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2013-11-05 03:40:24 PM

verbaltoxin: ricbach229: dookdookdook: Just throwing this out there, but if society's ever on the brink of collapse because the billionaire CEO of MegaPharmaPetroCorp decided to quit his job and go live on a yacht in international waters, I'll be more than happy to save the economy and step into the position myself.  Admittedly I don't have much experience in raping the economy, government, and environment of an entire country to satisfy my own personal narcissism and lust for wealth, but I'm a fast learner.

If you can be the CEO of anything bigger than a hot dog stand, WTF are you doing on here commenting snarking it up?  People with the skill sets to even manage more than teenagers mowing grass tend to be busier than you seem to be.    Someday maybe I'll have the skills you have and can run my very own whatever you founded.

/my day off just got a 3:30 mandatory meeting thrown into it, partially thanks to ACA. Going Galt sounds better and better.

Libertarianism: when a bunch of Western-born, raised and educated folk read the rants of a Communist defector, compare their first world problems to it, and make a philosophy out of it.


As opposed to?
 
2013-11-05 03:46:13 PM
So...

I haven't read Atlas Shrugged so could be waaaay off.

I understand the premise is that the worlds wealthy - the leaders of industry and the like - all decide to bugger off and basically leave everyone else wallowing in self pity because the factories all closed and they're all unemployed...

I assume the factories had some level of mid-management who knew how the whole place operated, an accounts guy who knew where the various orders would go, foremen who knew what the workers were supposed to do and workers who knew how to operate the machines.

When Mr. Industrialist vanishes to his mountain hideout leaving the factory all locked up - isn't that a problem everyone else who worked there could have solved with a pair of bolt cutters?
 
2013-11-05 03:46:44 PM

NateAsbestos: Tricky Chicken: sabreWulf07: Tricky Chicken:
Actually, it was pure gold and not money. I was being snarky and silly.  Mostly I wanted to point out that she ended the book by addressing exactly what Bob the Angry Flower was going off about. Of course everything worked perfectly in her utopian epilogue.  However, by the time anybody ever got to that part of the book, they were hardly in any condition to retain anything they were reading.  The book was so long and desperately in need of an editor, that people nearing the end were about as delirious as a marathon runner nearing the finish line.  You didn't care about what you were reading anymore, it was just a personal challenge to finish.

Holy shiat, that's a perfect synopsis of how I felt getting to the end of The Fountainhead.

I don't know why but I started trying to read Atlas Shrugged too... only to realize I was reading the same book with BONUS FILLER.

I was a dumb teen, at least I grew out of it.

/Being a teen, that is
//Randianism is stupid as all hell


Toward the middle of the book, I started saying 'I get it Rand, move on.'  Almost the whole last quarter of the book, I was nearly shouting.

I get it, people work toward their own self interests.  I can buy into that. Some selfishness is needed, I can buy into that too.

But if you take her own philosophy further, you will see that not only are ideas resources, but people are resources too. And you need to develop both.  Iron ore is inherently of little value until you refine it.  An un-educated or un-trained person is a drain until you develop them. Then you need to understand the bell curve ans standard distribution.  You need to develop the whole population to the point that they are more valuable than draining.  Sure there will always be a population to the far left of the curve, but that is unavoidable.  Especially if you cherish the individuals on the right extreme.
 
2013-11-05 03:49:38 PM
whining rotters who never rouse themselves to any effort, who do not possess the ability of a filing clerk, but demand the income of a company president, who drift from failure to failure and expect you to pay their bills

Gee, that sounds like most Republican Congressmen, and many of the supposed business titans of our day !
 
2013-11-05 03:50:44 PM

Target Builder: So...

I haven't read Atlas Shrugged so could be waaaay off.

I understand the premise is that the worlds wealthy - the leaders of industry and the like - all decide to bugger off and basically leave everyone else wallowing in self pity because the factories all closed and they're all unemployed...

I assume the factories had some level of mid-management who knew how the whole place operated, an accounts guy who knew where the various orders would go, foremen who knew what the workers were supposed to do and workers who knew how to operate the machines.

When Mr. Industrialist vanishes to his mountain hideout leaving the factory all locked up - isn't that a problem everyone else who worked there could have solved with a pair of bolt cutters?


Well, I think the MAIN industriliast, John Galt (CAPITALIST HERO), had managed to create some sort of magical alloy called "Rearden metal" that.. was.. really important, or something. But he kept it a closely guarded secret as to how it was made! Because he was somehow able to make *massive quantities* of the stuff without anyoen else being able to figure it out! So when he left society, society crumbled and stuff.

... I think. I admit I haven't read it either.
 
2013-11-05 04:00:08 PM
"The current actions of the Federal Reserve, many of them only possible in the absence of the gold standard, helped save the country from economic collapse and support the economy as it continues to grow."


bullshiat !    banks leveraged deposits 30 to 1 and gambled on derivatives.  they lost billions and their balance sheets reflected that.  the trillion from TARP only covered the gambling losses (filled the hole in their balance sheets).  very very little of it entered the economy.  the current Quantative Easing is zero % interest funds provided to the same banks for more gambling (and currency wars vs all who are trying to break out of the petro dollar system).  this is all racking up as US debt, owed to the owners of the same banks we are bailing out.  and it's not repayable.  they will take assets as payment. (Romney is a professional liquidator.. and if he'd won, it would already been underway).   obama won, and so we got more NASDAQ (Chicago) gambling instead... which allows them to gamble more, and increase our debt.  leading to an even bigger asset seizure.   welcome to the third world.
 
2013-11-05 04:07:09 PM

Felgraf: Target Builder: So...

I haven't read Atlas Shrugged so could be waaaay off.

I understand the premise is that the worlds wealthy - the leaders of industry and the like - all decide to bugger off and basically leave everyone else wallowing in self pity because the factories all closed and they're all unemployed...

I assume the factories had some level of mid-management who knew how the whole place operated, an accounts guy who knew where the various orders would go, foremen who knew what the workers were supposed to do and workers who knew how to operate the machines.

When Mr. Industrialist vanishes to his mountain hideout leaving the factory all locked up - isn't that a problem everyone else who worked there could have solved with a pair of bolt cutters?

Well, I think the MAIN industriliast, John Galt (CAPITALIST HERO), had managed to create some sort of magical alloy called "Rearden metal" that.. was.. really important, or something. But he kept it a closely guarded secret as to how it was made! Because he was somehow able to make *massive quantities* of the stuff without anyoen else being able to figure it out! So when he left society, society crumbled and stuff.

... I think. I admit I haven't read it either.


It is a mental masterbation fantasy similar to people that advocate the removal of management class and give control of the factories to the workers.  Sure the guy that works down on the line torquing lugnuts will be able to work a finance deal to float the company through the next economic downturn.

People want to believe they are a special little snowflake.
 
2013-11-05 04:07:09 PM

mcmnky: Is the author of the article stupid or a troll?

There may be some good points in there, bit the misrepresentations of Atlas Shrugged are so egregious I couldn't tell.


I live never read it but am now intrigued. Sounds like some of the characters make quotes about the leeches of society that seem to hit a bit close to home for some of the usual suspects around here.

Is it worthwhile to read? I've always assumed it was boring.
 
2013-11-05 04:10:10 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: mcmnky: Is the author of the article stupid or a troll?

There may be some good points in there, bit the misrepresentations of Atlas Shrugged are so egregious I couldn't tell.

I live never read it but am now intrigued. Sounds like some of the characters make quotes about the leeches of society that seem to hit a bit close to home for some of the usual suspects around here.

Is it worthwhile to read? I've always assumed it was boring.


Save your time and instead visit Somalia so you can Randian philosophy in full swing.
 
2013-11-05 04:13:54 PM
What always cracks me up about those who love Atlas Shrugged is they usually don't understand that John Galt is a communist agitator. John Galt owned nothing, he was labor for hire. Taggart, d'Anconia, and Reardon these were owners, producers of wealth and John Galt convinced them to give up their wealth, to roll over and surrender to the state.

John Galt forms a commune in the mountains, sure they pretend  to "pay" people in gold, but he rewards those who he views as more equal with more gold right from the start, just like the old USSR did. He then convinces those producers to move there, getting them to imprison themselves in their own gulag without ever realizing that they are their own prisoners.

His tactics of work stoppage, slow down, obstruction and out right striking those are labor tactics not owner tactics. Going Galt is a communist solution to capitalist oppression, not a capitalist solution to communist oppression. It is truly a brilliant piece of communist propaganda that idiot class does not even realize is commie propaganda, but all of Rand's works are like this. She was a brilliant communist agitator.
 
2013-11-05 04:15:04 PM

Rapmaster2000: You parasites will be sorry when me and the other Randian Superheroes finally decide to GO GALT!  How will you get by without updates to my Patriot Blog?  Who will put RON PAUL stickers all over the public infrastructure in your neighborhood?

Sorry, but we'll all be at Galt's Gulch zooming around on trains and bedding all of the attractive and sexy ladies that are really into Ayn Rand.  The kind of ladies that are turned on by a real Randian Superhero.  I'm finally gonna score.  Checkmate, libs.


Go ahead, go off to a prison where you don't even know you are a prisoner and are your own guard.
 
2013-11-05 04:15:41 PM

mcreadyblue: Debeo Summa Credo: mcmnky: Is the author of the article stupid or a troll?

There may be some good points in there, bit the misrepresentations of Atlas Shrugged are so egregious I couldn't tell.

I live never read it but am now intrigued. Sounds like some of the characters make quotes about the leeches of society that seem to hit a bit close to home for some of the usual suspects around here.

Is it worthwhile to read? I've always assumed it was boring.

Save your time and instead visit Somalia so you can Randian philosophy in full swing.


whatever.

Have you read it? Is it any good or does it only get attention because its a libertarian favorite?
 
2013-11-05 04:21:07 PM

Target Builder: So...

I haven't read Atlas Shrugged so could be waaaay off.

I understand the premise is that the worlds wealthy - the leaders of industry and the like - all decide to bugger off and basically leave everyone else wallowing in self pity because the factories all closed and they're all unemployed...

I assume the factories had some level of mid-management who knew how the whole place operated, an accounts guy who knew where the various orders would go, foremen who knew what the workers were supposed to do and workers who knew how to operate the machines.

When Mr. Industrialist vanishes to his mountain hideout leaving the factory all locked up - isn't that a problem everyone else who worked there could have solved with a pair of bolt cutters?


Not quite. They bugger off to some hidden mountain commune, but only after the government comes in and takes over their factories and companies. Because the government takes over those businesses fail. Bridges collapse, factories blow up, etc.., etc...

Meanwhile Mr. 1% is off happy as a big in their little mountain commune where they and their fellow creators can invent, produce, and profit off anything they can build or dream up and never ever would think about cheating one another, enslaving all the women, or shooting their neighbor just because he has a nicer house. Nope, they would all live happily in commune land without a government.
 
2013-11-05 04:21:14 PM

Slaves2Darkness: His tactics of work stoppage, slow down, obstruction and out right striking those are labor tactics not owner tactics. Going Galt is a communist solution to capitalist oppression, not a capitalist solution to communist oppression. It is truly a brilliant piece of communist propaganda that idiot class does not even realize is commie propaganda, but all of Rand's works are like this. She was a brilliant communist agitator.


I disagree he was a capitalist that cooped labor methods to fight an authoritarian state.
 
2013-11-05 04:25:06 PM

Slaves2Darkness: Target Builder: So...

I haven't read Atlas Shrugged so could be waaaay off.

I understand the premise is that the worlds wealthy - the leaders of industry and the like - all decide to bugger off and basically leave everyone else wallowing in self pity because the factories all closed and they're all unemployed...

I assume the factories had some level of mid-management who knew how the whole place operated, an accounts guy who knew where the various orders would go, foremen who knew what the workers were supposed to do and workers who knew how to operate the machines.

When Mr. Industrialist vanishes to his mountain hideout leaving the factory all locked up - isn't that a problem everyone else who worked there could have solved with a pair of bolt cutters?

Not quite. They bugger off to some hidden mountain commune, but only after the government comes in and takes over their factories and companies. Because the government takes over those businesses fail. Bridges collapse, factories blow up, etc.., etc...

Meanwhile Mr. 1% is off happy as a big in their little mountain commune where they and their fellow creators can invent, produce, and profit off anything they can build or dream up and never ever would think about cheating one another, enslaving all the women, or shooting their neighbor just because he has a nicer house. Nope, they would all live happily in commune land without a government.


Enslaving women and shooting people in the face is such a 99% thing to do.
 
2013-11-05 04:28:33 PM

Slaves2Darkness: What always cracks me up about those who love Atlas Shrugged is they usually don't understand that John Galt is a communist agitator. John Galt owned nothing, he was labor for hire. Taggart, d'Anconia, and Reardon these were owners, producers of wealth and John Galt convinced them to give up their wealth, to roll over and surrender to the state.

John Galt forms a commune in the mountains, sure they pretend  to "pay" people in gold, but he rewards those who he views as more equal with more gold right from the start, just like the old USSR did. He then convinces those producers to move there, getting them to imprison themselves in their own gulag without ever realizing that they are their own prisoners.

His tactics of work stoppage, slow down, obstruction and out right striking those are labor tactics not owner tactics. Going Galt is a communist solution to capitalist oppression, not a capitalist solution to communist oppression. It is truly a brilliant piece of communist propaganda that idiot class does not even realize is commie propaganda, but all of Rand's works are like this. She was a brilliant communist agitator.


And it's all written in a style that can best be described as second  third-rate socialist realism.
 
2013-11-05 04:29:14 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: mcmnky: Is the author of the article stupid or a troll?

There may be some good points in there, bit the misrepresentations of Atlas Shrugged are so egregious I couldn't tell.

I live never read it but am now intrigued. Sounds like some of the characters make quotes about the leeches of society that seem to hit a bit close to home for some of the usual suspects around here.

Is it worthwhile to read? I've always assumed it was boring.


I liked it, but it is long-winded. Start with The Fountainhead. It's shorter and better written.

One thing you'll find if you read Atlas is any article linked to from Fark about or quoting the book was written by someone who either didn't read the book or didn't understand what they read.

Not all rich people and CEOs in the book are heroes, not all poor people and government employees are villains.

Rand is rarely subtle, but there is some nuance to get writing.
 
2013-11-05 04:33:37 PM

mcmnky: Debeo Summa Credo: mcmnky: Is the author of the article stupid or a troll?

There may be some good points in there, bit the misrepresentations of Atlas Shrugged are so egregious I couldn't tell.

I live never read it but am now intrigued. Sounds like some of the characters make quotes about the leeches of society that seem to hit a bit close to home for some of the usual suspects around here.

Is it worthwhile to read? I've always assumed it was boring.

I liked it, but it is long-winded. Start with The Fountainhead. It's shorter and better written.

One thing you'll find if you read Atlas is any article linked to from Fark about or quoting the book was written by someone who either didn't read the book or didn't understand what they read.

Not all rich people and CEOs in the book are heroes, not all poor people and government employees are villains.

Rand is rarely subtle, but there is some nuance to get writing.


Okay, thanks.
 
2013-11-05 04:33:51 PM

Slaves2Darkness: Meanwhile Mr. 1% is off happy as a big in their little mountain commune where they and their fellow creators can invent, produce, and profit off anything they can build or dream up and never ever would think about cheating one another, enslaving all the women, or shooting their neighbor just because he has a nicer house. Nope, they would all live happily in commune land without a government.


That reminds me, I wonder how that "Citadel"/Waco Redux thing's been going.  Did they ever get enough patriotsrubes lined up so they can fund their little walled-off gun cult in Utah?
 
2013-11-05 04:36:24 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: mcreadyblue: Debeo Summa Credo: mcmnky: Is the author of the article stupid or a troll?

There may be some good points in there, bit the misrepresentations of Atlas Shrugged are so egregious I couldn't tell.

I live never read it but am now intrigued. Sounds like some of the characters make quotes about the leeches of society that seem to hit a bit close to home for some of the usual suspects around here.

Is it worthwhile to read? I've always assumed it was boring.

Save your time and instead visit Somalia so you can Randian philosophy in full swing.

whatever.

Have you read it? Is it any good or does it only get attention because its a libertarian favorite?


Its a verrrry hard read.
 
2013-11-05 04:43:20 PM

Saiga410: Slaves2Darkness: His tactics of work stoppage, slow down, obstruction and out right striking those are labor tactics not owner tactics. Going Galt is a communist solution to capitalist oppression, not a capitalist solution to communist oppression. It is truly a brilliant piece of communist propaganda that idiot class does not even realize is commie propaganda, but all of Rand's works are like this. She was a brilliant communist agitator.

I disagree he was a capitalist that cooped labor methods to fight an authoritarian state.


Wasn't he an employee at a company who was being paid to develop a new motor but then stopped working when the company wouldn't cut him in on a better share of the product of his labor?
 
2013-11-05 04:51:58 PM
Sometimes they come back.
 
2013-11-05 04:56:59 PM

Target Builder: I understand the premise is that the worlds wealthy - the leaders of industry and the like - all decide to bugger off and basically leave everyone else wallowing in self pity because the factories all closed and they're all unemployed...

I assume the factories had some level of mid-management who knew how the whole place operated, an accounts guy who knew where the various orders would go, foremen who knew what the workers were supposed to do and workers who knew how to operate the machines.


 There's no middle-management in the book, or really anyone who is moderately competent.  There's just the producers and takers.  If you're not a producer, then you're a moocher.  "Who is John Galt?" is the oft-repeated saying the characters morosely ask each other as the world falls apart around them because a tiny select few individuals have disappeared and everyone is completely baffled as to how to replace them and fill the sucking vacuums they leave in their respective markets.

 There is just no one left to step up and do their important jobs of telling others what to do.  Seriously, the entire remaining population shrugs their shoulders helplessly.  Dagny is surrounded by dullards who are unqualified to play Pocket Trains, much less develop trans-continental train schedules.  There are no assistants, there are no other executives and there are never any interim CEOs, acting managers or temporary leadership promotions.

 Everyone just gives up as twilight descends on humanity and they learn the terrible secret that all of western civilization was propped up by a dozen people.
 
2013-11-05 04:57:08 PM

dookdookdook: Slaves2Darkness: Meanwhile Mr. 1% is off happy as a big in their little mountain commune where they and their fellow creators can invent, produce, and profit off anything they can build or dream up and never ever would think about cheating one another, enslaving all the women, or shooting their neighbor just because he has a nicer house. Nope, they would all live happily in commune land without a government.

That reminds me, I wonder how that "Citadel"/Waco Redux thing's been going.  Did they ever get enough patriotsrubes lined up so they can fund their little walled-off gun cult in Utah?


I think it's supposed to be up here in Idaho, but I haven't heard anything about it in months.
 
2013-11-05 04:57:34 PM

Smeggy Smurf: SomeoneDumb: mcreadyblue: Article list me when it dissed the gold standard and praised Ben Bernake.

Inflation is around the corner folks.

Good. That would have a better impact on our debt than any GOP austerity program.

You must have nothing in the bank and thus nothing to lose.


Sometimes it's not about me but more about my country.
 
2013-11-05 04:58:25 PM

Target Builder: So...

I haven't read Atlas Shrugged so could be waaaay off.

I understand the premise is that the worlds wealthy - the leaders of industry and the like - all decide to bugger off and basically leave everyone else wallowing in self pity because the factories all closed and they're all unemployed...

I assume the factories had some level of mid-management who knew how the whole place operated, an accounts guy who knew where the various orders would go, foremen who knew what the workers were supposed to do and workers who knew how to operate the machines.

When Mr. Industrialist vanishes to his mountain hideout leaving the factory all locked up - isn't that a problem everyone else who worked there could have solved with a pair of bolt cutters?


And that's completely true.  Venezuela doesn't have any toilet paper shortages at all because that's exactly what happened.  The middle managers moved in and things keep running without a hitch.
 
2013-11-05 04:59:05 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: Have you read it? Is it any good or does it only get attention because its a libertarian favorite?


It's a pretty dreary, boring read because Rand seemed to be more concerned about getting her philosophy across than actually writing a decent story.

I think  Anthem is a much better Rand book and it's very short, too.
 
2013-11-05 05:00:15 PM

gunslinger_RG: they proceeded to live a hedonist lifestyle that would have made Nero blush.


Do you know how I know you've read about zero Roman history?
 
2013-11-05 05:25:09 PM

K.B.O. Winston: The Gentleman Caller: When the time to go galt arrives, I will have my money invested in what's most important: toilet paper.

Are you reading 'The Last Policeman' series?  Guy tries to solve crimes during the chaos of what may, in fact, be the end of days.

One involves a man who basically stole an Office Depot.  Toilet paper, soap, modified staple guns to use as weapons, and giant plastic containers of cheese puffs and Twizzlers as far as the eye can see.


There's a new one out? BRB, heading to Amazon to pick it up on Kindle.
 
2013-11-05 05:25:56 PM
In other news taking seriously a fantasy novel written by a sociopath is a stupid idea.
 
2013-11-05 05:27:54 PM

Tricky Chicken: But if you take her own philosophy further, you will see that not only are ideas resources, but people are resources too. And you need to develop both.  Iron ore is inherently of little value until you refine it.  An un-educated or un-trained person is a drain until you develop them. Then you need to understand the bell curve ans standard distribution.  You need to develop the whole population to the point that they are more valuable than draining.  Sure there will always be a population to the far left of the curve, but that is unavoidable.  Especially if you cherish the individuals on the right extreme.


Well of course, but that implies you consider other people to be more than a blight on your enjoyment of the planet. I get the impression Rand herself was very antisocial, just from reading The Fountainhead. I interpreted her love of Rourke(or Galt) types more as relief that they weren't problems, unlike those Takers. I always thought she just wanted to be alone on the planet.

But I'm no English major *shrug*
 
2013-11-05 05:29:48 PM

Fart_Machine: In other news taking seriously a fantasy novel written by a sociopath is a stupid idea.


Yes, but why bring scientology in to the discussion?
 
2013-11-05 05:35:01 PM

mcmnky: Fart_Machine: In other news taking seriously a fantasy novel written by a sociopath is a stupid idea.

Yes, but why bring scientology in to the discussion?


Yup, Objectivism and Scientology are both cults.  Glad we agree.
 
2013-11-05 05:48:06 PM
Gold makes lousy money. But it can be a store of perceived value due to rarity. But it's not as valuable as a pipeline, or a nice corner property in a city. Sure, inflation makes the money you have not worth what it was 20 years ago, but instead of just sitting on your store of wealth you invested it somewhere boring, maybe sold options on it over the years.

The Spanish conquistadors were big on bringing back gold, where they could distort the economy by buying everything they wanted. The French and English were lucky, they found trade instead of gold. There was more stuff to buy with the same amount of money, which by the time of Newton was already going off precious metals.
 
2013-11-05 05:52:08 PM
FTA: "Miss Taggart, do you know the hallmark of the second-rater? It's resentment of another man's achievement. Those touchy mediocrities who sit trembling lest someone's work prove greater than their own - they have no inkling of the loneliness that comes when you reach the top. The loneliness for an equal - for a mind to respect and an achievement to admire. They bare their teeth at you from out of their rat holes, thinking that you take pleasure in letting your brilliance dim them - while you'd give a year of your life to see a flicker of talent anywhere among them. They envy achievement, and their dream of greatness is a world where all men have become their acknowledged inferiors. They don't know that that dream is the infallible proof of mediocrity, because that sort of world is what the man of achievement would not be able to bear."


Holy crap, this is what they actually believe? It's like a manual for douchebagginess.
 
2013-11-05 06:09:30 PM

mcreadyblue: Inflation is around the corner folks.


How long has it been just around the corner?
 
2013-11-05 06:28:30 PM

flondrix: mcreadyblue: Inflation is around the corner folks.

How long has it been just around the corner?


Since the gas station put in that air pump.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-11-05 06:33:22 PM
So... taking business advice from a book written by sociopath is a bad idea.

Whoddathunkit?
 
2013-11-05 06:37:36 PM
The books I have for my two year old are more believable. Plus they teach how to act like a good person, not a retarded idiot.
 
2013-11-05 06:42:16 PM

trotsky: The books I have for my two year old are more believable. Plus they teach how to act like a good person, not a retarded idiot.


What sort of books do objectivists give their kids?  I know of at least one objectivist YA novel (The Girl who Owned a City) but I have no idea what they give little kids to read.  I'll bet someone has tried to write one...and I can't help but remember Rush Limbaugh's attempt at kidlit.
 
2013-11-05 06:46:41 PM

FarkedOver: ricbach229: Going Galt sounds better and better.

Going full on French Revolution sounds better and better.  Can't wait to hold your head up to the crowd.


www.biography.com

Please, proceed.
 
2013-11-05 07:00:27 PM

The_Gallant_Gallstone: JohnBigBootay: It never occurred to me for a second that the ideas in those books made a goddam bit of sense as some kind of political system that someone should actually try.

So... it never occurred to you while reading Galt's 41+ page radio address monologue that you might be reading some sort of political manifesto masquerading as a novel?


It occurred to me that ayn rand was off her rocker, yes. But it did not occur to me that almost thirty years later some nutjobs would think those ideas might lead to superior form of government and try to institute those ideals.
 
2013-11-05 07:00:32 PM
Too soon/late to discuss Ms. Rand's excursion into the depths of social dependance due to her health issues she caused? Hmmmmmmmmmm?

/just stirrin' the puddin'
 
2013-11-05 07:09:18 PM

Weaver95: I find ayn rand republicans to be a fascinating contradiction. Especially when they claim to be good Christians at the same time. It's like meeting a gay Jewish black man who wants to join the KKK. you just don't know how to to break it too them that they're seriously misinformed about their position in life.

 
2013-11-05 07:15:27 PM

flondrix: trotsky: The books I have for my two year old are more believable. Plus they teach how to act like a good person, not a retarded idiot.

What sort of books do objectivists give their kids?  I know of at least one objectivist YA novel (The Girl who Owned a City) but I have no idea what they give little kids to read.  I'll bet someone has tried to write one...and I can't help but remember Rush Limbaugh's attempt at kidlit.


Probably shiat like My Little Pony because I imagine all LOLibertarians to be disgusting Brony dweebs too.
 
2013-11-05 07:16:13 PM
atlas shrugged is basically fan fiction
 
2013-11-05 07:23:07 PM

yelmrog: Debeo Summa Credo: Have you read it? Is it any good or does it only get attention because its a libertarian favorite?

It's a pretty dreary, boring read because Rand seemed to be more concerned about getting her philosophy across than actually writing a decent story.

I think  Anthem is a much better Rand book and it's very short, too.


Is it better or worse than say, Upton Sinclair novels? They all (the 3 ive read) start out pretty good but then get lost in socialist/communist cheerleading that distracts from the story. They aren't that long though and are easy reads.

Not looking for a long dreary read. Based on your and other comments I might continue to pass on Rand.
 
2013-11-05 07:36:15 PM

Rapmaster2000: Sorry, but we'll all be at Galt's Gulch zooming around on trains and bedding raping all of the attractive and sexy ladies that are really into Ayn Rand.


FTFY.

Seriously, Rand had a creepy rapey thing going on in her novels.  Don't know if it was wishful thinking. . .
 
2013-11-05 08:04:37 PM
I look forward to McDonald's coming out with its 22mgAu value menus

/assayer's fees not included
 
2013-11-05 08:16:36 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: Not looking for a long dreary read


...Yeah, you might wanna skip Atlas Shrugged. I doubt even its most ardent supporter could claim it isn't a struggle in places. Plus, it's very easy to sum up:

Rich people: not just good; so good they're solely responsible for everything good in society.
Poor people who worship rich people: good, although not good enough to get a happy ending.
Everyone else: eviler than Hitler and Stalin 69'ing. So evil the world explodes in like a day once they drive off the couple hundred or so really rich people.

I honestly can't get too upset about it. Ayn Rand's family lost everything when the communists took over, it's quite obvious that that drove her to construct a philosophy that was as anti-communist as possible. The fact that modern-day libertarians buy into it is pretty bizarre, though.
 
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