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2013-11-05 11:40:18 AM

Madbassist1: Everytime that moron goes to the emergency room, he's making ME pay for it fark him, and fark you.


No, you have taken it upon yourself that you are responsible so go fark yourself.
 
2013-11-05 11:40:57 AM

Elegy: By simple logic, republican representatives were elected by the proportion of people that (largely) do not want to see the ACA enacted.

Opposing the implementation of the ACA would therefore be doing exactly what your constituents elected you to do.


The constituents elect reps to see to their best interests, lying to your people to convince them that the nibong is out to get them, and keeping your people from being able to afford health care so you can get reelected is not their best interests.
 
2013-11-05 11:41:01 AM

HeadLever: Kuroshin: The insurance companies chose to eliminate legacy policies for their own reasons.

Yeah, like they don't comply to all the requirements of the ACA.  Hence they need to be cancelled and replaced with something else.

My awesome policy was replaced with a middle of the road policy for $60/mo more.


That is a lie.

Those plans were grandfathered in.  If your insurance company wished to continue offering it to you, they could have.

Your insurance company chose not to.  That isn't the fault of the FedGov, the ACA, or Obama.  He did not lie.
 
2013-11-05 11:41:17 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-11-05 11:41:31 AM

pueblonative: xanadian: DROxINxTHExWIND: I don't think it was a lie, so much as it was an, "Oops, didn't see THAT coming."

Exactly.

Though I fault him more for thinking that the insurance companies would behave ethically and honestly rather than trying to rape their customers one last more time.  Also he couldn't have predicted the Supreme Court saying the states don't have to expand their Medicare.


Umm his administration wrote the regulations that are causing the policies to be cancelled
 
2013-11-05 11:41:51 AM

Dancin_In_Anson: Aldon: If the taxpayer is going to pay for healtcare anyway,

Well, there's your problem.


Apparently Dancin_In_Anson supports abolishing not just ObamaCare, but CHIP, the Veterans Health Administration, TRICARE, Medicare, Medicaid, the employer-sponsored health insurance tax exclusion, the medical care expenses tax deduction, and EMTALA.
 
2013-11-05 11:41:53 AM

Dancin_In_Anson: Serious Black: The alternative would be if somebody shows up to the hospital suffering from a heart attack, the doctors should do a wallet biopsy and figure out if his insurance covers emergency cardiology care before they pump him full of anticoagulants.

I'll ask you again: Dancin_In_Anson: Who the fark are you to determine what's best for someone you don't even farking know?

And then make them pay for it.


That would have been Reagan when he signed COBRA of 1985 which included the EMTALA that madates ERs must provide care regardless of the ability to pay if it is an emergent situation.  Further it states that it is not a criminal act to go for care knowing that you do not have the ability to pay.

So there it is.  Reagan made it so that a person could get care and force somebody else to pay for it.  What a farking libby lib lib.
 
2013-11-05 11:41:56 AM
Mine is being cancelled December 31. New York Life is getting out of health care business
I liked it
High deductible which I used a savings account to deal with

Won't get a subsidy. Not sure what replacement policy will cost

Reserving anger until I get a quote on new policy
 
2013-11-05 11:42:19 AM
Yeah, like they don't comply to all the requirements of the ACA.  Hence they need to be cancelled and replaced with something else.

this is a lie of course

if your plan existed before the law took effect in 2010, it is grandfathered in
 
2013-11-05 11:42:33 AM

CPennypacker: Elegy: bartink: Elegy: Ah, I see.

You're mad because republicans played by the rules.

The rules Obama himself established in his signature piece of legislation that his administration put forward, got passed, and signed into law.

"Play by the rules" now means farking over your constituents to score political points.

Got it.

That doesn't even make sense

By simple logic, republican representatives were elected by the proportion of people that (largely) do not want to see the ACA enacted.

Opposing the implementation of the ACA would therefore be doing exactly what your constituents elected you to do.

They told their stupid constituents that its what they wanted. It has nothing to do with whats actually best for them.


So you know what's better for the self-interest of the 50% of Americans that vote republican than those people do themselves?

That's not paternalistic and condescending at ALL.
 
2013-11-05 11:42:37 AM

Dancin_In_Anson: ManateeGag: you mean like when it comes to abortion and birth control?

Yep. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.


so, you're saying, if a woman is going to die of she doesn't abort a fetus (that she would absolutely keep if it wasn't going to kill her), fark her, she made her bed and should lay in it.
 
2013-11-05 11:43:34 AM

sprawl15: [i.imgur.com image 576x255]


hey!  New Torg pictures!  where do you people get these?
 
2013-11-05 11:43:42 AM

MugzyBrown: InmanRoshi: [a5.img.talkingpointsmemo.com image 652x365]

Unaffected = huge rate increase


where are these huge rate increases? My plan went up 50 bucks. I purchase my own insurance, unlike the vast majority of you uninformed whiners, and these huge rate increases just arent happening for me. Granted, I like my plan and havent shopped around on the exchanges, but an extra 50 bucks tacked on to my premium so EVERYONE can be insured? Hell yes, I'll pay it. I'm human, after all.
 
2013-11-05 11:44:02 AM

Dancin_In_Anson: sprawl15: so is this you on record saying you want uninsured/underinsured people to just go off somewhere and die

Nope.


Dancin_In_Anson: Aldon: If the taxpayer is going to pay for healtcare anyway,

Well, there's your problem.


you do know that the health care fairy is not real right

your parents were lying to you

they actually were paying the bills
 
2013-11-05 11:44:03 AM

Dancin_In_Anson: Aldon: If the taxpayer is going to pay for healtcare anyway,

Well, there's your problem.


Instead of repealing Obummercare 50 times why not spend your political capital writing law that allows doctors and hospitals to refuse treatment to people who can't afford it? that's what you are arguing for here right?
 
2013-11-05 11:44:18 AM

ManateeGag: sprawl15: [i.imgur.com image 576x255]

hey!  New Torg pictures!  where do you people get these?


it isn't new, i just edited one that I had made during the last election

i.imgur.com
 
2013-11-05 11:44:37 AM

Jacobin: Mine is being cancelled December 31. New York Life is getting out of health care business
I liked it
High deductible which I used a savings account to deal with

Won't get a subsidy. Not sure what replacement policy will cost

Reserving anger until I get a quote on new policy


If you're under 30 or over 30 but make less than a certain amount, you can still get a catastrophic health care plan instead of a Bronze or higher plan.
 
2013-11-05 11:44:50 AM

Jackson Herring: Seriously, just for a second escape your echo chamber and ask yourself how you'd react if the insurance companies had made these promises directly to consumers, and then revealed that they knew that for 5-10% of people, it was simply untrue.

and here is the big lie again

in reality, if you had a plan prior to 2010 that you liked, it was and still is grandfathered in even if it doesn't meet the standards of the ACA

the government has no control over whether your shiatty insurance company changed your farking plan so that it could no longer be grandfathered in


But due to the ACA, the insurance companies had no choice but to change their plans...leading to people being dropped from insurance.

This is all due to the implementation of Obamacare.
 
2013-11-05 11:45:00 AM

Dancin_In_Anson: Madbassist1: Everytime that moron goes to the emergency room, he's making ME pay for it fark him, and fark you.

No, you have taken it upon yourself that you are responsible so go fark yourself.


that is intellectually dishonest and you know it, asshole. You can sign papers till you're blue in the face SAYING you'll pay, but you arent paying. You know this. fark you, you lying piece of shiat.
 
2013-11-05 11:45:05 AM

Jackson Herring: Yeah, like they don't comply to all the requirements of the ACA.  Hence they need to be cancelled and replaced with something else.

this is a lie of course

if your plan existed before the law took effect in 2010, it is grandfathered in


If it exists exactly like it did before in 2010, it is grandfathered in.  Considering insurance policies almost always change a bit from year to year, the grandfathering clause is worthless for many people.
 
2013-11-05 11:45:10 AM

ManateeGag: sprawl15: [i.imgur.com image 576x255]

hey!  New Torg pictures!  where do you people get these?


i stole it from jackson's post in the dont thread on me
 
2013-11-05 11:45:29 AM
Guys, the important takeaway from this thread is that everyone paid for their own medical bills until Obama came along
 
2013-11-05 11:45:31 AM

Elegy: CPennypacker: Elegy: bartink: Elegy: Ah, I see.

You're mad because republicans played by the rules.

The rules Obama himself established in his signature piece of legislation that his administration put forward, got passed, and signed into law.

"Play by the rules" now means farking over your constituents to score political points.

Got it.

That doesn't even make sense

By simple logic, republican representatives were elected by the proportion of people that (largely) do not want to see the ACA enacted.

Opposing the implementation of the ACA would therefore be doing exactly what your constituents elected you to do.

They told their stupid constituents that its what they wanted. It has nothing to do with whats actually best for them.

So you know what's better for the self-interest of the 50% of Americans that vote republican than those people do themselves?

That's not paternalistic and condescending at ALL.


I'm sorry, did I stutter when I called them idiots?
 
2013-11-05 11:45:47 AM

Elegy: CPennypacker: Elegy: bartink: Elegy: Ah, I see.

You're mad because republicans played by the rules.

The rules Obama himself established in his signature piece of legislation that his administration put forward, got passed, and signed into law.

"Play by the rules" now means farking over your constituents to score political points.

Got it.

That doesn't even make sense

By simple logic, republican representatives were elected by the proportion of people that (largely) do not want to see the ACA enacted.

Opposing the implementation of the ACA would therefore be doing exactly what your constituents elected you to do.

They told their stupid constituents that its what they wanted. It has nothing to do with whats actually best for them.

So you know what's better for the self-interest of the 50% of Americans that vote republican than those people do themselves?

That's not paternalistic and condescending at ALL.


Um 50% of the population didnt vote in favor of forming a suicide pact to shut down the ACA by any means necessary.
 
2013-11-05 11:45:55 AM
This is a big f*cking deal.
 
2013-11-05 11:46:15 AM

Headso: Dancin_In_Anson: Aldon: If the taxpayer is going to pay for healtcare anyway,

Well, there's your problem.

Instead of repealing Obummercare 50 times why not spend your political capital writing law that allows doctors and hospitals to refuse treatment to people who can't afford it? that's what you are arguing for here right?


Shh. His answers are supposed to be taken compartmentalized, without looking at the results of those answers beyond the most obvious and direct situations. There are no externalities, there is no social contract, there are no price adjustments based on rates of bill collection, everything is its own neat little packet and you can feel good about it.
 
2013-11-05 11:46:25 AM

sprawl15: ManateeGag: sprawl15: [i.imgur.com image 576x255]

hey!  New Torg pictures!  where do you people get these?

i stole it from jackson's post in the dont thread on me


but really torg belongs to everyone so 'stole' is a bit harsh
 
2013-11-05 11:46:53 AM

skullkrusher: Mikey1969: sprawl15: the fascinating point here is how upset people are that a promise that the government won't take your health insurance plan away from you doesn't extend to insurance companies choosing of their own volition to discontinue people's plans

Yep, this is a farking case study in goddam semantics.

Not really


Yes, really. He didn't quite phrase the shiat in a way that makes the mentally inferior happy. He didn't "lie", he didn't "twist the truth", he just phrased it in a way that lets people cream in their piss-stained panties. It's a semantic argument.

He never took anyone's insurance away.
Most of the policies canceled weren't actually "insurance" in any way.
The insurance companies have had 2 years to plan for this and change their plans accordingly.

This whole argument is being backed by a bunch of desperate morons without 2 brain cells to rub together, and it's one of the weakest arguments anyone has come up with yet.
 
2013-11-05 11:47:03 AM

Madbassist1: where are these huge rate increases? My plan went up 50 bucks. I purchase my own insurance, unlike the vast majority of you uninformed whiners, and these huge rate increases just arent happening for me. Granted, I like my plan and havent shopped around on the exchanges, but an extra 50 bucks tacked on to my premium so EVERYONE can be insured? Hell yes, I'll pay it. I'm human, after all.


My former employer's plan is up 11%.  My current employer's plan would have increased 40% if we waited until 1/1 to renew it.  We did an early renewal so that it only increased 6%.
 
2013-11-05 11:47:37 AM

MugzyBrown: If it exists exactly like it did before in 2010, it is grandfathered in.  Considering insurance policies almost always change a bit from year to year, the grandfathering clause is worthless for many people.


So if you no longer have the health care plan you liked because it was  changed, you no longer have the health care plan you like?
 
2013-11-05 11:47:45 AM

MugzyBrown: pueblonative: xanadian: DROxINxTHExWIND: I don't think it was a lie, so much as it was an, "Oops, didn't see THAT coming."

Exactly.

Though I fault him more for thinking that the insurance companies would behave ethically and honestly rather than trying to rape their customers one last more time.  Also he couldn't have predicted the Supreme Court saying the states don't have to expand their Medicare.

Umm his administration wrote the regulations that are causing the policies to be cancelled


And what were those regulations again?

- May not significantly cut or reduce benefits (e.g. removing coverage for cystic fibrosis),
- May not raise co-insurance charges (any change at all),
- May not significantly increase co-payment charges ($5 or more beyond medical inflation),
- May not significantly raise deductibles (15% or more beyond medical inflation),
- May not significantly decrease the employer contribution (5% or more),
- May not tighten the annual limit of what the insurer will pay, and
- May not change insurance providers.

If the insurance plan you had with X in March 2010 went from a $1,000 deductible to a $3,000 in 2014, doubled your coinsurance from 15% to 30%, and dropped the annual limit from $500,000 to $250,000, is it really the same insurance plan you had back in 2010?
 
2013-11-05 11:48:22 AM

Bloody William: So if you no longer have the health care plan you liked because it was  changed, you no longer have the health care plan you like?


Minor changes happen every year.  Cancellations do not.
 
2013-11-05 11:48:57 AM

Mikey1969: skullkrusher: Mikey1969: sprawl15: the fascinating point here is how upset people are that a promise that the government won't take your health insurance plan away from you doesn't extend to insurance companies choosing of their own volition to discontinue people's plans

Yep, this is a farking case study in goddam semantics.

Not really

Yes, really. He didn't quite phrase the shiat in a way that makes the mentally inferior happy. He didn't "lie", he didn't "twist the truth", he just phrased it in a way that lets people cream in their piss-stained panties. It's a semantic argument.

He never took anyone's insurance away.
Most of the policies canceled weren't actually "insurance" in any way.
The insurance companies have had 2 years to plan for this and change their plans accordingly.

This whole argument is being backed by a bunch of desperate morons without 2 brain cells to rub together, and it's one of the weakest arguments anyone has come up with yet.


Nah, he phrased it in a way to make his statement "false"
 
2013-11-05 11:48:58 AM

ferretman: Jackson Herring: Seriously, just for a second escape your echo chamber and ask yourself how you'd react if the insurance companies had made these promises directly to consumers, and then revealed that they knew that for 5-10% of people, it was simply untrue.

and here is the big lie again

in reality, if you had a plan prior to 2010 that you liked, it was and still is grandfathered in even if it doesn't meet the standards of the ACA

the government has no control over whether your shiatty insurance company changed your farking plan so that it could no longer be grandfathered in

But due to the ACA, the insurance companies had no choice but to change their plans...leading to people being dropped from insurance.

This is all due to the implementation of Obamacare.


Obama lied! people got better health insurance with the help of subsidies! rolls right off the tongue...
 
2013-11-05 11:49:09 AM

Mikey1969: skullkrusher: Mikey1969: sprawl15: the fascinating point here is how upset people are that a promise that the government won't take your health insurance plan away from you doesn't extend to insurance companies choosing of their own volition to discontinue people's plans

Yep, this is a farking case study in goddam semantics.

Not really

Yes, really. He didn't quite phrase the shiat in a way that makes the mentally inferior happy. He didn't "lie", he didn't "twist the truth", he just phrased it in a way that lets people cream in their piss-stained panties. It's a semantic argument.

He never took anyone's insurance away.
Most of the policies canceled weren't actually "insurance" in any way.
The insurance companies have had 2 years to plan for this and change their plans accordingly.

This whole argument is being backed by a bunch of desperate morons without 2 brain cells to rub together, and it's one of the weakest arguments anyone has come up with yet.


And now you get a pretty color and SMART tag too.
 
2013-11-05 11:49:57 AM

Serious Black: And what were those regulations again?


I still think you're making a pretty big rhetorical mistake by not including "no more rescission" and explaining that rescission is when an insurance company suddenly drops you from their coverage and shifts costs incurred back to you even if your plan would have covered them.
 
2013-11-05 11:50:13 AM

Mikey1969: skullkrusher: Mikey1969: sprawl15: the fascinating point here is how upset people are that a promise that the government won't take your health insurance plan away from you doesn't extend to insurance companies choosing of their own volition to discontinue people's plans

Yep, this is a farking case study in goddam semantics.

Not really

Yes, really. He didn't quite phrase the shiat in a way that makes the mentally inferior happy. He didn't "lie", he didn't "twist the truth", he just phrased it in a way that lets people cream in their piss-stained panties. It's a semantic argument.

He never took anyone's insurance away.
Most of the policies canceled weren't actually "insurance" in any way.
The insurance companies have had 2 years to plan for this and change their plans accordingly.

This whole argument is being backed by a bunch of desperate morons without 2 brain cells to rub together, and it's one of the weakest arguments anyone has come up with yet.




It reminds me very much of the flap over "You didn't build that."
 
2013-11-05 11:50:27 AM

Elegy: CPennypacker: Elegy: bartink: Elegy: Ah, I see.

You're mad because republicans played by the rules.

The rules Obama himself established in his signature piece of legislation that his administration put forward, got passed, and signed into law.

"Play by the rules" now means farking over your constituents to score political points.

Got it.

That doesn't even make sense

By simple logic, republican representatives were elected by the proportion of people that (largely) do not want to see the ACA enacted.

Opposing the implementation of the ACA would therefore be doing exactly what your constituents elected you to do.

They told their stupid constituents that its what they wanted. It has nothing to do with whats actually best for them.

So you know what's better for the self-interest of the 50% of Americans that vote republican than those people do themselves?

That's not paternalistic and condescending at ALL.


WHY WON'T OBAMA SELL ME SPOILED MEAT?
 
2013-11-05 11:50:31 AM
But due to the ACA, the insurance companies had no choice but to change their plans...leading to people being dropped from insurance.

holy shiat

can you read

this is literally the exact opposite of reality
 
2013-11-05 11:51:18 AM
The Liar in Chief

And that's where I stopped reading.
 
2013-11-05 11:51:51 AM

Garet Garrett: HotWingConspiracy: You lost, get over it.

You know what it's called when you get something by lying in order to deliberately manipulate someone else into giving it to you?

Seriously, just for a second escape your echo chamber and ask yourself how you'd react if the insurance companies had made these promises directly to consumers, and then revealed that they knew that for 5-10% of people, it was simply untrue.


I live in hurricane alley and have been familiar with that practice (storm policy) for 30 years
you know how * I * react?
"well, f*k" - here we go again"
this is also true for the vast majority of health insurance policies
 
2013-11-05 11:52:12 AM

Dancin_In_Anson: swaniefrmreddeer: Funny thing is, most of these people whose insurance has been canceled didn't have health insurance worth a flying f*ck to begin with.

Who the fark are you to determine what's best for someone you don't even farking know?

And then make them pay for it.


Because one of the great "examples" they used of someone who got cancelled had a plan as follows:

$54/month premium.

For that $54/month, she got:

$50 towards a doctor's visit. No, not a copay, no not a reduction to $50 on her part. No, not a negotiated price. They paid $50, which probably about covers a well visit. Nothing else. Anything more, she loses money.

$15 towards a prescription. No, not a $15 'script, just $15 towards what could easily be a $50 fill.

$50 towards a hospital visit, IF it was a visit related to "complications" from pregnancy.

Mammograms and a few cancer screenings.

IN other words, it doesn't matter "who you are", it's pretty easy to determine that any "insurance" that will leave you owing thousands while covering $50 and costing you $648/year isn't "insurance". You aren't insuring against ANYTHING, so it isn't insurance by definition.

Keep in mind, this was one of the "poster boy" cases the antis drug out.
 
2013-11-05 11:53:26 AM

Dancin_In_Anson: swaniefrmreddeer: Funny thing is, most of these people whose insurance has been canceled didn't have health insurance worth a flying f*ck to begin with.

Who the fark are you to determine what's best for someone you don't even farking know?

And then make them pay for it.


Do you have no social conscience? You have a, "I've got mine mentality", f*ck paying for those who through mental illness, disability, or being dealt a sh*tty hand hand in life cannot afford even basic healthcare. If caring about people is wrong, I don't want to be right you self centered douche bag.
 
2013-11-05 11:53:28 AM
Sure you can keep your health care plan.

But the wonderful hand of the free market doesn't have to keep giving it to you.
/Trickle down baby. Trickle down.
 
2013-11-05 11:53:47 AM

MugzyBrown: Bloody William: So if you no longer have the health care plan you liked because it was  changed, you no longer have the health care plan you like?

Minor changes happen every year.  Cancellations do not.


They're still changes. So, logically, you no longer have the plan you liked anyway. He didn't say "you can keep your health care plan if you like it, and I can guarantee it will never change based on the decisions of insurance providers."
 
2013-11-05 11:53:55 AM

Serious Black: - May not significantly cut or reduce benefits (e.g. removing coverage for cystic fibrosis),
- May not raise co-insurance charges (any change at all),
- May not significantly increase co-payment charges ($5 or more beyond medical inflation),
- May not significantly raise deductibles (15% or more beyond medical inflation),
- May not significantly decrease the employer contribution (5% or more),
- May not tighten the annual limit of what the insurer will pay, and
- May not change insurance providers.


quotin' this

stop lying about obamcare you subhuman farks
 
2013-11-05 11:54:53 AM

CPennypacker: Elegy: CPennypacker: Elegy: bartink: Elegy: Ah, I see.

You're mad because republicans played by the rules.

The rules Obama himself established in his signature piece of legislation that his administration put forward, got passed, and signed into law.

"Play by the rules" now means farking over your constituents to score political points.

Got it.

That doesn't even make sense

By simple logic, republican representatives were elected by the proportion of people that (largely) do not want to see the ACA enacted.

Opposing the implementation of the ACA would therefore be doing exactly what your constituents elected you to do.

They told their stupid constituents that its what they wanted. It has nothing to do with whats actually best for them.

So you know what's better for the self-interest of the 50% of Americans that vote republican than those people do themselves?

That's not paternalistic and condescending at ALL.

I'm sorry, did I stutter when I called them idiots?


(Shrug) Ok then.

I suppose I'm ok with ignoring the wishes of the white conservatives in the suburb, as long we can mutually agree to keep poor inner city blacks out of politics.

After all, if the middle class conservatives - with their private schools and 2 parent homes - are so stupid they don't even know what is in their own self-interest, how much stupider must the people raised in poverty in the inner city be?

It's for their own good, after all.
 
2013-11-05 11:54:56 AM

sprawl15: Serious Black: And what were those regulations again?

I still think you're making a pretty big rhetorical mistake by not including "no more rescission" and explaining that rescission is when an insurance company suddenly drops you from their coverage and shifts costs incurred back to you even if your plan would have covered them.


Recission is a rule that even grandfathered plans have to adhere to. Others include a ban on lifetime coverage limits, covering dependents until they turn 26, meeting a minimum medical loss ratio, and providing short, standardized statements of benefits and coverage to beneficiaries.
 
2013-11-05 11:55:03 AM
scottymac:   So, so sweet.

I think you'll enjoy this.  And this.
 
2013-11-05 11:55:25 AM

swaniefrmreddeer: Do you have no social conscience?


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