain blackpeople.

ACCEPT US OR ELSE is never a good plan.

Just wanted to see how it looks when we flip the script.

Wow.  Sounds just as terrible.


this is not about gay rights.  don't act like it is.  this is a pasta company that doesn't want to cater to gay people.  the company stated that if they don't like it they can buy someone else's pasta.  that is the free market at work.

Kuroshin: You are correct though - he is just voicing his company's opinion. It's not necessarily ignorant, just bigoted.


I suppose that is the case.  People have a right to be bigots, I suppose.
 
2013-11-05 03:28:14 PM  

kerrigand: MightyPez: kerrigand: Let us know how that thought works out about 5 or 10 years down the line when you own your own company.
Just remember how well the "Christian right" has done so well with attempting to shove their beliefs upon us.
Do you really think doing the same is going to give you a different outcome? No, it's not. It's just going to make people despise you more for it. Well hey, maybe, the two groups should join up and try to do the same thing. After all, it's seemed to work so far.

Oh wait..............

I honestly have no idea what you're getting at with this.

Sure you do. You're just too hardheaded to think beyond yourself.


Ok, crazy rant. Got it.
 
2013-11-05 03:30:39 PM  

kerrigand: MightyPez: kerrigand: Let us know how that thought works out about 5 or 10 years down the line when you own your own company.
Just remember how well the "Christian right" has done so well with attempting to shove their beliefs upon us.
Do you really think doing the same is going to give you a different outcome? No, it's not. It's just going to make people despise you more for it. Well hey, maybe, the two groups should join up and try to do the same thing. After all, it's seemed to work so far.

Oh wait..............

I honestly have no idea what you're getting at with this.

Sure you do. You're just too hardheaded to think beyond yourself.



Are you really trying to equate how someone is born with a religious movement?

I agree - I have no idea what you're trying to say.  Maybe that gays not wanting to be treated as second-class citizens is somehow the same as Christians demanding that everything in society conform to their religious dictates?  Still doesn't parse.

Help me out here.  How does a minority not wanting to be treated as abomination equate with a religion attempting to take over society?
 
2013-11-05 03:31:17 PM  

kerrigand: MightyPez: kerrigand: Let us know how that thought works out about 5 or 10 years down the line when you own your own company.
Just remember how well the "Christian right" has done so well with attempting to shove their beliefs upon us.
Do you really think doing the same is going to give you a different outcome? No, it's not. It's just going to make people despise you more for it. Well hey, maybe, the two groups should join up and try to do the same thing. After all, it's seemed to work so far.

Oh wait..............

I honestly have no idea what you're getting at with this.

Sure you do. You're just too hardheaded to think beyond yourself.


Perhaps if you boiled him in water for 10-12 minutes...
 
2013-11-05 03:31:37 PM  

MightyPez: kerrigand: MightyPez: kerrigand: Let us know how that thought works out about 5 or 10 years down the line when you own your own company.
Just remember how well the "Christian right" has done so well with attempting to shove their beliefs upon us.
Do you really think doing the same is going to give you a different outcome? No, it's not. It's just going to make people despise you more for it. Well hey, maybe, the two groups should join up and try to do the same thing. After all, it's seemed to work so far.

Oh wait..............

I honestly have no idea what you're getting at with this.

Sure you do. You're just too hardheaded to think beyond yourself.

Ok, crazy rant. Got it.


Nice, you spippet conversations that you don't want to apply to you or that you've said and you want to distance yourself from. The rest are just crazy rants.

Got it.
 
2013-11-05 03:36:02 PM  

frepnog: Grand_Moff_Joseph: frepnog: OMGWHOTHEHELLCARES.jpg

seriously.  who gives a shiat who an Italian pasta maker directs its ads to?  Is that 1-5 percent of the world's population seriously worth catering to?

Barilla's profits soared to $81 million in 2012.

I think they'll be fine.

I have no problem with gay people....  but seriously.  We don't all have to bend over backwards for you.

3/10.  That should get a few bites.

Who is trolling?  Chik-Fil-A doesn't support gay people, and they are doing just fine.  Gay or not, that sweet sweet chicken is hard to resist.

Personally I just buy the cheapest pasta I can get.  Great Value pasta is like a buck a box and tastes just like...  wait for it....  pasta.


I used to love Chik-Fil-A, but I can't bring myself to give them a single dollar now. I know they won't miss my $5 a month or anything, but it's the principle. They want to be all derptastic and fundie, then they don't get a penny from some people. Stay out of politics and they wouldn't have that problem (assuming it's any kind of problem to them at all).
 
2013-11-05 03:37:28 PM  
frepnog: Kuroshin: frepnog: kerrigand: Let us know how that thought works out about 5 or 10 years down the line when you own your own company.
Just remember how well the "Christian right" has done so well with attempting to shove their beliefs upon us.

this is one problem that I DO have with certain blackpeople.

ACCEPT US OR ELSE is never a good plan.

Just wanted to see how it looks when we flip the script.

Wow.  Sounds just as terrible.

this is not about gay rights.  don't act like it is.  this is a pasta company that doesn't want to cater to gay people.  the company stated that if they don't like it they can buy someone else's pasta.  that is the free market at work.



Hey now, I only changed one single word in your post.  Those are your words up there.  And I do agree with you about 'free market solutions', and that's exactly what has been happening.  However, this thread has plenty of posts - yours included - that appeal to those offended to STFU and GTFO.  Bigotry is still a VERY large problem, and shutting up about it is not a sensible or reasonable answer.  It didn't work for blacks, and it won't work for gays.


Kuroshin: You are correct though - he is just voicing his company's opinion. It's not necessarily ignorant, just bigoted.

I suppose that is the case.  People have a right to be bigots, I suppose.



Yes, they do.  I will never claim otherwise.  However, others have just as much right to be offended by said bigotry, and speak their outrage.  Freedom is a two-way street.
 
2013-11-05 03:38:09 PM  

Kuroshin: kerrigand: MightyPez: kerrigand: Let us know how that thought works out about 5 or 10 years down the line when you own your own company.
Just remember how well the "Christian right" has done so well with attempting to shove their beliefs upon us.
Do you really think doing the same is going to give you a different outcome? No, it's not. It's just going to make people despise you more for it. Well hey, maybe, the two groups should join up and try to do the same thing. After all, it's seemed to work so far.

Oh wait..............

I honestly have no idea what you're getting at with this.

Sure you do. You're just too hardheaded to think beyond yourself.


Are you really trying to equate how someone is born with a religious movement?

I agree - I have no idea what you're trying to say.  Maybe that gays not wanting to be treated as second-class citizens is somehow the same as Christians demanding that everything in society conform to their religious dictates?  Still doesn't parse.

Help me out here.  How does a minority not wanting to be treated as abomination equate with a religion attempting to take over society?


Here's your help since you're too stupid to understand.

1. Christian right, attempts to force their beliefs upon us. What do you do...rebel against it. Nothing wrong with that.

2. Gay right, attempts to force their beliefs up us. What do you do. hmmm.....interesting. the same thing happens, yet we're all bigots.

See an issue with this? No? Well if you don't, then the two of you are the same. No different and if you think you are, you might want to go back to the drawing board with this.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-11-05 03:38:16 PM  

frepnog: gja: frepnog: LarryDan43: Oh please, the gays don't cook.

Pasta isn't cooking.  That's just boiling water.

[imgs.tuts.dragoart.com image 836x956]

Right. Because the dough mixes, kneads and presses itself magically.

/you have never made pasta

why should I for a buck a box.

seriously.  It is far cheaper and less time consuming to purchase pasta.  I have no need to make my own spaghetti noodles.


Cheap is as cheap does dude. My pasta and sauce do NOT come pre-made. To me it is heresy.
 
2013-11-05 03:38:33 PM  

menschenfresser: frepnog: Grand_Moff_Joseph: frepnog: OMGWHOTHEHELLCARES.jpg

seriously.  who gives a shiat who an Italian pasta maker directs its ads to?  Is that 1-5 percent of the world's population seriously worth catering to?

Barilla's profits soared to $81 million in 2012.

I think they'll be fine.

I have no problem with gay people....  but seriously.  We don't all have to bend over backwards for you.

3/10.  That should get a few bites.

Who is trolling?  Chik-Fil-A doesn't support gay people, and they are doing just fine.  Gay or not, that sweet sweet chicken is hard to resist.

Personally I just buy the cheapest pasta I can get.  Great Value pasta is like a buck a box and tastes just like...  wait for it....  pasta.

I used to love Chik-Fil-A, but I can't bring myself to give them a single dollar now. I know they won't miss my $5 a month or anything, but it's the principle. They want to be all derptastic and fundie, then they don't get a penny from some people. Stay out of politics and they wouldn't have that problem (assuming it's any kind of problem to them at all).


It's no problem.

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/traditional-values-pay-chick-fil-a- ma kes-record-breaking-profits-after-marr
 
2013-11-05 03:38:33 PM  

EvilEgg: Ha ha!  You just realized how much pasta gay people eat.

/Do they eat more pasta than straight people?
//Vegetarians eat more than carnivores
///Not sure what that last fact has to do with anything


I'm straight but I don't believe in discriminating against people. Two weeks ago they had Barilla pasta and sauce buy-one-get-one-free. I waited til the next week and got another brand on sale. Power of the market, y'all!
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-11-05 03:40:33 PM  

kerrigand: Kuroshin: kerrigand: MightyPez: kerrigand: Let us know how that thought works out about 5 or 10 years down the line when you own your own company.
Just remember how well the "Christian right" has done so well with attempting to shove their beliefs upon us.
Do you really think doing the same is going to give you a different outcome? No, it's not. It's just going to make people despise you more for it. Well hey, maybe, the two groups should join up and try to do the same thing. After all, it's seemed to work so far.

Oh wait..............

I honestly have no idea what you're getting at with this.

Sure you do. You're just too hardheaded to think beyond yourself.


Are you really trying to equate how someone is born with a religious movement?

I agree - I have no idea what you're trying to say.  Maybe that gays not wanting to be treated as second-class citizens is somehow the same as Christians demanding that everything in society conform to their religious dictates?  Still doesn't parse.

Help me out here.  How does a minority not wanting to be treated as abomination equate with a religion attempting to take over society?

Here's your help since you're too stupid to understand.

1. Christian right, attempts to force their beliefs upon us. What do you do...rebel against it. Nothing wrong with that.

2. Gay right, attempts to force their beliefs up us. What do you do. hmmm.....interesting. the same thing happens, yet we're all bigots.

See an issue with this? No? Well if you don't, then the two of you are the same. No different and if you think you are, you might want to go back to the drawing board with this.


Hope you have asbestos shorts.
 
2013-11-05 03:41:47 PM  

gja: kerrigand: Kuroshin: kerrigand: MightyPez: kerrigand: Let us know how that thought works out about 5 or 10 years down the line when you own your own company.
Just remember how well the "Christian right" has done so well with attempting to shove their beliefs upon us.
Do you really think doing the same is going to give you a different outcome? No, it's not. It's just going to make people despise you more for it. Well hey, maybe, the two groups should join up and try to do the same thing. After all, it's seemed to work so far.

Oh wait..............

I honestly have no idea what you're getting at with this.

Sure you do. You're just too hardheaded to think beyond yourself.


Are you really trying to equate how someone is born with a religious movement?

I agree - I have no idea what you're trying to say.  Maybe that gays not wanting to be treated as second-class citizens is somehow the same as Christians demanding that everything in society conform to their religious dictates?  Still doesn't parse.

Help me out here.  How does a minority not wanting to be treated as abomination equate with a religion attempting to take over society?

Here's your help since you're too stupid to understand.

1. Christian right, attempts to force their beliefs upon us. What do you do...rebel against it. Nothing wrong with that.

2. Gay right, attempts to force their beliefs up us. What do you do. hmmm.....interesting. the same thing happens, yet we're all bigots.

See an issue with this? No? Well if you don't, then the two of you are the same. No different and if you think you are, you might want to go back to the drawing board with this.

Hope you have asbestos shorts.


He doesn't understand that he's a bigot. Most bigots don't feel that they are bigots. But that doesn't make them not a bigot.
 
2013-11-05 03:42:37 PM  

MightyPez: kerrigand: Let us know how that thought works out about 5 or 10 years down the line when you own your own company.
Just remember how well the "Christian right" has done so well with attempting to shove their beliefs upon us.
Do you really think doing the same is going to give you a different outcome? No, it's not. It's just going to make people despise you more for it. Well hey, maybe, the two groups should join up and try to do the same thing. After all, it's seemed to work so far.

Oh wait..............

I honestly have no idea what you're getting at with this.


He\she is a brave Fark Independent.
Boldly derping where no man has derped before.
 
2013-11-05 03:42:50 PM  

Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: EvilEgg: Ha ha!  You just realized how much pasta gay people eat.

/Do they eat more pasta than straight people?
//Vegetarians eat more than carnivores
///Not sure what that last fact has to do with anything

I'm straight but I don't believe in discriminating against people. Two weeks ago they had Barilla pasta and sauce buy-one-get-one-free. I waited til the next week and got another brand on sale. Power of the market, y'all!


There ya go. If you don't like them. Don't use them. It really is that simple. Anytime you rally against something, that strange equal and equal thing comes up. Not sure why, I'll let you figure that one out.
 
2013-11-05 03:42:57 PM  

frepnog: menschenfresser: frepnog: Grand_Moff_Joseph: frepnog: OMGWHOTHEHELLCARES.jpg

seriously.  who gives a shiat who an Italian pasta maker directs its ads to?  Is that 1-5 percent of the world's population seriously worth catering to?

Barilla's profits soared to $81 million in 2012.

I think they'll be fine.

I have no problem with gay people....  but seriously.  We don't all have to bend over backwards for you.

3/10.  That should get a few bites.

Who is trolling?  Chik-Fil-A doesn't support gay people, and they are doing just fine.  Gay or not, that sweet sweet chicken is hard to resist.

Personally I just buy the cheapest pasta I can get.  Great Value pasta is like a buck a box and tastes just like...  wait for it....  pasta.

I used to love Chik-Fil-A, but I can't bring myself to give them a single dollar now. I know they won't miss my $5 a month or anything, but it's the principle. They want to be all derptastic and fundie, then they don't get a penny from some people. Stay out of politics and they wouldn't have that problem (assuming it's any kind of problem to them at all).

It's no problem.

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/traditional-values-pay-chick-fil-a- ma kes-record-breaking-profits-after-marr


Right; I'm sure it actually increased business with the derp crowd. "Traditional values" my ass. Surely they could put "Family" in the name of their organization/publication like most hate groups do.
 
2013-11-05 03:43:28 PM  

gja: Cheap is as cheap does dude. My pasta and sauce do NOT come pre-made. To me it is heresy.


and I am sure it is delicious. I just don't have the time or inclination.

Well....  actually I do make my own sauces from time to time.
 
2013-11-05 03:44:37 PM  

The Evil Home Brewer: bigwave: penni

LMAO

Seriously.... Gay or straight? Who F**king cares.! It's pasta! Buy it, don't buy it, but don't try to make a but*hurt social statement about it!


The gay/straight thing matters to the company. Otherwise, why come out and say that gay people need to buy pasta elsewhere?

People didn't just up and decide that Barilla hates gays, they came out and told us. Now they are suffering the consequences of their free speech. Nobody put them into this position except themselves.
 
2013-11-05 03:44:48 PM  

Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: gja: kerrigand: Kuroshin: kerrigand: MightyPez: kerrigand: Let us know how that thought works out about 5 or 10 years down the line when you own your own company.
Just remember how well the "Christian right" has done so well with attempting to shove their beliefs upon us.
Do you really think doing the same is going to give you a different outcome? No, it's not. It's just going to make people despise you more for it. Well hey, maybe, the two groups should join up and try to do the same thing. After all, it's seemed to work so far.

Oh wait..............

I honestly have no idea what you're getting at with this.

Sure you do. You're just too hardheaded to think beyond yourself.


Are you really trying to equate how someone is born with a religious movement?

I agree - I have no idea what you're trying to say.  Maybe that gays not wanting to be treated as second-class citizens is somehow the same as Christians demanding that everything in society conform to their religious dictates?  Still doesn't parse.

Help me out here.  How does a minority not wanting to be treated as abomination equate with a religion attempting to take over society?

Here's your help since you're too stupid to understand.

1. Christian right, attempts to force their beliefs upon us. What do you do...rebel against it. Nothing wrong with that.

2. Gay right, attempts to force their beliefs up us. What do you do. hmmm.....interesting. the same thing happens, yet we're all bigots.

See an issue with this? No? Well if you don't, then the two of you are the same. No different and if you think you are, you might want to go back to the drawing board with this.

Hope you have asbestos shorts.

He doesn't understand that he's a bigot. Most bigots don't feel that they are bigots. But that doesn't make them not a bigot.


So, I remain without differential feelings between the two and that makes me a bigot.

Then, by all means, enlighten us at to what you are?
 
2013-11-05 03:45:01 PM  

kerrigand: Kuroshin: Help me out here.  How does a minority not wanting to be treated as abomination equate with a religion attempting to take over society?

Here's your help since you're too stupid to understand.

1. Christian right, attempts to force their beliefs upon us. What do you do...rebel against it. Nothing wrong with that.

2. Gay right, attempts to force their beliefs up us. What do you do. hmmm.....interesting. the same thing happens, yet we're all bigots.

See an issue with this? No? Well if you don't, then the two of you are the same. No different and if you think you are, you might want to go back to the drawing board with this.



What beliefs?  No, seriously, what beliefs?  That's where we're not understanding you.

Oh wait, are you...are you really one of those people who believe being gay is a choice?

Oh dear...

Bless your heart.
 
2013-11-05 03:45:27 PM  
MightyPez:
Hell, I'm straight and didn't even know this was a thing until now. My pasta preferences are usually "Hey, which one is on sale/the cheapest?" and I grab that one. But now when I go to buy it I get to add "And which ones are not Barilla?"

I'm not sure if it was a coincidence or not, but a few days after i heard this story i went grocery shopping and all Barilla noodles were on a mega sale at $1 a pack.  Cheaper then generic grocery store brand. (from what i remember they are usually considered a premium brand of noodle).

/I bought the store brand for 15 cents more.
 
2013-11-05 03:45:40 PM  
kerrigand:
2. Gay right, attempts to force their beliefs up us. What do you do. hmmm.....interesting. the same thing happens, yet we're all bigots.

See an issue with this? No? Well if you don't, then the two of you are the same. No different and if you think you are, you might want to go back to the drawing board with this.



Evil gheys, always trying to force things up us.
 
2013-11-05 03:47:12 PM  

menschenfresser: Right; I'm sure it actually increased business with the derp crowd. "Traditional values" my ass. Surely they could put "Family" in the name of their organization/publication like most hate groups do.


Why is it hate?
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-11-05 03:47:43 PM  

frepnog: gja: Cheap is as cheap does dude. My pasta and sauce do NOT come pre-made. To me it is heresy.

and I am sure it is delicious. I just don't have the time or inclination.

Well....  actually I do make my own sauces from time to time.


There is a deep and meaningful satisfaction in making food with your own hands and see everyone feast on it like a pack of sharks in a frenzy while they smack their lips and fight over seconds. Maybe it's the paternal element in me, maybe the frustrated chef and Saucier coming through.

I love cooking nearly as much as eating good food.
 
2013-11-05 03:49:16 PM  

brimed03: AllUpInYa: Aren't there more muslims than gays?
If so, shouldn't they be ahead of the gays, being advertised to?
And what about blacks?
... repeat ad nauseum...

No. Because (a) the company CEO didn't publicly discriminate against those groups on behalf of the company and (b) it's not about the group, it's about discrimination being wrong.

/You dumbasses STILL don't get it, do you?
//First they came for the gays, and I did not speak up because I was not gay...


But why is that even a farking question??

Next, we'll just give them a questionnaire:

"Are you going to have:

gays
muslims
bisexuals
hindus
asians
transexuals
catholics
(etc...)
In your commercials, why/why not?

JUST so that everybody can get butt-hurt that a company doesn't want to spend its every last dime, making advertising campaigns for every demographic.
 
2013-11-05 03:50:15 PM  

Kuroshin: kerrigand: Kuroshin: Help me out here.  How does a minority not wanting to be treated as abomination equate with a religion attempting to take over society?

Here's your help since you're too stupid to understand.

1. Christian right, attempts to force their beliefs upon us. What do you do...rebel against it. Nothing wrong with that.

2. Gay right, attempts to force their beliefs up us. What do you do. hmmm.....interesting. the same thing happens, yet we're all bigots.

See an issue with this? No? Well if you don't, then the two of you are the same. No different and if you think you are, you might want to go back to the drawing board with this.


What beliefs?  No, seriously, what beliefs?  That's where we're not understanding you.

Oh wait, are you...are you really one of those people who believe being gay is a choice?

Oh dear...

Bless your heart.


That statement there is what makes you no different. Understand that, and you'll go far. Misunderstand that, and you'll stay where you are.
 
2013-11-05 03:51:36 PM  

Maud Dib: kerrigand:
2. Gay right, attempts to force their beliefs up us. What do you do. hmmm.....interesting. the same thing happens, yet we're all bigots.

See an issue with this? No? Well if you don't, then the two of you are the same. No different and if you think you are, you might want to go back to the drawing board with this.


Evil gheys, always trying to force things up us.


Did I not say about the Christian right along with that or do you always pick and choose? Isn't that special?
 
2013-11-05 03:51:37 PM  

Kuroshin: frepnog: pgh9fan: What he said was completely ignorant.

why is it ignorant to say you support traditional families and won't use gay couples in advertising?

"The pasta maker fought boycott calls after chief executive Guido Barilla gave an interview in September in which he said that "the concept of a canonical family remains one of the fundamental values of the business."
Asked if he would include a gay couple in one of his television commercials, he said: "We would not do it because ours is a traditional family".
"If (gay people) like our pasta, they can eat it. If they do not like it, if they do not like what we say, they can eat a different one," he added"

That is not ignorance.  That is refusing to cater to a minor demographicbigotry.

FTFY

You are correct though - he is just voicing his company's opinion.  It's not necessarily ignorant, just bigoted.  It's perfectly fine for him to do so, just as it's perfectly fine for those who disagree with his bigotry to avoid his company's products.

See?  Everybody wins!


Wait, sorry, how is bigoted to say that their advertising will feature traditional families? "Ours is a traditional family". Should he lie and say it's not? I get the general concept, but i fail to see how "we want our ads to be traditional" equals "we hate gays". Because it doesn't say that at all.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-11-05 03:52:22 PM  

Kuroshin: kerrigand: Kuroshin: Help me out here.  How does a minority not wanting to be treated as abomination equate with a religion attempting to take over society?

Here's your help since you're too stupid to understand.

1. Christian right, attempts to force their beliefs upon us. What do you do...rebel against it. Nothing wrong with that.

2. Gay right, attempts to force their beliefs up us. What do you do. hmmm.....interesting. the same thing happens, yet we're all bigots.

See an issue with this? No? Well if you don't, then the two of you are the same. No different and if you think you are, you might want to go back to the drawing board with this.


What beliefs?  No, seriously, what beliefs?  That's where we're not understanding you.

Oh wait, are you...are you really one of those people who believe being gay is a choice?

Oh dear...

Bless your heart.


p.gr-assets.com
 
2013-11-05 03:54:50 PM  

toraque: Gay pasta?  Whatever.  I only buy Catholic pasta, since it doesn't come in a box.  It comes in little cans.


May I use that some time?
 
2013-11-05 03:55:53 PM  

apoptotic: silvervial: apoptotic: The two Barilla ads I've been seeing a lot of lately (they're spamming Hulu) both feature women shopping alone and being spirited out of the frozen foods aisle and taken home by some Italian guy in a convertible, where a chef proceeds to teach them how to heat up Barilla frozen dinners.

They're f*cking creepy.

I think those ads are for Bertoli, but I could be wrong.

As for Barilla, I wrote and told them that they had not only offended gay people, but all the straight people, like myself, a woman who makes the shopping decisions in my traditional family, who support gay people were also offended.

Tiny demographic, my ass!

Ah yes, you're right. That I automatically associated creepy with Barilla probably doesn't bode well though.

*makes mental note that Barilla is homophobic, Bertolli is creepy*


One B-something-something-double L-vowel pasta is pretty much the same as the next.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-11-05 03:57:31 PM  

kerrigand: Here's your help since you're too stupid to understand.

1. Christian right, attempts to force their beliefs upon us. What do you do...rebel against it. Nothing wrong with that.

2. Gay right, attempts to force their beliefs up us. What do you do. hmmm.....interesting. the same thing happens, yet we're all bigots.

See an issue with this? No? Well if you don't, then the two of you are the same. No different and if you think you are, you might want to go back to the drawing board with this.


FYI,
Being gay or ant other type of sexual orientation (hetero, trans, etc) has been generally shown to not be a choice but a chemically hardwired brain-type item. (using easy words here to prevent triggering derp-outs).
Religion is most certainly a choice.
 
2013-11-05 03:58:07 PM  

frepnog: menschenfresser: Right; I'm sure it actually increased business with the derp crowd. "Traditional values" my ass. Surely they could put "Family" in the name of their organization/publication like most hate groups do.

Why is it hate?


I hope you're just trolling, but I'll bite.

It's hate because they're actively campaigning to deprive people of rights. That's why.

One side is trying to deprive a group of people of equal rights, claiming some "traditional values" bullshiat. The other side isn't trying to force anything on anyone, unless you count "forcing" the other side not to discriminate against them. Nobody has to marry anyone of the same gender. It's up to personal choice. The "family" (hate) side is saying that "No, you can't have that right because this sacred book says so and it counts as law as far as we're concerned." Freedom, small government, personal choice - things that side goes on and on and on about - have no place in those people's real world. Think about it - one of the main concerns this group that claims to be representing a religion of love and compassion on the one hand, and personal freedom on the other, is a fight to deprive people of rights. Puts the lie to all their claims to the contrary,
 
2013-11-05 03:58:20 PM  

Hebalo: Wait, sorry, how is bigoted to say that their advertising will feature traditional families? "Ours is a traditional family". Should he lie and say it's not? I get the general concept, but i fail to see how "we want our ads to be traditional" equals "we hate gays". Because it doesn't say that at all.


that is what I keep saying.

There is no getting around that the majority of people will not accept gay people.  I personally feel that they deserve every right available, because people are people, but that doesn't mean that most everyone is going to accept the lifestyle.

/yes, of course they are born that way, just as I was born hetero.  Not the point.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-11-05 03:58:30 PM  

dabbletech: toraque: Gay pasta?  Whatever.  I only buy Catholic pasta, since it doesn't come in a box.  It comes in little cans.

May I use that some time?


If it really is catholic it HAS to come in a box or that is a sin....

/i know, sorry everyone, that's gross,  huh?
 
2013-11-05 03:59:45 PM  

gja: Kuroshin: kerrigand: Kuroshin: Help me out here.  How does a minority not wanting to be treated as abomination equate with a religion attempting to take over society?

Here's your help since you're too stupid to understand.

1. Christian right, attempts to force their beliefs upon us. What do you do...rebel against it. Nothing wrong with that.

2. Gay right, attempts to force their beliefs up us. What do you do. hmmm.....interesting. the same thing happens, yet we're all bigots.

See an issue with this? No? Well if you don't, then the two of you are the same. No different and if you think you are, you might want to go back to the drawing board with this.


What beliefs?  No, seriously, what beliefs?  That's where we're not understanding you.

Oh wait, are you...are you really one of those people who believe being gay is a choice?

Oh dear...

Bless your heart.

[p.gr-assets.com image 200x228]



I forgot, Christians were born Christian and gays were born gay. Doesn't seems like a choice to me. But, yet you want to keep trying to tell me that it is.

Who are you trying to convince? Me or your Christian counterparts?
 
2013-11-05 04:00:06 PM  

SlodaMan: MightyPez: Never in a million years would I let my personal views get in the way of my business and the employees that depend on it for their living. It's the height of narcissism and irresponsibility.

But is that really true?  What if you were the CEO of a competing pasta company and someone asked if you would ever use a gay couple in your commercials?  Would you respond somewhere along the lines of "Sure, doesn't matter if the people in our ads are straight or gay."  Seems harmless, but I would bet those who support a "traditional" marriage would find that sort of response to be in support of gay rights and a political statement. If you try to dodge the question altogether, then it comes a "thing" and gets a life of its own.  "What's MightyPez Pasta company hiding?"

Obviously I get your very sound and reasonable view of not allowing personal stance be a representation of your company.  I just think it may not be easy when  the media likes to stir the pot.


No I would say something like "Our marketing team creates adverts based on what they believe will sell the most pasta, we aren't in the business of making social statements on any controversial issue because that can only really lose us money by upsetting customers or potential customers". Boring but the only professional way of doing business.
 
2013-11-05 04:00:21 PM  

menschenfresser: It's hate because they're actively campaigning to deprive people of rights.


so it is a right now to have a company portray gay people in their advertising?

good luck with that one, pal.
 
2013-11-05 04:00:44 PM  

KingVJ: Let me know when you get 100% Whole Grain Pasta and we'll talk about buying your product again. No 51% Whole Grain isn't 100% Whole Grain.


Oddly enough, Kroger's in-store brand is the only 100% whole wheat pasta I have found in my area in Phoenix.  Not too shabby (AND doesn't piss anyone off who doesn't sex in the 'standard' way)!
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-11-05 04:01:37 PM  

kerrigand: gja: Kuroshin: kerrigand: Kuroshin: Help me out here.  How does a minority not wanting to be treated as abomination equate with a religion attempting to take over society?

Here's your help since you're too stupid to understand.

1. Christian right, attempts to force their beliefs upon us. What do you do...rebel against it. Nothing wrong with that.

2. Gay right, attempts to force their beliefs up us. What do you do. hmmm.....interesting. the same thing happens, yet we're all bigots.

See an issue with this? No? Well if you don't, then the two of you are the same. No different and if you think you are, you might want to go back to the drawing board with this.


What beliefs?  No, seriously, what beliefs?  That's where we're not understanding you.

Oh wait, are you...are you really one of those people who believe being gay is a choice?

Oh dear...

Bless your heart.

[p.gr-assets.com image 200x228]


I forgot, Christians were born Christian and gays were born gay. Doesn't seems like a choice to me. But, yet you want to keep trying to tell me that it is.

Who are you trying to convince? Me or your Christian counterparts?


Uhm, I AM christian, FYI. A recovering catholic to be precise. I was not born that way. That is my choice.
I am hetero, and could never be any other way. No choice there sparky.
 
2013-11-05 04:02:49 PM  

frepnog: menschenfresser: It's hate because they're actively campaigning to deprive people of rights.

so it is a right now to have a company portray gay people in their advertising?

good luck with that one, pal.


Oh, you! You know darn well what I was talking about, and it wasn't advertising! Thanks for the feedback all the same; always good to have a civil discussion on this site on the rare occasions it happens.
 
2013-11-05 04:04:24 PM  

gja: kerrigand: Here's your help since you're too stupid to understand.

1. Christian right, attempts to force their beliefs upon us. What do you do...rebel against it. Nothing wrong with that.

2. Gay right, attempts to force their beliefs up us. What do you do. hmmm.....interesting. the same thing happens, yet we're all bigots.

See an issue with this? No? Well if you don't, then the two of you are the same. No different and if you think you are, you might want to go back to the drawing board with this.

FYI,
Being gay or ant other type of sexual orientation (hetero, trans, etc) has been generally shown to not be a choice but a chemically hardwired brain-type item. (using easy words here to prevent triggering derp-outs).
Religion is most certainly a choice.


Oh, Now I understand.

I appreciate your understanding in this.

So you're still the same, they choose to be, you don't.

You choose to be an asshole and well they choose to be assholes.

hmmmm.......ok.....
 
2013-11-05 04:05:25 PM  

purplegiraffe: KingVJ: Let me know when you get 100% Whole Grain Pasta and we'll talk about buying your product again. No 51% Whole Grain isn't 100% Whole Grain.

Oddly enough, Kroger's in-store brand is the only 100% whole wheat pasta I have found in my area in Phoenix.  Not too shabby (AND doesn't piss anyone off who doesn't sex in the 'standard' way)!


Why, the love of all that's good, would you want whole wheat pasta? It's like offering kids ice cream made of 100% radish. If you want pasta, eat pasta. If you want to be healthy, go do that. But don't fool yourself in to thinking whole wheat pasta is anything but an abomination.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-11-05 04:05:54 PM  

kerrigand: gja: kerrigand: Here's your help since you're too stupid to understand.

1. Christian right, attempts to force their beliefs upon us. What do you do...rebel against it. Nothing wrong with that.

2. Gay right, attempts to force their beliefs up us. What do you do. hmmm.....interesting. the same thing happens, yet we're all bigots.

See an issue with this? No? Well if you don't, then the two of you are the same. No different and if you think you are, you might want to go back to the drawing board with this.

FYI,
Being gay or ant other type of sexual orientation (hetero, trans, etc) has been generally shown to not be a choice but a chemically hardwired brain-type item. (using easy words here to prevent triggering derp-outs).
Religion is most certainly a choice.

Oh, Now I understand.

I appreciate your understanding in this.

So you're still the same, they choose to be, you don't.

You choose to be an asshole and well they choose to be assholes.

hmmmm.......ok.....


LOL, WUT?
Your mind is gone.
 
2013-11-05 04:06:42 PM  

frepnog: menschenfresser: Right; I'm sure it actually increased business with the derp crowd. "Traditional values" my ass. Surely they could put "Family" in the name of their organization/publication like most hate groups do.

Why is it hate?


Ahh, right, just claim that hate isn't.  No one will see through that.

It's the same tactic that some of the white supremacists are taking these days, they're claiming that they don't "hate" black people, they just don't want them around.  It's disingenuous, of course.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-11-05 04:07:59 PM  

kerrigand: You choose to be an asshole and well they choose to be assholes.

hmmmm.......ok.....


Oh, and your name-calling pretty much indicates your lack of a viable position.
Do you go all ITG next when I call you an idiot?
 
2013-11-05 04:08:18 PM  

gja: kerrigand: gja: Kuroshin: kerrigand: Kuroshin: Help me out here.  How does a minority not wanting to be treated as abomination equate with a religion attempting to take over society?

Here's your help since you're too stupid to understand.

1. Christian right, attempts to force their beliefs upon us. What do you do...rebel against it. Nothing wrong with that.

2. Gay right, attempts to force their beliefs up us. What do you do. hmmm.....interesting. the same thing happens, yet we're all bigots.

See an issue with this? No? Well if you don't, then the two of you are the same. No different and if you think you are, you might want to go back to the drawing board with this.


What beliefs?  No, seriously, what beliefs?  That's where we're not understanding you.

Oh wait, are you...are you really one of those people who believe being gay is a choice?

Oh dear...

Bless your heart.

[p.gr-assets.com image 200x228]


I forgot, Christians were born Christian and gays were born gay. Doesn't seems like a choice to me. But, yet you want to keep trying to tell me that it is.

Who are you trying to convince? Me or your Christian counterparts?

Uhm, I AM christian, FYI. A recovering catholic to be precise. I was not born that way. That is my choice.
I am hetero, and could never be any other way. No choice there sparky.



So your not born a catholic, but your a "recovering" catholic.

I'm sorry, again, who are you trying to convince? Me or your Christian counterparts?

Your argument doesn't really hold water. I wish you the best and hope that you find your way.
 
2013-11-05 04:09:10 PM  

DarkVader: frepnog: menschenfresser: Right; I'm sure it actually increased business with the derp crowd. "Traditional values" my ass. Surely they could put "Family" in the name of their organization/publication like most hate groups do.

Why is it hate?

Ahh, right, just claim that hate isn't.  No one will see through that.

It's the same tactic that some of the white supremacists are taking these days, they're claiming that they don't "hate" black people, they just don't want them around.  It's disingenuous, of course.


I have a traditional family. No gay people in it. Do I need to start inviting them over every night for dinner, or risk being called a bigot?
 
2013-11-05 04:09:22 PM  

Hebalo: Wait, sorry, how is bigoted to say that their advertising will feature traditional families? "Ours is a traditional family". Should he lie and say it's not? I get the general concept, but i fail to see how "we want our ads to be traditional" equals "we hate gays". Because it doesn't say that at all.


Intentionally excluding a minority because they do not represent what you consider to be an 'ideal' - while not explicitly hate - is still bigotry.  Bigotry does not require hate behind it.

I actually don't believe that the CEO hates gay people.  What he has said is that they are not a part of his world vision.  He has put into words that his company has a bias against 'non-traditional families'.  That is bigotry.

Had he instead stated that "We don't have any plans at this time" and left it at that, it would not have declared a bias, and thus would not have been explicitly bigoted.  It leaves the door open to the future, and shows that while they obviously have a direction they are travelling, they are not biased against homosexuals.  Instead, he slammed the door, put his flag in the ground, and declared that  completely normal human beings are out of the question because of their sexuality.

So yeah, it's bigoted.  It's his right.  As is the backlash the right of those offended.
 
2013-11-05 04:09:57 PM  

DarkVader: frepnog: menschenfresser: Right; I'm sure it actually increased business with the derp crowd. "Traditional values" my ass. Surely they could put "Family" in the name of their organization/publication like most hate groups do.

Why is it hate?

Ahh, right, just claim that hate isn't.  No one will see through that.

It's the same tactic that some of the white supremacists are taking these days, they're claiming that they don't "hate" black people, they just don't want them around.  It's disingenuous, of course.


Segregation was a "tradition" not long ago. Before that, slaveholders could honestly claim that slavery itself was "traditional."  Nobody is trying to force anything on anyone here as far as the gay marriage proponents are concerned (we were talking about Chik-Fil-A upthread). The only ones trying to force anything are the ones saying gays can't have the right to marry because Bible or something derptastic.
 
2013-11-05 04:10:16 PM  

gja: kerrigand: You choose to be an asshole and well they choose to be assholes.

hmmmm.......ok.....

Oh, and your name-calling pretty much indicates your lack of a viable position.
Do you go all ITG next when I call you an idiot?


No, I'm sure that you would enjoy it if I did. But you lost credibility a long time ago.

You still don't understand it, but you did.
 
2013-11-05 04:11:53 PM  

gja: kerrigand: You choose to be an asshole and well they choose to be assholes.

hmmmm.......ok.....

Oh, and your name-calling pretty much indicates your lack of a viable position.
Do you go all ITG next when I call you an idiot?


Oh and calling you an asshole, never did that, but you go ahead and believe that I did. I'll understand your dysfunction.
 
2013-11-05 04:13:26 PM  

Hebalo: DarkVader: frepnog: menschenfresser: Right; I'm sure it actually increased business with the derp crowd. "Traditional values" my ass. Surely they could put "Family" in the name of their organization/publication like most hate groups do.

Why is it hate?

Ahh, right, just claim that hate isn't.  No one will see through that.

It's the same tactic that some of the white supremacists are taking these days, they're claiming that they don't "hate" black people, they just don't want them around.  It's disingenuous, of course.

I have a traditional family. No gay people in it. Do I need to start inviting them over every night for dinner, or risk being called a bigot?


Don't be silly; you know that's not what anyone is saying. Be traditional if you like; that's great if it's what you want. All anyone is saying is that others should be able to have their families too, even if they're different to yours. Doesn't affect the "traditional" crowd in any way except for the ones who want to tell the non-traditional marriages they have no right to exist, and there's no excuse for that.
 
2013-11-05 04:13:26 PM  

Hebalo: DarkVader: frepnog: menschenfresser: Right; I'm sure it actually increased business with the derp crowd. "Traditional values" my ass. Surely they could put "Family" in the name of their organization/publication like most hate groups do.

Why is it hate?

Ahh, right, just claim that hate isn't.  No one will see through that.

It's the same tactic that some of the white supremacists are taking these days, they're claiming that they don't "hate" black people, they just don't want them around.  It's disingenuous, of course.

I have a traditional family. No gay people in it. Do I need to start inviting them over every night for dinner, or risk being called a bigot?


You seriously think you're not related to anyone gay?  LOL
 
2013-11-05 04:14:19 PM  

kerrigand: I forgot, Christians were born Christian and gays were born gay. Doesn't seems like a choice to me. But, yet you want to keep trying to tell me that it is.



Nobody in the history of ever has been born Christian.  Never.  Not even Jesus.  Religion isn't decided by birth.  All religion is optional - sexual orientation isn't.

I figured that someone who goes around accusing others of being stupid idiots would already know this.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-11-05 04:14:50 PM  

kerrigand: So your not born a catholic, but your a "recovering" catholic.

I'm sorry, again, who are you trying to convince? Me or your Christian counterparts?

Your argument doesn't really hold water. I wish you the best and hope that you find your way.


No need to wish spanky. I long ago 'found' my way.
Catholicism just has some irreconcilable things for me. So I remain christian at my core, just not catholic.
Don't give a shiat what a jackass such as you thinks of me, and never will.
But you trying to equate a religious choice is equal to something determined by biology is beyond ignorant and stupid and well into blindingly asinine.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-11-05 04:16:04 PM  

kerrigand: gja: kerrigand: You choose to be an asshole and well they choose to be assholes.

hmmmm.......ok.....

Oh, and your name-calling pretty much indicates your lack of a viable position.
Do you go all ITG next when I call you an idiot?

Oh and calling you an asshole, never did that, but you go ahead and believe that I did. I'll understand your dysfunction.


You have some missing chromosomes, don't you?
 
2013-11-05 04:18:21 PM  

gja: kerrigand: gja: kerrigand: You choose to be an asshole and well they choose to be assholes.

hmmmm.......ok.....

Oh, and your name-calling pretty much indicates your lack of a viable position.
Do you go all ITG next when I call you an idiot?

Oh and calling you an asshole, never did that, but you go ahead and believe that I did. I'll understand your dysfunction.

You have some missing chromosomes, don't you?


I realize your hatred towards me. That I can live with. I'm apparently not the one missing the chromosomes now am I?
 
2013-11-05 04:18:49 PM  

DarkVader: Hebalo: DarkVader: frepnog: menschenfresser: Right; I'm sure it actually increased business with the derp crowd. "Traditional values" my ass. Surely they could put "Family" in the name of their organization/publication like most hate groups do.

Why is it hate?

Ahh, right, just claim that hate isn't.  No one will see through that.

It's the same tactic that some of the white supremacists are taking these days, they're claiming that they don't "hate" black people, they just don't want them around.  It's disingenuous, of course.

I have a traditional family. No gay people in it. Do I need to start inviting them over every night for dinner, or risk being called a bigot?

You seriously think you're not related to anyone gay?  LOL


Why would you assume instantly that someone in my family is gay?
 
2013-11-05 04:21:21 PM  

Kuroshin: kerrigand: I forgot, Christians were born Christian and gays were born gay. Doesn't seems like a choice to me. But, yet you want to keep trying to tell me that it is.


Nobody in the history of ever has been born Christian.  Never.  Not even Jesus.  Religion isn't decided by birth.  All religion is optional - sexual orientation isn't.

I figured that someone who goes around accusing others of being stupid idiots would already know this.


You mean like yourself?
 
2013-11-05 04:21:32 PM  

gja: kerrigand: gja: kerrigand: You choose to be an asshole and well they choose to be assholes.

hmmmm.......ok.....

Oh, and your name-calling pretty much indicates your lack of a viable position.
Do you go all ITG next when I call you an idiot?

Oh and calling you an asshole, never did that, but you go ahead and believe that I did. I'll understand your dysfunction.

You have some missing chromosomes, don't you?



I'm beginning to wonder if he's a Republican politician.  Seems to forget that anything put on the internet exists forever.  Everything said can be pulled up on a whim.
 
2013-11-05 04:22:31 PM  

Kuroshin: Hebalo: Wait, sorry, how is bigoted to say that their advertising will feature traditional families? "Ours is a traditional family". Should he lie and say it's not? I get the general concept, but i fail to see how "we want our ads to be traditional" equals "we hate gays". Because it doesn't say that at all.

Intentionally excluding a minority because they do not represent what you consider to be an 'ideal' - while not explicitly hate - is still bigotry.  Bigotry does not require hate behind it.

I actually don't believe that the CEO hates gay people.  What he has said is that they are not a part of his world vision.  He has put into words that his company has a bias against 'non-traditional families'.  That is bigotry.

Had he instead stated that "We don't have any plans at this time" and left it at that, it would not have declared a bias, and thus would not have been explicitly bigoted.  It leaves the door open to the future, and shows that while they obviously have a direction they are travelling, they are not biased against homosexuals.  Instead, he slammed the door, put his flag in the ground, and declared that  completely normal human beings are out of the question because of their sexuality.

So yeah, it's bigoted.  It's his right.  As is the backlash the right of those offended.


I disagree. If the guy who built the company up wants their ads to reflect a certain ethos, that's not bigoted. It's such a push button issue now that if someone so much as shows indifference to homosexuals, they're strung up in the middle of town. It's total bullshiat.

There are a lot of people actively preaching hate against gays, this guy doesn't even care about them. Does he also need to start having visible minorities in all his ads? cripples? animals? seriously, people get jazzed up about the stupidest things these days.

There are bigger fish to fry out there. Like the fish guys who don't have any gay married sailors in their ads.
 
2013-11-05 04:23:43 PM  

Hebalo: DarkVader: Hebalo: DarkVader: frepnog: menschenfresser: Right; I'm sure it actually increased business with the derp crowd. "Traditional values" my ass. Surely they could put "Family" in the name of their organization/publication like most hate groups do.

Why is it hate?

Ahh, right, just claim that hate isn't.  No one will see through that.

It's the same tactic that some of the white supremacists are taking these days, they're claiming that they don't "hate" black people, they just don't want them around.  It's disingenuous, of course.

I have a traditional family. No gay people in it. Do I need to start inviting them over every night for dinner, or risk being called a bigot?

You seriously think you're not related to anyone gay?  LOL

Why would you assume instantly that someone in my family is gay?


I suppose it's possible that you may indeed be the only family in the species without a gay member. Not awfully likely, though. Unless you mean immediate family, of course.
 
2013-11-05 04:23:47 PM  

kerrigand: Kuroshin: kerrigand: I forgot, Christians were born Christian and gays were born gay. Doesn't seems like a choice to me. But, yet you want to keep trying to tell me that it is.


Nobody in the history of ever has been born Christian.  Never.  Not even Jesus.  Religion isn't decided by birth.  All religion is optional - sexual orientation isn't.

I figured that someone who goes around accusing others of being stupid idiots would already know this.

You mean like yourself?



Huh?

Have I done that here?  Where?  Got a cite/copypasta?

I mean, I get it that you're trolling, but since you're arguing as a proxy for people who have very similar views, I figured I'd discuss things directly with you.
 
2013-11-05 04:24:43 PM  

Kuroshin: gja: kerrigand: gja: kerrigand: You choose to be an asshole and well they choose to be assholes.

hmmmm.......ok.....

Oh, and your name-calling pretty much indicates your lack of a viable position.
Do you go all ITG next when I call you an idiot?

Oh and calling you an asshole, never did that, but you go ahead and believe that I did. I'll understand your dysfunction.

You have some missing chromosomes, don't you?


I'm beginning to wonder if he's a Republican politician.  Seems to forget that anything put on the internet exists forever.  Everything said can be pulled up on a whim.


That's right. Don't forget it. I'm not a republican nor a politician. I'm just someone that your trying to convince and your not having any luck in doing so. You don't like it. So I must be one of the hated few.
 
2013-11-05 04:25:52 PM  

Kuroshin: kerrigand: I forgot, Christians were born Christian and gays were born gay. Doesn't seems like a choice to me. But, yet you want to keep trying to tell me that it is.


Nobody in the history of ever has been born Christian.  Never.  Not even Jesus.  Religion isn't decided by birth.  All religion is optional - sexual orientation isn't.

I figured that someone who goes around accusing others of being stupid idiots would already know this.


Religion may be a choice but children of Christians tend to be Christians... you don't find rednecks of the Graham clan growing up to be muslims.

As for sexual preference... I suspect it is partially nature and partially nurture... probably more genetics with some than others. (Being abused as a child physically or emotionally is also linked to higher rates of homosexuality... hinting that at least for some- the sum of life experiences may affect preference).


Regardless of whether it is by genes or by choice... who the hell cares? Doesn't harm anyone whether someone bonks someone of the same sex because of genes or because of life experiences.

Live and let live!
Screw and let screw!
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-11-05 04:26:12 PM  

kerrigand: gja: kerrigand: gja: kerrigand: You choose to be an asshole and well they choose to be assholes.

hmmmm.......ok.....

Oh, and your name-calling pretty much indicates your lack of a viable position.
Do you go all ITG next when I call you an idiot?

Oh and calling you an asshole, never did that, but you go ahead and believe that I did. I'll understand your dysfunction.

You have some missing chromosomes, don't you?

I realize your hatred towards me. That I can live with. I'm apparently not the one missing the chromosomes now am I?


OK, if you knew even the littlest bit about me you would know I never use the word HATE.
It is the ugliest emotion and a word I reserve for abhorrent things.

You I merely dislike. For your disingenuous fallacies, for your obvious bigotry.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-11-05 04:29:23 PM  

kerrigand: Kuroshin: gja: kerrigand: gja: kerrigand: You choose to be an asshole and well they choose to be assholes.

hmmmm.......ok.....

Oh, and your name-calling pretty much indicates your lack of a viable position.
Do you go all ITG next when I call you an idiot?

Oh and calling you an asshole, never did that, but you go ahead and believe that I did. I'll understand your dysfunction.

You have some missing chromosomes, don't you?


I'm beginning to wonder if he's a Republican politician.  Seems to forget that anything put on the internet exists forever.  Everything said can be pulled up on a whim.

That's right. Don't forget it. I'm not a republican nor a politician. I'm just someone that your trying to convince and your not having any luck in doing so. You don't like it. So I must be one of the hated few.


I couldn't care less about convincing you. But neither will I stand by as you spew inaccuracies and present fallacious equivalencies in a failed attempt to lend credit to your bigoted opinion.
 
2013-11-05 04:32:02 PM  

menschenfresser: Hebalo: DarkVader: Hebalo: DarkVader: frepnog: menschenfresser: Right; I'm sure it actually increased business with the derp crowd. "Traditional values" my ass. Surely they could put "Family" in the name of their organization/publication like most hate groups do.

Why is it hate?

Ahh, right, just claim that hate isn't.  No one will see through that.

It's the same tactic that some of the white supremacists are taking these days, they're claiming that they don't "hate" black people, they just don't want them around.  It's disingenuous, of course.

I have a traditional family. No gay people in it. Do I need to start inviting them over every night for dinner, or risk being called a bigot?

You seriously think you're not related to anyone gay?  LOL

Why would you assume instantly that someone in my family is gay?

I suppose it's possible that you may indeed be the only family in the species without a gay member. Not awfully likely, though. Unless you mean immediate family, of course.


I did indeed mean immediate family. Though I can't think of any extended family members who are gay, I suppose there is a chance one of them is.
 
2013-11-05 04:32:14 PM  

CleanAndPure: Kuroshin: kerrigand: I forgot, Christians were born Christian and gays were born gay. Doesn't seems like a choice to me. But, yet you want to keep trying to tell me that it is.


Nobody in the history of ever has been born Christian.  Never.  Not even Jesus.  Religion isn't decided by birth.  All religion is optional - sexual orientation isn't.

I figured that someone who goes around accusing others of being stupid idiots would already know this.

Religion may be a choice but children of Christians tend to be Christians... you don't find rednecks of the Graham clan growing up to be muslims.

As for sexual preference... I suspect it is partially nature and partially nurture... probably more genetics with some than others. (Being abused as a child physically or emotionally is also linked to higher rates of homosexuality... hinting that at least for some- the sum of life experiences may affect preference).


Regardless of whether it is by genes or by choice... who the hell cares? Doesn't harm anyone whether someone bonks someone of the same sex because of genes or because of life experiences.

Live and let live!
Screw and let screw!


EXACTLY.

Just don't press up on me the same things that your fighting for. Christians have done this forever and you see what it's got them. If this guy want's to do what he thinks is best for his company that's up to him. There's no one that has the "right" to tell him different. When you own your company, you're going to think about these things and you're going to try to do what best and what stays within your principles of the people that work for you and that your serving. Sometimes that doesn't always agree with the public, but that still doesn't not give them the right to attempt to instill themselves onto your company.
 
2013-11-05 04:33:25 PM  

CleanAndPure: Kuroshin: kerrigand: I forgot, Christians were born Christian and gays were born gay. Doesn't seems like a choice to me. But, yet you want to keep trying to tell me that it is.


Nobody in the history of ever has been born Christian.  Never.  Not even Jesus.  Religion isn't decided by birth.  All religion is optional - sexual orientation isn't.

I figured that someone who goes around accusing others of being stupid idiots would already know this.

Religion may be a choice but children of Christians tend to be Christians... you don't find rednecks of the Graham clan growing up to be muslims.

As for sexual preference... I suspect it is partially nature and partially nurture... probably more genetics with some than others. (Being abused as a child physically or emotionally is also linked to higher rates of homosexuality... hinting that at least for some- the sum of life experiences may affect preference).


Regardless of whether it is by genes or by choice... who the hell cares? Doesn't harm anyone whether someone bonks someone of the same sex because of genes or because of life experiences.

Live and let live!
Screw and let screw!


What a healthy viewpoint to have. I'd just like to add that, as far as the "how we turn out this way" part is concerned, I really think that for a lot of people it's what happens in the womb. I'm no doctor or scientist but there's something about the brain being set up female by default so some hormone interaction with the fetal brain tissue has to take place in order to "masculinize" it for the person. If that doesn't happen, then the person is born with boy genitals but female brain - or something like that. Again, I'm nothing close to a scientist, but that sounds very plausible to me at least: "Parts" of one gender, brain of the other one = gay person. The fact that this brain "masculinization" takes place relatively late in pregnancy I think helps explain why so many premature males end up gay.
 
2013-11-05 04:34:37 PM  

gja: kerrigand: gja: kerrigand: gja: kerrigand: You choose to be an asshole and well they choose to be assholes.

hmmmm.......ok.....

Oh, and your name-calling pretty much indicates your lack of a viable position.
Do you go all ITG next when I call you an idiot?

Oh and calling you an asshole, never did that, but you go ahead and believe that I did. I'll understand your dysfunction.

You have some missing chromosomes, don't you?

I realize your hatred towards me. That I can live with. I'm apparently not the one missing the chromosomes now am I?

OK, if you knew even the littlest bit about me you would know I never use the word HATE.
It is the ugliest emotion and a word I reserve for abhorrent things.

You I merely dislike. For your disingenuous fallacies, for your obvious bigotry.


Everything I said was genuine, unlike you...I'm not bigoted.
 
2013-11-05 04:37:02 PM  

Hebalo: I disagree. If the guy who built the company up wants their ads to reflect a certain ethos, that's not bigoted. It's such a push button issue now that if someone so much as shows indifference to homosexuals, they're strung up in the middle of town. It's total bullshiat.

There are a lot of people actively preaching hate against gays, this guy doesn't even care about them. Does he also need to start having visible minorities in all his ads? cripples? animals? seriously, people get jazzed up about the stupidest things these days.

There are bigger fish to fry out there. Like the fish guys who don't have any gay married sailors in their ads.



You know, I see and can respect that opinion, but bigotry is in the details here.  It's not the lack of inclusion, it's the specific exclusion.  If I don't have any gay friends, that doesn't make me a bigot.  If I won't make friends with people because they're gay, that does.

Like I said, if he had simply let the question lie, no serious claim of bigotry could be leveled.  But he came out and said "nope, we don't want any part of that."  He's not preaching hate, by any stretch of the imagination.  What he did do, was to explicitly exclude a minority because they don't fit his world-view.  That is bigoted, whether one wishes to admit it or not.

Is this a big issue in itself?  Hell to the no.  It's pasta.  Flour and eggs.  We aren't dealing with Rosa Parks here.  But it is, as you pointed out, a very hot-button issue as gays are still very much oppressed in our society.  Even small things become bigger by association.  The CEO failed to think his statement through, and the impact it would have given the current climate in one of their larger markets.  He kinda stepped on his dick here, and got his company associated with the oppressing side of the fight.

When it comes down to it though, even if you're sick of hearing about these fights, the fact remains that the fight for equality continues.  I'd suggest that if you're truly tired of hearing about it, you takes steps to avoid media, because it's only going to get louder over the next several years.
 
2013-11-05 04:41:20 PM  

Kuroshin: Hebalo: I disagree. If the guy who built the company up wants their ads to reflect a certain ethos, that's not bigoted. It's such a push button issue now that if someone so much as shows indifference to homosexuals, they're strung up in the middle of town. It's total bullshiat.

There are a lot of people actively preaching hate against gays, this guy doesn't even care about them. Does he also need to start having visible minorities in all his ads? cripples? animals? seriously, people get jazzed up about the stupidest things these days.

There are bigger fish to fry out there. Like the fish guys who don't have any gay married sailors in their ads.


You know, I see and can respect that opinion, but bigotry is in the details here.  It's not the lack of inclusion, it's the specific exclusion.  If I don't have any gay friends, that doesn't make me a bigot.  If I won't make friends with people because they're gay, that does.

Like I said, if he had simply let the question lie, no serious claim of bigotry could be leveled.  But he came out and said "nope, we don't want any part of that."  He's not preaching hate, by any stretch of the imagination.  What he did do, was to explicitly exclude a minority because they don't fit his world-view.  That is bigoted, whether one wishes to admit it or not.

Is this a big issue in itself?  Hell to the no.  It's pasta.  Flour and eggs.  We aren't dealing with Rosa Parks here.  But it is, as you pointed out, a very hot-button issue as gays are still very much oppressed in our society.  Even small things become bigger by association.  The CEO failed to think his statement through, and the impact it would have given the current climate in one of their larger markets.  He kinda stepped on his dick here, and got his company associated with the oppressing side of the fight.

When it comes down to it though, even if you're sick of hearing about these fights, the fact remains that the fight for equality continues.  I'd suggest that if you're t ...


Very well said.

Also, for the folks saying "we don't have to accept you," that doesn't really mean anything. You can choose not to "accept" gravity but it still exists with or without your acceptance. The universe does not need your acceptance of reality and gay people exist with or without your acceptance just the same. Some people may choose not to "accept" people with Polish accents. Mmmkay, well have fun with that. Just don't try to say that gives you license to pass laws excluding rights to them, and you can continue not to "accept" whatever you please. Nobody is trying to force anything on anyone here.
 
2013-11-05 04:41:30 PM  

Kuroshin: Hebalo: I disagree. If the guy who built the company up wants their ads to reflect a certain ethos, that's not bigoted. It's such a push button issue now that if someone so much as shows indifference to homosexuals, they're strung up in the middle of town. It's total bullshiat.

There are a lot of people actively preaching hate against gays, this guy doesn't even care about them. Does he also need to start having visible minorities in all his ads? cripples? animals? seriously, people get jazzed up about the stupidest things these days.

There are bigger fish to fry out there. Like the fish guys who don't have any gay married sailors in their ads.


You know, I see and can respect that opinion, but bigotry is in the details here.  It's not the lack of inclusion, it's the specific exclusion.  If I don't have any gay friends, that doesn't make me a bigot.  If I won't make friends with people because they're gay, that does.

Like I said, if he had simply let the question lie, no serious claim of bigotry could be leveled.  But he came out and said "nope, we don't want any part of that."  He's not preaching hate, by any stretch of the imagination.  What he did do, was to explicitly exclude a minority because they don't fit his world-view.  That is bigoted, whether one wishes to admit it or not.

Is this a big issue in itself?  Hell to the no.  It's pasta.  Flour and eggs.  We aren't dealing with Rosa Parks here.  But it is, as you pointed out, a very hot-button issue as gays are still very much oppressed in our society.  Even small things become bigger by association.  The CEO failed to think his statement through, and the impact it would have given the current climate in one of their larger markets.  He kinda stepped on his dick here, and got his company associated with the oppressing side of the fight.

When it comes down to it though, even if you're sick of hearing about these fights, the fact remains that the fight for equality continues.  I'd suggest that if you're t ...


Well said.

The PC side of me is fully in favor of equal rights and gay marriage because it's right.

The not-so PC side of me wants equals rights and gay marriage so they can shut the fark up about it already.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-11-05 04:42:56 PM  

kerrigand: gja: kerrigand: gja: kerrigand: gja: kerrigand: You choose to be an asshole and well they choose to be assholes.

hmmmm.......ok.....

Oh, and your name-calling pretty much indicates your lack of a viable position.
Do you go all ITG next when I call you an idiot?

Oh and calling you an asshole, never did that, but you go ahead and believe that I did. I'll understand your dysfunction.

You have some missing chromosomes, don't you?

I realize your hatred towards me. That I can live with. I'm apparently not the one missing the chromosomes now am I?

OK, if you knew even the littlest bit about me you would know I never use the word HATE.
It is the ugliest emotion and a word I reserve for abhorrent things.

You I merely dislike. For your disingenuous fallacies, for your obvious bigotry.

Everything I said was genuine, unlike you...I'm not bigoted.


Believe what you wish, what you will.
But do not expect to go about treating others differently because you think something determined by body chemistry is a choice.
That position is untenable. And one who does so is the embodiment of a bigot.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-11-05 04:46:41 PM  

Hebalo: The PC side of me is fully in favor of equal rights and gay marriage because it's right.

The not-so PC side of me wants equals rights and gay marriage so they can shut the fark up about it already.


Here in NY it has already come to pass. And my friend of many years who is a marital attorney is already ringing the register with divorce cases.
Fat times for that bastard (love him like a brother, but he is still a bloodsucking leech).
 
2013-11-05 04:47:42 PM  
Oldiron has 6 farks to give today. After hearing about barilla and some butthurt queens Oldiron still has half a dozen farks. How many farks did Oldiron give?
 
2013-11-05 04:48:12 PM  

Kuroshin: Hebalo: I disagree. If the guy who built the company up wants their ads to reflect a certain ethos, that's not bigoted. It's such a push button issue now that if someone so much as shows indifference to homosexuals, they're strung up in the middle of town. It's total bullshiat.

There are a lot of people actively preaching hate against gays, this guy doesn't even care about them. Does he also need to start having visible minorities in all his ads? cripples? animals? seriously, people get jazzed up about the stupidest things these days.

There are bigger fish to fry out there. Like the fish guys who don't have any gay married sailors in their ads.


You know, I see and can respect that opinion, but bigotry is in the details here.  It's not the lack of inclusion, it's the specific exclusion.  If I don't have any gay friends, that doesn't make me a bigot.  If I won't make friends with people because they're gay, that does.

Like I said, if he had simply let the question lie, no serious claim of bigotry could be leveled.  But he came out and said "nope, we don't want any part of that."  He's not preaching hate, by any stretch of the imagination.  What he did do, was to explicitly exclude a minority because they don't fit his world-view.  That is bigoted, whether one wishes to admit it or not.

Is this a big issue in itself?  Hell to the no.  It's pasta.  Flour and eggs.  We aren't dealing with Rosa Parks here.  But it is, as you pointed out, a very hot-button issue as gays are still very much oppressed in our society.  Even small things become bigger by association.  The CEO failed to think his statement through, and the impact it would have given the current climate in one of their larger markets.  He kinda stepped on his dick here, and got his company associated with the oppressing side of the fight.

When it comes down to it though, even if you're sick of hearing about these fights, the fact remains that the fight for equality continues.  I'd suggest that if you're t ...


So the thread calls them "anti-gay". Do you agree with that, or it is more to correct to say they aren't "pro-gay". The assumption seems to be if one isn't advocating gay rights, they're anti-gay. Doesn't sounds right to me.
 
2013-11-05 04:49:28 PM  

Oldiron_79: Oldiron has 6 farks to give today. After hearing about barilla and some butthurt queens Oldiron still has half a dozen farks. How many farks did Oldiron give?


Some of us really are"butthurt queens" but not in the sense you (probably) meant that!
 
2013-11-05 04:51:41 PM  

gja: kerrigand: gja: kerrigand: gja: kerrigand: gja: kerrigand: You choose to be an asshole and well they choose to be assholes.

hmmmm.......ok.....

Oh, and your name-calling pretty much indicates your lack of a viable position.
Do you go all ITG next when I call you an idiot?

Oh and calling you an asshole, never did that, but you go ahead and believe that I did. I'll understand your dysfunction.

You have some missing chromosomes, don't you?

I realize your hatred towards me. That I can live with. I'm apparently not the one missing the chromosomes now am I?

OK, if you knew even the littlest bit about me you would know I never use the word HATE.
It is the ugliest emotion and a word I reserve for abhorrent things.

You I merely dislike. For your disingenuous fallacies, for your obvious bigotry.

Everything I said was genuine, unlike you...I'm not bigoted.

Believe what you wish, what you will.
But do not expect to go about treating others differently because you think something determined by body chemistry is a choice.
That position is untenable. And one who does so is the embodiment of a bigot.


See that's not what I ever did. You did that. You chose to believe me a bigot and that's your choice although that's not what was ever stated. You wanted to believe that of me and in your mind, that's what you got. You go ahead and go back to your logs of the conversation and see. What I said and what you wanted to hear are two different things. You just wanted to be pissed off at someone and I was the closest person that fit your bill. I plainly stated, that forcing views does not persuade people. It actually dissuades them. If you took it as offensive then that's on you and you alone.
 
2013-11-05 04:52:06 PM  

kerrigand: Kuroshin: I'm beginning to wonder if he's a Republican politician.  Seems to forget that anything put on the internet exists forever.  Everything said can be pulled up on a whim.

That's right. Don't forget it. I'm not a republican nor a politician. I'm just someone that your trying to convince and your not having any luck in doing so. You don't like it. So I must be one of the hated few.




Did you skip over the post? I was correlating you with an (R) because of their propensity to forget that everything they say is being recorded and can be brought up on a whim.  You denied saying something you very clearly said (and were quoted as saying).  So while I have no doubt that you are indeed not a politician, I can suggest that you might actually have a shot in the (R) camp...

As for convincing you of something...  Uh, I'm pretty sure I haven't been trying to.  Like I said, I'm not talking *to* you, I'm talking *at* you.  You are a proxy - a cipher - not an actual part of this conversation.  You have yet to make any attempt at rational discourse, so that's all you can be.


menschenfresser: CleanAndPure: Kuroshin: kerrigand: I forgot, Christians were born Christian and gays were born gay. Doesn't seems like a choice to me. But, yet you want to keep trying to tell me that it is.


Nobody in the history of ever has been born Christian.  Never.  Not even Jesus.  Religion isn't decided by birth.  All religion is optional - sexual orientation isn't.

I figured that someone who goes around accusing others of being stupid idiots would already know this.

Religion may be a choice but children of Christians tend to be Christians... you don't find rednecks of the Graham clan growing up to be muslims.

As for sexual preference... I suspect it is partially nature and partially nurture... probably more genetics with some than others. (Being abused as a child physically or emotionally is also linked to higher rates of homosexuality... hinting that at least for some- the sum of life experiences may affect preference).


Regardless of whether it is by genes or by choice... who the hell cares? Doesn't harm anyone whether someone bonks someone of the same sex because of genes or because of life experiences.

Live and let live!
Screw and let screw!

What a healthy viewpoint to have. I'd just like to add that, as far as the "how we turn out this way" part is concerned, I really think that for a lot of people it's what happens in the womb. I'm no doctor or scientist but there's something about the brain being set up female by default so some hormone interaction with the fetal brain tissue has to take place in order to "masculinize" it for the person. If that doesn't happen, then the person is born with boy genitals but female brain - or something like that. Again, I'm nothing close to a scientist, but that sounds very plausible to me at least: "Parts" of one gender, brain of the other one = gay person. The fact that this brain "masculinization" takes place relatively late in pregnancy I think helps explain why so many premature males end up gay.




Trying to keep from multi-posting, so I'mma just going to condense...  But  menschenfresser, you are correct.  It's been shown to be due to development in the womb, and not genetics per se.

And yes,  CleanAndPure, Christians beget Christians because children are programmable by their parents.  They are born without religion, and then programmed with one by their parents.  Homosexuals are born homosexual, which was my point to the troll above.


kerrigand: EXACTLY.

Just don't press up on me the same things that your fighting for. Christians have done this forever and you see what it's got them. If this guy want's to do what he thinks is best for his company that's up to him. There's no one that has the "right" to tell him different. When you own your company, you're going to think about these things and you're going to try to do what best and what stays within your principles of the people that work for you and that your serving. Sometimes that doesn't always agree with the public, but that still doesn't not give them the right to attempt to instill themselves onto your company.




Nobody has said they have to.  You're building a rather impressive straw man there.  He made bigoted statements.  People got upset, and decided to no longer buy his products.  That's it.  End of story.  Nobody is trying to force his company to use gay adverts, or even change his opinion.  They are merely using their right to free speech to criticize him.  It's their right, just as it is his to do what he wants with his company.  Like I said earlier: It's win-win.

You seem to be pushing this whole "the gays are forcing their beliefs on others!" line, and it's really not working.  Gays don't have "beliefs" as a collective.  There is no collective of gays to have a belief in the first place.  "Gay" is not a club one joins.  It's a state of being, similar to being blonde, black, female, etc.  It's just biology - not an ethos.
 
2013-11-05 04:53:26 PM  

Hebalo: Kuroshin: Hebalo: I disagree. If the guy who built the company up wants their ads to reflect a certain ethos, that's not bigoted. It's such a push button issue now that if someone so much as shows indifference to homosexuals, they're strung up in the middle of town. It's total bullshiat.

There are a lot of people actively preaching hate against gays, this guy doesn't even care about them. Does he also need to start having visible minorities in all his ads? cripples? animals? seriously, people get jazzed up about the stupidest things these days.

There are bigger fish to fry out there. Like the fish guys who don't have any gay married sailors in their ads.


You know, I see and can respect that opinion, but bigotry is in the details here.  It's not the lack of inclusion, it's the specific exclusion.  If I don't have any gay friends, that doesn't make me a bigot.  If I won't make friends with people because they're gay, that does.

Like I said, if he had simply let the question lie, no serious claim of bigotry could be leveled.  But he came out and said "nope, we don't want any part of that."  He's not preaching hate, by any stretch of the imagination.  What he did do, was to explicitly exclude a minority because they don't fit his world-view.  That is bigoted, whether one wishes to admit it or not.

Is this a big issue in itself?  Hell to the no.  It's pasta.  Flour and eggs.  We aren't dealing with Rosa Parks here.  But it is, as you pointed out, a very hot-button issue as gays are still very much oppressed in our society.  Even small things become bigger by association.  The CEO failed to think his statement through, and the impact it would have given the current climate in one of their larger markets.  He kinda stepped on his dick here, and got his company associated with the oppressing side of the fight.

When it comes down to it though, even if you're sick of hearing about these fights, the fact remains that the fight for equality continues.  I'd suggest that i ...

 
The text in bold (above) gets across the point, I think. Nobody thinks you have to be "advocating" for them. Just don't try to do anything to exclude them or to single them out specifically as not deserving rights others have.
 
2013-11-05 04:55:45 PM  
Sweet! Some internet bandwagon outrage fuel. Lets all jump on and get offended!
 
2013-11-05 05:00:15 PM  

Kuroshin: kerrigand: Kuroshin: I'm beginning to wonder if he's a Republican politician.  Seems to forget that anything put on the internet exists forever.  Everything said can be pulled up on a whim.

That's right. Don't forget it. I'm not a republican nor a politician. I'm just someone that your trying to convince and your not having any luck in doing so. You don't like it. So I must be one of the hated few.


Did you skip over the post? I was correlating you with an (R) because of their propensity to forget that everything they say is being recorded and can be brought up on a whim.  You denied saying something you very clearly said (and were quoted as saying).  So while I have no doubt that you are indeed not a politician, I can suggest that you might actually have a shot in the (R) camp...

As for convincing you of something...  Uh, I'm pretty sure I haven't been trying to.  Like I said, I'm not talking *to* you, I'm talking *at* you.  You are a proxy - a cipher - not an actual part of this conversation.  You have yet to make any attempt at rational discourse, so that's all you can be.


menschenfresser: CleanAndPure: Kuroshin: kerrigand: I forgot, Christians were born Christian and gays were born gay. Doesn't seems like a choice to me. But, yet you want to keep trying to tell me that it is.


Nobody in the history of ever has been born Christian.  Never.  Not even Jesus.  Religion isn't decided by birth.  All religion is optional - sexual orientation isn't.

I figured that someone who goes around accusing others of being stupid idiots would already know this.

Religion may be a choice but children of Christians tend to be Christians... you don't find rednecks of the Graham clan growing up to be muslims.

As for sexual preference... I suspect it is partially nature and partially nurture... probably more genetics with some than others. (Being abused as a child physically or emotionally is also linked to higher rates of homosexuality... hinting that at least for some- the su ...


That should've been the end of it, but it wasn't was it? Yes, gays are trying to force themselves onto and into everything and they get offended it when it doesn't jive with what they want it to. That does sound familiar, correct? So at this point in time, what differentiates gays from Christians? Nothing, most people that I know of don't even think about the differences. So, who is trying to convince who? All people get to have their own rights and think what they want to. Just because they don't agree with mine or yours, does that make them bigots, or does it make us?
 
2013-11-05 05:00:17 PM  

menschenfresser: Oldiron_79: Oldiron has 6 farks to give today. After hearing about barilla and some butthurt queens Oldiron still has half a dozen farks. How many farks did Oldiron give?

Some of us really are"butthurt queens" but not in the sense you (probably) meant that!


Boil your pasta thoroughly.
 
2013-11-05 05:01:06 PM  

Hebalo: So the thread calls them "anti-gay". Do you agree with that, or it is more to correct to say they aren't "pro-gay". The assumption seems to be if one isn't advocating gay rights, they're anti-gay. Doesn't sounds right to me.


From an objective standpoint, the CEO's statements were implicitly anti-gay.  Explicitly they were simply exclusionary, but the implication could be inferred that since gays are not 'traditional', they are bad.  I'm not going to go that far, if for no other reason than the dude is Italian, and the way they speak is VERY different from how we do here in the US.  I honestly believe that he himself is not anti-gay.  Bigoted toward gays?  Absolutely.  My grandmother wasn't racist, but she definitely had an attitude toward blacks due to her upbringing.  It wasn't malicious, but it certainly wasn't a good thing.

I guess the term I'd hesitantly reach for would be "Privileged."  You know: "I don't hate them, but I wish they'd mind their own business and not make themselves too visible in my world."  It's not an exact fit, but it's close enough to get the gist, I think.

He's "Privileged" in his bias.
 
2013-11-05 05:03:48 PM  

kerrigand: That should've been the end of it, but it wasn't was it? Yes, gays are trying to force themselves onto and into everything and they get offended it when it doesn't jive with what they want it to. That does sound familiar, correct? So at this point in time, what differentiates gays from Christians? Nothing, most people that I know of don't even think about the differences. So, who is trying to convince who? All people get to have their own rights and think what they want to. Just because they don't agree with mine or yours, does that make them bigots, or does it make us?



Bolded part is complete lunacy.  I'm talking moonbat-levels of crazy.  I'm going to need some serious citations on that before I continue with this conversation.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-11-05 05:05:48 PM  

kerrigand: See that's not what I ever did. You did that. You chose to believe me a bigot and that's your choice although that's not what was ever stated. You wanted to believe that of me and in your mind, that's what you got. You go ahead and go back to your logs of the conversation and see. What I said and what you wanted to hear are two different things. You just wanted to be pissed off at someone and I was the closest person that fit your bill. I plainly stated, that forcing views does not persuade people. It actually dissuades them. If you took it as offensive then that's on you and you alone.

Here's your help since you're too stupid to understand.
1. Christian right, attempts to force their beliefs upon us. What do you do...rebel against it. Nothing wrong with that.
2. Gay right, attempts to force their beliefs up us. What do you do. hmmm.....interesting. the same thing happens, yet we're all bigots.
See an issue with this? No? Well if you don't, then the two of you are the same. No different and if you think you are, you might want to go back to the drawing board with this.


Those are your words. If you cannot see they are worlds apart you are either a liar, a fool, or a bigot.
Gays have not tried to force their beliefs on anyone, they just want to stop being slighted and treated less than others for who they are.
 
2013-11-05 05:06:57 PM  

Kuroshin: kerrigand: That should've been the end of it, but it wasn't was it? Yes, gays are trying to force themselves onto and into everything and they get offended it when it doesn't jive with what they want it to. That does sound familiar, correct? So at this point in time, what differentiates gays from Christians? Nothing, most people that I know of don't even think about the differences. So, who is trying to convince who? All people get to have their own rights and think what they want to. Just because they don't agree with mine or yours, does that make them bigots, or does it make us?


Bolded part is complete lunacy.  I'm talking moonbat-levels of crazy.  I'm going to need some serious citations on that before I continue with this conversation.


Dude's just got to be trolling there.

Because resisting exclusion from rights is totally "forcing yourself on everyone and everything." Mmmmhmmm. Why won't they just accept they can't have the same rights and quit forcing themselves on us?
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-11-05 05:08:02 PM  

kerrigand: Yes, gays are trying to force themselves onto and into everything and they get offended it when it doesn't jive with what they want it to. That does sound familiar, correct? So at this point in time, what differentiates gays from Christians? Nothing


OMG, you actually do believe your own tripe!
You are a completely mad-as-a-hatter bigot, even if you cannot see it in yourself.
 
2013-11-05 05:11:24 PM  

gja: kerrigand: Yes, gays are trying to force themselves onto and into everything and they get offended it when it doesn't jive with what they want it to. That does sound familiar, correct? So at this point in time, what differentiates gays from Christians? Nothing

OMG, you actually do believe your own tripe!
You are a completely mad-as-a-hatter bigot, even if you cannot see it in yourself.


He's got to be trolling. It's everything but the "Homosexuality is a learned behaviour" troll language. If he's serious then heaven help him cos he's beyond human help.
 
2013-11-05 05:11:35 PM  

menschenfresser: Kuroshin: kerrigand: That should've been the end of it, but it wasn't was it? Yes, gays are trying to force themselves onto and into everything and they get offended it when it doesn't jive with what they want it to. That does sound familiar, correct? So at this point in time, what differentiates gays from Christians? Nothing, most people that I know of don't even think about the differences. So, who is trying to convince who? All people get to have their own rights and think what they want to. Just because they don't agree with mine or yours, does that make them bigots, or does it make us?


Bolded part is complete lunacy.  I'm talking moonbat-levels of crazy.  I'm going to need some serious citations on that before I continue with this conversation.

Dude's just got to be trolling there.

Because resisting exclusion from rights is totally "forcing yourself on everyone and everything." Mmmmhmmm. Why won't they just accept they can't have the same rights and quit forcing themselves on us?



I'm certain he's been trolling the entire time, but Poe's Law being what it is, and the fact that there *are* people out there who legitimately believe the kind of stuff he's been spewing, means I want to actually face him directly.  I'm running out of steam though, since I've still got work on my desk I've been neglecting.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-11-05 05:12:06 PM  

Kuroshin: kerrigand: That should've been the end of it, but it wasn't was it? Yes, gays are trying to force themselves onto and into everything and they get offended it when it doesn't jive with what they want it to. That does sound familiar, correct? So at this point in time, what differentiates gays from Christians? Nothing, most people that I know of don't even think about the differences. So, who is trying to convince who? All people get to have their own rights and think what they want to. Just because they don't agree with mine or yours, does that make them bigots, or does it make us?


Bolded part is complete lunacy.  I'm talking moonbat-levels of crazy.  I'm going to need some serious citations on that before I continue with this conversation.


Don't hold your breath.....
gvshp.org
 
2013-11-05 05:13:41 PM  
Hebalo:

So the thread calls them "anti-gay". Do you agree with that, or it is more to correct to say they aren't "pro-gay". The assumption seems to be if one isn't advocating gay rights, they're anti-gay. Doesn't sounds right to me.

When oppression is the reality, any voice that chooses to merely accept the status-quo is a voice that chooses oppression. We're all part of the fight for equal human rights, regardless of if we want to be or not. Accepting oppression is endorsement.
 
2013-11-05 05:14:05 PM  

Kuroshin: kerrigand: That should've been the end of it, but it wasn't was it? Yes, gays are trying to force themselves onto and into everything and they get offended it when it doesn't jive with what they want it to. That does sound familiar, correct? So at this point in time, what differentiates gays from Christians? Nothing, most people that I know of don't even think about the differences. So, who is trying to convince who? All people get to have their own rights and think what they want to. Just because they don't agree with mine or yours, does that make them bigots, or does it make us?


Bolded part is complete lunacy.  I'm talking moonbat-levels of crazy.  I'm going to need some serious citations on that before I continue with this conversation.


I'm sorry that that is the only thing you can derive from that statement. You really are a bigot of bigots. I commend you.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-11-05 05:14:23 PM  

Kuroshin: menschenfresser: Kuroshin: kerrigand: That should've been the end of it, but it wasn't was it? Yes, gays are trying to force themselves onto and into everything and they get offended it when it doesn't jive with what they want it to. That does sound familiar, correct? So at this point in time, what differentiates gays from Christians? Nothing, most people that I know of don't even think about the differences. So, who is trying to convince who? All people get to have their own rights and think what they want to. Just because they don't agree with mine or yours, does that make them bigots, or does it make us?


Bolded part is complete lunacy.  I'm talking moonbat-levels of crazy.  I'm going to need some serious citations on that before I continue with this conversation.

Dude's just got to be trolling there.

Because resisting exclusion from rights is totally "forcing yourself on everyone and everything." Mmmmhmmm. Why won't they just accept they can't have the same rights and quit forcing themselves on us?


I'm certain he's been trolling the entire time, but Poe's Law being what it is, and the fact that there *are* people out there who legitimately believe the kind of stuff he's been spewing, means I want to actually face him directly.  I'm running out of steam though, since I've still got work on my desk I've been neglecting.


C'mon man! I did 5 servers, a DAG, 2 RPC arrays an F5 config and 20 or so shares while doing this.
Boogie with a suitcase, bro.
 
2013-11-05 05:17:14 PM  

gja: Kuroshin: I'm certain he's been trolling the entire time, but Poe's Law being what it is, and the fact that there *are* people out there who legitimately believe the kind of stuff he's been spewing, means I want to actually face him directly.  I'm running out of steam though, since I've still got work on my desk I've been neglecting.

C'mon man! I did 5 servers, a DAG, 2 RPC arrays an F5 config and 20 or so shares while doing this.
Boogie with a suitcase, bro.


It's End of Month and I've got loads of numbers to crunch.  Just not feeling it this month.  Frankly, trying to articulate all of this has been great mental exercise.

And I saw his response.  Definitely trolling.
 
2013-11-05 05:18:46 PM  

kerrigand: Kuroshin: kerrigand: That should've been the end of it, but it wasn't was it? Yes, gays are trying to force themselves onto and into everything and they get offended it when it doesn't jive with what they want it to. That does sound familiar, correct? So at this point in time, what differentiates gays from Christians? Nothing, most people that I know of don't even think about the differences. So, who is trying to convince who? All people get to have their own rights and think what they want to. Just because they don't agree with mine or yours, does that make them bigots, or does it make us?


Bolded part is complete lunacy.  I'm talking moonbat-levels of crazy.  I'm going to need some serious citations on that before I continue with this conversation.

I'm sorry that that is the only thing you can derive from that statement. You really are a bigot of bigots. I commend you.


Calling out injustice on the part of the people committing the injustice is "bigotry"! I love it when these folks turn it around and say they're  the victims of bigotry because other people are trying to take away their right to discriminate. Hilarious! Pity the poor slavemaster being discriminated against when the Yankees took his human property away. His rights were violated!
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-11-05 05:21:07 PM  

Kuroshin: gja: Kuroshin: I'm certain he's been trolling the entire time, but Poe's Law being what it is, and the fact that there *are* people out there who legitimately believe the kind of stuff he's been spewing, means I want to actually face him directly.  I'm running out of steam though, since I've still got work on my desk I've been neglecting.

C'mon man! I did 5 servers, a DAG, 2 RPC arrays an F5 config and 20 or so shares while doing this.
Boogie with a suitcase, bro.

It's End of Month and I've got loads of numbers to crunch.  Just not feeling it this month.  Frankly, trying to articulate all of this has been great mental exercise.

And I saw his response.  Definitely trolling.


Dude, sorry about the closing. That sucks. I hate finance for that very reason. All my friends that do the numbers game all have the same cyclical unavailability in their lives. I feel ya....

This guy is headed home. Methinks I hear a Bubbaburger calling my name. I must answer.
 
2013-11-05 05:21:20 PM  

Kope: Hebalo:

So the thread calls them "anti-gay". Do you agree with that, or it is more to correct to say they aren't "pro-gay". The assumption seems to be if one isn't advocating gay rights, they're anti-gay. Doesn't sounds right to me.

When oppression is the reality, any voice that chooses to merely accept the status-quo is a voice that chooses oppression. We're all part of the fight for equal human rights, regardless of if we want to be or not. Accepting oppression is endorsement.


I don't agree. There's a middle ground for those who have no interest. I can be neither anti-gay nor pro-gay. It's unrealistic to be drawn in to every fight for every group and every social issue. I'll accept that the CEO here wasn't being welcoming or willing to change his world view to appease the gay rights movement, but I don't see that as being anti-gay.

Was every person who didn't march for the civil rights movement in the 60's anti-equal rights? Certainly not.
 
2013-11-05 05:21:52 PM  
data2.whicdn.com
 
2013-11-05 05:22:45 PM  

Kuroshin: gja: Kuroshin: I'm certain he's been trolling the entire time, but Poe's Law being what it is, and the fact that there *are* people out there who legitimately believe the kind of stuff he's been spewing, means I want to actually face him directly.  I'm running out of steam though, since I've still got work on my desk I've been neglecting.

C'mon man! I did 5 servers, a DAG, 2 RPC arrays an F5 config and 20 or so shares while doing this.
Boogie with a suitcase, bro.

It's End of Month and I've got loads of numbers to crunch.  Just not feeling it this month.  Frankly, trying to articulate all of this has been great mental exercise.

And I saw his response.  Definitely trolling.


poor kiddies, it's too bad you can't see the truth. I know, you want to see the bad in all people. I hope that the 3 of you learn later on in life. Maybe you'll look back and see reality different. I doubt it.
 
2013-11-05 05:25:17 PM  

kerrigand: Kuroshin: gja: Kuroshin: I'm certain he's been trolling the entire time, but Poe's Law being what it is, and the fact that there *are* people out there who legitimately believe the kind of stuff he's been spewing, means I want to actually face him directly.  I'm running out of steam though, since I've still got work on my desk I've been neglecting.

C'mon man! I did 5 servers, a DAG, 2 RPC arrays an F5 config and 20 or so shares while doing this.
Boogie with a suitcase, bro.

It's End of Month and I've got loads of numbers to crunch.  Just not feeling it this month.  Frankly, trying to articulate all of this has been great mental exercise.

And I saw his response.  Definitely trolling.

poor kiddies, it's too bad you can't see the truth. I know, you want to see the bad in all people. I hope that the 3 of you learn later on in life. Maybe you'll look back and see reality different. I doubt it.


You did a good trolling job, IMO; well done. Much more original than "letrole" usually does. You got several bites, too. Thank you for the entertainment; it was kinda fun.
 
2013-11-05 05:26:07 PM  
Just get Judy Garland to sell your pasta. Problem solved.
 
2013-11-05 05:26:56 PM  

frepnog: OMGWHOTHEHELLCARES.jpg

seriously.  who gives a shiat who an Italian pasta maker directs its ads to?  Is that 1-5 percent of the world's population seriously worth catering to?

Barilla's profits soared to $81 million in 2012.

I think they'll be fine.

I have no problem with gay people....  but seriously.  We don't all have to bend over backwards for you.



Sure, it's great to be you. I bet you're in some sort of demographic sweet-spot where you don't have people judging your very existence. Meanwhile those of us who are gay or whatever get really tired of being told we're evil, servants of various demonic entities, child molesters, etc etc etc.

It's particularly bad when you're a kid because up until very recently you'd never hear a positive thing about yourself, you had nobody to go to and you ran a 50/50 chance of being disowned by friends and family just for being you.

Nobody is asking you to farking bend over, we're asking to enjoy the same sort of blameless comfort zone that allows you to reduce the rest of us to a percentile. We just want to be completely unremarkable like your clueless self.

/you're so dumb you made me log on after a year's absence
/fark you!
 
2013-11-05 05:33:16 PM  

Hebalo: Kope: Hebalo:

So the thread calls them "anti-gay". Do you agree with that, or it is more to correct to say they aren't "pro-gay". The assumption seems to be if one isn't advocating gay rights, they're anti-gay. Doesn't sounds right to me.

When oppression is the reality, any voice that chooses to merely accept the status-quo is a voice that chooses oppression. We're all part of the fight for equal human rights, regardless of if we want to be or not. Accepting oppression is endorsement.

I don't agree. There's a middle ground for those who have no interest. I can be neither anti-gay nor pro-gay. It's unrealistic to be drawn in to every fight for every group and every social issue. I'll accept that the CEO here wasn't being welcoming or willing to change his world view to appease the gay rights movement, but I don't see that as being anti-gay.

Was every person who didn't march for the civil rights movement in the 60's anti-equal rights? Certainly not.



Valid point.  Unconcerned parties really are a blank.  They have no motivations either way.  However, I wouldn't say that the CEO falls into that group (nor would I lump him in with homophobes, either).  These things are no more trinary than they are binary.  There's nuance to everything.  For the CEO, I'm actually willing to give him a lot of leeway, as I'm familiar with how Italians talk.  I do imagine his statements were innocently given, without thought to bigotry.  That does not change the words or their meaning though.  I think (my own opinion here) that he is utterly blind to the issue of gay rights, and was caught off-guard by the suggestion.  He's a wealthy Italian, and probably at least a "good" Catholic, so these things aren't what he worries about in life.  Gay families aren't part of his world - they are off on their own.  He wants to advertise his own lifestyle to the world as the ideal, and sell his product to those also living that lifestyle.  Like I said before, "privilege."  He's above the controversy...until he opens his mouth and sticks his foot right in there.

White privilege doesn't mean white people are anti-black, and straight privilege doesn't mean straights are anti-gay.  They're just "above" it all.
 
2013-11-05 05:40:00 PM  

Hebalo: Kope: Hebalo:

So the thread calls them "anti-gay". Do you agree with that, or it is more to correct to say they aren't "pro-gay". The assumption seems to be if one isn't advocating gay rights, they're anti-gay. Doesn't sounds right to me.

When oppression is the reality, any voice that chooses to merely accept the status-quo is a voice that chooses oppression. We're all part of the fight for equal human rights, regardless of if we want to be or not. Accepting oppression is endorsement.

I don't agree. There's a middle ground for those who have no interest. I can be neither anti-gay nor pro-gay. It's unrealistic to be drawn in to every fight for every group and every social issue. I'll accept that the CEO here wasn't being welcoming or willing to change his world view to appease the gay rights movement, but I don't see that as being anti-gay.

Was every person who didn't march for the civil rights movement in the 60's anti-equal rights? Certainly not.


So you're not putting on the white sheet or lighting up the cross, but you just quietly wish those uppity coloreds would quit making so much fuss about wanting to eat at the same lunch counter?
 
2013-11-05 05:41:24 PM  

menschenfresser: It's hate because they're actively campaigning to deprive people of rights


Uh...what rights are being deprived of gays by Barilla?  seriously?   Gays can still buy Barilla pasta.   Hell, even if Barilla refused to sell their pasta to gays then the only right being violated is 'the right to buy Barilla pasta'.  That's hardly something that would be addressed by a Human Rights commission.

While I don't agree with Barillas position, this is just an issue of branding.  They see 'traditional' families as their demographic and spend their advertising dollars accordingly.   If gay people, and supporters thereof, disagree with Barillas policy then simply demonstrate it by buying their competitors products.

Had the CEO not made that dumb ass statement no-one would be any wiser about Barilla's policy and would happily gone on buying their product.   One statement from a dumb fark hardly demonstrates a deprivation of rights therefore.

There are *real* issues for gay people, muslim people, black people et al. to deal with.   To equate *this* with them is just farking ridiculous and dilutes any sympathy people might have for those affected.
 
2013-11-05 05:45:44 PM  

VladTheEmailer: menschenfresser: It's hate because they're actively campaigning to deprive people of rights

Uh...what rights are being deprived of gays by Barilla?  seriously?   Gays can still buy Barilla pasta.   Hell, even if Barilla refused to sell their pasta to gays then the only right being violated is 'the right to buy Barilla pasta'.  That's hardly something that would be addressed by a Human Rights commission.

While I don't agree with Barillas position, this is just an issue of branding.  They see 'traditional' families as their demographic and spend their advertising dollars accordingly.   If gay people, and supporters thereof, disagree with Barillas policy then simply demonstrate it by buying their competitors products.

Had the CEO not made that dumb ass statement no-one would be any wiser about Barilla's policy and would happily gone on buying their product.   One statement from a dumb fark hardly demonstrates a deprivation of rights therefore.

There are *real* issues for gay people, muslim people, black people et al. to deal with.   To equate *this* with them is just farking ridiculous and dilutes any sympathy people might have for those affected.


When I wrote that, we'd moved on from discussing Barilla specifically and onto rights in general - at least in my mind we had. I agree that this argument doesn't apply in the specific Barilla case, or even in the infamous Chik-Fil-A case. It was meant to reference the broader issue of rights for groups in general.
 
2013-11-05 05:48:20 PM  

DarkVader: So you're not putting on the white sheet or lighting up the cross, but you just quietly wish those uppity coloreds would quit making so much fuss about wanting to eat at the same lunch counter?


I honestly believe that there is a large segment of the population that just don't give a shiat either way, and that they are a larger totality than either of the two sides fighting.  That's why the voter turnouts barely crack 50% when it comes to social justice issues.  They just want to live their lives and be left alone.

And while I find it sad, I can't blame them.
 
2013-11-05 05:48:34 PM  

VladTheEmailer: menschenfresser: It's hate because they're actively campaigning to deprive people of rights

Uh...what rights are being deprived of gays by Barilla?  seriously?   Gays can still buy Barilla pasta.   Hell, even if Barilla refused to sell their pasta to gays then the only right being violated is 'the right to buy Barilla pasta'.  That's hardly something that would be addressed by a Human Rights commission.

While I don't agree with Barillas position, this is just an issue of branding.  They see 'traditional' families as their demographic and spend their advertising dollars accordingly.   If gay people, and supporters thereof, disagree with Barillas policy then simply demonstrate it by buying their competitors products.

Had the CEO not made that dumb ass statement no-one would be any wiser about Barilla's policy and would happily gone on buying their product.   One statement from a dumb fark hardly demonstrates a deprivation of rights therefore.

There are *real* issues for gay people, muslim people, black people et al. to deal with.   To equate *this* with them is just farking ridiculous and dilutes any sympathy people might have for those affected.


On second thought, maybe it does apply in the Chik-Fil-A case. I had gay marriage rights in general, and the opponents of it specifically, in mind when I wrote that and I believe that's the issue in question with Chik-Fil-A.
 
2013-11-05 05:54:07 PM  
So how do I get straight pasta now?  I assume that Chik Fil-A serves only straight chicken, whereas other establishments may serve chickens of dubious moral standards.  But where's my straight pasta?  Barilla used to be my choice, but now they're caving to pressure.  DEFEND TRADITIONAL PASTA!!!
 
2013-11-05 06:05:08 PM  
Hebalo:

Was every person who didn't march for the civil rights movement in the 60's anti-equal rights? Certainly not.

Every person who did not raise their voice in protest complicity endorsed the status quo, so yes, they were anti-equal rights.

Human rights are never simply there, they are fought for every day. And those who stand idle and accepting in the face of oppression are just as morally guilty as the oppressors themselves.
 
2013-11-05 06:05:24 PM  
CEOs should be seen and not heard. And preferably not seen either.
 
2013-11-05 06:14:30 PM  

frepnog: pgh9fan: What he said was completely ignorant.

why is it ignorant to say you support traditional families and won't use gay couples in advertising?

"The pasta maker fought boycott calls after chief executive Guido Barilla gave an interview in September in which he said that "the concept of a canonical family remains one of the fundamental values of the business."
Asked if he would include a gay couple in one of his television commercials, he said: "We would not do it because ours is a traditional family".
"If (gay people) like our pasta, they can eat it. If they do not like it, if they do not like what we say, they can eat a different one," he added"

That is not ignorance.  That is refusing to cater to a minor demographic.


Well, sure - but their marketing choice isn't between heteros and homos - it's between homophobes and homos. Gays are a wealthy, educated, desirable demo, and they can cater to them without offending their hetero customers, except for the homophobes - who are a small, uneducated, poor demographic they don't want anyway.
In fact, nobody wants them, which is why companies with good marketing departments direct their public spokespeople to stay away from homophobic talk.
You don't stay in business by pissing off Liberace to please Cletus.
 
2013-11-05 06:15:19 PM  

urbangirl: apoptotic: silvervial: apoptotic: The two Barilla ads I've been seeing a lot of lately (they're spamming Hulu) both feature women shopping alone and being spirited out of the frozen foods aisle and taken home by some Italian guy in a convertible, where a chef proceeds to teach them how to heat up Barilla frozen dinners.

They're f*cking creepy.

I think those ads are for Bertoli, but I could be wrong.

As for Barilla, I wrote and told them that they had not only offended gay people, but all the straight people, like myself, a woman who makes the shopping decisions in my traditional family, who support gay people were also offended.

Tiny demographic, my ass!

Ah yes, you're right. That I automatically associated creepy with Barilla probably doesn't bode well though.

*makes mental note that Barilla is homophobic, Bertolli is creepy*

One B-something-something-double L-vowel pasta is pretty much the same as the next.


No they are not the same!  I have tried all different brands of pasta and Barilla tastes the best.  Don't give a fark what the CEO said I am going to buy/eat what I want.  For the record we eat a lot of pasta with just garlic, cheese and oil on it so the actual taste of the noodle is important

The CEO is probably some old fashioned, old world man who clings to the notion that because he has a penis he is always right.

what you thought about something that was said by another person does not matter when it comes time to be judged at the pearly gates...it is how YOU the gay people that are in your life.
 
2013-11-05 06:15:53 PM  

Kuroshin: DarkVader: So you're not putting on the white sheet or lighting up the cross, but you just quietly wish those uppity coloreds would quit making so much fuss about wanting to eat at the same lunch counter?

I honestly believe that there is a large segment of the population that just don't give a shiat either way, and that they are a larger totality than either of the two sides fighting.  That's why the voter turnouts barely crack 50% when it comes to social justice issues.  They just want to live their lives and be left alone.

And while I find it sad, I can't blame them.


I really have a hard time not blaming them.

I'm not gay, I'm not married, and I have no intention of getting married to anyone of either gender.  This issue doesn't directly affect me at all.  But it IS a tremendously important issue for those being deprived of their rights.  And I have a hard time understanding how someone would be able to sit back and say it doesn't matter.
 
2013-11-05 06:17:15 PM  
GAH!  it should be how YOU treat.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-11-05 06:22:12 PM  

DarkVader: Kuroshin: DarkVader: So you're not putting on the white sheet or lighting up the cross, but you just quietly wish those uppity coloreds would quit making so much fuss about wanting to eat at the same lunch counter?

I honestly believe that there is a large segment of the population that just don't give a shiat either way, and that they are a larger totality than either of the two sides fighting.  That's why the voter turnouts barely crack 50% when it comes to social justice issues.  They just want to live their lives and be left alone.

And while I find it sad, I can't blame them.

I really have a hard time not blaming them.

I'm not gay, I'm not married, and I have no intention of getting married to anyone of either gender.  This issue doesn't directly affect me at all.  But it IS a tremendously important issue for those being deprived of their rights.  And I have a hard time understanding how someone would be able to sit back and say it doesn't matter.


"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."
Edmund Burke
 
2013-11-05 06:36:57 PM  

menschenfresser: Oldiron_79: Oldiron has 6 farks to give today. After hearing about barilla and some butthurt queens Oldiron still has half a dozen farks. How many farks did Oldiron give?

Some of us really are"butthurt queens" but not in the sense you (probably) meant that!


Well that was an intentional double entendre(sp?)
 
2013-11-05 06:57:53 PM  

DarkVader: Kuroshin: DarkVader: So you're not putting on the white sheet or lighting up the cross, but you just quietly wish those uppity coloreds would quit making so much fuss about wanting to eat at the same lunch counter?

I honestly believe that there is a large segment of the population that just don't give a shiat either way, and that they are a larger totality than either of the two sides fighting.  That's why the voter turnouts barely crack 50% when it comes to social justice issues.  They just want to live their lives and be left alone.

And while I find it sad, I can't blame them.

I really have a hard time not blaming them.

I'm not gay, I'm not married, and I have no intention of getting married to anyone of either gender.  This issue doesn't directly affect me at all.  But it IS a tremendously important issue for those being deprived of their rights.  And I have a hard time understanding how someone would be able to sit back and say it doesn't matter.


Fair enough.  For me, I try to fight the "good fight" and rationally discuss the issues with those who are otherwise unconcerned or even mildly opposed.  But listen, I've been where some of those people are now.  Know how much I cared about equal rights when I was homeless?  About as much as I cared about Liz Taylor. (I'm straight, so that was "zero")  I had my own problems.  When I was very young, I was decidedly anti-gay, due to my rural upbringing.  When I got a little older, I became simply unconcerned.  When I lost everything, I couldn't have given half a shiat.  Once I got my life back on-track, I was back to being simply unconcerned.  Then my circle of friends expanded...  I became close with people who are living the oppression, and I was suddenly very passionate about the subject.  But I have been where that silent majority is, and I can understand why they are silent.  I don't paint them with that broad brush, and instead try to deal with them individually, directly, to get them concerned about the issue.

I don't start casting aspersions until someone steps over the line.  There are many people out there who might join in the fight, if only to cast a single vote, but they absolutely will *never* do so if some 'freedom fighter' casts them in with the bigots.  Telling someone that is just trying to live their life and pay their bills, that they are as guilty of oppression as those who actively oppress others is a surefire way to turn them against you.  They aren't villains, they're just people.
 
2013-11-05 07:29:03 PM  
I'm not gay. I don't even pretend to understand it. That being said, I am totally for it. Totally, 100% pro-gay. That, and pro-abortion, pro-euthanasia, pro-murder, pro-suicide, pro-cancer, pro-war, and pro-giant-apocofragginlyptic-meteors, as anything that thins out the herd of complete, utter, hateful douchebags, assholes, dipshiats, idiots, and morons who argue about things like this has to be an awesome thing for the stinking cesspool that humanity has become. I'd kill myself, but I am having a hell of a good time watching the world tear itself apart. Carry on. I'm having a blast!
 
2013-11-05 07:40:59 PM  
Just joshin'. Keep on being gay. Flowers and rainbows and stuff. Tee hee.
 
2013-11-05 07:43:36 PM  
And noodles. And Joel Osteen.
 
2013-11-05 07:44:51 PM  
Free Tibet.
 
2013-11-05 08:36:59 PM  

VladTheEmailer: To equate *this* with them is just farking ridiculous and dilutes any sympathy people might have for those affected.


The types of people who would allow their sympathy for others to be "diluted" are the same types of people who are looking for reasons to not have to give a shiat about others in the first place.
 
2013-11-05 08:44:36 PM  
This is about as gay as deciding whether or not to eat a chicken sandwich based on whether or not someone decided to boycott a chicken sandwich.

/rooster sandwich
 
2013-11-05 08:56:42 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: VladTheEmailer: To equate *this* with them is just farking ridiculous and dilutes any sympathy people might have for those affected.

The types of people who would allow their sympathy for others to be "diluted" are the same types of people who are looking for reasons to not have to give a shiat about others in the first place.


Not everyone has a strong opinion about this. Should they? Of course. But some don't. And they shouldn't be treated like the enemy. They aren't the enemy and could be swayed to the 'right' side, but not if trivialities are constantly being bickered over instead of the real issues.
 
2013-11-05 09:03:36 PM  
I see no point in buying a product from an anti-gay company when there are better alternatives. Whatever "minor demographic" they consider gays to be, people that hate companies that hate gays is a much larger one.
 
2013-11-05 09:04:10 PM  

VladTheEmailer: The My Little Pony Killer: VladTheEmailer: To equate *this* with them is just farking ridiculous and dilutes any sympathy people might have for those affected.

The types of people who would allow their sympathy for others to be "diluted" are the same types of people who are looking for reasons to not have to give a shiat about others in the first place.

Not everyone has a strong opinion about this. Should they? Of course. But some don't. And they shouldn't be treated like the enemy. They aren't the enemy and could be swayed to the 'right' side, but not if trivialities are constantly being bickered over instead of the real issues.


Of course they should. They should be shown exactly how evil they are being when they ignore even the slightest hint at a human rights transgression.

Keeping your mouth shut is complacency. If you do not want to be lumped in with the bad guys, you'd better damn well open your mouths against them when they pipe up.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-11-05 09:13:50 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Keeping your mouth shut is complacency. If you do not want to be lumped in with the bad guys, you'd better damn well open your mouths against them when they pipe up.


gja: "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."
Edmund Burke


Same thing said differently. But the point is there, and it is clear as crystal.
 
2013-11-05 10:08:39 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Sun Tzu: There's no such thing as a happy homosexual, but their followers and supporters act just like Jesus Freaks when you point that out.

/is that natural
//or conditioned?
B.F.Skinner/]

Think about it before a minute: would you be happy if fast food ford chicken companies and pasta companies didn't cater specifically to you? Didn't think so


Do they cater specifically to me? How do I tell? I mean, I have never really said hey those white people are just like me. Ima buy that shiat right NOW.....
 
2013-11-05 10:11:15 PM  

apoptotic: silvervial: apoptotic: The two Barilla ads I've been seeing a lot of lately (they're spamming Hulu) both feature women shopping alone and being spirited out of the frozen foods aisle and taken home by some Italian guy in a convertible, where a chef proceeds to teach them how to heat up Barilla frozen dinners.

They're f*cking creepy.

I think those ads are for Bertoli, but I could be wrong.

As for Barilla, I wrote and told them that they had not only offended gay people, but all the straight people, like myself, a woman who makes the shopping decisions in my traditional family, who support gay people were also offended.

Tiny demographic, my ass!

Ah yes, you're right. That I automatically associated creepy with Barilla probably doesn't bode well though.

*makes mental note that Barilla is homophobic, Bertolli is creepy*


Just try Dreamfields. No homophobia, no creepers, and less digestible carbs than regular pasta.
 
2013-11-05 10:20:42 PM  

frepnog: Kuroshin: frepnog: kerrigand: Let us know how that thought works out about 5 or 10 years down the line when you own your own company.
Just remember how well the "Christian right" has done so well with attempting to shove their beliefs upon us.

this is one problem that I DO have with certain blackpeople.

ACCEPT US OR ELSE is never a good plan.

Just wanted to see how it looks when we flip the script.

Wow.  Sounds just as terrible.

this is not about gay rights.  don't act like it is.  this is a pasta company that doesn't want to cater to gay people.  the company stated that if they don't like it they can buy someone else's pasta.  that is the free market at work.

Kuroshin: You are correct though - he is just voicing his company's opinion. It's not necessarily ignorant, just bigoted.

I suppose that is the case.  People have a right to be bigots, I suppose.


It is guido's right to be a bigot. If his company chooses to follow his lead and alienates a demographic because of it, so what? Same for chik-fil-a. Same for any business. I dont see why there is such a ruckus. I no longer buy Barilla or chick fil a, but I still shop at target because-despite the founder/owner's ignorant beliefs, the stores' policies haven't been affected (that I am able to determine). I am all for people outing themselves as assholes....
 
2013-11-05 10:27:19 PM  

Hebalo: Kuroshin: frepnog: pgh9fan: What he said was completely ignorant.

why is it ignorant to say you support traditional families and won't use gay couples in advertising?

"The pasta maker fought boycott calls after chief executive Guido Barilla gave an interview in September in which he said that "the concept of a canonical family remains one of the fundamental values of the business."
Asked if he would include a gay couple in one of his television commercials, he said: "We would not do it because ours is a traditional family".
"If (gay people) like our pasta, they can eat it. If they do not like it, if they do not like what we say, they can eat a different one," he added"

That is not ignorance.  That is refusing to cater to a minor demographicbigotry.

FTFY

You are correct though - he is just voicing his company's opinion.  It's not necessarily ignorant, just bigoted.  It's perfectly fine for him to do so, just as it's perfectly fine for those who disagree with his bigotry to avoid his company's products.

See?  Everybody wins!

Wait, sorry, how is bigoted to say that their advertising will feature traditional families? "Ours is a traditional family". Should he lie and say it's not? I get the general concept, but i fail to see how "we want our ads to be traditional" equals "we hate gays". Because it doesn't say that at all.


IMHO, the statement didn't start out offensive. I believe that when he used the phrase "canonical family" it implied that only that group is 'blessed by god' or whatever in people's minds, which leads to the inevitable gays-are-hell-bound-sinners response from the group. If he had left it at traditional family perhaps the reaction would have been less severe?
 
2013-11-05 11:05:01 PM  

frepnog: OMGWHOTHEHELLCARES.jpg

seriously.  who gives a shiat who an Italian pasta maker directs its ads to?  Is that 1-5 percent of the world's population seriously worth catering to?



And yet, here you are, posting in this thread, DESPERATE to have us believe that you don't care.


frepnogBarilla's profits soared to $81 million in 2012.

I think they'll be fine.

I have no problem with gay people....  but seriously.  We don't all have to bend over backwards for you.


It's kinda funny how badly you want us to believe you don't dislike gay people when you obviously do, and you don't care, when, again, you obviously do.  Why are you so intimidated and threatened by this?

/such a scared and angry person.
 
2013-11-05 11:07:08 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: frepnog: OMGWHOTHEHELLCARES.jpg

seriously.  who gives a shiat who an Italian pasta maker directs its ads to?  Is that 1-5 percent of the world's population seriously worth catering to?

Barilla's profits soared to $81 million in 2012.

I think they'll be fine.

I have no problem with gay people....  but seriously.  We don't all have to bend over backwards for you.

3/10.  That should get a few bites.


Maybe, but I doubt he's a troll.  He's been doing this a LONG time in many different threads without ever once dropping the act, if it's an act.  I think he's the real deal.
 
2013-11-05 11:12:06 PM  

Slam1263: What are the other qu&&rs upset about this time?


We're not upset.  We're laughing at how you asshats are throwing a temper tantrum because you're losing.

Yes, that's right, queer people are pointing at you, calling you pathetic, and laughing at you.  Enjoy, you big, strong, manly man, enjoy.
 
2013-11-06 12:39:21 AM  
But boycotts don't work! Now go watch Ender's Game and eat at Chik-Fil-A!

Don't question me, f*gg*t!
 
2013-11-06 12:50:12 AM  

kerrigand:

1. Christian right, attempts to force their beliefs upon us. What do you do...rebel against it. Nothing wrong with that. and make laws that restrict the rights of anyone not white, male, Christian and heterosexual.

2. Gay right, attempts to force their beliefs up us. What do you do. hmmm.....interesting. the same thing happens, yet we're all bigots. have the same rights as everyone else.


Fixed for truth.
 
2013-11-06 02:44:26 AM  

gja: The My Little Pony Killer: Keeping your mouth shut is complacency. If you do not want to be lumped in with the bad guys, you'd better damn well open your mouths against them when they pipe up.

gja: "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."
Edmund Burke

Same thing said differently. But the point is there, and it is clear as crystal.


What an utter load of bullshiat. Seriously. Go back and read Kuroshin's posts. They're reasonable, well spoken, and devoid of this platitudinal garbage.
 
2013-11-06 06:38:17 AM  

Corn_Fed: The only thing they can do to truly correct the situation is to the very thing the CEO claimed he would never do: put gay couples in their advertising.


FTA: "...a commercial in which Spanish actor Antonio Banderas bakes his own Barilla bread to eat with a group of men."
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-11-06 06:50:42 AM  

Hebalo: gja: The My Little Pony Killer: Keeping your mouth shut is complacency. If you do not want to be lumped in with the bad guys, you'd better damn well open your mouths against them when they pipe up.

gja: "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."
Edmund Burke

Same thing said differently. But the point is there, and it is clear as crystal.

What an utter load of bullshiat. Seriously. Go back and read Kuroshin's posts. They're reasonable, well spoken, and devoid of this platitudinal garbage.


Being responsible and socially aware is BS? Good to know where YOUR values lay.
 
2013-11-06 07:03:03 AM  

Deedeemarz: apoptotic: silvervial: apoptotic: The two Barilla ads I've been seeing a lot of lately (they're spamming Hulu) both feature women shopping alone and being spirited out of the frozen foods aisle and taken home by some Italian guy in a convertible, where a chef proceeds to teach them how to heat up Barilla frozen dinners.

They're f*cking creepy.

I think those ads are for Bertoli, but I could be wrong.

As for Barilla, I wrote and told them that they had not only offended gay people, but all the straight people, like myself, a woman who makes the shopping decisions in my traditional family, who support gay people were also offended.

Tiny demographic, my ass!

Ah yes, you're right. That I automatically associated creepy with Barilla probably doesn't bode well though.

*makes mental note that Barilla is homophobic, Bertolli is creepy*

Just try Dreamfields. No homophobia, no creepers, and less digestible carbs than regular pasta.


Dreamfields is great, but unfortunately it's hard to get in western Canada and costs 4x more than any other brand. Whenever I happen to be near the one store that I've found here that carries it (a diabetic specialty shop), I do make a point of picking some up.
 
2013-11-06 08:50:53 AM  

Kuroshin: I figured that someone who goes around accusing others of being stupid idiots would already know this.


He's just trolling, dude. Ignore him (through the tool or otherwise), stop feeding him, and move on.
 
2013-11-06 10:55:36 AM  

Wook: Another gay news article / cause du jour


All the butthurt in this thread is wonderful.  CRY MOAR.
 
2013-11-06 10:58:01 AM  

omgrtfa: Everyone should cater to bisexuals they are 80% of the worlds population.


Good idea.  I'm bisexual.  Come vacuum my house tomorrow.

/French maid outfit optional
 
2013-11-06 11:37:43 AM  

frepnog: pgh9fan: What he said was completely ignorant.

why is it ignorant to say you support traditional families and won't use gay couples in advertising?


I can't know for sure what  pgh9fan was thinking, but if I had to guess, I'd wager he meant that homophobia comes from ignorance. Because "I support traditional families and won't use gay couples in advertising ," ignorant or not, is certainly homophobic.  Moreover, it's the kind of homophobia that gets wrapped up in weasel words like "support traditional families" because the speaker isn't honest enough, or brave enough, to just come out and say "I object to homosexuality and oppose equal rights for homosexuals," which is what they really mean.

Philosophically, people who describe homophobia, or other forms of bigotry, as ignorance hearken back to the Socratic concept of evil, which asserts that all evil acts are untimely self-harming, and since a rational person never chooses to harm himself, nobody ever knowingly commits an evil act.  Thus, all evil is essentially ignorance.

This is relevant to the whole "support traditional families" excuse.  Is that merely a convenient (though transparent) lie, said by people who know full well that homosexuality in no way threatens "traditional families", or are there people so ignorant, or deluded, that they actually think "traditional families" really do need to be "defended" from societal acceptance of homosexuality?

It also, I think, stems from Hanlon's Razor: "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."

But that is the question.  Is homophobia caused by fear (as the name would seem to imply)?  Is it ignorance that drives it?  Is it simply malice and the desire to despise SOME group of people SOMEWHERE, channeled against homosexuals, when it could easily be aimed at Jews or Blacks or Muslims?  A mixture of the three?  Perhaps a different mixture for different people?  There have been attempts to actually study the question scientifically, but the results are so far not very conclusive.
 
2013-11-06 12:14:14 PM  

ciberido: Wook: Another gay news article / cause du jour

All the butthurt in this thread is wonderful.  CRY MOAR.


Try harder next time.
 
2013-11-06 12:54:07 PM  

gja: Hebalo: gja: The My Little Pony Killer: Keeping your mouth shut is complacency. If you do not want to be lumped in with the bad guys, you'd better damn well open your mouths against them when they pipe up.

gja: "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."
Edmund Burke

Same thing said differently. But the point is there, and it is clear as crystal.

What an utter load of bullshiat. Seriously. Go back and read Kuroshin's posts. They're reasonable, well spoken, and devoid of this platitudinal garbage.

Being responsible and socially aware is BS? Good to know where YOUR values lay.


No, saying that not marching = being complicit in the negative aspect of something is bullshiat. Saying that anyone who didn't march for civil rights is racist or biggoted is bullshiat. I'm perfect capable of agreeing that gay marriage should be legal, and not actively pursuing the cause. Just because I don't carry a sign doesn't make me anti-gay.

That's the bullshiat I'm talking about.
 
2013-11-06 12:56:09 PM  

ciberido: Because "I support traditional families and won't use gay couples in advertising ," ignorant or not, is certainly homophobic.


No, it isn't. It in no way states that he fears homosexuals. It it no way implies he hate, despises, or actively seeks the end of homosexuals. It says that he chooses to support a version of a family that he endorses.

This is not black and white.
 
2013-11-06 01:07:02 PM  

Hebalo: ciberido: Because "I support traditional families and won't use gay couples in advertising ," ignorant or not, is certainly homophobic.

No, it isn't. It in no way states that he fears homosexuals. It it no way implies he hate, despises, or actively seeks the end of homosexuals. It says that he chooses to support a version of a family that he endorses.

This is not black and white.



If he was stating that he wasn't going to use gay couples because of marketing reasons (i.e. most people that buy his products are straight), then not homophobic.  Instead, it is clearly because of his bigotry, thus homophobic.
 
2013-11-06 01:15:10 PM  

Buttknuckle: Hebalo: ciberido: Because "I support traditional families and won't use gay couples in advertising ," ignorant or not, is certainly homophobic.

No, it isn't. It in no way states that he fears homosexuals. It it no way implies he hate, despises, or actively seeks the end of homosexuals. It says that he chooses to support a version of a family that he endorses.

This is not black and white.


If he was stating that he wasn't going to use gay couples because of marketing reasons (i.e. most people that buy his products are straight), then not homophobic.  Instead, it is clearly because of his bigotry, thus homophobic.


Garbage. He said he wants his ads to show traditional families. I believe "Ours is a traditional family" was the quote. He also said he has no issue with gay people buying the pasta, but that he won't be featuring them in his ads.

That doesn't in ANY way equal raging homophobic. He's a business owner who is making a choice. You're welcome to disagree and dislike his choice. I take issue with slapping an "anti-gay" label on him because of that. What if he never has a Chinese person in his ads? RACIST!!!!! Polynesian? RACIST!!!! Eskimo? RACIST!!!!


There a lot of ground between pro-gay and homophobe. I'm saying this guy falls in the middle somewhere, and I refute the concept that simply choosing not to have gay people in HIS ads makes him a homophobe. that's just stupid.
 
2013-11-06 01:33:14 PM  

Wook: ciberido: Wook: Another gay news article / cause du jour

All the butthurt in this thread is wonderful.  CRY MOAR.

Try harder next time.


It's not necessary when it's like shooting fish in a barrel.
 
2013-11-06 01:34:17 PM  

frepnog: kerrigand: Let us know how that thought works out about 5 or 10 years down the line when you own your own company.
Just remember how well the "Christian right" has done so well with attempting to shove their beliefs upon us.

this is one problem that I DO have with certain gay people.

ACCEPT US OR ELSE is never a good plan.


We'll take that under advisement.  Meanwhile, accept us or else.
 
2013-11-06 01:41:50 PM  

Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: gja: kerrigand: Kuroshin: kerrigand: MightyPez: kerrigand: Let us know how that thought works out about 5 or 10 years down the line when you own your own company.
Just remember how well the "Christian right" has done so well with attempting to shove their beliefs upon us.
Do you really think doing the same is going to give you a different outcome? No, it's not. It's just going to make people despise you more for it. Well hey, maybe, the two groups should join up and try to do the same thing. After all, it's seemed to work so far.

Oh wait..............

I honestly have no idea what you're getting at with this.

Sure you do. You're just too hardheaded to think beyond yourself.


Are you really trying to equate how someone is born with a religious movement?

I agree - I have no idea what you're trying to say.  Maybe that gays not wanting to be treated as second-class citizens is somehow the same as Christians demanding that everything in society conform to their religious dictates?  Still doesn't parse.

Help me out here.  How does a minority not wanting to be treated as abomination equate with a religion attempting to take over society?

Here's your help since you're too stupid to understand.

1. Christian right, attempts to force their beliefs upon us. What do you do...rebel against it. Nothing wrong with that.

2. Gay right, attempts to force their beliefs up us. What do you do. hmmm.....interesting. the same thing happens, yet we're all bigots.

See an issue with this? No? Well if you don't, then the two of you are the same. No different and if you think you are, you might want to go back to the drawing board with this.

Hope you have asbestos shorts.

He doesn't understand that he's a bigot. Most bigots don't feel that they are bigots. But that doesn't make them not a bigot.


kerrigand is a sock-puppet account.  It's not that he doesn't understand; he's trolling.  If you care, search for other threads he's posted in in which the term "sock-puppet" appears.
 
2013-11-06 02:00:21 PM  

Hebalo: DarkVader: frepnog: menschenfresser: Right; I'm sure it actually increased business with the derp crowd. "Traditional values" my ass. Surely they could put "Family" in the name of their organization/publication like most hate groups do.

Why is it hate?

Ahh, right, just claim that hate isn't.  No one will see through that.

It's the same tactic that some of the white supremacists are taking these days, they're claiming that they don't "hate" black people, they just don't want them around.  It's disingenuous, of course.

I have a traditional family. No gay people in it. Do I need to start inviting them over every night for dinner, or risk being called a bigot?


Nah, you've already identified yourself.  Don't worry about it.
 
2013-11-06 02:22:08 PM  

ciberido: Hebalo: DarkVader: frepnog: menschenfresser: Right; I'm sure it actually increased business with the derp crowd. "Traditional values" my ass. Surely they could put "Family" in the name of their organization/publication like most hate groups do.

Why is it hate?

Ahh, right, just claim that hate isn't.  No one will see through that.

It's the same tactic that some of the white supremacists are taking these days, they're claiming that they don't "hate" black people, they just don't want them around.  It's disingenuous, of course.

I have a traditional family. No gay people in it. Do I need to start inviting them over every night for dinner, or risk being called a bigot?

Nah, you've already identified yourself.  Don't worry about it.


 I'm not a bigot. I have no issue with gay marriage, or gay people in any way. I would have zero problem if either of my sons were gay.

Don't let that get in the way of your judging me. Go ahead, read back through my posts and find the parts where I'm a bigot.I'll wait.
 
2013-11-06 02:52:16 PM  

Hebalo: DarkVader: Hebalo: DarkVader: frepnog: menschenfresser: Right; I'm sure it actually increased business with the derp crowd. "Traditional values" my ass. Surely they could put "Family" in the name of their organization/publication like most hate groups do.

Why is it hate?

Ahh, right, just claim that hate isn't.  No one will see through that.

It's the same tactic that some of the white supremacists are taking these days, they're claiming that they don't "hate" black people, they just don't want them around.  It's disingenuous, of course.

I have a traditional family. No gay people in it. Do I need to start inviting them over every night for dinner, or risk being called a bigot?

You seriously think you're not related to anyone gay?  LOL

Why would you assume instantly that someone in my family is gay?


Well, it depends on how many people are in your family, of course, which in turn depends on how broadly you're defining "family."  Are you including aunts, uncles, cousins, grandparents, etc?  It really doesn't take all that many people before the odds are in favor of someone in the group being gay.

Just a quick hypothetical, if there are 14 or more people in your family, and there's a 5% chance for each of them that he or she is gay, that works out to be more likely than not that at least one is.
 
2013-11-06 03:02:42 PM  

ciberido: Hebalo: DarkVader: Hebalo: DarkVader: frepnog: menschenfresser: Right; I'm sure it actually increased business with the derp crowd. "Traditional values" my ass. Surely they could put "Family" in the name of their organization/publication like most hate groups do.

Why is it hate?

Ahh, right, just claim that hate isn't.  No one will see through that.

It's the same tactic that some of the white supremacists are taking these days, they're claiming that they don't "hate" black people, they just don't want them around.  It's disingenuous, of course.

I have a traditional family. No gay people in it. Do I need to start inviting them over every night for dinner, or risk being called a bigot?

You seriously think you're not related to anyone gay?  LOL

Why would you assume instantly that someone in my family is gay?

Well, it depends on how many people are in your family, of course, which in turn depends on how broadly you're defining "family."  Are you including aunts, uncles, cousins, grandparents, etc?  It really doesn't take all that many people before the odds are in favor of someone in the group being gay.

Just a quick hypothetical, if there are 14 or more people in your family, and there's a 5% chance for each of them that he or she is gay, that works out to be more likely than not that at least one is.


This was covered earlier in the thread.
 
2013-11-06 03:03:10 PM  

Hebalo: Buttknuckle: Hebalo: ciberido: Because "I support traditional families and won't use gay couples in advertising ," ignorant or not, is certainly homophobic.

No, it isn't. It in no way states that he fears homosexuals. It it no way implies he hate, despises, or actively seeks the end of homosexuals. It says that he chooses to support a version of a family that he endorses.

This is not black and white.


If he was stating that he wasn't going to use gay couples because of marketing reasons (i.e. most people that buy his products are straight), then not homophobic.  Instead, it is clearly because of his bigotry, thus homophobic.

Garbage. He said he wants his ads to show traditional families. I believe "Ours is a traditional family" was the quote. He also said he has no issue with gay people buying the pasta, but that he won't be featuring them in his ads.

That doesn't in ANY way equal raging homophobic. He's a business owner who is making a choice. You're welcome to disagree and dislike his choice. I take issue with slapping an "anti-gay" label on him because of that. What if he never has a Chinese person in his ads? RACIST!!!!! Polynesian? RACIST!!!! Eskimo? RACIST!!!!


There a lot of ground between pro-gay and homophobe. I'm saying this guy falls in the middle somewhere, and I refute the concept that simply choosing not to have gay people in HIS ads makes him a homophobe. that's just stupid.


Dude, if the said "I will never have a Chinese person in one of my advertisements" then there would be outrage and people would (rightfully so) assume the guy is racist towards the Chinese.

Not having gay people in your ads wouldn't even get noticed, but make a point of telling people that you won't have gay people in your ads is surely going to get noticed and people will label you a homophobe.  He shouldn't be surprised at the backlash.

If you want to white-knight this guy, then go for it.  The rest of us aren't going to jump on your bandwagon.
 
2013-11-06 03:11:12 PM  

Hebalo: So the thread calls them "anti-gay". Do you agree with that, or it is more to correct to say they aren't "pro-gay". The assumption seems to be if one isn't advocating gay rights, they're anti-gay. Doesn't sounds right to me.


If you're not with us, you're against us.  That's how it works.  If you don't like it or it seems unfair, too bad.
 
2013-11-06 03:29:18 PM  

Hebalo: ciberido: Because "I support traditional families and won't use gay couples in advertising ," ignorant or not, is certainly homophobic.

No, it isn't. It in no way states that he fears homosexuals. It it no way implies he hate, despises, or actively seeks the end of homosexuals. It says that he chooses to support a version of a family that he endorses.


A version that excludes gay couples... Which is the part that makes it homophobic...

If he had instead said, "I support traditional families and won't use interracial couples in advertising", do you not think that would be considered racist by everyone who heard it?
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-11-06 03:37:27 PM  

Hebalo: gja: Hebalo: gja: The My Little Pony Killer: Keeping your mouth shut is complacency. If you do not want to be lumped in with the bad guys, you'd better damn well open your mouths against them when they pipe up.

gja: "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."
Edmund Burke

Same thing said differently. But the point is there, and it is clear as crystal.

What an utter load of bullshiat. Seriously. Go back and read Kuroshin's posts. They're reasonable, well spoken, and devoid of this platitudinal garbage.

Being responsible and socially aware is BS? Good to know where YOUR values lay.

No, saying that not marching = being complicit in the negative aspect of something is bullshiat. Saying that anyone who didn't march for civil rights is racist or biggoted is bullshiat. I'm perfect capable of agreeing that gay marriage should be legal, and not actively pursuing the cause. Just because I don't carry a sign doesn't make me anti-gay.

That's the bullshiat I'm talking about.


Well, you sure screwed that up. That WASN"T WHAT I SAID AT ALL.
The point of the quote is when we chose to do nothing we have made a choice to turn our back on our fellow man.
Like it or not, that's the way it works in this world.
You don't need to march, carry signs, protest or any of that. But you do need to vote, and to speak up when you see or hear an injustice.
 
2013-11-06 04:43:22 PM  

Hebalo: Kope: Hebalo:

So the thread calls them "anti-gay". Do you agree with that, or it is more to correct to say they aren't "pro-gay". The assumption seems to be if one isn't advocating gay rights, they're anti-gay. Doesn't sounds right to me.

When oppression is the reality, any voice that chooses to merely accept the status-quo is a voice that chooses oppression. We're all part of the fight for equal human rights, regardless of if we want to be or not. Accepting oppression is endorsement.

I don't agree.


Of course you don't agree, but it has nothing to do with logic, and everything to do with the sad fact that you're lazy and selfish enough to want to both have your cake and eat it, too.  You want all of the "advantages" of being gay-friendly (not getting criticized by gay folks and other folks who are pro-gay rights, not having to feel bad about yourself for being a bigot) without any of the "disadvantages" (actually having to take a stand on gay rights and possibly face criticism or disapproval for it).

There really is no "neutral" position and trying to pretend there is is merely disingenuous.   Honestly, I'd rather deal with a confirmed homophobe who at least has the courage of their convictions and isn't afraid to say what they really think, consequences be damned.  They may hate me but at least they have the integrity to look me in the eye and say it to my face.
 
2013-11-06 05:19:11 PM  
gja: Being responsible and socially aware is BS? Good to know where YOUR values lay.

Hebalo: No, saying that not marching = being complicit in the negative aspect of something is bullshiat. Saying that anyone who didn't march for civil rights is racist or biggoted is bullshiat. I'm perfect capable of agreeing that gay marriage should be legal, and not actively pursuing the cause. Just because I don't carry a sign doesn't make me anti-gay.

That's the bullshiat I'm talking about.


You may not BE a bigot but it's reasonable to ASSUME you are if you won't even lift a finger to make it clear that you aren't one.  Put a rainbow sticker on your car or post "I support gay marriage" to Facebook or something like that.  Presto!  You've chosen a side.  How much effort did that take?

The thing is, you can say you don't care, but it's pretty damn obvious that you DO care since you keep posting in this thread (along with God-only-knows how much time you've spent in real-life arguing about how you're not a homophobe).  You're clearly willing to invest time and effort into arguing that it's "unfair" of us to criticize you.  So "I don't want to bother" or "I don't have time" seem pretty feeble excuses at this point.

Ask yourself: why are you fighting this so hard when it would be so much easier to simply come out in support of gay rights?
 
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