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(The Daily Caller)   The Liar in Chief suddenly doesn't recall saying you can keep your health-care plan. Fark: 29 times. Double-down: Videotaped   (dailycaller.com ) divider line
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2013-11-05 11:11:17 AM  

Dancin_In_Anson: swaniefrmreddeer: Funny thing is, most of these people whose insurance has been canceled didn't have health insurance worth a flying f*ck to begin with.

Who the fark are you to determine what's best for someone you don't even farking know?

And then make them pay for it.


Who the fark are you to not hold individuals to a basic level of personal responsibility? How about you pay for the inevitable emergency room bills for people without insurance, Captain America?
 
2013-11-05 11:11:18 AM  
Whatever happened to the classic "X is Obama's Katrina" ?
 
2013-11-05 11:11:25 AM  
Obama Lied: A small percentage folk, generally with crappy insurance, will need to get better insurance.
Bush Lied: A smaller percentage of contractors and military folk are dead or maimed all so we could destabilize a country and put it on our credit card.

Obviously both sides are bad
 
2013-11-05 11:11:27 AM  
The overwhelming majority of people support the provisions of the ACA when polled about them as issues. Obama says "If you like your health insurance, you can keep it." One would assume that, if your health insurance doesn't cover these overwhelmingly popular provisions, you don't much care for that health insurance. ACA is passed that mandates insurance cover those things. Insurance companies drop the cut-rate, useless insurance plans. People complain that Obama took away their insurance.
 
2013-11-05 11:11:45 AM  

Serious Black: The alternative would be if somebody shows up to the hospital suffering from a heart attack, the doctors should do a wallet biopsy and figure out if his insurance covers emergency cardiology care before they pump him full of anticoagulants.


I'll ask you again:

Dancin_In_Anson: Who the fark are you to determine what's best for someone you don't even farking know?

And then make them pay for it.

 
2013-11-05 11:12:01 AM  

ox45tallboy: "If you *like* your current insurance, you get to keep it."

Are people actually saying that they "like" their crap plans with impossibly high deductibles that are subject to cancellation at the whims of an insurance exec?


They only like them because they haven't had the opportunity to find out just how truly heinously awful their insurance plan is. Curse of deferred judgment.
 
2013-11-05 11:12:16 AM  

bdub77: Here's what it comes down to. Did Obama lie? YesNo. Should he admit he lied? YesN/A.

BUT. The vast majority of Americans do get to keep their health insurance through their employer. Another good percentage of those that buy their own health insurance also get to keep their health insurance. And the ones who don't get to keep their health insurance have better coverage because the other plans didn't meet basic requirements.


Obama didn't say that your insurance company would continue offering your policy.  The insurance companies chose to eliminate legacy policies for their own reasons.
 
2013-11-05 11:12:18 AM  

Elegy: Fail.

I said nothing about the conservative alternative, or lack thereof.

Try again.


because people from the republican party have offered no real alternative they really should stfu about the whole program though. They can take potshots from the sidelines and monday morning quarterback, but don't be surprised when people respond by calling out the fact that there are no alternatives offered and effectively blow off the criticism dejour.
 
2013-11-05 11:13:21 AM  

Dancin_In_Anson: swaniefrmreddeer: Funny thing is, most of these people whose insurance has been canceled didn't have health insurance worth a flying f*ck to begin with.

Who the fark are you to determine what's best for someone you don't even farking know?

And then make them pay for it.


When they're women
 
2013-11-05 11:13:36 AM  
Tucker Carlson won't be getting any clicks from me, so I don't know what the derp they're talking about, but the President was just talking about saying it last night.
 
2013-11-05 11:13:46 AM  
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2013-11-05 11:14:02 AM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Serious Black: The alternative would be if somebody shows up to the hospital suffering from a heart attack, the doctors should do a wallet biopsy and figure out if his insurance covers emergency cardiology care before they pump him full of anticoagulants.

I'll ask you again: Dancin_In_Anson: Who the fark are you to determine what's best for someone you don't even farking know?

And then make them pay for it.


Who the fark am I? I'm the guy paying tons of money in taxes and tons more money in increased insurance premiums because they made a short-sighted decision not to get insurance coverage for some life-saving treatment and then stuck me with the bill!
 
2013-11-05 11:14:05 AM  
The problem with these junk policies that these people "like" is that they don't cover basic things like preventive care and chemo if you get cancer. Can you see how that might be a problem for society at large?
 
2013-11-05 11:14:16 AM  

wingnut396: Obama Lied: A small percentage folk, generally with crappy insurance, will need to get better insurance.
Bush Lied: A smaller percentage of contractors and military folk are dead or maimed all so we could destabilize a country and put it on our credit card.

Obviously both sides are bad


Unfortunately "Obama lied, people had to get insurance policies that were worth more than the paper they were printed on" doesn't make a good sign.
 
2013-11-05 11:14:25 AM  
this is obama's "i didn't have sex with that woman" moment, which will live in infamy.
 
2013-11-05 11:14:27 AM  
FACT: Every single person complaining about this lie is unaffected by it in the slightest
 
2013-11-05 11:14:31 AM  

Elegy: FTFA:He did confess that he and his aides may have made some mistakes, such as failing to manage the development of the Obamacare website.

"We got [Obamacare] done. Now, let's face it, a lot of us didn't realize that passing the law was the easy part."

LOLWUT? What the fark did you think would happen - you'd pass the law and the magical fairies of liberalism would take care of everything else?


This is the Heritage Foundation's plan.  There is nothing "liberal" about it.
 
2013-11-05 11:14:54 AM  
I would like to hear the Republican healthcare alternative that doesn't involve letting poor people die.
 
2013-11-05 11:15:00 AM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Dancin_In_Anson: Who the fark are you to determine what's best for someone you don't even farking know?

And then make them pay for it.


"who" being the people of America who elected the people who made the laws and then re-elected them.
 
2013-11-05 11:15:05 AM  
 
2013-11-05 11:15:12 AM  

steverockson: The party that cheerleaded the Iraq War even as it became apparent that Bush had lied and manipulated intelligence to sell it so he could send thousand to their deaths can go fark themselves.


I wondered how long it would take for the "B..B..But Bush..." to start. LOL
 
2013-11-05 11:15:16 AM  

ox45tallboy: "If you *like* your current insurance, you get to keep it."

Are people actually saying that they "like" their crap plans with impossibly high deductibles that are subject to cancellation at the whims of an insurance exec?


Some people claim to like Justin Bieber. I don't understand them, either.
 
2013-11-05 11:15:38 AM  
I don't think it was a lie, so much as it was an, "Oops, didn't see THAT coming."
 
2013-11-05 11:16:07 AM  

Dancin_In_Anson: swaniefrmreddeer: Funny thing is, most of these people whose insurance has been canceled didn't have health insurance worth a flying f*ck to begin with.

Who the fark are you to determine what's best for someone you don't even farking know?

And then make them pay for it.


Are you me? I hate things and I hate paying. If there's one thing I hate more than things and paying, it's having to pay for things. And the Dutch.
 
2013-11-05 11:16:24 AM  
Obama lied, nobody died...
 
2013-11-05 11:16:52 AM  

Dancin_In_Anson: swaniefrmreddeer: Funny thing is, most of these people whose insurance has been canceled didn't have health insurance worth a flying f*ck to begin with.

Who the fark are you to determine what's best for someone you don't even farking know?

And then make them pay for it.


Because everyone else has to pick up the slack because you bought a shaitty policy and defaulted on the deductible.
 
2013-11-05 11:17:32 AM  

Dancin_In_Anson: swaniefrmreddeer: Funny thing is, most of these people whose insurance has been canceled didn't have health insurance worth a flying f*ck to begin with.

Who the fark are you to determine what's best for someone you don't even farking know?

And then make them pay for it.


You're absolutely right.  Also, why am I not allowed to buy spoiled meat?  It would be a lot cheaper.  Why is the government forcing me to buy filet mignon?
 
2013-11-05 11:17:40 AM  
he had to lie.  the ACA would never have passed if people knew that millions would be losing their insurance.

the end justifies the means.
 
2013-11-05 11:17:41 AM  

Stile4aly: Elegy: FTFA:He did confess that he and his aides may have made some mistakes, such as failing to manage the development of the Obamacare website.

"We got [Obamacare] done. Now, let's face it, a lot of us didn't realize that passing the law was the easy part."

LOLWUT? What the fark did you think would happen - you'd pass the law and the magical fairies of liberalism would take care of everything else?

He rightly understood he would face massive political challenges in the passage of the law, despite having unprecedented majorities in the Congress.  Once the law was passed, he expected most states would act rationally and take vast amounts of federal money to tailor the health care law to their states needs.

See if you can identify his mistake.


His mistake was thinking the magical fairies of liberalism would take care of everything, over the stiff and vigorous opposition of the opposing party?
 
2013-11-05 11:17:48 AM  

Print'sNotDead: http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/borowitzreport/2013/11/obama-ha s -lied-to-american-people-says-lying-expert.html


Laughter OL
 
2013-11-05 11:17:55 AM  

Cozret: Whatever happened to the classic "X is Obama's Katrina" ?


Benghazi.
 
2013-11-05 11:18:23 AM  

wingnut396: Obama Lied: A small percentage folk, generally with crappy insurance, will need to get better insurance.
Bush Lied: A smaller percentage of contractors and military folk are dead or maimed all so we could destabilize a country and put it on our credit card.

Obviously both sides are bad


"Obama - Hey, at least I'm better than Bush!"

He should have run on that. Come to think of it, he did.
 
2013-11-05 11:18:26 AM  
Also, its hilarious that the same people who are outraged because "Who the fark are you to determine what's best for people" want CCTVs set up in women's wombs to make sure there's no funny business going on
 
2013-11-05 11:18:29 AM  
You lost, get over it.
 
2013-11-05 11:18:33 AM  

colon_pow: this is obama's "i didn't have sex with that woman" moment, which will live in infamy.


Here's a list of 301 Obama scandals that will never be forgotten.  I mean, that people have already forgotten.

http://obamascandalslist.blogspot.ca/
 
2013-11-05 11:19:00 AM  
itt: raging right wing idiots angry at liberals because liberals want to stop uninsured or horribly insured people from mooching free health care at the expense of hard working middle class real americans and their white daughters
 
2013-11-05 11:19:00 AM  
Hmm, lets see if I have this straight. Lie that you can keep your own insurance, even though that's a simplification is BAD (I agree). Lies about death panels, rationing of medical care, congress is exempt, free healthcare for all/including illegals, businesses will have to fire everyone/more part time workers, etc. Those are still good though right?

Honestly, I'd love for both sides to stop lying and you know do their job but its sort of what politicians do.
 
2013-11-05 11:19:51 AM  
Does anyone else find the Fark Politics tab most enjoyable when the Obama faithful are faced with making excuses for "their guy"?

So efficiently ruthless in cutting down the other guys, but when it's the home team, completely different story.

"Yeah, well doesn't matter...'cause those existing plans were crap anyway!"

"The author of that article and/or the organization that published it aren't credible!"

"At least we had a plan!"

So, so sweet.
 
2013-11-05 11:19:53 AM  

djkutch: Who the fark are you to not hold individuals to a basic level of personal responsibility?


Like letting them make their own decisions and living with the consequences?
 
2013-11-05 11:20:01 AM  

CPennypacker: FACT: Every single person complaining about this lie is unaffected by it in the slightest


What about those of us who don't care about the lie but enjoy watching people pretend it wasn't who aren't affected by it in the slightest? We're people too, dammit!
 
2013-11-05 11:20:04 AM  

Elegy: Stile4aly: Elegy: FTFA:He did confess that he and his aides may have made some mistakes, such as failing to manage the development of the Obamacare website.

"We got [Obamacare] done. Now, let's face it, a lot of us didn't realize that passing the law was the easy part."

LOLWUT? What the fark did you think would happen - you'd pass the law and the magical fairies of liberalism would take care of everything else?

He rightly understood he would face massive political challenges in the passage of the law, despite having unprecedented majorities in the Congress.  Once the law was passed, he expected most states would act rationally and take vast amounts of federal money to tailor the health care law to their states needs.

See if you can identify his mistake.

His mistake was thinking the magical fairies of liberalism would take care of everything, over the stiff and vigorous opposition of the opposing party?


That's actually kind of how it's going, but there is no magic involved.
 
2013-11-05 11:20:13 AM  

Kuroshin: The insurance companies chose to eliminate legacy policies for their own reasons.


Yeah, like they don't comply to all the requirements of the ACA.  Hence they need to be cancelled and replaced with something else.

My awesome policy was replaced with a middle of the road policy for $60/mo more.
 
2013-11-05 11:20:33 AM  

crab66: The reality is that the only people who are losing their coverage don't have real insurance. They have absolute bare-bones disaster coverage that does basically nothing unless you are close to death.


You know that plans ceased to be compliant (and thus needed to be changed, and thus could no longer be kept) if they failed to provide prevailing drug coverage, right?  Which was a complete sop to Big Pharma?  So your cheap plan might've been cheap because it restricted you to generics, but now you've got to go on a "compliant" plan that's more expensive so you can continue to support Merck and Pfizer.  Yay.  I can see why the intellectual heirs of Jack Kerouac are so excited to support this governmental largesse to major donors corporations.

The basic details, about which you seem blissfully unaware, are just as clear cut.  I love it that a plan with a $10k deductible is the spawn of Satan, but Obamacare's run-of-the-mill "bronze" plans commonly have $6-7k deductibles, and that makes them just aces.  No need to examine what the premiums are:  what don't you understand about the fact that the new policies are BETTER!

But hey, your brother's unexpected pregnancy or your aunt's prostate problems will be covered once you meet the deductibles, and subject to the 30-40% co-insurance requirement, so there's that.  Must be money well spent.
 
2013-11-05 11:20:34 AM  
ObamaCare's good side (kids get covered till 25, pre-conditions) are ok by me.  But now the folks are tasting the bad side (higher premiums and cancelled policies).   Its not likely the back end of this law will stand.
 
2013-11-05 11:20:59 AM  

Serious Black: I'm the guy paying tons of money in taxes and tons more money in increased insurance premiums because they made a short-sighted decision not to get insurance coverage for some life-saving treatment and then stuck me with the bill!


That's what you get for thinking that you have to be responsible for someone else's shiatty decisions.
 
2013-11-05 11:21:05 AM  

CPennypacker: Also, its hilarious that the same people who are outraged because "Who the fark are you to determine what's best for people" want CCTVs set up in women's wombs to make sure there's no funny business going on


And want to reform Medicare to force people over 65 to buy insurance plans from private companies or give up outrageously huge benefits.
 
2013-11-05 11:21:22 AM  

InmanRoshi: [a5.img.talkingpointsmemo.com image 652x365]


That chart is missing the clear loser, those who believe in faith healing and other junk who are now forced to buy insurance that covers actual medicine. //Of course exceptions can be had but it requires paperwork, another thing in which many don't believe in.
 
2013-11-05 11:21:30 AM  

CPennypacker: Also, its hilarious that the same people who are outraged because "Who the fark are you to determine what's best for people" want CCTVs set up in women's wombs to make sure there's no funny business going on


I'd settle for CCTV set up in women's locker rooms. Why won't you compromise, liebrul?
 
2013-11-05 11:21:48 AM  

Elegy: Stile4aly: Elegy: FTFA:He did confess that he and his aides may have made some mistakes, such as failing to manage the development of the Obamacare website.

"We got [Obamacare] done. Now, let's face it, a lot of us didn't realize that passing the law was the easy part."

LOLWUT? What the fark did you think would happen - you'd pass the law and the magical fairies of liberalism would take care of everything else?

He rightly understood he would face massive political challenges in the passage of the law, despite having unprecedented majorities in the Congress.  Once the law was passed, he expected most states would act rationally and take vast amounts of federal money to tailor the health care law to their states needs.

See if you can identify his mistake.

His mistake was thinking the magical fairies of liberalism would take care of everything, over the stiff and vigorous opposition of the opposing party?


Yup he failed to see that conservatives are petulant children.
 
2013-11-05 11:21:51 AM  

Elegy: Stile4aly: Elegy: FTFA:He did confess that he and his aides may have made some mistakes, such as failing to manage the development of the Obamacare website.

"We got [Obamacare] done. Now, let's face it, a lot of us didn't realize that passing the law was the easy part."

LOLWUT? What the fark did you think would happen - you'd pass the law and the magical fairies of liberalism would take care of everything else?

He rightly understood he would face massive political challenges in the passage of the law, despite having unprecedented majorities in the Congress.  Once the law was passed, he expected most states would act rationally and take vast amounts of federal money to tailor the health care law to their states needs.

See if you can identify his mistake.

His mistake was thinking the magical fairies of liberalism would take care of everything, over the stiff and vigorous opposition of the opposing party?


Oh, I'm sorry.  The correct answer was expecting the states, particularly Republican states, to act rationally.

The federal exchange website has technical issues which makes it the first complex tech project in history to have defects.  The exchange sites which were built at the state level are working great.
 
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