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2013-11-05 11:58:16 AM  
10 votes:
The fact that this pseudo-religious cult dogma has lasted for so long is a testament to why every single major religion derided selfishness and pride.  Whether you believe in a God or Gods, it is pretty clear that societies across the planet had to put constraints own our douchebag natures under the penalty of smiting.

"Who is John Galt" is the perfect epitaph for the boomer generation.  Having been given everything, they proceeded to live a hedonist lifestyle that would have made Nero blush.  Now when the chickens are coming home to roost -- they are blaming the weak and the helpless and the voiceless.  The day I started to take my faith seriously, I started leaving the GOP.  They are literally the opposite of everything they proclaim.  F'em... I am going to stay with and work with the poor, because frankly they are better company.

Go Galt.. humph... why not go Dracula... both are equally as real.  Only Dracula is way cooler.
2013-11-05 04:13:54 PM  
6 votes:
What always cracks me up about those who love Atlas Shrugged is they usually don't understand that John Galt is a communist agitator. John Galt owned nothing, he was labor for hire. Taggart, d'Anconia, and Reardon these were owners, producers of wealth and John Galt convinced them to give up their wealth, to roll over and surrender to the state.

John Galt forms a commune in the mountains, sure they pretend  to "pay" people in gold, but he rewards those who he views as more equal with more gold right from the start, just like the old USSR did. He then convinces those producers to move there, getting them to imprison themselves in their own gulag without ever realizing that they are their own prisoners.

His tactics of work stoppage, slow down, obstruction and out right striking those are labor tactics not owner tactics. Going Galt is a communist solution to capitalist oppression, not a capitalist solution to communist oppression. It is truly a brilliant piece of communist propaganda that idiot class does not even realize is commie propaganda, but all of Rand's works are like this. She was a brilliant communist agitator.
2013-11-05 11:36:46 AM  
6 votes:
I strongly encourage every ayn randian fanatic to go galt and drop out of this evil society as fast as they can. Flee to the hills! You'll be safe in your bunkers and caves, I promise.
2013-11-05 12:09:29 PM  
5 votes:
I find ayn rand republicans to be a fascinating contradiction. Especially when they claim to be good Christians at the same time. It's like meeting a gay Jewish black man who wants to join the KKK. you just don't know how to to break it too them that they're seriously misinformed about their position in life.
2013-11-05 01:27:52 PM  
4 votes:

timujin: PC LOAD LETTER: GreenAdder: Nah, but seriously. I don't frequent the Politics tab, so I don't know what Bob you mean.

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That was my question when I read Atlas Shrugged... which of these guys is going to take out the trash?


Well, it is clear that Bob the angry Flower didn't actually finish the book.  This was addressed at the end.  They each grew their own crops, and traded with each other for each other's services.  They helped each other out.  when somebody needed a service, they would get help from the expert in that area. And If you were the expert in an area, you helped the people that needed it.  So if you had ability, you provided to those in need. I guess you could develop a motto about this using the themes of from those with ability to others with need, but I'm not much of a wordsmith.
2013-11-05 12:12:47 PM  
3 votes:

GreenAdder: Nah, but seriously. I don't frequent the Politics tab, so I don't know what Bob you mean.


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2013-11-06 02:39:29 AM  
2 votes:

Smackledorfer: HotWingAgenda: Putting aside the problems with objectivism in general, his reading of this is flat out wrong:

"Miss Taggart, do you know the hallmark of the second-rater? It's resentment of another man's achievement. Those touchy mediocrities who sit trembling lest someone's work prove greater than their own - they have no inkling of the loneliness that comes when you reach the top. The loneliness for an equal - for a mind to respect and an achievement to admire. They bare their teeth at you from out of their rat holes, thinking that you take pleasure in letting your brilliance dim them - while you'd give a year of your life to see a flicker of talent anywhere among them. They envy achievement, and their dream of greatness is a world where all men have become their acknowledged inferiors. They don't know that that dream is the infallible proof of mediocrity, because that sort of world is what the man of achievement would not be able to bear."

The point of that conversation was about people who refuse to contribute to society, and expect to be carried by everyone else at all times. Entitlement is never a good thing, and no ethical or successful businessman would support entitlement. The rest of objectivism flows from wrapping your head around that point. This world only functions when everyone works together, exchanging the product of their work in order improve their own positions.

If the whole book reads like that passage then I'm glad I never read it.  Ugh, what self-righteous drivel.


It also bears no resemblance to how normal people think. I'm a pretty mediocre guitar player (quite honestly, that's being generous), I would really hate it if my talent was the maximum people could achieve at it, as it would mean there wouldn't be any great guitar music. I'm sure Dan Brown doesn't stay up at night consumed with envy for Cormac McCarthy's writing talent, wishing desperately that better writers than him didn't exist  The idea that people are either the best in the world at something or filled with resentment that they aren't the best in the world is ludicrous. It's the sort of mindset only a megalomaniac has.
2013-11-06 01:10:49 AM  
2 votes:

untaken_name: 1. It worked for several thousand years. The price of goods did not fluctuate much from generation to generation


What utter farking nonsense. You are completely ignorant of history and economics.

1) Historically, a gold standard wasn't actually that common.
2) Whether or not a culture has a gold standard doesn't have any effect on how the price of goods fluctuates.
2013-11-06 12:31:56 AM  
2 votes:

untaken_name: It takes about $10 to buy what $1 would buy in 1950. People don't make an average of 10 times more than they did in 1950. This means that, effectively, people make less money than they did in 1950. Would it be better with a gold standard? Well, let's look at the stats: from 1800-1900: slight deflation, gold standard. 1912-2012: 23x increase in the amount of money required to buy the same things, fiat currency. Which way's better? Draw your own conclusions.


Going by this:  http://www.stanford.edu/class/polisci120a/immigration/Median%20Househ o ld%20Income.pdf  it looks like even taking into account inflation people are better off today than they were in 1950

The idea that if we were paid in gold our incomes would be protected in a way that getting paid in paper currency doesn't also relies on the colossal assumptions that  (a) the price of goods wouldn't fluctuate in relation to the price of gold and (b) your employer wouldn't just cut the amount of gold they paid their workers over the years.
2013-11-05 04:59:05 PM  
2 votes:

Debeo Summa Credo: Have you read it? Is it any good or does it only get attention because its a libertarian favorite?


It's a pretty dreary, boring read because Rand seemed to be more concerned about getting her philosophy across than actually writing a decent story.

I think  Anthem is a much better Rand book and it's very short, too.
2013-11-05 03:46:13 PM  
2 votes:
So...

I haven't read Atlas Shrugged so could be waaaay off.

I understand the premise is that the worlds wealthy - the leaders of industry and the like - all decide to bugger off and basically leave everyone else wallowing in self pity because the factories all closed and they're all unemployed...

I assume the factories had some level of mid-management who knew how the whole place operated, an accounts guy who knew where the various orders would go, foremen who knew what the workers were supposed to do and workers who knew how to operate the machines.

When Mr. Industrialist vanishes to his mountain hideout leaving the factory all locked up - isn't that a problem everyone else who worked there could have solved with a pair of bolt cutters?
2013-11-05 03:35:34 PM  
2 votes:

ricbach229: Going Galt sounds better and better.


Going full on French Revolution sounds better and better.  Can't wait to hold your head up to the crowd.
2013-11-05 02:22:18 PM  
2 votes:
If you take your investment (hell, life) advice from a meth addict with no education in the field, who died penniless and on government assistance, then you deserve what you get.
2013-11-05 02:11:08 PM  
2 votes:

Tricky Chicken: Well, it is clear that Bob the angry Flower didn't actually finish the book. This was addressed at the end. They each grew their own crops, and traded with each other for each other's services. They helped each other out for money. when somebody needed a service, they would get help from the expert in that area in exchange for money. And If you were the expert in an area, you helped the people that needed it in exchange for money. So if you had ability, you provided to those in need in exchange for money.


FTFY.
2013-11-05 02:00:27 PM  
2 votes:

mcreadyblue: Article list me when it dissed the gold standard and praised Ben Bernake.

Inflation is around the corner folks.


Good. That would have a better impact on our debt than any GOP austerity program.
2013-11-05 01:06:49 PM  
2 votes:
"Gold was an objective value, an equivalent of wealth produced."

It's amazing that people believe this shiat.
2013-11-05 12:49:31 PM  
2 votes:
Article list me when it dissed the gold standard and praised Ben Bernake.

Inflation is around the corner folks.
2013-11-05 12:10:29 PM  
2 votes:
Just throwing this out there, but if society's ever on the brink of collapse because the billionaire CEO of MegaPharmaPetroCorp decided to quit his job and go live on a yacht in international waters, I'll be more than happy to save the economy and step into the position myself.  Admittedly I don't have much experience in raping the economy, government, and environment of an entire country to satisfy my own personal narcissism and lust for wealth, but I'm a fast learner.
2013-11-05 12:06:34 PM  
2 votes:
I think "Going Galt" is perfect advice for rich sociopaths, well not good advice so much as it is everything they want to hear.
2013-11-05 11:51:41 AM  
2 votes:

PC LOAD LETTER: In before Bob.


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I have no idea what you're talking about, so I'm just going to assume you mean Bob Dobbs.

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Or Bob Wiley?

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Cheddar Bob?

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Bob Barker says, "Spay and Neuter your pets."

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Or maybe you're feeling One Love, like Bob Marley.

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And let's not forget Bob Goldthwait, responsible for "The 'Citizen Kane' of alcoholic clown movies."

Nah, but seriously. I don't frequent the Politics tab, so I don't know what Bob you mean.
2013-11-06 06:52:25 PM  
1 votes:

Mrbogey: Advocating a return to hard money is terrible business advice, because it's not only unproductive and wildly unlikely but would also bring back the huge fluctuations in inflation that modern monetary policy has managed to largely end in the Western world.

Stopped reading at that point.

Here:
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Going off the gold standard is done precisely so inflation can be created and manipulated.


Not understanding your own chart..
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2013-11-06 01:06:05 PM  
1 votes:

Firethorn: There's a lot less WTF's in Rand's philosophies if you fully develop them


Objectivism, fully developed:

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2013-11-06 01:02:55 PM  
1 votes:

untaken_name: 1. It worked for several thousand years.


There were no more than a few thousand principle players in the world's largest economies for thousands of years. Today there are billions.

The problem with gold is that there is a finite amount of it in the world and we even know how much: About 33 cubic metres worth. It's been estimated that about 25 cubic metres of gold has already been discovered and scooped out of the ground, most of it within the last two centuries. There's hardly any gold left that we either don't know about or is inaccessible (bottom of the ocean, volcanoes, etc.). But the important thing to understand here is that we cannot get, nor make, any more gold. This is all we get. The only other place to get more gold is in the exploded cores of stars.

The Gold Standard was fine for world economies up until about 100 years ago because of a few things:

1) Belief in the fiscal fluidity of gold. If legal tender got scarce, you could always scoop more out of the ground to grease the engines of capitalism.

2) There were only a handful of nations with global currencies/economies. Less players in the capitalist game == less pressing need for fiscal fluidity. Economies moved relatively slow, money supply/inflation stayed the same, and all the gold in the world was enough for the major players at the time.

Today, however, there are over a hundred global currencies and 150 global economies. The dependency on a finite resource has moved from a few million bit players a century ago to most of the world's population (let's say 5+ billion), which as you might imagine, has reached a tipping point. There simply isn't enough gold to ensure fiscal fluidity (gold -- or lack of it -- frequently caused bank panics and Depressions in the 19th century for this reason).

Economists knew this as far back as the 1890s and their response was to devalue the gold supply by printing "gold certificates" (paper money representations of gold), essentially increase the amount of gold that existed by dealing in an abstract representation of gold. They needed to devalue the gold four times in the first half of the 20th century alone -- in 1921, 1934, 1938 and finally in 1944, where under the Bretton Woods agreement gold was officially worth 40% of what it was. It stayed that way until 1971 when the emergence of post-colonial economies necessitated a massive shift in global economic policy. Gold was too rigid and too structured (not fluent enough) to handle the influx of a billion more capitalist customers, so that's when they moved off gold and into the age of fiat currency (floating paper money printed by governments), backed by the US dollar.

Fiat isn't perfect. It has its problems too. There are pros and cons to every economic system, but at the time, moving to fiat may have been the most sensible choice (but maybe only a short-term one). See, that's the problem with economics -- the law of unintended consequences plays havoc with longterm planning, foresight and policy.

But technically, we've been off the gold standard since 1934.
2013-11-06 12:21:54 PM  
1 votes:
Business is all about relationships, and Ayn Rand was too socially damaged to ever understand business despite constantly championing it. She just didn't get people, period. She was an absolutely despicable person according to EVERYONE who ever had the misfortune of working with or even meeting her. She was indomitably defiant, obscenely difficult to talk to (you were not permitted to interrupt her, but she would interrupt you constantly), and she was known to completely suck the life out of a room. She never smiled or laughed, she abhorred small talk, and she would often approach strangers with random questions like "Tell me about your premises." She was a pure autistic in every sense of the meaning.

And the big problem with philosophy was, like all philosophers, she assumed that everyone ought to think like her.
2013-11-06 11:41:50 AM  
1 votes:
Going Galt is a good way to go broke

Well, at least when you do go broke, you can suck on the government tit, like Ayn Rand.
2013-11-06 10:10:26 AM  
1 votes:
Sally Rand was more interesting.
2013-11-06 07:26:55 AM  
1 votes:
Ayn had a pretty screwed up personality and an unrealistic philosophy, but she came from a really messed up time in history while living in the wrong place in the world. That can screw up a lot of people.
2013-11-06 04:52:02 AM  
1 votes:

LoneWolf343: A friend of mine once pointed out that "Going Galt" wouldn't work because, after the dust settled, the so-called leeches would realize they were better off without you.


Yeah, after a couple of weeks of confusion everything is back working just as before, but everyone can get paid twice as much as there isn't a bunch of leeches at the top siphoning off 50% of the income to themselves for doing nothing. While in the longer term some companies that were innovative due to their leadership might fade (like say Apple without Jobs), it is hardly going to be an immediate thing. But if they do they will get replaced by new companies from new entrepreneurs filling the gaps as they always do.

Of course in reality the people that find themselves taking over each company are likely to pay themselves lots and the pay raises for everyone else would be much lower, as they will probably fairly quickly start thinking of themselves as the key reason the entire company works to justify their inflated pay, despite the evidence to the contrary.
2013-11-06 04:33:26 AM  
1 votes:

Vlad_the_Inaner: "Other people have no right, no hold, no interest or influence on him. And this is not affected or chosen -- it's inborn, absolute, it can't be changed, he has 'no organ' to be otherwise. In this respect, he has the true, innate psychology of a Superman. He can never realize and feel 'other people.' "


Hare psychopathy checklist

5. CONNING AND MANIPULATIVENESS- the use of deceit and deception to cheat, con, or defraud others for personal gain; distinguished from Item #4 in the degree to which exploitation and callous ruthlessness is present, as reflected in a lack of concern for the feelings and suffering of one's victims.
 6. LACK OF REMORSE OR GUILT -- a lack of feelings or concern for the losses, pain, and suffering of victims; a tendency to be unconcerned, dispassionate, coldhearted, and unempathic. This item is usually demonstrated by a disdain for one's victims.
7. SHALLOW AFFECT -- emotional poverty or a limited range or depth of feelings; interpersonal coldness in spite of signs of open gregariousness.
8. CALLOUSNESS and LACK OF EMPATHY -- a lack of feelings toward people in general; cold, contemptuous, inconsiderate, and tactless.
2013-11-06 03:03:19 AM  
1 votes:

soakitincider: Smackledorfer: soakitincider: i am not a fan of ayn rand but i do believe in a responsible debt-free society.

So no loans of any kind?

Or did you just mean the government should be debt-free?  Should they run a large surplus, or do you believe they should have significant expansion and contraction from month to month or year to year, with no funds on hand in case something comes up?

Ideally yes, no loans of any kind; if there exists a surplus at the end of a fiscal year, then the money should be refunded back to the populous.


That is less intelligent than Billy Madison's views on the industrial revolution.
2013-11-06 02:57:08 AM  
1 votes:
My high school World History teacher had us read one book in her class and it was Anthem...I'm not really sure why or what that has to do with history but we had to read Anthem and she was really into it.  I recall reading it and not being very impressed but I'm glad in a way that we read that because I learned at 16 that I didn't ever need to read any Ayn Rand books ever again.  I wasn't really familiar with who she was at the time and really didn't care, I just thought it was kind of a boring story and was sort of beneath us intellectually.  I also found it ironic that we would read something about a society where we were all expected to be part of the collective and do as we were told since that's basically what high school was and that any actions we took similar to the protagonists in the story would result us in being punished for insubordination.
This individual in particular really did not enjoy when we challenged her rather simplistic view of history, for instance when she told us that the issues Ireland and Northern Ireland have had were solely due to religious differences and nothing else and didn't appreciate when I pointed out that generally speaking people tend to not really a foreign power occupying their homeland and imposing their laws and customs at gunpoint.  She kicked me out of class over that.
Looking back it was sort of ironic that she was trying to show us all the virtues of individuality so long as our individuality didn't challenge her viewpoints or authority.
As an adult I was surprised to hear that people actually not only had read more than one Ayn Rand book but that they actually liked them and there was a school of thought (or absence thereof) devoted to the symbolism in her books.  To me Anthem just seemed like a poorly written science fiction book about a bunch of pussies who just bowed to authority and when push comes to shove run off to the forest instead of fighting...I found the ending to be sort of anti-climactic.  If there was a sequel where they came back and kicked totalitarian ass or at least tried I might have liked the book.  It just seemed like kind of a cop out.
2013-11-06 12:38:07 AM  
1 votes:
Two A-10s with full loadout and a KC-135 on standby.

One gulch.

Y'all do the math.
2013-11-05 10:41:00 PM  
1 votes:

globalwarmingpraiser: meat0918: So... taking business advice from a book written by sociopath is a bad idea.

Whoddathunkit?

 So running your company efficiently, rewarding those who work hard, looking for new innovations, and being honest are not good business practices? Seriously if you ever read the damned book you would know that is what she advocated. She had a banker character that was treated badly by the press for not writing loans to people who couldn't afford them.


You can't reason with a looter.  They're too damned evil to give a shiat.
2013-11-05 10:27:29 PM  
1 votes:

meat0918: So... taking business advice from a book written by sociopath is a bad idea.

Whoddathunkit?


 So running your company efficiently, rewarding those who work hard, looking for new innovations, and being honest are not good business practices? Seriously if you ever read the damned book you would know that is what she advocated. She had a banker character that was treated badly by the press for not writing loans to people who couldn't afford them.
2013-11-05 10:00:59 PM  
1 votes:

Karac: Target Builder: So...

I haven't read Atlas Shrugged so could be waaaay off.

I understand the premise is that the worlds wealthy - the leaders of industry and the like - all decide to bugger off and basically leave everyone else wallowing in self pity because the factories all closed and they're all unemployed...

I assume the factories had some level of mid-management who knew how the whole place operated, an accounts guy who knew where the various orders would go, foremen who knew what the workers were supposed to do and workers who knew how to operate the machines.

When Mr. Industrialist vanishes to his mountain hideout leaving the factory all locked up - isn't that a problem everyone else who worked there could have solved with a pair of bolt cutters?

I don't know about you, but the boss of the place I work for can, and has, buggered off for two or three weeks at a time without causing much of a problem.

Now if the secretary happens to get sick ... hoo boy.


Sure we don't work for the same guy?

/he takes multiple vacations a year.
//this year, he went to Istanbul
///but does he have the money to buy a new copier? Noooooo...
2013-11-05 09:47:18 PM  
1 votes:

JohnBigBootay: Simplistic horseshiat for dime-store intellectuals.


That's exactly what Ayn Rand is about.  There was a reason her "philosophy" was soundly rejected by actual academia (both philosophical and economic) in her own time, and basically only followed by a cult-like body that exists outside legitimate intellectual circles.

However, in the growing derpstorm of the Right-wing, this defective, pathological way of thinking has somehow gained more legitimacy as something that lets the rich (or wish-they-were-rich) feel better about themselves and plays into the "taxes are always bad" Republican mantra.
2013-11-05 09:09:25 PM  
1 votes:
I don't understand why people think gold is any more stable than paper money. Precious metals and other forms of currency only have value because we assign them value. There's nothing inherently different in assigning value to gold versus assigning value to paper currency. Currency itself is entirely human in construct, it has abstract value because we assign value it. Salt was once a form of currency, maybe we should return to a salt standard because it's older?
2013-11-05 08:32:26 PM  
1 votes:
A friend of mine once pointed out that "Going Galt" wouldn't work because, after the dust settled, the so-called leeches would realize they were better off without you.
2013-11-05 07:36:15 PM  
1 votes:

Rapmaster2000: Sorry, but we'll all be at Galt's Gulch zooming around on trains and bedding raping all of the attractive and sexy ladies that are really into Ayn Rand.


FTFY.

Seriously, Rand had a creepy rapey thing going on in her novels.  Don't know if it was wishful thinking. . .
2013-11-05 06:37:36 PM  
1 votes:
The books I have for my two year old are more believable. Plus they teach how to act like a good person, not a retarded idiot.
2013-11-05 06:33:22 PM  
1 votes:
So... taking business advice from a book written by sociopath is a bad idea.

Whoddathunkit?
2013-11-05 06:28:30 PM  
1 votes:

flondrix: mcreadyblue: Inflation is around the corner folks.

How long has it been just around the corner?


Since the gas station put in that air pump.

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2013-11-05 05:29:48 PM  
1 votes:

Fart_Machine: In other news taking seriously a fantasy novel written by a sociopath is a stupid idea.


Yes, but why bring scientology in to the discussion?
2013-11-05 04:56:59 PM  
1 votes:

Target Builder: I understand the premise is that the worlds wealthy - the leaders of industry and the like - all decide to bugger off and basically leave everyone else wallowing in self pity because the factories all closed and they're all unemployed...

I assume the factories had some level of mid-management who knew how the whole place operated, an accounts guy who knew where the various orders would go, foremen who knew what the workers were supposed to do and workers who knew how to operate the machines.


 There's no middle-management in the book, or really anyone who is moderately competent.  There's just the producers and takers.  If you're not a producer, then you're a moocher.  "Who is John Galt?" is the oft-repeated saying the characters morosely ask each other as the world falls apart around them because a tiny select few individuals have disappeared and everyone is completely baffled as to how to replace them and fill the sucking vacuums they leave in their respective markets.

 There is just no one left to step up and do their important jobs of telling others what to do.  Seriously, the entire remaining population shrugs their shoulders helplessly.  Dagny is surrounded by dullards who are unqualified to play Pocket Trains, much less develop trans-continental train schedules.  There are no assistants, there are no other executives and there are never any interim CEOs, acting managers or temporary leadership promotions.

 Everyone just gives up as twilight descends on humanity and they learn the terrible secret that all of western civilization was propped up by a dozen people.
2013-11-05 04:29:14 PM  
1 votes:

Debeo Summa Credo: mcmnky: Is the author of the article stupid or a troll?

There may be some good points in there, bit the misrepresentations of Atlas Shrugged are so egregious I couldn't tell.

I live never read it but am now intrigued. Sounds like some of the characters make quotes about the leeches of society that seem to hit a bit close to home for some of the usual suspects around here.

Is it worthwhile to read? I've always assumed it was boring.


I liked it, but it is long-winded. Start with The Fountainhead. It's shorter and better written.

One thing you'll find if you read Atlas is any article linked to from Fark about or quoting the book was written by someone who either didn't read the book or didn't understand what they read.

Not all rich people and CEOs in the book are heroes, not all poor people and government employees are villains.

Rand is rarely subtle, but there is some nuance to get writing.
2013-11-05 04:28:33 PM  
1 votes:

Slaves2Darkness: What always cracks me up about those who love Atlas Shrugged is they usually don't understand that John Galt is a communist agitator. John Galt owned nothing, he was labor for hire. Taggart, d'Anconia, and Reardon these were owners, producers of wealth and John Galt convinced them to give up their wealth, to roll over and surrender to the state.

John Galt forms a commune in the mountains, sure they pretend  to "pay" people in gold, but he rewards those who he views as more equal with more gold right from the start, just like the old USSR did. He then convinces those producers to move there, getting them to imprison themselves in their own gulag without ever realizing that they are their own prisoners.

His tactics of work stoppage, slow down, obstruction and out right striking those are labor tactics not owner tactics. Going Galt is a communist solution to capitalist oppression, not a capitalist solution to communist oppression. It is truly a brilliant piece of communist propaganda that idiot class does not even realize is commie propaganda, but all of Rand's works are like this. She was a brilliant communist agitator.


And it's all written in a style that can best be described as second  third-rate socialist realism.
2013-11-05 04:07:09 PM  
1 votes:

mcmnky: Is the author of the article stupid or a troll?

There may be some good points in there, bit the misrepresentations of Atlas Shrugged are so egregious I couldn't tell.


I live never read it but am now intrigued. Sounds like some of the characters make quotes about the leeches of society that seem to hit a bit close to home for some of the usual suspects around here.

Is it worthwhile to read? I've always assumed it was boring.
2013-11-05 03:30:16 PM  
1 votes:

Tricky Chicken: sabreWulf07: Tricky Chicken: Well, it is clear that Bob the angry Flower didn't actually finish the book. This was addressed at the end. They each grew their own crops, and traded with each other for each other's services. They helped each other out for money. when somebody needed a service, they would get help from the expert in that area in exchange for money. And If you were the expert in an area, you helped the people that needed it in exchange for money. So if you had ability, you provided to those in need in exchange for money.

FTFY.

Actually, it was pure gold and not money. I was being snarky and silly.  Mostly I wanted to point out that she ended the book by addressing exactly what Bob the Angry Flower was going off about. Of course everything worked perfectly in her utopian epilogue.  However, by the time anybody ever got to that part of the book, they were hardly in any condition to retain anything they were reading.  The book was so long and desperately in need of an editor, that people nearing the end were about as delirious as a marathon runner nearing the finish line.  You didn't care about what you were reading anymore, it was just a personal challenge to finish.


Holy shiat, that's a perfect synopsis of how I felt getting to the end of The Fountainhead.

I don't know why but I started trying to read Atlas Shrugged too... only to realize I was reading the same book with BONUS FILLER.

I was a dumb teen, at least I grew out of it.

/Being a teen, that is
//Randianism is stupid as all hell
2013-11-05 03:20:33 PM  
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It's always amused me that the people who are so big on Atlas Shrugged are exactly the people that would be left out of the Utopia.  Also Dagny was a hoooooooo.
2013-11-05 02:35:57 PM  
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sabreWulf07: Tricky Chicken: Well, it is clear that Bob the angry Flower didn't actually finish the book. This was addressed at the end. They each grew their own crops, and traded with each other for each other's services. They helped each other out for money. when somebody needed a service, they would get help from the expert in that area in exchange for money. And If you were the expert in an area, you helped the people that needed it in exchange for money. So if you had ability, you provided to those in need in exchange for money.

FTFY.


Actually, it was pure gold and not money. I was being snarky and silly.  Mostly I wanted to point out that she ended the book by addressing exactly what Bob the Angry Flower was going off about. Of course everything worked perfectly in her utopian epilogue.  However, by the time anybody ever got to that part of the book, they were hardly in any condition to retain anything they were reading.  The book was so long and desperately in need of an editor, that people nearing the end were about as delirious as a marathon runner nearing the finish line.  You didn't care about what you were reading anymore, it was just a personal challenge to finish.
2013-11-05 02:21:54 PM  
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Weaver95: I strongly encourage every ayn randian fanatic to go galt and drop out of this evil society as fast as they can. Flee to the hills! You'll be safe in your bunkers and caves, I promise.


Thanbk you. I am off to a secret canyon in Colorado where I will live on a self-sustaining ranch and barter goods and services with other high-minder makers.

You know, I just don't get it. I actually read Atlas Shrugged and The Fountainhead in their entirety back in college. I actually enjoyed them both. I like a long novel and I found them ripping good sci-fi lite yarns. But it was well over twenty years ago and they didn't seem such political touchstones at the time. It never occurred to me for a second that the ideas in those books made a goddam bit of sense as some kind of political system that someone should actually try. Simplistic horseshiat for dime-store intellectuals.
2013-11-05 02:20:41 PM  
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Is the author of the article stupid or a troll?

There may be some good points in there, bit the misrepresentations of Atlas Shrugged are so egregious I couldn't tell.
2013-11-05 02:16:51 PM  
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Go Galt assholes. You need us more than we need you.
2013-11-05 02:12:58 PM  
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Smeggy Smurf: SomeoneDumb: mcreadyblue: Article list me when it dissed the gold standard and praised Ben Bernake.

Inflation is around the corner folks.

Good. That would have a better impact on our debt than any GOP austerity program.

You must have nothing in the bank and thus nothing to lose.


Exactly!  He probably has his money in something stupid like stocks, commodities, or real estate.  Why should people who keep their money in a savings account be punished?

Did you know that every year a dollar is worth less and less while a dram of gold can still buy the same monocle in 2013 that it did in 1913?  This is why we need to go back to the gold standard, so my keen investment intellect is no longer punished by the hand of government.
2013-11-05 02:02:23 PM  
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GoodyearPimp: H31N0US: Tricky Chicken: timujin: PC LOAD LETTER: GreenAdder: Nah, but seriously. I don't frequent the Politics tab, so I don't know what Bob you mean.

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That was my question when I read Atlas Shrugged... which of these guys is going to take out the trash?

Well, it is clear that Bob the angry Flower didn't actually finish the book.  This was addressed at the end.  They each grew their own crops, and traded with each other for each other's services.  They helped each other out.  when somebody needed a service, they would get help from the expert in that area. And If you were the expert in an area, you helped the people that needed it.  So if you had ability, you provided to those in need. I guess you could develop a motto about this using the themes of from those with ability to others with need, but I'm not much of a wordsmith.

You are close but just a little off the marx.

Try it again in Englesh..


Quit stalin and tell me the answer!
2013-11-05 01:56:29 PM  
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ricbach229: dookdookdook: Just throwing this out there, but if society's ever on the brink of collapse because the billionaire CEO of MegaPharmaPetroCorp decided to quit his job and go live on a yacht in international waters, I'll be more than happy to save the economy and step into the position myself.  Admittedly I don't have much experience in raping the economy, government, and environment of an entire country to satisfy my own personal narcissism and lust for wealth, but I'm a fast learner.

If you can be the CEO of anything bigger than a hot dog stand, WTF are you doing on here commenting snarking it up?  People with the skill sets to even manage more than teenagers mowing grass tend to be busier than you seem to be.    Someday maybe I'll have the skills you have and can run my very own whatever you founded.

/my day off just got a 3:30 mandatory meeting thrown into it, partially thanks to ACA. Going Galt sounds better and better.


This!  Who will attend meetings without Randian Superheroes?  The skills needed to be a middle manager cannot be replaced so easily.

What will you parasites do without us to give you power point presentations?  How will you survive without the meeting minutes?  Who will purchase motivational posters for the break room?

Think about that.
2013-11-05 01:39:58 PM  
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Tricky Chicken: timujin: PC LOAD LETTER: GreenAdder: Nah, but seriously. I don't frequent the Politics tab, so I don't know what Bob you mean.

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That was my question when I read Atlas Shrugged... which of these guys is going to take out the trash?

Well, it is clear that Bob the angry Flower didn't actually finish the book.  This was addressed at the end.  They each grew their own crops, and traded with each other for each other's services.  They helped each other out.  when somebody needed a service, they would get help from the expert in that area. And If you were the expert in an area, you helped the people that needed it.  So if you had ability, you provided to those in need. I guess you could develop a motto about this using the themes of from those with ability to others with need, but I'm not much of a wordsmith.


You are close but just a little off the marx.
2013-11-05 01:33:47 PM  
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jaytkay: Felgraf: Target Builder: "Gold was an objective value, an equivalent of wealth produced."

It's amazing that people believe this shiat.

Well, I *will* say it's objectively useful in nanotech and nanoscale research. Fantastic plasmon resonance (though not as strong as silver or platinum), fairly easy to make a variety of shapes out of it (Rods and spheres *especially* are pretty easy), and, unlike silver, it doesn't farking oxidize the second you make it.

Clippers are objectively useful for cutting my toenails.


Yep! I should note that I wasn't suggesting that's why gold should be used as a currency or a thing to peg the dollar to. I'm actually really happy that the price of gold is dropping like a stone, it makes buying gold pellets for the evaporator (We've got a really clever method for making gold nanotriangles on a flat substrate) a lot cheaper, and with the sequester farking up grants for my advisor, every little bit helps.
2013-11-05 01:27:33 PM  
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Target Builder: "Gold was an objective value, an equivalent of wealth produced."

It's amazing that people believe this shiat.


Well, I *will* say it's objectively useful in nanotech and nanoscale research. Fantastic plasmon resonance (though not as strong as silver or platinum), fairly easy to make a variety of shapes out of it (Rods and spheres *especially* are pretty easy), and, unlike silver, it doesn't farking oxidize the second you make it.
2013-11-05 01:21:02 PM  
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You parasites will be sorry when me and the other Randian Superheroes finally decide to GO GALT!  How will you get by without updates to my Patriot Blog?  Who will put RON PAUL stickers all over the public infrastructure in your neighborhood?

Sorry, but we'll all be at Galt's Gulch zooming around on trains and bedding all of the attractive and sexy ladies that are really into Ayn Rand.  The kind of ladies that are turned on by a real Randian Superhero.  I'm finally gonna score.  Checkmate, libs.
2013-11-05 01:11:07 PM  
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Target Builder: It's amazing that people believe this shiat.


It is an objective value as it is a commodity.  What that value is equivalent to is where it really gets messy.
2013-11-05 01:00:16 PM  
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There are two novels that can transform a bookish 14-year-kld's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish daydream that can lead to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood in which large chunks of the day are spent inventing ways to make real life more like a fantasy novel. The other is a book about orcs.

/oblig
2013-11-05 12:56:39 PM  
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mcreadyblue: Inflation is around the corner folks.


Definatly a possibility, but not here yet.  With fiat currencies, there are things you can do to hedge or create inflation.  With a hard currency, your options are limited.
2013-11-05 12:50:26 PM  
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PC LOAD LETTER: GreenAdder: Nah, but seriously. I don't frequent the Politics tab, so I don't know what Bob you mean.

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That was my question when I read Atlas Shrugged... which of these guys is going to take out the trash?
2013-11-05 12:14:45 PM  
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The idea that the gold standard is more stable or objective is wrong.

Lols
 
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