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2013-11-05 01:15:22 PM

Tyee: You folks are incredibly adept at rationalizing away what we all now know was false.

Best of luck to you.


Don't let the thread hit you in the ass on the way out.
 
2013-11-05 01:16:53 PM

steverockson: The problem here isn't the ACA, it's insurance companies that have been gouging people for decades, selling people shiat plans.


You forgot to add:  Who now are throwing out false information about the ACA because it hurts them.
 
2013-11-05 01:16:59 PM

Jackson Herring: Skleenar: try to get the rest of us to be angry that Obama was untruthful about one point in his stump speeches in favor of the ACA.

when you concede this point to the lying right-wing propaganda machine, you've already lost

what he said was a substantially true statement


he said this, over and over;

"If you like your healthcare plan, you'll be able to keep your healthcare plan, period."

and then yesterday, he replaced the period with a great big IF, and claims he said this;

"Now, if you have or had one of these plans before the Affordable Care Act came into law and you really liked that plan, what we said was you can keep it if it hasn't changed since the law passed,"

was yesterday's declaration a substantially true statement?

huh?
 
2013-11-05 01:18:14 PM

Elegy: CPennypacker: Elegy: CPennypacker: Elegy: CPennypacker: Elegy: CPennypacker: Elegy: bartink: Elegy: Ah, I see.

You're mad because republicans played by the rules.

The rules Obama himself established in his signature piece of legislation that his administration put forward, got passed, and signed into law.

"Play by the rules" now means farking over your constituents to score political points.

Got it.

That doesn't even make sense

By simple logic, republican representatives were elected by the proportion of people that (largely) do not want to see the ACA enacted.

Opposing the implementation of the ACA would therefore be doing exactly what your constituents elected you to do.

They told their stupid constituents that its what they wanted. It has nothing to do with whats actually best for them.

So you know what's better for the self-interest of the 50% of Americans that vote republican than those people do themselves?

That's not paternalistic and condescending at ALL.

I'm sorry, did I stutter when I called them idiots?

(Shrug) Ok then.

I suppose I'm ok with ignoring the wishes of the white conservatives in the suburb, as long we can mutually agree to keep poor inner city blacks out of politics.

After all, if the middle class conservatives - with their private schools and 2 parent homes - are so stupid they don't even know what is in their own self-interest, how much stupider must the people raised in poverty in the inner city be?

It's for their own good, after all.

This is dumb for lots of reasons, including that wealth doesn't equal intleligence and neither does race, but you must realize that the right would lose out bigtime if this agreement was struck

It was more a satirical commentary on where the mindset of paternalism takes us, politically.

The fact that it went entirely over your head and you took it at face value is just icing on the funny cake.

Poe's Law. Also I'm so sorry that you think you're funny. That's just tragic.

I'm required to amus ...


A) People are very stupid.  30% of the GOP thinks Obama is a Muslim (NTTAWWT).  That equates to millions of peolpe.  Also many think Obama is responsible for Katrina.
B) Your stupidity is socialized anyway.  Who the f*ck do you think pays for your uninsured trip to the ER prior to ACA?  Me, god damnit.
 
2013-11-05 01:18:58 PM

Tyee: You folks are incredibly adept at rationalizing away what we all now know was false.

Best of luck to you.


It helps that this is basically a big spat over minutae.
 
2013-11-05 01:19:00 PM

Heliovdrake: Tyee: You folks are incredibly adept at rationalizing away what we all now know was false.

Best of luck to you.

Don't let the thread hit you in the ass on the way out.


if it did, would the resulting injury be covered?
 
2013-11-05 01:19:17 PM

Tyee: You folks are incredibly adept at rationalizing away what we all now know was false.

Best of luck to you.


It isn't false.  I already explained why.  If you don't like living in a world where your reality and actual reality differ, you're the problem and I suggest you remove yourself from actual reality if it's so painful.
 
2013-11-05 01:20:21 PM

Hugh2d2: He also lied about taping your calls. And your emails. And closing Gitmo.


Did you really watch someone campaign for office and include the intent to close Gitmo and think "huh - all he has to do is requisition the key from the pentagon and VIOLA!"?
Did you really miss the past decade (yes, before he was elected) and the various a**-hattery that ensued from the policies set in place by Vice-President-no-it-isn't-torture-Cheney?
Have you missed the entire part where we are in uncharted legal waters that include "not in my back yard" years-long debate about where to even have a trial? or why we can't just let them go, either? or how we can't really hold them forever w/o a charge (although that seems to be what has happened until very recently)?

do not blame obama for his inability to close gitmo with a wave of a pen - it is complex and - with so many things - I see no speedy solutions
 
2013-11-05 01:20:27 PM
Hey guys they just greenlit another thread about this, so everyone go back to their starting positions
 
2013-11-05 01:20:36 PM
I think the important thing to do here is remind ourselves tha the most powerful, influential man in US politics, Sen. RAND PAUL, lifted some of his speech from Wikipedia. Because of this, we shouldn't be holding democratic politicians to their words.
 
2013-11-05 01:20:56 PM

Hugh2d2: He also lied about taping your calls. And your emails. And closing Gitmo.


I'm gonna have to call BS on that last one.  And I'm not really sure about the first two, either.

But at least in the first two, he has the putative authority to make the changes necessary.  On Gitmo he was cock-blocked by Congress.
 
2013-11-05 01:22:31 PM

colon_pow: Jackson Herring: Skleenar: try to get the rest of us to be angry that Obama was untruthful about one point in his stump speeches in favor of the ACA.

when you concede this point to the lying right-wing propaganda machine, you've already lost

what he said was a substantially true statement

he said this, over and over;

"If you like your healthcare plan, you'll be able to keep your healthcare plan, period."

and then yesterday, he replaced the period with a great big IF, and claims he said this;

"Now, if you have or had one of these plans before the Affordable Care Act came into law and you really liked that plan, what we said was you can keep it if it hasn't changed since the law passed,"

was yesterday's declaration a substantially true statement?

huh?


If he wasn't such a lying lier, he would have pointed out that he doesn't control the insurance companies and can't control whether or not they continue the same insurance plans. We all know that if you don't point out the obvious to the staggeringly stupid people, you are lying.
 
2013-11-05 01:22:43 PM

s2s2s2: [lame deflection]


thank you for your contribution
 
2013-11-05 01:23:31 PM

Heliovdrake: Stile4aly: Do you really believe this promise/statment is being true?; "if you like your health-care plan, you will be able to keep your health-care plan, period."

Not in such absolute terms no, but as an overall principle it is absolutely true.  Nothing in the ACA forces your insurance company to drop your plan, provided that they're continuing to offer the same plan that you originally signed up for.  If they choose to make signficant alterations which disqualify the plan from grandfathering, then that is on them, not on the ACA

Holy shiat this so farking much soooooo farking much THIS


Except Obama knew it would work out that way, before he said it wouldn't.
 
2013-11-05 01:24:03 PM

BunkoSquad: Hey guys they just greenlit another thread about this, so everyone go back to their starting positions


i'd rather have root canal - at least that includes pain killers and headphones
 
2013-11-05 01:24:51 PM

ManateeGag: Heliovdrake: Tyee: You folks are incredibly adept at rationalizing away what we all now know was false.

Best of luck to you.

Don't let the thread hit you in the ass on the way out.

if it did, would the resulting injury be covered?


I don't know, but if its not we can hold a bake sale to help cover the cost of the operation to remove the stick from his ass.
 
2013-11-05 01:25:48 PM

s2s2s2: Except Obama knew it would work out that way, before he said it wouldn't.


so, is Obama a all seeing mastermind this week or is he an empty suit no nothing puppet?
 
2013-11-05 01:29:38 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: swaniefrmreddeer: Funny thing is, most of these people whose insurance has been canceled didn't have health insurance worth a flying f*ck to begin with.

Who the fark are you to determine what's best for someone you don't even farking know?

And then make them pay for it.


Funny, I don't recall the American people being asked 10 years ago if it was ok to use trillions of our tax dollars to murder hundreds of thousands of innocent people.

Oh, the hypocrisy..it burns!
 
2013-11-05 01:32:05 PM

coeyagi: It isn't false.


No, it really is.  And if you had cut W this much slack you and the fricken republicans would have put him on Rushmore by now.
 
2013-11-05 01:35:23 PM

ManateeGag: s2s2s2: Except Obama knew it would work out that way, before he said it wouldn't.

so, is Obama a all seeing mastermind this week or is he an empty suit no nothing puppet?


Whatever he needs to be to suit the talking point at hand:

Killing of OBL - Empty suit that ordered ST6 to stand down but the military did it anyway
Benghazi - Empty suit that sat by idly doing nothing and/or ordered a stand down
Libya - Vicious war monger that took out a peaceable leader and nation
Maersk Alabama - Vicious killer that ordered the assassination of Muslim youths
IRS - Powerful leader than oversees every aspect of every agency, ordering the audits
BP Oil Spill - Empty suit during the response
West, Texas Fertilizer Plant - Micromanager, ordering regulations not be enforced
 
2013-11-05 01:37:40 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: swaniefrmreddeer: Funny thing is, most of these people whose insurance has been canceled didn't have health insurance worth a flying f*ck to begin with.

Who the fark are you to determine what's best for someone you don't even farking know?

And then make them pay for it.


*wendydavis.jpg*

Oh hai, DIA. What were you saying about determining what's best for other people?
 
2013-11-05 01:45:05 PM

GameSprocket: colon_pow: Jackson Herring: Skleenar: try to get the rest of us to be angry that Obama was untruthful about one point in his stump speeches in favor of the ACA.

when you concede this point to the lying right-wing propaganda machine, you've already lost

what he said was a substantially true statement

he said this, over and over;

"If you like your healthcare plan, you'll be able to keep your healthcare plan, period."

and then yesterday, he replaced the period with a great big IF, and claims he said this;

"Now, if you have or had one of these plans before the Affordable Care Act came into law and you really liked that plan, what we said was you can keep it if it hasn't changed since the law passed,"

was yesterday's declaration a substantially true statement?

huh?

If he wasn't such a lying lier, he would have pointed out that he doesn't control the insurance companies and can't control whether or not they continue the same insurance plans. We all know that if you don't point out the obvious to the staggeringly stupid people, you are lying.


if he would have pointed out the obvious, as you call it, the ACA would never have passed congress.  The ACA passed because of a very deliberate deception.  classic bait and switch.  but of course, the ends justify the means.  right?
 
2013-11-05 01:45:45 PM
coeyagi:
A) People are very stupid.

Yes. I never disagreed with that. I disagree with the proposition that, because they are stupid about something, that automatically invalidates everything they might ever have to say.

Flip it around. One of the media darlings of the 2008 election was a woman who said that since Obama was elected, she wouldn't have to worry about putting gas in her car or paying her mortgage.

Does this mean we shouldn't listen to her concerns about poverty, just because she's an idiot?


30% of the GOP thinks Obama is a Muslim (NTTAWWT).

As do 10% of democrats and 18% of independents. This is not an exclusively republican phenomenon. As you pointed out, stupid people are everywhere. Why do you assume they are of only one political stripe?

That equates to millions of peolpe.

That also means that millions of democrats believe the same silly things republicans do.
Also many think Obama is responsible for Katrina.
1/3 of LOUISIANA republicans. I have yet to see a national poll, but would love a source if you have one.

B) Your stupidity is socialized anyway. Who the f*ck do you think pays for your uninsured trip to the ER prior to ACA? Me, god damnit.
I support the ACA. I also support the right of people to criticize the hell out of it.
 
2013-11-05 01:46:54 PM
Get as much bad press as you can out now.

None of it will matter once the machine starts churning out success stories - by the millions.
 
2013-11-05 01:47:15 PM

colon_pow: if he would have pointed out the obvious, as you call it, the ACA would never have passed congress.  The ACA passed because of a very deliberate deception.  classic bait and switch.  but of course, the ends justify the means.  right?


I thought the ACA passed because the Dem's rammed it down the throat of Repubs, using political back doors and trickery and such?
 
2013-11-05 01:48:03 PM

colon_pow: if he would have pointed out the obvious, as you call it, the ACA would never have passed congress.


Wait, what?

You are suggesting that Congress was depending on the President's characterization of their bill to determine whether or not it was worthy of passage?

That's some pretty potato logic right there.
 
2013-11-05 01:48:42 PM

colon_pow: if he would have pointed out the obvious, as you call it, the ACA would never have passed congress.  The ACA passed because of a very deliberate deception.  classic bait and switch.  but of course, the ends justify the means.  right?


No doubt that is squeaked through.  Of course the lies about it from the right were on a much grander scale so let's call it even.

If there are no death panels and the economy doesn't collapse, let's just concede the Right were much more full of shiat.
 
2013-11-05 01:53:55 PM

colon_pow: GameSprocket: colon_pow: Jackson Herring: Skleenar: try to get the rest of us to be angry that Obama was untruthful about one point in his stump speeches in favor of the ACA.

when you concede this point to the lying right-wing propaganda machine, you've already lost

what he said was a substantially true statement

he said this, over and over;

"If you like your healthcare plan, you'll be able to keep your healthcare plan, period."

and then yesterday, he replaced the period with a great big IF, and claims he said this;

"Now, if you have or had one of these plans before the Affordable Care Act came into law and you really liked that plan, what we said was you can keep it if it hasn't changed since the law passed,"

was yesterday's declaration a substantially true statement?

huh?

If he wasn't such a lying lier, he would have pointed out that he doesn't control the insurance companies and can't control whether or not they continue the same insurance plans. We all know that if you don't point out the obvious to the staggeringly stupid people, you are lying.

if he would have pointed out the obvious, as you call it, the ACA would never have passed congress.  The ACA passed because of a very deliberate deception.  classic bait and switch.  but of course, the ends justify the means.  right?


You mean we have to trick really stupid people in order to progress as a society? Then, yes, the ends justify the means. I am tired of dragging idiots into the modern age. If you don't want to be part of the solution then fark you, we will improve the world around you.
 
2013-11-05 01:54:07 PM

skullkrusher: Mikey1969: skullkrusher: Mikey1969: Tigger: Screw you you theiving right wing farkbags.

The only insurance that you aren't allowed to keep is insurance that is so bad I'M SUBSIDISING YOU WITH MY INSURANCE.

I highly doubt that you have the moral character to die in the street instead taking treatment that isn't covered and you can't afford, jacking up prices and making me pay for your care.

Buy proper insurance shiatheads. I'm done paying for you.

But I'd pay to see it, wouldn't you? Could be the next sporting event. Dying Retards.

You'd pay to watch mentally challenged people die? The New Left, ladies and gentlemen! Now with sociopathy!

That's all you've got today? Semantic bullshiat? Someone didn't eat their Wheaties.

You should look that word up


I have. It means playing around with word definitions, deciding to interpret literally, even though you know that's not at all what was actually said. It works well when you want to attack the other side and have nothing left.

Have a nice day now.
 
2013-11-05 01:54:23 PM

grumpfuff: colon_pow: if he would have pointed out the obvious, as you call it, the ACA would never have passed congress.  The ACA passed because of a very deliberate deception.  classic bait and switch.  but of course, the ends justify the means.  right?

I thought the ACA passed because the Dem's rammed it down the throat of Repubs, using political back doors and trickery and such?


Look, it was only debated for nearly a year. That's not nearly long enough for Repbulicans to learn something about a Heritage Foundation plan that was largely supported many on the right until 2008 and there was a working model in Massachusetts of the plan
 
2013-11-05 01:55:22 PM

sprawl15: the fascinating point here is how upset people are that a promise that the government won't take your health insurance plan away from you doesn't extend to insurance companies choosing of their own volition to discontinue people's plans


Except that many of them were discontinued because they didn't meet the minimum requirements of the ACA.  More than likely they were low premium, high copay, high deductible plans, and not the most desirable plans.  But still they were probably paying $50 for those plans and now they have to pay $200-500 for a plan that is compliant with the law and they're going to feel lied to.  The insurance companies never promised they could keep their plans, Obama did.
 
2013-11-05 01:55:31 PM

Peter von Nostrand: grumpfuff: colon_pow: if he would have pointed out the obvious, as you call it, the ACA would never have passed congress.  The ACA passed because of a very deliberate deception.  classic bait and switch.  but of course, the ends justify the means.  right?

I thought the ACA passed because the Dem's rammed it down the throat of Repubs, using political back doors and trickery and such?

Look, it was only debated for nearly a year. That's not nearly long enough for Repbulicans to learn something about a Heritage Foundation plan that was largely supported many on the right until 2008 and there was a working model in Massachusetts of the plan


*Republicans, too
 
2013-11-05 01:55:53 PM

colon_pow: GameSprocket: colon_pow: Jackson Herring: Skleenar: try to get the rest of us to be angry that Obama was untruthful about one point in his stump speeches in favor of the ACA.

when you concede this point to the lying right-wing propaganda machine, you've already lost

what he said was a substantially true statement

he said this, over and over;

"If you like your healthcare plan, you'll be able to keep your healthcare plan, period."

and then yesterday, he replaced the period with a great big IF, and claims he said this;

"Now, if you have or had one of these plans before the Affordable Care Act came into law and you really liked that plan, what we said was you can keep it if it hasn't changed since the law passed,"

was yesterday's declaration a substantially true statement?

huh?

If he wasn't such a lying lier, he would have pointed out that he doesn't control the insurance companies and can't control whether or not they continue the same insurance plans. We all know that if you don't point out the obvious to the staggeringly stupid people, you are lying.

if he would have pointed out the obvious, as you call it, the ACA would never have passed congress.  The ACA passed because of a very deliberate deception.  classic bait and switch.  but of course, the ends justify the means.  right?


oh - I see - if Obama had pointed out that profitable insurance companies would have to meet an industry standard they'd opt to hurt consumers, the ACA would not have passed.

yeah - you go with that new and improved talking point - it is SURE to win favor.
 
2013-11-05 01:56:50 PM

Mikey1969: skullkrusher: Mikey1969: skullkrusher: Mikey1969: Tigger: Screw you you theiving right wing farkbags.

The only insurance that you aren't allowed to keep is insurance that is so bad I'M SUBSIDISING YOU WITH MY INSURANCE.

I highly doubt that you have the moral character to die in the street instead taking treatment that isn't covered and you can't afford, jacking up prices and making me pay for your care.

Buy proper insurance shiatheads. I'm done paying for you.

But I'd pay to see it, wouldn't you? Could be the next sporting event. Dying Retards.

You'd pay to watch mentally challenged people die? The New Left, ladies and gentlemen! Now with sociopathy!

That's all you've got today? Semantic bullshiat? Someone didn't eat their Wheaties.

You should look that word up

I have. It means playing around with word definitions, deciding to interpret literally, even though you know that's not at all what was actually said. It works well when you want to attack the other side and have nothing left.

Have a nice day now.


So what was the figurative meaning of your Pay Per View idea? That the suffering of people is entertainment if its the result of poor decisions? How very Randian
 
2013-11-05 01:57:16 PM

Elegy: As do 10% of democrats and 18% of independents. This is not an exclusively republican phenomenon. As you pointed out, stupid people are everywhere. Why do you assume they are of only one political stripe?


Sure, so what you're saying is that most of them are Republican?
 
2013-11-05 01:59:47 PM

Peter von Nostrand: grumpfuff: colon_pow: if he would have pointed out the obvious, as you call it, the ACA would never have passed congress.  The ACA passed because of a very deliberate deception.  classic bait and switch.  but of course, the ends justify the means.  right?

I thought the ACA passed because the Dem's rammed it down the throat of Repubs, using political back doors and trickery and such?

Look, it was only debated for nearly a year. That's not nearly long enough for Repbulicans to learn something about a Heritage Foundation plan that was largely supported many on the right until 2008 and there was a working model in Massachusetts of the plan


Objection. Assumes Republicans bother to find out what a bill put forth by a Democrat says before they proclaim how terrible it is.
 
2013-11-05 02:09:39 PM

cc_rider: Dancin_In_Anson: swaniefrmreddeer: Funny thing is, most of these people whose insurance has been canceled didn't have health insurance worth a flying f*ck to begin with.

Who the fark are you to determine what's best for someone you don't even farking know?

And then make them pay for it.

Funny, I don't recall the American people being asked 10 years ago if it was ok to use trillions of our tax dollars to murder hundreds of thousands of innocent people.

Oh, the hypocrisy..it burns!


Well, they did vote for Republicans in 2002 and reelected the "decider" in 2004. So either voters as a whole were pleased with us using trillions of tax dollars to murder hundreds of thousands of innocent people, or you are full of shiat.
 
2013-11-05 02:14:54 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: and reelected the "decider" in 2004.


Nah, they reelected George W. Bush. He didn't become the decider until his proclamation in 2006.
 
2013-11-05 02:19:34 PM

Peter von Nostrand: ManateeGag: s2s2s2: Except Obama knew it would work out that way, before he said it wouldn't.

so, is Obama a all seeing mastermind this week or is he an empty suit no nothing puppet?

Whatever he needs to be to suit the talking point at hand:

Killing of OBL - Empty suit that ordered ST6 to stand down but the military did it anyway
Benghazi - Empty suit that sat by idly doing nothing and/or ordered a stand down
Libya - Vicious war monger that took out a peaceable leader and nation
Maersk Alabama - Vicious killer that ordered the assassination of Muslim youths
IRS - Powerful leader than oversees every aspect of every agency, ordering the audits
BP Oil Spill - Empty suit during the response
West, Texas Fertilizer Plant - Micromanager, ordering regulations not be enforced


We really need some sort of Wheel'O'Obama image/gif for these threads.
 
2013-11-05 02:20:22 PM

coeyagi: Tyee: You folks are incredibly adept at rationalizing away what we all now know was false.

Best of luck to you.

It isn't false.  I already explained why.  If you don't like living in a world where your reality and actual reality differ, you're the problem and I suggest you remove yourself from actual reality if it's so painful.


Speak for yourself. It was obviously false.
 
2013-11-05 02:22:33 PM
*** ATTENTION.  YOUR ATTENTION, PLEASE ***

The latest edition of the Newspeak Dictionary states that all anteObamaCare health plans shall be referred to as "Junk," or "Doubleplusjunk."

Referring to anteObamaCare plans as "better" or "desirable" in any way is doubleplusungood.

All Miniplenty Healthcare is bellyfeel good.

All statements regarding buying other healthcarewise plans is ungood ownlife behavior, and is thoughtcrime.

Sincerely yours,
Miniluv
 
2013-11-05 02:24:54 PM

dehehn: Except that many of them were discontinued because they didn't meet the minimum requirements of the ACA.


this is incorrect

if you had a plan before march 2010 it is grandfathered in even if it doesn't meet the ACA requirements, unless your insurance company makes substantial changes to it
 
2013-11-05 02:25:12 PM

Phinn: *** ATTENTION.  YOUR ATTENTION, PLEASE ***

The latest edition of the Newspeak Dictionary states that all anteObamaCare health plans shall be referred to as "Junk," or "Doubleplusjunk."

Referring to anteObamaCare plans as "better" or "desirable" in any way is doubleplusungood.

All Miniplenty Healthcare is bellyfeel good.

All statements regarding buying other healthcarewise plans is ungood ownlife behavior, and is thoughtcrime.

Sincerely yours,
Miniluv


Posting this multiple times in every ACA thread does not make it true.

If there's any side that's a master of "Call it the opposite of what it does," that would be conservatives.

Sorta like how "No Child Left Behind" actually left a lot of children behind.
 
2013-11-05 02:30:12 PM
grumpfuff:

Posting this multiple times in every ACA thread does not make it true.

If there's any side that's a master of "Call it the opposite of what it does," that would be conservatives.

Sorta like how "No Child Left Behind" actually left a lot of children behind.


also "star wars defense"
        "healthy skies"
        "balanced budget"
        "living wage"
        "industry regulation"
 
2013-11-05 02:30:23 PM

incendi: Debeo Summa Credo: and reelected the "decider" in 2004.

Nah, they reelected George W. Bush. He didn't become the decider until his proclamation in 2006.


Ah, my mistake.
 
2013-11-05 02:31:18 PM

grumpfuff: If there's any side that's a master of "Call it the opposite of what it does," that would be conservatives.

Sorta like how "No Child Left Behind" actually left a lot of children behind.


You DO know that Ted Kennedy was behind that, right?
 
2013-11-05 02:32:57 PM
What we said was you could keep it if it hasn't changed since the law was passed., yeah, that's what we said. over and over, remember?  you remember that, don't you?  we said that all the time,

What we said was you could keep it if it hasn't changed since the law was passed. period. end of story.  guaranteed. that's what we said.
 
2013-11-05 02:35:46 PM

BojanglesPaladin: You DO know that Ted Kennedy was behind that, right?



And the HMO legislation that permanently screwed up the US medical insurance industry.  What a peach!
 
2013-11-05 02:36:11 PM

Jackson Herring: dehehn: Except that many of them were discontinued because they didn't meet the minimum requirements of the ACA.

this is incorrect

if you had a plan before march 2010 it is grandfathered in even if it doesn't meet the ACA requirements, unless your insurance company makes substantial changes to it


He probably should've stopped saying it after March 2010 then
 
2013-11-05 02:39:43 PM

Phinn: And the HMO legislation that permanently screwed up the US medical insurance industry. What a peach!


Really? I did not know Ted Kennedy was behind that bill. You mean I've been erroneously blaming Nixon this whole time?
 
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