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2013-11-05 12:16:07 PM
Screw Grandma Millie, cut her power, loot her accounts, make her do the neighborhood laundry for $2 an hour.

- obscure?
 
2013-11-05 12:18:08 PM
You only get two pills a day to keep you alive. You get to pick which two based either on color or swallowability.

And Pats Sajack is gonna take a vacation. You deal with that.
 
2013-11-05 12:20:26 PM
This guy is an absolute jerkoff in just about every article he writes.

Mustache confirms it.



www.washingtonpost.com
 
2013-11-05 12:20:43 PM
Old people don't need companionship. They need to be isolated and studied so it can be determined what nutrients they have that might be extracted for our personal use.

I saw it in a pamphlet.
 
2013-11-05 12:21:35 PM
...into a champion tomahawk axe thrower's house?
 
2013-11-05 12:21:36 PM
What...the...fark? I don't even know how to respond to this article, except to say its author is a bad person and should feel bad.
 
2013-11-05 12:21:47 PM
Damn, I really hope I don't get old.
 
2013-11-05 12:22:02 PM
Wow, what an asshole.

I hope he retires broke, and alone.
 
2013-11-05 12:22:51 PM

Harry Freakstorm: You only get two pills a day to keep you alive. You get to pick which two based either on color or swallowability.

And Pats Sajack is gonna take a vacation. You deal with that.


Dat's racisss.
 
2013-11-05 12:24:55 PM
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Hated Obamacare so much that he allowed his syphilis to eat his brain.
 
2013-11-05 12:26:46 PM
Senior citizens, while slow and dangerous behind the wheel, can serve a purpose.
 
2013-11-05 12:27:07 PM
Not the most modest proposal I've ever read, but a fair stab at it. 6/10.
 
2013-11-05 12:27:14 PM
Well that settles it: I'm never going to win the biggest asshole contest, no matter how hard I try.
 
2013-11-05 12:28:30 PM
It's funny because he's a member of the very group he's bashing.
 
2013-11-05 12:31:03 PM
For the average person, Medicare will spend about $3 caring for them for every $1 they paid in while they worked. That's all well and good for the poor elderly, that they should get an "undeserved" benefit like that, but the wealthy elderly can afford to pay more and should.
 
2013-11-05 12:31:14 PM
i.livescience.com
 
2013-11-05 12:31:37 PM
Wait, isn't he just saying to tie SS and Medicare to financial need rather than just to age?
 
2013-11-05 12:31:42 PM

Grumpy Cat: Senior citizens, while slow and dangerous behind the wheel, can serve a purpose.


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2013-11-05 12:32:18 PM
He's advocating needs testing for Social Security and Medicare.

Social Security is self-funded and needs some minor adjustments. Most notably an increase on the cap - nobody pays Social Security on income over $117,000.

As for Medicare, the US spends twice the normal first-world per capita amount for health care.

Just give us Medicare for all and stop shoveling "health care" money into the insurance industry instead of using it for prevention and treatment.
 
2013-11-05 12:32:29 PM

PC LOAD LETTER: [i.livescience.com image 483x213]


*shakes tiny fist of impotent rage*
 
2013-11-05 12:33:00 PM
Death paneled.
 
2013-11-05 12:33:12 PM
www.wearysloth.com
 
2013-11-05 12:33:19 PM
This is what Republicans actually believe.
 
2013-11-05 12:40:21 PM

Rindred: This is what Republicans actually believe.


Did you read the article (not snarking, genuinely curious)?  The author just seems to want to needs test SS and Medicare.  I thought his point was that many seniors do not need the benefits; so, to save the system, they should not receive the benefits.  I disagree with this because those individuals paid into the system with the expectation of a return, but how does another "soak the rich" plan like this reflect what Repubs think?
 
2013-11-05 12:43:56 PM
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Isn't that racist? What if I want to be processed in to an integrated food? I don't want to sit on a shelf and have some one say "Look a box full of Soylent Green Crackers. Oh what a surprise. They got the top shelf."
 
2013-11-05 12:47:10 PM
I have this ongoing debate with and older family friend that goes a little something like this:

"How DARE they think about cutting my retirement benefits! I EARNED that! It is MY money!"

"Well the system will be bankrupt after you baby boomers so I won't even get a retirment benefit."

"Who cares about your generation? I've paid my dues. I earned that money!"

"Okay then...how about you only get back what you paid into the system then? Right now you get MORE than you paid out of it."

"Well that isn't fair. Everything is more expensive these days. I EARNED my retirement!"

"Yes? And? What about your kids and grandkids? They will have paid into it their whole lives and get nothing in return. I at least hope you leave them a sizeable inheritance to make up for it"

"What? No that is my money! I'm going to spend it!"

"So you are okay leaving them broke with no hope in their elderly years?"

"Look, I've worked hard. I earned every penny of my social security benefits. I don't know what your generation is going to do, but I don't care. I earned it!"

Pretty much what most older people. Fark the next generation give me mine. If society only grows when people plant trees knowing they will never sit in its shade then we are screwed
 
2013-11-05 12:48:05 PM
DNRTFT, but I did RTFA in a dead tree earlier today. I remember thinking what an asshole this guy was, and that he had to be misrepresenting his statistics somehow. I was with my Tea Party father, though, and I just didn't want to get into it. He's convinced that people get thousands of dollars a month in Social Security and live like kings. Despite the fact, I might add, that my mom is retiring next year and he knows how little she'll be getting.
 
2013-11-05 01:07:05 PM

Grumpy Cat: Senior citizens, while slow and dangerous behind the wheel, can serve a purpose.


I watch my grandchildren so my kids can work. Does that help? As far as slow and dangerous, only my car is slow. I'm only dangerous when I use Viagra, and then only to myself.
 
2013-11-05 01:14:08 PM
Two analysts at the Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis

If anyone is well know for looking after the elderly, its Bankers.
 
2013-11-05 01:18:20 PM
The simple solution would be to cap medicare and social security payments so that the programs cannot spend more than they make from taxation.

That would force us to actually look at what it costs and decide how we want to spend the resources we have.  Should we be paying social security to multimillionaires if it means less money for those who need it?  Should we cap the tax at $117,000 in income, or should we take out the cap?  Should we spend our limited medicare money on hip replacements for 90 year olds?

I know it is pretty cold and a pretty uncomfortable reality to face... but pretending that we have unlimited resources that we're going to pay for with a limited amount of money doesn't do us any favors.
 
2013-11-05 01:25:28 PM

Rindred: This is what Republicans actually believe.


So why are the Democrats pushing it too?

Sure, we like to pretend it's just the Republicans, but Obama's been trying to get this done for years now.
 
2013-11-05 01:27:03 PM

Teufel Ritter: Rindred: This is what Republicans actually believe.

Did you read the article (not snarking, genuinely curious)?  The author just seems to want to needs test SS and Medicare.  I thought his point was that many seniors do not need the benefits; so, to save the system, they should not receive the benefits.  I disagree with this because those individuals paid into the system with the expectation of a return, but how does another "soak the rich" plan like this reflect what Repubs think?


Yes, I actually did (and further, thanks for biting on me recycling Ye Olde Fark Troll Line).

The basic premise that "Medicare and Social Security are broke" is that they're actually self-funded by tax witholding on your paycheck, but Congress continually reaches into the till to take that money to pay for things like tax breaks and wars not funded on the balance books. They're not broke because they're "broke" in any sense, but that the people we've been electing for decades keep replacing the collected monies with IOUs...which Republicans then use to crow about slashing M/M/SSI because it's "out of money." If only irony caused physical pain.
 
2013-11-05 01:33:13 PM

Teufel Ritter: Wait, isn't he just saying to tie SS and Medicare to financial need rather than just to age?


SS isn't an entitlement program, it's an insurance program.  Paying into it makes you eligible to receive benefits.  Need doesn't factor into it.  It's like saying a rich person with car insurance shouldn't receive a payout if they're in an accident because they can easily afford to buy a new car.
 
2013-11-05 01:35:38 PM

TopoGigo: DNRTFT, but I did RTFA in a dead tree earlier today. I remember thinking what an asshole this guy was, and that he had to be misrepresenting his statistics somehow. I was with my Tea Party father, though, and I just didn't want to get into it. He's convinced that people get thousands of dollars a month in Social Security and live like kings. Despite the fact, I might add, that my mom is retiring next year and he knows how little she'll be getting.


That's part of the mentality, undeserving people get so much more than THEY do (and they always deserve it more).
 
2013-11-05 02:09:16 PM

oldfarthenry: [img.fark.net image 114x80]
Hated Obamacare so much that he allowed his syphilis to eat his brain.


No shiat. I started reading then looked back to see who was writing and rolled my eyes.

This farker gets too much face-time on Fark. Who's dick is he sucking around here?
 
2013-11-05 02:12:43 PM
If the government had not looted the SS trust fund, we would ALL be setting pretty. Government cannot stand to see a big pile of money just sitting there, unspent.
 
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2013-11-05 02:13:47 PM
I thought this would be a thoroughly thought provoking Airplane!!! thread.

© I must've had the fish
 
2013-11-05 02:14:23 PM
There's a sale at Penny's!
 
2013-11-05 02:15:41 PM

GentDirkly: For the average person, Medicare will spend about $3 caring for them for every $1 they paid in while they worked. That's all well and good for the poor elderly, that they should get an "undeserved" benefit like that, but the wealthy elderly can afford to pay more and should.


Yep it is rather farked up. I have a parent that survived a WW2 vets' death with all his pensions intact. This came from federal service in Army-Air, Federal/Navy Firefighter in Seattle, and state water commissioner. Yep, three full pensions. She is also on disability so she gets the benefits from when she worked as well. She draws maximum benefits because of the amount of credits she put in and her level of pay.

It's scary how much money these older folks feel they "deserve" when they didn't earn half of it. I'm getting on her all the time and she's coming around to just how abusive it is and with that is the understanding of our position.

These safety nets are supposed to be keeping you from eating cat food when you retire or get sick, not to give you a luxurious lifestyle that others have to pay for. I'm ok addressing some of the abuse as long as it isn't taking away from those that DO need it.
 
2013-11-05 02:15:47 PM
Makes sense to me. We spend more on extending the lives of theold than we do on educating the young. In what world does that make sense?
 
2013-11-05 02:19:33 PM

Ambivalence: Teufel Ritter: Wait, isn't he just saying to tie SS and Medicare to financial need rather than just to age?

SS isn't an entitlement program, it's an insurance program.  Paying into it makes you eligible to receive benefits.  Need doesn't factor into it.  It's like saying a rich person with car insurance shouldn't receive a payout if they're in an accident because they can easily afford to buy a new car.


That is why I wrote "rather than just age."  I am aware of how the system "works" currently; I am also aware the author is proposing a change to that system.
 
2013-11-05 02:21:15 PM

JesusJuice: Makes sense to me. We spend more on extending the lives of theold the military than we do on educating the young anything worthwhile. In what world does that make sense?


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2013-11-05 02:23:59 PM

BullBearMS: JesusJuice: Makes sense to me. We spend more on extending the lives of theold the military than we do on educating the young anything worthwhile. In what world does that make sense?


That is also bullshiat, but it's not what we're talking about.
 
2013-11-05 02:45:43 PM

JesusJuice: BullBearMS: JesusJuice: Makes sense to me. We spend more on extending the lives of theold the military than we do on educating the young anything worthwhile. In what world does that make sense?

That is also bullshiat, but it's not what we're talking about.


No, we're talking about cutting entitlements only a few months after both parties worked together to prevent the Bush tax cuts for the rich from ever expiring.

/Gotta have priorities
 
2013-11-05 03:00:35 PM

jaytkay: He's advocating needs testing for Social Security and Medicare.

Social Security is self-funded and needs some minor adjustments. Most notably an increase on the cap - nobody pays Social Security on income over $117,000.

As for Medicare, the US spends twice the normal first-world per capita amount for health care.

Just give us Medicare for all and stop shoveling "health care" money into the insurance industry instead of using it for prevention and treatment.


Agreed. Pharmacy benefit management corporations (your pharmacy insurance coverage) alone take in ridiculous profits:

Your monthly premiums
Your employer's premiums
Your doc pays to be on the plan
Kickbacks from drug companies
Fees for transmitting claims

In return, their "service" provides a server to accept or deny your claim at the pharmacy. They claim to do drug management, but all they really do is attempt to force people into certain cheaper treatment options, and they charge your employer a fee each time they suggest it, whether successful or not.

They profit on average $10 per prescription, the same as the pharmacy, where people are scrambling around all day drivin themselves insane attempting to keep up with the massive tide of work to do.

Seems pretty easy to save a whole lot of money on healthcare if we eliminate big insurance, but take the money and invest carefully.
 
2013-11-05 03:29:55 PM

BullBearMS: JesusJuice: BullBearMS: JesusJuice: Makes sense to me. We spend more on extending the lives of theold the military than we do on educating the young anything worthwhile. In what world does that make sense?

That is also bullshiat, but it's not what we're talking about.

No, we're talking about cutting entitlements only a few months after both parties worked together to prevent the Bush tax cuts for the rich from ever expiring.

/Gotta have priorities


You sure love your non-sequiturs. Why should I support a program that won't be there when I need it?
 
2013-11-05 06:51:17 PM
Fark you & Fark everybody.
 
2013-11-06 12:06:08 AM

JesusJuice: BullBearMS: JesusJuice: BullBearMS: JesusJuice: Makes sense to me. We spend more on extending the lives of theold the military than we do on educating the young anything worthwhile. In what world does that make sense?

That is also bullshiat, but it's not what we're talking about.

No, we're talking about cutting entitlements only a few months after both parties worked together to prevent the Bush tax cuts for the rich from ever expiring.

/Gotta have priorities

You sure love your non-sequiturs. Why should I support a program that won't be there when I need it?


Why won't it?

The costs of the military and spying on the entire world don't come out of payroll taxes, but those seem to get funded year after year.
 
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