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2013-11-05 11:56:36 AM  
Bait and switch, pure and simple.

The people who fought against Obamacare saw this coming, how could he have not?

What else?
We're not seeing the average family saving $2,500.00.  More like they are paying that much more, a $5K swing.
We're not being able to keep you plan that you like.
Many already know their Dr. will change and many more will find that out.

Obama has thrown away what little credibility he had left and if you're covering for him you have too.

Respect yourself enough to call him out rather than cover for him.

He also told us we won't see death panels....

$ paying more, getting less...Obamacare.
 
2013-11-05 11:56:41 AM  

Serious Black: Exactly.

Though I fault him more for thinking that the insurance companies would behave ethically and honestly rather than trying to rape their customers one last more time.  Also he couldn't have predicted the Supreme Court saying the states don't have to expand their Medicare.

Umm his administration wrote the regulations that are causing the policies to be cancelled

And what were those regulations again?

- May not significantly cut or reduce benefits (e.g. removing coverage for cystic fibrosis),
- May not raise co-insurance charges (any change at all),
- May not significantly increase co-payment charges ($5 or more beyond medical inflation),
- May not significantly raise deductibles (15% or more beyond medical inflation),
- May not significantly decrease the employer contribution (5% or more),
- May not tighten the annual limit of what the insurer will pay, and
- May not change insurance providers.

If the insurance plan you had with X in March 2010 went from a $1,000 deductible to a $3,000 in 2014, doubled your coinsurance from 15% to 30%, and dropped the annual limit from $500,000 to $250,000, is it really the same insurance plan you had back in 2010?


Many of the people affected by this are in the individual market because they may have changed carriers in the past 3 years but kept the same coverage structure.  But because of the rules, you don't get grandfathered status.

Now you have to pay for all of that "free" coverage you get in your plan too.

Ohh I get free Tobacco use screening and obesity counseling.  Awesome, but I've never smoked and I'm not fat... but I have to pay the premium for the 'free' services and for everybody elses too.
 
2013-11-05 11:56:50 AM  

MugzyBrown: Madbassist1: where are these huge rate increases? My plan went up 50 bucks. I purchase my own insurance, unlike the vast majority of you uninformed whiners, and these huge rate increases just arent happening for me. Granted, I like my plan and havent shopped around on the exchanges, but an extra 50 bucks tacked on to my premium so EVERYONE can be insured? Hell yes, I'll pay it. I'm human, after all.

My former employer's plan is up 11%.  My current employer's plan would have increased 40% if we waited until 1/1 to renew it.  We did an early renewal so that it only increased 6%.


My current employer's plan went up on the low cost high deductible plan and dropped significantly on the high cost no deductible plan. Go figure. Different companies are able to negotiate different rates with different results. So weird how that works.

Fun fact: Insurance goes up every year anyway.
 
2013-11-05 11:57:22 AM  

sprawl15: sprawl15: ManateeGag: sprawl15: [i.imgur.com image 576x255]

hey!  New Torg pictures!  where do you people get these?

i stole it from jackson's post in the dont thread on me

but really torg belongs to everyone so 'stole' is a bit harsh


We'll leave stealing to RAND PAUL
 
2013-11-05 11:57:27 AM  
Is You-Can-Keep-Your-Insurance-(Unless-the-Insurance-Policy-Is-A-Piece-of -Sh*t-And-the-Insurer-Must-Cancel-It)-ghazi a scandal yet?
 
2013-11-05 11:57:30 AM  

Bloody William: Headso: Dancin_In_Anson: Aldon: If the taxpayer is going to pay for healtcare anyway,

Well, there's your problem.

Instead of repealing Obummercare 50 times why not spend your political capital writing law that allows doctors and hospitals to refuse treatment to people who can't afford it? that's what you are arguing for here right?

Shh. His answers are supposed to be taken compartmentalized, without looking at the results of those answers beyond the most obvious and direct situations. There are no externalities, there is no social contract, there are no price adjustments based on rates of bill collection, everything is its own neat little packet and you can feel good about it.


it's like every thread we have to get to that conclusion through a  series of post too. I ask all right wingers from now on to begin at the part where you want doctors and hospitals to refuse treatment and then we can move on from there, it would make these threads more efficient.
 
2013-11-05 11:58:05 AM  

Mikey1969: Dancin_In_Anson: swaniefrmreddeer: Funny thing is, most of these people whose insurance has been canceled didn't have health insurance worth a flying f*ck to begin with.

Who the fark are you to determine what's best for someone you don't even farking know?

And then make them pay for it.

Because one of the great "examples" they used of someone who got cancelled had a plan as follows:

$54/month premium.

For that $54/month, she got:

$50 towards a doctor's visit. No, not a copay, no not a reduction to $50 on her part. No, not a negotiated price. They paid $50, which probably about covers a well visit. Nothing else. Anything more, she loses money.

$15 towards a prescription. No, not a $15 'script, just $15 towards what could easily be a $50 fill.

$50 towards a hospital visit, IF it was a visit related to "complications" from pregnancy.

Mammograms and a few cancer screenings.

IN other words, it doesn't matter "who you are", it's pretty easy to determine that any "insurance" that will leave you owing thousands while covering $50 and costing you $648/year isn't "insurance". You aren't insuring against ANYTHING, so it isn't insurance by definition.

Keep in mind, this was one of the "poster boy" cases the antis drug out.


So she didn't actually have a real health insurance plan so Obama was technically correct.

That's like equating a road side assistance plan for her car versus actual accident insurance.
 
2013-11-05 11:58:15 AM  
Ah, yes.  The thread where people who brought us "death panels" and "government takeover of heathcare" and claim Fox News is "news" try to get the rest of us to be angry that Obama was untruthful about one point in his stump speeches in favor of the ACA.

This one's fun.  The high ground is somewhere below the floor of the Marianas Trench.
 
2013-11-05 11:58:19 AM  

Tyee: Bait and switch, pure and simple.

The people who fought against Obamacare saw this coming, how could he have not?

What else?
We're not seeing the average family saving $2,500.00.  More like they are paying that much more, a $5K swing.
We're not being able to keep you plan that you like.
Many already know their Dr. will change and many more will find that out.

Obama has thrown away what little credibility he had left and if you're covering for him you have too.

Respect yourself enough to call him out rather than cover for him.

He also told us we won't see death panels....

$ paying more, getting less...Obamacare.


Derping more, thinking less - Tyee.

Seriously, that was just straight out lying, liar.

You are history's greatest coward.
 
2013-11-05 11:58:57 AM  

Tyee: He also told us we won't see death panels....


Has the troll budget been affected by the sequester? No one is bringing their A game and shiat like this is dangerously close to tipping your hand as a self-aware joker and not a believer.
 
2013-11-05 11:59:32 AM  

Skleenar: try to get the rest of us to be angry that Obama was untruthful about one point in his stump speeches in favor of the ACA.


when you concede this point to the lying right-wing propaganda machine, you've already lost

what he said was a substantially true statement
 
2013-11-05 11:59:45 AM  

sprawl15: [i.imgur.com image 576x255]


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[LUTHER INGRAM]

♪ If laughing at this is wrong, I don't wanna be right ♫

[/LUTHER INGRAM]
 
2013-11-05 11:59:52 AM  

Serious Black: Recission is a rule that even grandfathered plans have to adhere to.


Oh, I know. I'm just amazed that the left isn't beating that drum; it's pretty farking horrific what the insurance companies did. Shiat like this:
A 2007 investigation by the California Department of Managed Health Care bore this out. The agency randomly selected 90 instances in which Anthem Blue Cross of California dropped the insurance of policyholders after diagnoses with costly or life-threatening illnesses to determine how many were legally justified.

None were. "In all 90 files, there was no evidence (that Blue Cross), before rescinding coverage, investigated or established that the applicant's omission/misrepresentation was willful," the DMHC report said.
 
2013-11-05 12:00:03 PM  
Does the ACA actually mandate that insurers may not offer non-qualifying plans, or is this just the insurers seeing that they don't have a sustainable market in non-qualifying plans and freemarketing away from what they anticipate becoming an unprofitable business activity?
 
2013-11-05 12:00:45 PM  

MugzyBrown: Serious Black: Exactly.

Though I fault him more for thinking that the insurance companies would behave ethically and honestly rather than trying to rape their customers one last more time.  Also he couldn't have predicted the Supreme Court saying the states don't have to expand their Medicare.

Umm his administration wrote the regulations that are causing the policies to be cancelled

And what were those regulations again?

- May not significantly cut or reduce benefits (e.g. removing coverage for cystic fibrosis),
- May not raise co-insurance charges (any change at all),
- May not significantly increase co-payment charges ($5 or more beyond medical inflation),
- May not significantly raise deductibles (15% or more beyond medical inflation),
- May not significantly decrease the employer contribution (5% or more),
- May not tighten the annual limit of what the insurer will pay, and
- May not change insurance providers.

If the insurance plan you had with X in March 2010 went from a $1,000 deductible to a $3,000 in 2014, doubled your coinsurance from 15% to 30%, and dropped the annual limit from $500,000 to $250,000, is it really the same insurance plan you had back in 2010?

Many of the people affected by this are in the individual market because they may have changed carriers in the past 3 years but kept the same coverage structure.  But because of the rules, you don't get grandfathered status.

Now you have to pay for all of that "free" coverage you get in your plan too.

Ohh I get free Tobacco use screening and obesity counseling.  Awesome, but I've never smoked and I'm not fat... but I have to pay the premium for the 'free' services and for everybody elses too.


So? Maybe you are predisposed to have heart problems that will lead to congestive heart failure down the line. You'll need really pricey cardiology care to handle that. Should it be okay for me to not get cardiology covered on my insurance and avoid paying for your care?
 
2013-11-05 12:02:00 PM  

Jackson Herring: Skleenar: try to get the rest of us to be angry that Obama was untruthful about one point in his stump speeches in favor of the ACA.

when you concede this point to the lying right-wing propaganda machine, you've already lost

what he said was a substantially true statement


It is apparently true in 95% of the cases. But for those 5% who were Potato-Americans and bought sh*t policies despite being the party of personal responsibility, thank you, THANK YOU, for making your pain the center of the national discourse for 2 weeks.

//Also, I meant, F*CK YOU.
 
2013-11-05 12:02:06 PM  

coeyagi: Seriously, that was just straight out lying,


Obama?  correct.

Bait and Switch, Obamacare, its nothing like you thought is was.
 
2013-11-05 12:03:25 PM  

MugzyBrown: Bloody William: So if you no longer have the health care plan you liked because it was  changed, you no longer have the health care plan you like?

Minor changes happen every year.  Cancellations do not.


true - it was entirely more likely you just hit a lifetime cap and went bankrupt- same result
 
2013-11-05 12:03:50 PM  
We tried to tell you he was governing as a republican. Maybe now you'll believe us.
 
2013-11-05 12:04:00 PM  
Obama promised they could keep their CURRENT plan.  Had their plans not actually substantively changed, they could keep them under the grandfather clause.  If they can't keep their plans, it's not really the same plan and it's disingenuous to call it the same plan.
 
2013-11-05 12:04:36 PM  

Tyee: coeyagi: Seriously, that was just straight out lying,

Obama?  correct.

Bait and Switch, Obamacare, its nothing like you thought is was.


No, you Corky, YOU are the liar.

Death panels? Seriously?  That is some sad f*cking trolling, liar.
 
2013-11-05 12:04:47 PM  

sprawl15: Serious Black: Recission is a rule that even grandfathered plans have to adhere to.

Oh, I know. I'm just amazed that the left isn't beating that drum; it's pretty farking horrific what the insurance companies did. Shiat like this:A 2007 investigation by the California Department of Managed Health Care bore this out. The agency randomly selected 90 instances in which Anthem Blue Cross of California dropped the insurance of policyholders after diagnoses with costly or life-threatening illnesses to determine how many were legally justified.

None were. "In all 90 files, there was no evidence (that Blue Cross), before rescinding coverage, investigated or established that the applicant's omission/misrepresentation was willful," the DMHC report said.


Oh, I was told that the proper way to handle recission cases like these was through the courts as a failure of the insurance company to perform on the contract. Never mind that state and federal courts are wildly underfunded and undermanned today or that the typical health insurance beneficiary can't afford a high-priced lawyer like the company surely can.
 
2013-11-05 12:06:06 PM  

Bloody William: Dancin_In_Anson: djkutch: Who the fark are you to not hold individuals to a basic level of personal responsibility?

Like letting them make their own decisions and living with the consequences?

And yet Republicans got all offended when this logic was explored as policy.


Even after they have that "freedom to die" line a standing ovation at the republican primary debate.
 
2013-11-05 12:07:16 PM  

davideggy: Obama promised they could keep their CURRENT plan.  Had their plans not actually substantively changed, they could keep them under the grandfather clause.  If they can't keep their plans, it's not really the same plan and it's disingenuous to call it the same plan.


Thank you.

Let me diagram it in steps for mongoloids:

1) If you had a plan before March 2010, you can keep it.
2) Unless, your insurer changes the plan.
3) If you had a plan after March 2010, and it doesn't comply with ACA, then your insurer deceived you and should have told you that it wasn't compliant with ACA.

In any eventuality, if the insurer was playing by the rules, you could keep your insurance.
 
2013-11-05 12:07:21 PM  

ManateeGag: so, you're saying, if a woman is going to die of she doesn't abort a fetus (that she would absolutely keep if it wasn't going to kill her), fark her, she made her bed and should lay in it.


If she wants to have an abortion that's her decision to make. Not mine or yours. Nor is it you place or my place to pay for it.

swaniefrmreddeer: Do you have no social conscience?


Why yes I do. And let's see how much of one you have. In my profile I have a number of items in my "wish list". let's see how many you can pick. Thanks!

swaniefrmreddeer: You have a, "I've got mine mentality", f*ck paying for those who through mental illness, disability, or being dealt a sh*tty hand hand in life cannot afford even basic healthcare.


No, I have a I'm going to worry about me and mine FIRST  and then if and when I can, I will help others. If that makes me a

swaniefrmreddeer: self centered douche bag.

Then so be it.  And thanks again for checking my wish list and showing me what a great humanitarian you are!

(FWIW I know you won't do shiat but thanks for looking just the same.)
 
2013-11-05 12:07:46 PM  
Is it dividing by zero yet when the liars who are trying to make the claim that Obama is a liar have to resort to lying to make their argument?
 
2013-11-05 12:07:48 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: sprawl15: so is this you on record saying you want uninsured/underinsured people to just go off somewhere and die

Nope. Try again, slugger.

ManateeGag: since you put it that way, who are you to tell a woman that she needs to have a medical procedure before having a different medical procedure?

I don't have any say in what kind of procedure anyone should have done and I think the laws to which you refer that have been put into place are complete and total bullshiat.

ManateeGag: you mean like when it comes to abortion and birth control?

Yep. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.

Aldon: If the taxpayer is going to pay for healtcare anyway,

Well, there's your problem.


So what are you suggesting should happen someone defaults on a hospital bill?

There's no practical way to prevent that cost from being socialized.
 
2013-11-05 12:08:00 PM  
Bloody William:

Maybe the death panel is over the top,.. so far.

The rest is accurate, it was a total bait and switch sales job.
If you aren't able to admit you were sold a bunch of shiat that Obamacare won't deliver you're incapable of objective thought and sight.
 
2013-11-05 12:08:54 PM  
Screw you you theiving right wing farkbags.

The only insurance that you aren't allowed to keep is insurance that is so bad I'M SUBSIDISING YOU WITH MY INSURANCE.

I highly doubt that you have the moral character to die in the street instead taking treatment that isn't covered and you can't afford, jacking up prices and making me pay for your care.

Buy proper insurance shiatheads. I'm done paying for you.
 
2013-11-05 12:11:38 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: I have a number of items in my "wish list". let's see how many you can pick


is it a common ritual in the anson family to purchase and present a dildo before airing grievance
 
2013-11-05 12:11:45 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: If she wants to have an abortion that's her decision to make. Not mine or yours. Nor is it you place or my place to pay for it.


It's a good thing that isn't happening.
 
2013-11-05 12:12:25 PM  

sprawl15: the fascinating point here is how upset people are that a promise that the government won't take your health insurance plan away from you doesn't extend to insurance companies choosing of their own volition to discontinue people's plans


To a teabagger, insurance companies are just benevolent tooth-fairy-like entities that shower payments upon you, and only deny coverage once Obama was elected.

The facts are really not important.
 
2013-11-05 12:13:51 PM  
Are conservatives seriously still upset about this? Didn't they get new marching orders a week ago?
 
2013-11-05 12:14:04 PM  

Fart_Machine: Dancin_In_Anson: If she wants to have an abortion that's her decision to make. Not mine or yours. Nor is it you place or my place to pay for it.

It's a good thing that isn't happening.


It's a bad deal that DIA gets to be a citizen, while so many people who want to be a part of America don't have a path to citizenship.
 
2013-11-05 12:14:12 PM  

sprawl15: Dancin_In_Anson: I have a number of items in my "wish list". let's see how many you can pick

is it a common ritual in the anson family to purchase and present a dildo before airing grievance


must be a regional spin on the festivus celebration...
 
2013-11-05 12:14:31 PM  

Tyee: Bloody William:

Maybe the death panel is over the top,.. so far.

The rest is accurate, it was a total bait and switch sales job.
If you aren't able to admit you were sold a bunch of shiat that Obamacare won't deliver you're incapable of objective thought and sight.


Hmmmn, I was able to keep my previous policy but will probably go with the Silver Kaiser plan offered under the exchange because it's cheaper after the subsidies and offers slightly better benefits.  Still waiting on those death panels though.  You sound very concerned.
 
2013-11-05 12:15:14 PM  

Fart_Machine: Dancin_In_Anson: If she wants to have an abortion that's her decision to make. Not mine or yours. Nor is it you place or my place to pay for it.

It's a good thing that isn't happening.


Awesome, so to make their point, the usual liars are doing the old "Death Panels" and "Abortions" dance.

F*CK ALL OF YOU CLOWNS.

You have nothing, you've resorted to easily-debunked lies.

If you want to help keep costs down in ACA, I suggest seppuku.
 
2013-11-05 12:15:21 PM  

ferretman: Jackson Herring: Seriously, just for a second escape your echo chamber and ask yourself how you'd react if the insurance companies had made these promises directly to consumers, and then revealed that they knew that for 5-10% of people, it was simply untrue.

and here is the big lie again

in reality, if you had a plan prior to 2010 that you liked, it was and still is grandfathered in even if it doesn't meet the standards of the ACA

the government has no control over whether your shiatty insurance company changed your farking plan so that it could no longer be grandfathered in

But due to the ACA, the insurance companies had no choice but to change their plans...leading to people being dropped from insurance.

This is all due to the implementation of Obamacare.


Yeah, this is just flatly, objectively untrue.

The ACA contained specific provisions allowing these plans to stay I'm place. What changed is that it was now harder to rescind insurance If a customer ever actually needed coverage. By discontinuing these plans, the insurance companies were basically admitting that they were nit actually set up to provide any actual coverage.
 
2013-11-05 12:16:29 PM  

Tyee: Bloody William:

Maybe the death panel is over the top,.. so far.

The rest is accurate, it was a total bait and switch sales job.
If you aren't able to admit you were sold a bunch of shiat that Obamacare won't deliver you're incapable of objective thought and sight.


You're right. After all, I can be denied insurance for having a preexisting condition... wait, no. Well, if I buy insurance, I might end up reaching a lifetime cap and paying for anything after that out of pocket... wait, no. Well, I know I'm being forced into going to government-approved doctors under a government-run plan... wait, no. Well, I'm positive that I MUST buy health insurance or else... well, no. But if I buy catastrophic coverage or a bronze plan from any of a variety of providers assuming I'm not eligible for an exemption and get coverage despite any preexisting condition and will not have a lifetime cap on treatment... what were we talking about again?

Look, I'm glad you found a lie to pick apart. It just isn't a lie that has much to do with 97% of the ACA at all.
 
2013-11-05 12:17:06 PM  

Tyee: Bloody William:

Maybe the death panel is over the top,.. so far.

The rest is accurate, it was a total bait and switch sales job.
If you aren't able to admit you were sold a bunch of shiat that Obamacare won't deliver you're incapable of objective thought and sight.


Exactly what, pray tell, is the bait-and-switch. Pre-exisitng conditions covered? Yep. Prices going down? Yep. "insurance policies" that don't actually insure, gone? Yep. Increases in medical care costs slowing? Yep.


Sounds about right. Not that you care about being accurate.
 
2013-11-05 12:19:40 PM  
The Republicans had a chance to make "their" plan better, but instead they choose to obstruct and destroy.
So actually they contribute less than nothing. As usual.
 
2013-11-05 12:19:42 PM  

Tigger: Screw you you theiving right wing farkbags.

The only insurance that you aren't allowed to keep is insurance that is so bad I'M SUBSIDISING YOU WITH MY INSURANCE.

I highly doubt that you have the moral character to die in the street instead taking treatment that isn't covered and you can't afford, jacking up prices and making me pay for your care.

Buy proper insurance shiatheads. I'm done paying for you.


Wow, a left winger whining about paying for others? Well I'll be.

I suppose you are equally outraged about the medicare subsidies being paid for with an additional tax on "the rich", right?
 
2013-11-05 12:19:58 PM  

Tyee: Bait and switch, pure and simple.

The people who fought against Obamacare saw this coming, how could he have not?

What else?
We're not seeing the average family saving $2,500.00.  More like they are paying that much more, a $5K swing.
We're not being able to keep you plan that you like.
Many already know their Dr. will change and many more will find that out.

Obama has thrown away what little credibility he had left and if you're covering for him you have too.

Respect yourself enough to call him out rather than cover for him.

He also told us we won't see death panels....

$ paying more, getting less...Obamacare.


Serious question: do you really, honestly believe that the sick will be brought before a panel of bureaucrats who will decide who lives and who dies?
 
2013-11-05 12:20:00 PM  

Elegy: CPennypacker: Elegy: CPennypacker: Elegy: bartink: Elegy: Ah, I see.

You're mad because republicans played by the rules.

The rules Obama himself established in his signature piece of legislation that his administration put forward, got passed, and signed into law.

"Play by the rules" now means farking over your constituents to score political points.

Got it.

That doesn't even make sense

By simple logic, republican representatives were elected by the proportion of people that (largely) do not want to see the ACA enacted.

Opposing the implementation of the ACA would therefore be doing exactly what your constituents elected you to do.

They told their stupid constituents that its what they wanted. It has nothing to do with whats actually best for them.

So you know what's better for the self-interest of the 50% of Americans that vote republican than those people do themselves?

That's not paternalistic and condescending at ALL.

I'm sorry, did I stutter when I called them idiots?

(Shrug) Ok then.

I suppose I'm ok with ignoring the wishes of the white conservatives in the suburb, as long we can mutually agree to keep poor inner city blacks out of politics.

After all, if the middle class conservatives - with their private schools and 2 parent homes - are so stupid they don't even know what is in their own self-interest, how much stupider must the people raised in poverty in the inner city be?

It's for their own good, after all.


This is dumb for lots of reasons, including that wealth doesn't equal intleligence and neither does race, but you must realize that the right would lose out bigtime if this agreement was struck
 
2013-11-05 12:21:47 PM  

crab66: The reality is that the only people who are losing their coverage don't have real insurance. They have absolute bare-bones disaster coverage that does basically nothing unless you are close to death.


But I liked it! It came with a fancy brochure and they just take payments of 59.99 a mknth out of my bank account. I don't even have to think about it!
 
2013-11-05 12:24:09 PM  

udhq: Tyee: Bait and switch, pure and simple.

The people who fought against Obamacare saw this coming, how could he have not?

What else?
We're not seeing the average family saving $2,500.00.  More like they are paying that much more, a $5K swing.
We're not being able to keep you plan that you like.
Many already know their Dr. will change and many more will find that out.

Obama has thrown away what little credibility he had left and if you're covering for him you have too.

Respect yourself enough to call him out rather than cover for him.

He also told us we won't see death panels....

$ paying more, getting less...Obamacare.

Serious question: do you really, honestly believe that the sick will be brought before a panel of bureaucrats who will decide who lives and who dies?


They already were prior to the enactment of ObamaCare. We just happen to call those panels of bureaucrats by names like insurance company precertification boards and hospital transplant committees.
 
2013-11-05 12:24:23 PM  
Just as I expected, not a single one of you even bothered to look much less click on a link.

Maybe you self righteous pricks can come up with someone else to make your donation for you.
 
2013-11-05 12:25:57 PM  

CPennypacker: Elegy: CPennypacker: Elegy: CPennypacker: Elegy: bartink: Elegy: Ah, I see.

You're mad because republicans played by the rules.

The rules Obama himself established in his signature piece of legislation that his administration put forward, got passed, and signed into law.

"Play by the rules" now means farking over your constituents to score political points.

Got it.

That doesn't even make sense

By simple logic, republican representatives were elected by the proportion of people that (largely) do not want to see the ACA enacted.

Opposing the implementation of the ACA would therefore be doing exactly what your constituents elected you to do.

They told their stupid constituents that its what they wanted. It has nothing to do with whats actually best for them.

So you know what's better for the self-interest of the 50% of Americans that vote republican than those people do themselves?

That's not paternalistic and condescending at ALL.

I'm sorry, did I stutter when I called them idiots?

(Shrug) Ok then.

I suppose I'm ok with ignoring the wishes of the white conservatives in the suburb, as long we can mutually agree to keep poor inner city blacks out of politics.

After all, if the middle class conservatives - with their private schools and 2 parent homes - are so stupid they don't even know what is in their own self-interest, how much stupider must the people raised in poverty in the inner city be?

It's for their own good, after all.

This is dumb for lots of reasons, including that wealth doesn't equal intleligence and neither does race, but you must realize that the right would lose out bigtime if this agreement was struck


It was more a satirical commentary on where the mindset of paternalism takes us, politically.

The fact that it went entirely over your head and you took it at face value is just icing on the funny cake.
 
2013-11-05 12:26:56 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Just as I expected, not a single one of you even bothered to look much less click on a link.

Maybe you self righteous pricks can come up with someone else to make your donation for you.


DEY TUK ERR MANNEH
 
2013-11-05 12:27:02 PM  

coeyagi: Fart_Machine: Dancin_In_Anson: If she wants to have an abortion that's her decision to make. Not mine or yours. Nor is it you place or my place to pay for it.

It's a good thing that isn't happening.

Awesome, so to make their point, the usual liars are doing the old "Death Panels" and "Abortions" dance.

F*CK ALL OF YOU CLOWNS.

You have nothing, you've resorted to easily-debunked lies.

If you want to help keep costs down in ACA, I suggest seppuku.


'But Officer! I only went through seven red lights and hit 3 people at 95MPH because I was trying to catch this guy who may or may not went through a yellow which turned red while going the speed limit!'
 
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