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(The Daily Caller)   The Liar in Chief suddenly doesn't recall saying you can keep your health-care plan. Fark: 29 times. Double-down: Videotaped   (dailycaller.com) divider line 73
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2013-11-05 10:44:52 AM  
9 votes:

Elegy: FTFA:He did confess that he and his aides may have made some mistakes, such as failing to manage the development of the Obamacare website.

"We got [Obamacare] done. Now, let's face it, a lot of us didn't realize that passing the law was the easy part."

LOLWUT? What the fark did you think would happen - you'd pass the law and the magical fairies of liberalism would take care of everything else?


Yep, the conservative plan of doing nothing was so much better. Letting people die because they can't afford to go to the doctor is the "Murican way.
2013-11-05 10:37:07 AM  
9 votes:
Funny thing is, most of these people whose insurance has been canceled didn't have health insurance worth a flying f*ck to begin with.
2013-11-05 11:03:49 AM  
8 votes:

bdub77: Here's what it comes down to. Did Obama lie? Yes. Should he admit he lied? Yes.


he made a substantially true statement

if you liked the insurance you had in 2009, you could indeed keep regardless of whether it was compliant with the ACA

unless of course your insurance company made major changes to the policy, in which case guess what it's not the same policy that you liked in the first place
2013-11-05 11:04:16 AM  
5 votes:
the fascinating point here is how upset people are that a promise that the government won't take your health insurance plan away from you doesn't extend to insurance companies choosing of their own volition to discontinue people's plans
2013-11-05 11:05:09 AM  
4 votes:
The party that cheerleaded the Iraq War even as it became apparent that Bush had lied and manipulated intelligence to sell it so he could send thousand to their deaths can go fark themselves.
2013-11-05 11:19:53 AM  
3 votes:

djkutch: Who the fark are you to not hold individuals to a basic level of personal responsibility?


Like letting them make their own decisions and living with the consequences?
2013-11-05 11:10:20 AM  
3 votes:

Dancin_In_Anson: swaniefrmreddeer: Funny thing is, most of these people whose insurance has been canceled didn't have health insurance worth a flying f*ck to begin with.

Who the fark are you to determine what's best for someone you don't even farking know?


yeah like what do you know math or something swaniefrmreddeer

i mean who are YOU to say that paying $54/month for $50 in coverage is not financially sound

who are YOU to say that those people are not meaningfully different than the uninsured, forcing significant financial burdens on the rest of the economy by creating costs that must be paid by others

if someone WANTS to leech off society, getting unearned benefits while also being scammed by an insurance company, that's what patriots like sam adams and jim beam died for

who ARE you
2013-11-05 11:06:47 AM  
3 votes:

swaniefrmreddeer: Funny thing is, most of these people whose insurance has been canceled didn't have health insurance worth a flying f*ck to begin with.


Who the fark are you to determine what's best for someone you don't even farking know?

And then make them pay for it.
2013-11-05 10:58:19 AM  
3 votes:
Here's what it comes down to. Did Obama lie? Yes. Should he admit he lied? Yes.

BUT. The vast majority of Americans do get to keep their health insurance through their employer. Another good percentage of those that buy their own health insurance also get to keep their health insurance. And the ones who don't get to keep their health insurance have better coverage because the other plans didn't meet basic requirements.
2013-11-05 10:51:18 AM  
3 votes:
Yeah, so this is the new Benghazi, isn't it?

In that it's another "MPEACH THE LIAR IN CHIEF!!111!!" scandal-du-jour that Republican talk radio and only Republican talk radio will scream incessantly about for about 2 months before realizing it isn't sticking and then promptly drop into the memory hole in favor of a new one?
2013-11-05 12:29:22 PM  
2 votes:

Tyee: Bloody William:

Maybe the death panel is over the top,.. so far.

The rest is accurate, it was a total bait and switch sales job.
If you aren't able to admit you were sold a bunch of shiat that Obamacare won't deliver you're incapable of objective thought and sight.


Nope, the ACA is exactly what I believed it would be: a mild form of health insurance regulation.

"If you like your existing plan, you can keep it" is an accurate statement in terms of what the ACA requires insurers and the insured to do.  Nothing in the ACA forces insurers to cancel policies, they make that decision all on their own.  But instead of being mad at insurers who have been screwing them for years, people are instead mad at Obama.
2013-11-05 12:27:54 PM  
2 votes:

Dancin_In_Anson: Serious Black: The alternative would be if somebody shows up to the hospital suffering from a heart attack, the doctors should do a wallet biopsy and figure out if his insurance covers emergency cardiology care before they pump him full of anticoagulants.

I'll ask you again: Dancin_In_Anson: Who the fark are you to determine what's best for someone you don't even farking know?

And then make them pay for it.


The majority of the people in the society we live in have decided that.

Its the same people who say that people who ride motorcycles have to wear helmets, and people in cars have to wear seat belts.

We have made a societal judgment that the loss of freedom to go beltless/helmetless is greatly outweighed by the cost to society for the lifetime of care required if that stupidity isn't lethal.
2013-11-05 12:15:21 PM  
2 votes:

ferretman: Jackson Herring: Seriously, just for a second escape your echo chamber and ask yourself how you'd react if the insurance companies had made these promises directly to consumers, and then revealed that they knew that for 5-10% of people, it was simply untrue.

and here is the big lie again

in reality, if you had a plan prior to 2010 that you liked, it was and still is grandfathered in even if it doesn't meet the standards of the ACA

the government has no control over whether your shiatty insurance company changed your farking plan so that it could no longer be grandfathered in

But due to the ACA, the insurance companies had no choice but to change their plans...leading to people being dropped from insurance.

This is all due to the implementation of Obamacare.


Yeah, this is just flatly, objectively untrue.

The ACA contained specific provisions allowing these plans to stay I'm place. What changed is that it was now harder to rescind insurance If a customer ever actually needed coverage. By discontinuing these plans, the insurance companies were basically admitting that they were nit actually set up to provide any actual coverage.
2013-11-05 11:52:12 AM  
2 votes:

Dancin_In_Anson: swaniefrmreddeer: Funny thing is, most of these people whose insurance has been canceled didn't have health insurance worth a flying f*ck to begin with.

Who the fark are you to determine what's best for someone you don't even farking know?

And then make them pay for it.


Because one of the great "examples" they used of someone who got cancelled had a plan as follows:

$54/month premium.

For that $54/month, she got:

$50 towards a doctor's visit. No, not a copay, no not a reduction to $50 on her part. No, not a negotiated price. They paid $50, which probably about covers a well visit. Nothing else. Anything more, she loses money.

$15 towards a prescription. No, not a $15 'script, just $15 towards what could easily be a $50 fill.

$50 towards a hospital visit, IF it was a visit related to "complications" from pregnancy.

Mammograms and a few cancer screenings.

IN other words, it doesn't matter "who you are", it's pretty easy to determine that any "insurance" that will leave you owing thousands while covering $50 and costing you $648/year isn't "insurance". You aren't insuring against ANYTHING, so it isn't insurance by definition.

Keep in mind, this was one of the "poster boy" cases the antis drug out.
2013-11-05 11:41:01 AM  
2 votes:

HeadLever: Kuroshin: The insurance companies chose to eliminate legacy policies for their own reasons.

Yeah, like they don't comply to all the requirements of the ACA.  Hence they need to be cancelled and replaced with something else.

My awesome policy was replaced with a middle of the road policy for $60/mo more.


That is a lie.

Those plans were grandfathered in.  If your insurance company wished to continue offering it to you, they could have.

Your insurance company chose not to.  That isn't the fault of the FedGov, the ACA, or Obama.  He did not lie.
2013-11-05 11:19:51 AM  
2 votes:
Does anyone else find the Fark Politics tab most enjoyable when the Obama faithful are faced with making excuses for "their guy"?

So efficiently ruthless in cutting down the other guys, but when it's the home team, completely different story.

"Yeah, well doesn't matter...'cause those existing plans were crap anyway!"

"The author of that article and/or the organization that published it aren't credible!"

"At least we had a plan!"

So, so sweet.
2013-11-05 11:15:00 AM  
2 votes:

Dancin_In_Anson: Dancin_In_Anson: Who the fark are you to determine what's best for someone you don't even farking know?

And then make them pay for it.


"who" being the people of America who elected the people who made the laws and then re-elected them.
2013-11-05 11:10:45 AM  
2 votes:

swaniefrmreddeer: Funny thing is, most of these people whose insurance has been canceled didn't have health insurance worth a flying f*ck to begin with.



Funnier is many of them are the same people who aren't so outraged about the lie that got us into a decade long war.
2013-11-05 11:10:11 AM  
2 votes:

bdub77: Here's what it comes down to. Did Obama lie? Yes. Should he admit he lied? Yes.


I don't believe Obama specifically lied about this--as in, "tee hee hee, imma pull the wool over EVERYONE'S eyes".  I just don't think he had the foresight to see the consequences of (a) the DHHS changing certain requirements for insurance plans and (b) the insurance companies having shiatty plans to begin with.  Again, this is one of those instances where his advisers could've done a better job of keeping him up to speed.

Now, should he own up to it, whether a lie, a miscalculation, or whatever?  Sure.  He's the captain of the ship.  He's ultimately responsible.  He needs to explain WHY people aren't able to keep their shiatty insurance, and WHY what he said in the past is no longer (or maybe never was) valid.  Won't make *me* think any less of him.  And maybe it'll take some of the spin on this story and turn it into something useful.
2013-11-05 11:05:21 AM  
2 votes:
So Barack Obama should have said "For 97% of Americans, if you like your insurance plan, you can keep it." Got it. Nobody will ever ignore that qualifying clause at the front of the sentence. I mean, nobody ever forgets that Ronald Reagan said "In this present crisis, government is not the solution to the problem; government is the problem."
2013-11-05 11:03:44 AM  
2 votes:
a5.img.talkingpointsmemo.com
2013-11-05 10:46:29 AM  
2 votes:
By Neil Munroe, White House "correspondent" with the Faily Caller.

Yeah . Im not saying Obama is right, but this guy has NO business writing about anything other than how good Nilla wafers are.
2013-11-05 03:47:56 PM  
1 votes:

El Pachuco: Garet Garrett: You know what it's called when you get something by lying in order to deliberately manipulate someone else into giving it to you?

GWB's second term.


House budget "negotiations"?
2013-11-05 03:31:02 PM  
1 votes:

Garet Garrett: You know what it's called when you get something by lying in order to deliberately manipulate someone else into giving it to you?


GWB's second term.
2013-11-05 03:10:31 PM  
1 votes:
2013-11-05 03:04:46 PM  
1 votes:

PsiChick: But, as has been pointed out, he was a) assuming people  didn't like shiatty plans


this is not even true, you could keep your shiatty pre 3/2010 plan as long as it hasn't been substantially changed
2013-11-05 02:30:12 PM  
1 votes:
grumpfuff:

Posting this multiple times in every ACA thread does not make it true.

If there's any side that's a master of "Call it the opposite of what it does," that would be conservatives.

Sorta like how "No Child Left Behind" actually left a lot of children behind.


also "star wars defense"
        "healthy skies"
        "balanced budget"
        "living wage"
        "industry regulation"
2013-11-05 02:24:54 PM  
1 votes:

dehehn: Except that many of them were discontinued because they didn't meet the minimum requirements of the ACA.


this is incorrect

if you had a plan before march 2010 it is grandfathered in even if it doesn't meet the ACA requirements, unless your insurance company makes substantial changes to it
2013-11-05 01:12:24 PM  
1 votes:
You folks are incredibly adept at rationalizing away what we all now know was false.

Best of luck to you.
2013-11-05 01:07:05 PM  
1 votes:

HeartBurnKid: The Liar in Chief

And that's where I stopped reading.


better get used to it.  he lied over and over, and yesterday, he told a whopper.
2013-11-05 01:06:48 PM  
1 votes:

Mikey1969: crab66: The reality is that the only people who are losing their coverage don't have real insurance. They have absolute bare-bones disaster coverage that does basically nothing unless you are close to death.

Um, one of the policies listed on the 'Obama took my isurance!' news wasn't even that good. Paid $50 towards hospitalization and nothing more, and that was only if it was a "complication of pregnancy" Holy Fark!


but I WANT to live in a house with no roof, where the floor might give way any second, infested in rats and roaches.  why can't I live in a condemned house?
2013-11-05 12:43:19 PM  
1 votes:

Jackson Herring: Skleenar: try to get the rest of us to be angry that Obama was untruthful about one point in his stump speeches in favor of the ACA.

when you concede this point to the lying right-wing propaganda machine, you've already lost

what he said was a substantially true statement


I don't really give a shiat if I concede a point or not.  They have no standing in the outrage-olympics they are trying to gin up here.  They are liars, plain and simple.  Pardon me if I don't get into hyperventilating hysterics over them making an accusation that somebody else is lying.

I'm tired of the pretense that their outrage matters.

/sorry if that sounded a little bitter--the bitterness isn't directed at you.
2013-11-05 12:28:31 PM  
1 votes:

Dancin_In_Anson: Just as I expected, not a single one of you even bothered to look much less click on a link.

Maybe you self righteous pricks can come up with someone else to make your donation for you.


Charity's great, and it's good that you support it. However, it's foolish to assume that charity will cover all of a society's needs, or that cracks won't form. Moreover, the social safety net and efforts to share responsibility and resources for certain parts of society do not preclude the existence or usefulness of charity.
2013-11-05 12:27:48 PM  
1 votes:

Repo Man: Mikey1969: skullkrusher: Mikey1969: sprawl15: the fascinating point here is how upset people are that a promise that the government won't take your health insurance plan away from you doesn't extend to insurance companies choosing of their own volition to discontinue people's plans

Yep, this is a farking case study in goddam semantics.

Not really

Yes, really. He didn't quite phrase the shiat in a way that makes the mentally inferior happy. He didn't "lie", he didn't "twist the truth", he just phrased it in a way that lets people cream in their piss-stained panties. It's a semantic argument.

He never took anyone's insurance away.
Most of the policies canceled weren't actually "insurance" in any way.
The insurance companies have had 2 years to plan for this and change their plans accordingly.

This whole argument is being backed by a bunch of desperate morons without 2 brain cells to rub together, and it's one of the weakest arguments anyone has come up with yet.



It reminds me very much of the flap over "You didn't build that."


It shouldn't because that was a clear and obvious dishonest removal of context. This is nothing like that
2013-11-05 11:50:13 AM  
1 votes:

Mikey1969: skullkrusher: Mikey1969: sprawl15: the fascinating point here is how upset people are that a promise that the government won't take your health insurance plan away from you doesn't extend to insurance companies choosing of their own volition to discontinue people's plans

Yep, this is a farking case study in goddam semantics.

Not really

Yes, really. He didn't quite phrase the shiat in a way that makes the mentally inferior happy. He didn't "lie", he didn't "twist the truth", he just phrased it in a way that lets people cream in their piss-stained panties. It's a semantic argument.

He never took anyone's insurance away.
Most of the policies canceled weren't actually "insurance" in any way.
The insurance companies have had 2 years to plan for this and change their plans accordingly.

This whole argument is being backed by a bunch of desperate morons without 2 brain cells to rub together, and it's one of the weakest arguments anyone has come up with yet.




It reminds me very much of the flap over "You didn't build that."
2013-11-05 11:49:09 AM  
1 votes:

Mikey1969: skullkrusher: Mikey1969: sprawl15: the fascinating point here is how upset people are that a promise that the government won't take your health insurance plan away from you doesn't extend to insurance companies choosing of their own volition to discontinue people's plans

Yep, this is a farking case study in goddam semantics.

Not really

Yes, really. He didn't quite phrase the shiat in a way that makes the mentally inferior happy. He didn't "lie", he didn't "twist the truth", he just phrased it in a way that lets people cream in their piss-stained panties. It's a semantic argument.

He never took anyone's insurance away.
Most of the policies canceled weren't actually "insurance" in any way.
The insurance companies have had 2 years to plan for this and change their plans accordingly.

This whole argument is being backed by a bunch of desperate morons without 2 brain cells to rub together, and it's one of the weakest arguments anyone has come up with yet.


And now you get a pretty color and SMART tag too.
2013-11-05 11:45:00 AM  
1 votes:

Dancin_In_Anson: Madbassist1: Everytime that moron goes to the emergency room, he's making ME pay for it fark him, and fark you.

No, you have taken it upon yourself that you are responsible so go fark yourself.


that is intellectually dishonest and you know it, asshole. You can sign papers till you're blue in the face SAYING you'll pay, but you arent paying. You know this. fark you, you lying piece of shiat.
2013-11-05 11:44:02 AM  
1 votes:

Dancin_In_Anson: sprawl15: so is this you on record saying you want uninsured/underinsured people to just go off somewhere and die

Nope.


Dancin_In_Anson: Aldon: If the taxpayer is going to pay for healtcare anyway,

Well, there's your problem.


you do know that the health care fairy is not real right

your parents were lying to you

they actually were paying the bills
2013-11-05 11:41:53 AM  
1 votes:

Dancin_In_Anson: Serious Black: The alternative would be if somebody shows up to the hospital suffering from a heart attack, the doctors should do a wallet biopsy and figure out if his insurance covers emergency cardiology care before they pump him full of anticoagulants.

I'll ask you again: Dancin_In_Anson: Who the fark are you to determine what's best for someone you don't even farking know?

And then make them pay for it.


That would have been Reagan when he signed COBRA of 1985 which included the EMTALA that madates ERs must provide care regardless of the ability to pay if it is an emergent situation.  Further it states that it is not a criminal act to go for care knowing that you do not have the ability to pay.

So there it is.  Reagan made it so that a person could get care and force somebody else to pay for it.  What a farking libby lib lib.
2013-11-05 11:41:51 AM  
1 votes:

Dancin_In_Anson: Aldon: If the taxpayer is going to pay for healtcare anyway,

Well, there's your problem.


Apparently Dancin_In_Anson supports abolishing not just ObamaCare, but CHIP, the Veterans Health Administration, TRICARE, Medicare, Medicaid, the employer-sponsored health insurance tax exclusion, the medical care expenses tax deduction, and EMTALA.
2013-11-05 11:41:31 AM  
1 votes:

pueblonative: xanadian: DROxINxTHExWIND: I don't think it was a lie, so much as it was an, "Oops, didn't see THAT coming."

Exactly.

Though I fault him more for thinking that the insurance companies would behave ethically and honestly rather than trying to rape their customers one last more time.  Also he couldn't have predicted the Supreme Court saying the states don't have to expand their Medicare.


Umm his administration wrote the regulations that are causing the policies to be cancelled
2013-11-05 11:38:43 AM  
1 votes:

sprawl15: so is this you on record saying you want uninsured/underinsured people to just go off somewhere and die


Nope. Try again, slugger.

ManateeGag: since you put it that way, who are you to tell a woman that she needs to have a medical procedure before having a different medical procedure?


I don't have any say in what kind of procedure anyone should have done and I think the laws to which you refer that have been put into place are complete and total bullshiat.

ManateeGag: you mean like when it comes to abortion and birth control?


Yep. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.

Aldon: If the taxpayer is going to pay for healtcare anyway,


Well, there's your problem.
2013-11-05 11:36:43 AM  
1 votes:

Mikey1969: sprawl15: the fascinating point here is how upset people are that a promise that the government won't take your health insurance plan away from you doesn't extend to insurance companies choosing of their own volition to discontinue people's plans

Yep, this is a farking case study in goddam semantics.


Not really
2013-11-05 11:35:11 AM  
1 votes:

steverockson: By the way, where was all the right-wing fauxrage when insurance companies were cancelling peoples policies arbitrarily and denying benefits for the last 70 years?


Get this - they say that was all ok because "buyer beware" and "you can take your business elsewhere if you don't like it". Questions regarding pre-existing conditions are met with a shrug and a suggestion to join a church.

It's like talking to a retard that is just smart enough to be cruel.
2013-11-05 11:31:57 AM  
1 votes:

vonster: steverockson: The party that cheerleaded the Iraq War even as it became apparent that Bush had lied and manipulated intelligence to sell it so he could send thousand to their deaths can go fark themselves.

I wondered how long it would take for the "B..B..But Bush..." to start. LOL


I realize that you delicate flowers don't like to have your hypocrisy pointed out but somebody had to do it.
2013-11-05 11:31:14 AM  
1 votes:

Dancin_In_Anson: djkutch: Who the fark are you to not hold individuals to a basic level of personal responsibility?

Like letting them make their own decisions and living with the consequences?


Except the status quo (which Republicans advocate) is that taxpayers pay for people who have shiatty insurance and can't pay their bills....


If the taxpayer is going to pay for healtcare anyway, I rather not pay for the least effective and most expensive healthcare available.
2013-11-05 11:30:39 AM  
1 votes:

Dancin_In_Anson: djkutch: Who the fark are you to not hold individuals to a basic level of personal responsibility?

Like letting them make their own decisions and living with the consequences?


you mean like when it comes to abortion and birth control?
2013-11-05 11:27:52 AM  
1 votes:

Garet Garrett: HotWingConspiracy: You lost, get over it.

You know what it's called when you get something by lying in order to deliberately manipulate someone else into giving it to you?

Seriously, just for a second escape your echo chamber and ask yourself how you'd react if the insurance companies had made these promises directly to consumers, and then revealed that they knew that for 5-10% of people, it was simply untrue.


You mean like the insurance companies do already?
2013-11-05 11:22:27 AM  
1 votes:

Dancin_In_Anson: djkutch: Who the fark are you to not hold individuals to a basic level of personal responsibility?

Like letting them make their own decisions and living with the consequences?


They can still make their own decisions. They cannot decide to purchase things that aren't offered, though. That's not how reality works.
2013-11-05 11:21:48 AM  
1 votes:

Elegy: Stile4aly: Elegy: FTFA:He did confess that he and his aides may have made some mistakes, such as failing to manage the development of the Obamacare website.

"We got [Obamacare] done. Now, let's face it, a lot of us didn't realize that passing the law was the easy part."

LOLWUT? What the fark did you think would happen - you'd pass the law and the magical fairies of liberalism would take care of everything else?

He rightly understood he would face massive political challenges in the passage of the law, despite having unprecedented majorities in the Congress.  Once the law was passed, he expected most states would act rationally and take vast amounts of federal money to tailor the health care law to their states needs.

See if you can identify his mistake.

His mistake was thinking the magical fairies of liberalism would take care of everything, over the stiff and vigorous opposition of the opposing party?


Yup he failed to see that conservatives are petulant children.
2013-11-05 11:20:34 AM  
1 votes:
ObamaCare's good side (kids get covered till 25, pre-conditions) are ok by me.  But now the folks are tasting the bad side (higher premiums and cancelled policies).   Its not likely the back end of this law will stand.
2013-11-05 11:20:33 AM  
1 votes:

crab66: The reality is that the only people who are losing their coverage don't have real insurance. They have absolute bare-bones disaster coverage that does basically nothing unless you are close to death.


You know that plans ceased to be compliant (and thus needed to be changed, and thus could no longer be kept) if they failed to provide prevailing drug coverage, right?  Which was a complete sop to Big Pharma?  So your cheap plan might've been cheap because it restricted you to generics, but now you've got to go on a "compliant" plan that's more expensive so you can continue to support Merck and Pfizer.  Yay.  I can see why the intellectual heirs of Jack Kerouac are so excited to support this governmental largesse to major donors corporations.

The basic details, about which you seem blissfully unaware, are just as clear cut.  I love it that a plan with a $10k deductible is the spawn of Satan, but Obamacare's run-of-the-mill "bronze" plans commonly have $6-7k deductibles, and that makes them just aces.  No need to examine what the premiums are:  what don't you understand about the fact that the new policies are BETTER!

But hey, your brother's unexpected pregnancy or your aunt's prostate problems will be covered once you meet the deductibles, and subject to the 30-40% co-insurance requirement, so there's that.  Must be money well spent.
2013-11-05 11:18:29 AM  
1 votes:
You lost, get over it.
2013-11-05 11:18:26 AM  
1 votes:
Also, its hilarious that the same people who are outraged because "Who the fark are you to determine what's best for people" want CCTVs set up in women's wombs to make sure there's no funny business going on
2013-11-05 11:17:40 AM  
1 votes:
he had to lie.  the ACA would never have passed if people knew that millions would be losing their insurance.

the end justifies the means.
2013-11-05 11:14:25 AM  
1 votes:
this is obama's "i didn't have sex with that woman" moment, which will live in infamy.
2013-11-05 11:14:02 AM  
1 votes:

Dancin_In_Anson: Serious Black: The alternative would be if somebody shows up to the hospital suffering from a heart attack, the doctors should do a wallet biopsy and figure out if his insurance covers emergency cardiology care before they pump him full of anticoagulants.

I'll ask you again: Dancin_In_Anson: Who the fark are you to determine what's best for someone you don't even farking know?

And then make them pay for it.


Who the fark am I? I'm the guy paying tons of money in taxes and tons more money in increased insurance premiums because they made a short-sighted decision not to get insurance coverage for some life-saving treatment and then stuck me with the bill!
2013-11-05 11:13:46 AM  
1 votes:
andrewjpatrick.files.wordpress.com
2013-11-05 11:13:21 AM  
1 votes:

Dancin_In_Anson: swaniefrmreddeer: Funny thing is, most of these people whose insurance has been canceled didn't have health insurance worth a flying f*ck to begin with.

Who the fark are you to determine what's best for someone you don't even farking know?

And then make them pay for it.


When they're women
2013-11-05 11:11:01 AM  
1 votes:

Elegy: FTFA:He did confess that he and his aides may have made some mistakes, such as failing to manage the development of the Obamacare website.

"We got [Obamacare] done. Now, let's face it, a lot of us didn't realize that passing the law was the easy part."

LOLWUT? What the fark did you think would happen - you'd pass the law and the magical fairies of liberalism would take care of everything else?


I'm sure that what they thought would happen wasn't "the Republicans would use the next few years delaying and refusing to fund the citizen-facing portions of the law and sabatoging the law on a state-by-state basis."

He probably assumed that the Republicans would act like people who actually give a damn about the citizens of the US.

Boy was he wrong.

Additionally. I'm guessing that when those promises were made the administration might not have realized just how many of the insurance policies out there are absolute junk.
2013-11-05 11:10:02 AM  
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The problem here isn't the ACA, it's insurance companies that have been gouging people for decades, selling people shiat plans.
2013-11-05 11:09:55 AM  
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Dancin_In_Anson: swaniefrmreddeer: Funny thing is, most of these people whose insurance has been canceled didn't have health insurance worth a flying f*ck to begin with.

Who the fark are you to determine what's best for someone you don't even farking know?

And then make them pay for it.


The alternative would be if somebody shows up to the hospital suffering from a heart attack, the doctors should do a wallet biopsy and figure out if his insurance covers emergency cardiology care before they pump him full of anticoagulants.
2013-11-05 11:08:53 AM  
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sprawl15: the fascinating point here is how upset people are that a promise that the government won't take your health insurance plan away from you doesn't extend to insurance companies choosing of their own volition to discontinue people's plans


I'm sure when schools stopped carrying soda pop in the cafeteria or vending machines, some irresponsible parents were a bit upset.  If they thought this was because of Michele Obama's influence they would be mad as hell.
2013-11-05 11:08:36 AM  
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The reality is that the only people who are losing their coverage don't have real insurance. They have absolute bare-bones disaster coverage that does basically nothing unless you are close to death.
2013-11-05 11:07:10 AM  
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swaniefrmreddeer: Elegy: FTFA:He did confess that he and his aides may have made some mistakes, such as failing to manage the development of the Obamacare website.

"We got [Obamacare] done. Now, let's face it, a lot of us didn't realize that passing the law was the easy part."

LOLWUT? What the fark did you think would happen - you'd pass the law and the magical fairies of liberalism would take care of everything else?

Yep, the conservative plan of doing nothing was so much better. Letting people die because they can't afford to go to the doctor is the "Murican way.


Fail.

I said nothing about the conservative alternative, or lack thereof.

Try again.
2013-11-05 11:04:38 AM  
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Is the Caller going to admit they were lying about millions losing their insurance?
2013-11-05 11:04:19 AM  
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Some rubes need government regulation to protect them from con-artists. Film at 11.
2013-11-05 11:02:57 AM  
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Why are all you Kool Aid soaked 0'Bama worshippers refusing to accept that this article proves there is in fact a WOLF headed towards the village
2013-11-05 11:02:39 AM  
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gilgigamesh: Yeah, so this is the new Benghazi, isn't it?

In that it's another "MPEACH THE LIAR IN CHIEF!!111!!" scandal-du-jour that Republican talk radio and only Republican talk radio will scream incessantly about for about 2 months before realizing it isn't sticking and then promptly drop into the memory hole in favor of a new one?


They've been yelling impeach since January 21, 2009.  They cry when they criticize the president then cry some more when no one shares their criticism.

There are plenty of things to criticize the President on, too bad all the right wants to focus on are the things that look good on a bumper sticker or in a campaign ad.
2013-11-05 11:02:02 AM  
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We abolished slavery for THIS?
2013-11-05 11:01:30 AM  
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politicians sometimes tell half truths and sometimes they lie, welcome to earf subby.
2013-11-05 10:40:59 AM  
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old news is exciting
2013-11-05 10:38:28 AM  
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FTFA:He did confess that he and his aides may have made some mistakes, such as failing to manage the development of the Obamacare website.

"We got [Obamacare] done. Now, let's face it, a lot of us didn't realize that passing the law was the easy part."


LOLWUT? What the fark did you think would happen - you'd pass the law and the magical fairies of liberalism would take care of everything else?
 
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