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(The Daily Caller)   The Liar in Chief suddenly doesn't recall saying you can keep your health-care plan. Fark: 29 times. Double-down: Videotaped   (dailycaller.com) divider line 386
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2013-11-05 11:22:21 AM  

Jackson Herring: sprawl15: the fascinating point here is how upset people are that a promise that the government won't take your health insurance plan away from you doesn't extend to insurance companies choosing of their own volition to discontinue people's plans

ELFBAMA LEID


Needs more fat dog.
 
2013-11-05 11:22:27 AM  

Dancin_In_Anson: djkutch: Who the fark are you to not hold individuals to a basic level of personal responsibility?

Like letting them make their own decisions and living with the consequences?


They can still make their own decisions. They cannot decide to purchase things that aren't offered, though. That's not how reality works.
 
2013-11-05 11:22:52 AM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Serious Black: I'm the guy paying tons of money in taxes and tons more money in increased insurance premiums because they made a short-sighted decision not to get insurance coverage for some life-saving treatment and then stuck me with the bill!

That's what you get for thinking that you have to be responsible for someone else's shiatty decisions.


so is this you on record saying you want uninsured/underinsured people to just go off somewhere and die
 
2013-11-05 11:23:01 AM  

Dancin_In_Anson: djkutch: Who the fark are you to not hold individuals to a basic level of personal responsibility?

Like letting them make their own decisions and living with the consequences?


You forgot to mention if you were going to pay the ER bills for people without insurance.

I'd pitch in for you. On the other hand, you are the perfect example of a compassionate conservative.
 
2013-11-05 11:23:02 AM  

CPennypacker: Every single person complaining about this lie is unaffected by it in the slightest


Really?  Do you know my situation?  Look above for my 'unaffected' insurance policy.

You need to change your handle to 'Bagdad Bob'.  Maybe I'll just farkie you as such.
 
2013-11-05 11:23:08 AM  
fark off, nut dick
 
2013-11-05 11:23:23 AM  

sprawl15: the fascinating point here is how upset people are that a promise that the government won't take your health insurance plan away from you doesn't extend to insurance companies choosing of their own volition to discontinue people's plans


you should have posted this in a larger font - in bold - underlined
twice
 
2013-11-05 11:24:12 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: You lost, get over it.


You know what it's called when you get something by lying in order to deliberately manipulate someone else into giving it to you?

Seriously, just for a second escape your echo chamber and ask yourself how you'd react if the insurance companies had made these promises directly to consumers, and then revealed that they knew that for 5-10% of people, it was simply untrue.
 
2013-11-05 11:24:29 AM  

Elegy: Stile4aly: Elegy: FTFA:He did confess that he and his aides may have made some mistakes, such as failing to manage the development of the Obamacare website.

"We got [Obamacare] done. Now, let's face it, a lot of us didn't realize that passing the law was the easy part."

LOLWUT? What the fark did you think would happen - you'd pass the law and the magical fairies of liberalism would take care of everything else?

He rightly understood he would face massive political challenges in the passage of the law, despite having unprecedented majorities in the Congress.  Once the law was passed, he expected most states would act rationally and take vast amounts of federal money to tailor the health care law to their states needs.

See if you can identify his mistake.

His mistake was thinking the magical fairies of liberalism would take care of everything, over the stiff and vigorous opposition of the opposing party?


So you're arguing that the "magical fairies of liberalism" equates to "act rationally"

Good to know, good to know.
 
2013-11-05 11:24:45 AM  

Serious Black: Dancin_In_Anson: swaniefrmreddeer: Funny thing is, most of these people whose insurance has been canceled didn't have health insurance worth a flying f*ck to begin with.

Who the fark are you to determine what's best for someone you don't even farking know?

And then make them pay for it.

The alternative would be if somebody shows up to the hospital suffering from a heart attack, the doctors should do a wallet biopsy and figure out if his insurance covers emergency cardiology care before they pump him full of anticoagulants.


How dare those doctors determine what's best for someone they don't even farking know? And then make them (or someone else) pay for it.
 
2013-11-05 11:24:56 AM  

Stile4aly: Why is the government forcing me to buy filet mignon?


they're not even making you buy filet mignon.  you can get chopped meat, you just can't get the chopped meat with worms in it and mold covering it.
 
2013-11-05 11:25:07 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Dancin_In_Anson: djkutch: Who the fark are you to not hold individuals to a basic level of personal responsibility?

Like letting them make their own decisions and living with the consequences?

They can still make their own decisions. They cannot decide to purchase things that aren't offered, though. That's not how reality works.


assets.diylol.com
 
2013-11-05 11:25:09 AM  

sprawl15: so is this you on record saying you want uninsured/underinsured people to just go off somewhere and die


And people say there's no Republican alternative
 
2013-11-05 11:26:03 AM  

BunkoSquad: sprawl15: so is this you on record saying you want uninsured/underinsured people to just go off somewhere and die

And people say there's no Republican alternative


antibiotics aren't in the constitution

audit the fed
 
2013-11-05 11:26:35 AM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Serious Black: I'm the guy paying tons of money in taxes and tons more money in increased insurance premiums because they made a short-sighted decision not to get insurance coverage for some life-saving treatment and then stuck me with the bill!

That's what you get for thinking that you have to be responsible for someone else's shiatty decisions.


I think all human beings have dignity. I think all human beings deserve the right to live, including the statutory right to basic health care that will save their life and promote their well-being. Even the exceptionally uncharitable and the short-sighted.
 
2013-11-05 11:26:36 AM  

Garet Garrett: HotWingConspiracy: You lost, get over it.

You know what it's called when you get something by lying in order to deliberately manipulate someone else into giving it to you?


Success?

Seriously, just for a second escape your echo chamber and ask yourself how you'd react if the insurance companies had made these promises directly to consumers, and then revealed that they knew that for 5-10% of people, it was simply untrue.

That would have been preferable to their business practices prior to ACA reforms.
 
2013-11-05 11:27:52 AM  

Garet Garrett: HotWingConspiracy: You lost, get over it.

You know what it's called when you get something by lying in order to deliberately manipulate someone else into giving it to you?

Seriously, just for a second escape your echo chamber and ask yourself how you'd react if the insurance companies had made these promises directly to consumers, and then revealed that they knew that for 5-10% of people, it was simply untrue.


You mean like the insurance companies do already?
 
2013-11-05 11:28:55 AM  

Stile4aly: Elegy: Stile4aly: Elegy: FTFA:He did confess that he and his aides may have made some mistakes, such as failing to manage the development of the Obamacare website.

"We got [Obamacare] done. Now, let's face it, a lot of us didn't realize that passing the law was the easy part."

LOLWUT? What the fark did you think would happen - you'd pass the law and the magical fairies of liberalism would take care of everything else?

He rightly understood he would face massive political challenges in the passage of the law, despite having unprecedented majorities in the Congress.  Once the law was passed, he expected most states would act rationally and take vast amounts of federal money to tailor the health care law to their states needs.

See if you can identify his mistake.

His mistake was thinking the magical fairies of liberalism would take care of everything, over the stiff and vigorous opposition of the opposing party?

Oh, I'm sorry.  The correct answer was expecting the states, particularly Republican states, to act rationally.

The federal exchange website has technical issues which makes it the first complex tech project in history to have defects.  The exchange sites which were built at the state level are working great.


Ah, I see.

You're mad because republicans played by the rules.

The rules Obama himself established in his signature piece of legislation that his administration put forward, got passed, and signed into law.
 
2013-11-05 11:28:56 AM  

bdub77: Here's what it comes down to. Did Obama lie? Yes. Should he admit he lied? Yes.

BUT. The vast majority of Americans do get to keep their health insurance through their employer. Another good percentage of those that buy their own health insurance also get to keep their health insurance. And the ones who don't get to keep their health insurance have better coverage because the other plans didn't meet basic requirements.


I think this is only due to the employer insurance plan being delayed for a year. You can't see the total effect of Obamacare on businesses until they have to actually participate in the program.
 
2013-11-05 11:29:26 AM  

sprawl15: the fascinating point here is how upset people are that a promise that the government won't take your health insurance plan away from you doesn't extend to insurance companies choosing of their own volition to discontinue people's plans


Yep, this is a farking case study in goddam semantics.
 
2013-11-05 11:29:30 AM  

Dancin_In_Anson: djkutch: Who the fark are you to not hold individuals to a basic level of personal responsibility?

Like letting them make their own decisions and living with the consequences?


What exactly do you think happens when someone doesn't pay a hospital bill?
 
2013-11-05 11:29:56 AM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Who the fark are you to determine what's best for someone you don't even farking know?

And then make them pay for it.


since you put it that way, who are you to tell a woman that she needs to have a medical procedure before having a different medical procedure?

Are you going to pay for that?  they aren't farking free you know.
 
2013-11-05 11:30:39 AM  

Dancin_In_Anson: djkutch: Who the fark are you to not hold individuals to a basic level of personal responsibility?

Like letting them make their own decisions and living with the consequences?


you mean like when it comes to abortion and birth control?
 
2013-11-05 11:31:14 AM  

Dancin_In_Anson: djkutch: Who the fark are you to not hold individuals to a basic level of personal responsibility?

Like letting them make their own decisions and living with the consequences?


Except the status quo (which Republicans advocate) is that taxpayers pay for people who have shiatty insurance and can't pay their bills....


If the taxpayer is going to pay for healtcare anyway, I rather not pay for the least effective and most expensive healthcare available.
 
2013-11-05 11:31:24 AM  

Stile4aly: Elegy: FTFA:He did confess that he and his aides may have made some mistakes, such as failing to manage the development of the Obamacare website.

"We got [Obamacare] done. Now, let's face it, a lot of us didn't realize that passing the law was the easy part."

LOLWUT? What the fark did you think would happen - you'd pass the law and the magical fairies of liberalism would take care of everything else?

He rightly understood he would face massive political challenges in the passage of the law, despite having unprecedented majorities in the Congress.  Once the law was passed, he expected most states would act rationally and take vast amounts of federal money to tailor the health care law to their states needs.

See if you can identify his mistake.


He's a Democrat.
He's black.
 
2013-11-05 11:31:57 AM  

vonster: steverockson: The party that cheerleaded the Iraq War even as it became apparent that Bush had lied and manipulated intelligence to sell it so he could send thousand to their deaths can go fark themselves.

I wondered how long it would take for the "B..B..But Bush..." to start. LOL


I realize that you delicate flowers don't like to have your hypocrisy pointed out but somebody had to do it.
 
2013-11-05 11:32:02 AM  

ManateeGag: Stile4aly: Why is the government forcing me to buy filet mignon?

they're not even making you buy filet mignon.  you can get chopped meat, you just can't get the chopped meat with worms in it and mold covering it.


Maybe I like red mold, and worms are full of protein.  But here I am, unable to buy the meat of my choice.  My butcher sent me a letter saying he would no longer be allowed to offer me spoiled meat, but has signed me up for his filet mignon plan.
 
2013-11-05 11:32:04 AM  

crab66: The reality is that the only people who are losing their coverage don't have real insurance. They have absolute bare-bones disaster coverage that does basically nothing unless you are close to death.


This will be the OTHER reality

As this becomes more apparent (and it will the more the administration is forced to say this) the Republicans will have lost this talking point.
It may eventually be understood that, yes, the Republicans shut down the government in order to allow a segment of the population the "right" to overpay for nothing - and that they also, on a state-by-state case, worked actively to deny people coverage once they WERE dropped. There may come a day when some of the more savvy Americans understand some insurance companies were (gasp) interested in making profits rather than health care.

I am not happy with the web site, not happy with the misunderstanding of how many people would be dropped BY INSURANCE carriers, not happy that POTUS hasn't just addressed the nation - but I can't label him a liar-on-purpose about this

frankly? i know where the bear shiat in the woods on this and am over FARK greenlights allowing posters to go "look! watch while I fling MORE urisne poo!"

it's getting tiresome - no more clicks from me about the ACA -
 
2013-11-05 11:32:16 AM  
Seriously, just for a second escape your echo chamber and ask yourself how you'd react if the insurance companies had made these promises directly to consumers, and then revealed that they knew that for 5-10% of people, it was simply untrue.

and here is the big lie again

in reality, if you had a plan prior to 2010 that you liked, it was and still is grandfathered in even if it doesn't meet the standards of the ACA

the government has no control over whether your shiatty insurance company changed your farking plan so that it could no longer be grandfathered in
 
2013-11-05 11:32:44 AM  

Elegy: Ah, I see.

You're mad because republicans played by the rules.

The rules Obama himself established in his signature piece of legislation that his administration put forward, got passed, and signed into law.


"Play by the rules" now means farking over your constituents to score political points.

Got it.
 
2013-11-05 11:32:58 AM  
By the way, where was all the right-wing fauxrage when insurance companies were cancelling peoples policies arbitrarily and denying benefits for the last 70 years?
 
2013-11-05 11:33:00 AM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Serious Black: The alternative would be if somebody shows up to the hospital suffering from a heart attack, the doctors should do a wallet biopsy and figure out if his insurance covers emergency cardiology care before they pump him full of anticoagulants.

I'll ask you again: Dancin_In_Anson: Who the fark are you to determine what's best for someone you don't even farking know?

And then make them pay for it.




You sound angry. That's funny.
 
2013-11-05 11:33:21 AM  

Elegy: Stile4aly: Elegy: Stile4aly: Elegy: FTFA:He did confess that he and his aides may have made some mistakes, such as failing to manage the development of the Obamacare website.

"We got [Obamacare] done. Now, let's face it, a lot of us didn't realize that passing the law was the easy part."

LOLWUT? What the fark did you think would happen - you'd pass the law and the magical fairies of liberalism would take care of everything else?

He rightly understood he would face massive political challenges in the passage of the law, despite having unprecedented majorities in the Congress.  Once the law was passed, he expected most states would act rationally and take vast amounts of federal money to tailor the health care law to their states needs.

See if you can identify his mistake.

His mistake was thinking the magical fairies of liberalism would take care of everything, over the stiff and vigorous opposition of the opposing party?

Oh, I'm sorry.  The correct answer was expecting the states, particularly Republican states, to act rationally.

The federal exchange website has technical issues which makes it the first complex tech project in history to have defects.  The exchange sites which were built at the state level are working great.

Ah, I see.

You're mad because republicans played by the rules.

The rules Obama himself established in his signature piece of legislation that his administration put forward, got passed, and signed into law.


The original legislation approved by the House would have established a single national exchange with a single set of federal insurance regulations. The original legislation moved forward by the Senate would have done the same. Democratic Senators from Republican states, other Republican Senators, and Republican Governors demanded the exchanges and regulations be devolved to the states in exchange for their support. They then welched on the deal by making the federal government establish their exchanges for them and implement their state's insurance regulations, complicating the task by several factors.
 
2013-11-05 11:34:08 AM  

scottymac: Does anyone else find the Fark Politics tab most enjoyable when the Obama faithful are faced with making excuses for "their guy"?

So efficiently ruthless in cutting down the other guys, but when it's the home team, completely different story.

"Yeah, well doesn't matter...'cause those existing plans were crap anyway!"

"The author of that article and/or the organization that published it aren't credible!"

"At least we had a plan!"

So, so sweet.


I voted for Obama twice, something I don't regret considering Bomb Bomb McCain and 47 percent/Binders of Women Romney but that doesn't mean I am faithful to him in anyway when he doesn't do shiat. Indeed, I even disagree with him on several points (GASP). I think Plan B should be sold over the counter, I think we should stop droning everyone to death without any accountability, and I think the NSA should stop spying on everyone (though, the last one isn't entirely his fault considering its a continuation of what past presidents/congress have been doing more or less).

Anyway, I guess my point is what sickens me more than anything about politics is the game that Republicans and Democrats play. Your side won points, yay, you're cheering from the sideline as the bleachers are on fire. Hell, at least your side won some points! That made you feel good! Meanwhile the place is burning around you, and we'd all rather die than work together to put out the fire. No points to be won in that eh?

Now, keep in mind I think the Republicans are full of shiat in a general sense. So if I criticize them more its because their anti-government stance is a lot more problematic than the Democrats general incompetence. Especially if you know, you want the government to run and do its farking job. Either way I am so sick and tired of this "my side" "your side" shiat. Can't we just be you know Americans, and work together like George Washington would of wanted?
 
2013-11-05 11:34:34 AM  

Dancin_In_Anson: swaniefrmreddeer: Funny thing is, most of these people whose insurance has been canceled didn't have health insurance worth a flying f*ck to begin with.

Who the fark are you to determine what's best for someone you don't even farking know?

And then make them pay for it.


Everytime that moron goes to the emergency room, he's making ME pay for it. fark him, and fark you.
 
2013-11-05 11:34:52 AM  

HeadLever: CPennypacker: Every single person complaining about this lie is unaffected by it in the slightest

Really?  Do you know my situation?  Look above for my 'unaffected' insurance policy.

You need to change your handle to 'Bagdad Bob'.  Maybe I'll just farkie you as such.


I mean the rich people talking about it on TV like they  lost their catastrophic plan and now can't afford rice
 
2013-11-05 11:35:09 AM  

Garet Garrett: HotWingConspiracy: You lost, get over it.

You know what it's called when you get something by lying in order to deliberately manipulate someone else into giving it to you?

Seriously, just for a second escape your echo chamber and ask yourself how you'd react if the insurance companies had made these promises directly to consumers, and then revealed that they knew that for 5-10% of people, it was simply untrue.


Are you completely blind to the irony of the question you just asked?

The people losing insurance were largely people who had insurance in name only, that provided little to no coverage. These people may think they were getting a good deal, but I have yet to hear a single anecdote from someone who is losing COVERAGE that they were satisfied with.
 
2013-11-05 11:35:11 AM  

steverockson: By the way, where was all the right-wing fauxrage when insurance companies were cancelling peoples policies arbitrarily and denying benefits for the last 70 years?


Get this - they say that was all ok because "buyer beware" and "you can take your business elsewhere if you don't like it". Questions regarding pre-existing conditions are met with a shrug and a suggestion to join a church.

It's like talking to a retard that is just smart enough to be cruel.
 
2013-11-05 11:35:25 AM  

bartink: Elegy: Ah, I see.

You're mad because republicans played by the rules.

The rules Obama himself established in his signature piece of legislation that his administration put forward, got passed, and signed into law.

"Play by the rules" now means farking over your constituents to score political points.

Got it.


Also Obama established rules that date back to the 70's? There's that time machine again.
 
2013-11-05 11:35:56 AM  

bartink: Elegy: Ah, I see.

You're mad because republicans played by the rules.

The rules Obama himself established in his signature piece of legislation that his administration put forward, got passed, and signed into law.

"Play by the rules" now means farking over your constituents to score political points.

Got it.


That doesn't even make sense

By simple logic, republican representatives were elected by the proportion of people that (largely) do not want to see the ACA enacted.

Opposing the implementation of the ACA would therefore be doing exactly what your constituents elected you to do.
 
2013-11-05 11:36:12 AM  

InmanRoshi: [a5.img.talkingpointsmemo.com image 652x365]


Unaffected = huge rate increase
 
2013-11-05 11:36:39 AM  

Dancin_In_Anson: djkutch: Who the fark are you to not hold individuals to a basic level of personal responsibility?

Like letting them make their own decisions and living with the consequences?


i739.photobucket.com

And yet Republicans got all offended when this logic was explored as policy.
 
2013-11-05 11:36:43 AM  

Mikey1969: sprawl15: the fascinating point here is how upset people are that a promise that the government won't take your health insurance plan away from you doesn't extend to insurance companies choosing of their own volition to discontinue people's plans

Yep, this is a farking case study in goddam semantics.


Not really
 
2013-11-05 11:36:59 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: steverockson: By the way, where was all the right-wing fauxrage when insurance companies were cancelling peoples policies arbitrarily and denying benefits for the last 70 years?

Get this - they say that was all ok because "buyer beware" and "you can take your business elsewhere if you don't like it". Questions regarding pre-existing conditions are met with a shrug and a suggestion to join a church.

It's like talking to a retard that is just smart enough to be cruel.


Exactly.
 
2013-11-05 11:37:09 AM  

Elegy: bartink: Elegy: Ah, I see.

You're mad because republicans played by the rules.

The rules Obama himself established in his signature piece of legislation that his administration put forward, got passed, and signed into law.

"Play by the rules" now means farking over your constituents to score political points.

Got it.

That doesn't even make sense

By simple logic, republican representatives were elected by the proportion of people that (largely) do not want to see the ACA enacted.

Opposing the implementation of the ACA would therefore be doing exactly what your constituents elected you to do.


They told their stupid constituents that its what they wanted. It has nothing to do with whats actually best for them.
 
2013-11-05 11:37:30 AM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: I don't think it was a lie, so much as it was an, "Oops, didn't see THAT coming."


Exactly.
 
2013-11-05 11:38:43 AM  

sprawl15: so is this you on record saying you want uninsured/underinsured people to just go off somewhere and die


Nope. Try again, slugger.

ManateeGag: since you put it that way, who are you to tell a woman that she needs to have a medical procedure before having a different medical procedure?


I don't have any say in what kind of procedure anyone should have done and I think the laws to which you refer that have been put into place are complete and total bullshiat.

ManateeGag: you mean like when it comes to abortion and birth control?


Yep. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.

Aldon: If the taxpayer is going to pay for healtcare anyway,


Well, there's your problem.
 
2013-11-05 11:39:03 AM  

Elegy: Stile4aly: Elegy: Stile4aly: Elegy: FTFA:He did confess that he and his aides may have made some mistakes, such as failing to manage the development of the Obamacare website.

"We got [Obamacare] done. Now, let's face it, a lot of us didn't realize that passing the law was the easy part."

LOLWUT? What the fark did you think would happen - you'd pass the law and the magical fairies of liberalism would take care of everything else?

He rightly understood he would face massive political challenges in the passage of the law, despite having unprecedented majorities in the Congress.  Once the law was passed, he expected most states would act rationally and take vast amounts of federal money to tailor the health care law to their states needs.

See if you can identify his mistake.

His mistake was thinking the magical fairies of liberalism would take care of everything, over the stiff and vigorous opposition of the opposing party?

Oh, I'm sorry.  The correct answer was expecting the states, particularly Republican states, to act rationally.

The federal exchange website has technical issues which makes it the first complex tech project in history to have defects.  The exchange sites which were built at the state level are working great.

Ah, I see.

You're mad because republicans played by the rules.

The rules Obama himself established in his signature piece of legislation that his administration put forward, got passed, and signed into law.


Obama passed a relatively mild version of health reform and the Republicans spent 4 years shiatting themselves.  Now they're complaining that things smell bad and their pants feel strangely full.  I'm not mad, I'm simply pointing out the hypocrisy.
 
2013-11-05 11:40:02 AM  
The Republican plan is the stupidest most expensive kind of Socialized medicine...ER care. Get sick? Just go to the ER, no problem!

Big problem, hospitals write off millions every month in uncollected claims. That's why a band-aid at the hospital costs $20. The more people we get insured, the more people go to their private physicians, get preventative care, the less people show up at the ER for routine treatment or with massive medical emergencies that could have been prevented with a few dollars a month in preventative care.
 
2013-11-05 11:40:17 AM  

xanadian: DROxINxTHExWIND: I don't think it was a lie, so much as it was an, "Oops, didn't see THAT coming."

Exactly.


Though I fault him more for thinking that the insurance companies would behave ethically and honestly rather than trying to rape their customers one last more time.  Also he couldn't have predicted the Supreme Court saying the states don't have to expand their Medicare.
 
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