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(The Daily Caller)   The Liar in Chief suddenly doesn't recall saying you can keep your health-care plan. Fark: 29 times. Double-down: Videotaped   (dailycaller.com) divider line 386
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2013-11-05 10:37:07 AM
Funny thing is, most of these people whose insurance has been canceled didn't have health insurance worth a flying f*ck to begin with.
 
2013-11-05 10:38:28 AM
FTFA:He did confess that he and his aides may have made some mistakes, such as failing to manage the development of the Obamacare website.

"We got [Obamacare] done. Now, let's face it, a lot of us didn't realize that passing the law was the easy part."


LOLWUT? What the fark did you think would happen - you'd pass the law and the magical fairies of liberalism would take care of everything else?
 
2013-11-05 10:40:59 AM
old news is exciting
 
2013-11-05 10:44:52 AM

Elegy: FTFA:He did confess that he and his aides may have made some mistakes, such as failing to manage the development of the Obamacare website.

"We got [Obamacare] done. Now, let's face it, a lot of us didn't realize that passing the law was the easy part."

LOLWUT? What the fark did you think would happen - you'd pass the law and the magical fairies of liberalism would take care of everything else?


Yep, the conservative plan of doing nothing was so much better. Letting people die because they can't afford to go to the doctor is the "Murican way.
 
2013-11-05 10:46:29 AM
By Neil Munroe, White House "correspondent" with the Faily Caller.

Yeah . Im not saying Obama is right, but this guy has NO business writing about anything other than how good Nilla wafers are.
 
2013-11-05 10:51:18 AM
Yeah, so this is the new Benghazi, isn't it?

In that it's another "MPEACH THE LIAR IN CHIEF!!111!!" scandal-du-jour that Republican talk radio and only Republican talk radio will scream incessantly about for about 2 months before realizing it isn't sticking and then promptly drop into the memory hole in favor of a new one?
 
2013-11-05 10:55:23 AM
The cover up is always worse than the facts.  Politicians never learn this.
 
2013-11-05 10:55:33 AM
Munro's writing is hilarious. It's so frothy you can stir it with a spoon.
 
2013-11-05 10:58:19 AM
Here's what it comes down to. Did Obama lie? Yes. Should he admit he lied? Yes.

BUT. The vast majority of Americans do get to keep their health insurance through their employer. Another good percentage of those that buy their own health insurance also get to keep their health insurance. And the ones who don't get to keep their health insurance have better coverage because the other plans didn't meet basic requirements.
 
2013-11-05 11:01:30 AM
politicians sometimes tell half truths and sometimes they lie, welcome to earf subby.
 
2013-11-05 11:02:02 AM
We abolished slavery for THIS?
 
2013-11-05 11:02:31 AM

bdub77: Here's what it comes down to. Did Obama lie? Yes. Should he admit he lied? Yes.

BUT. The vast majority of Americans do get to keep their health insurance through their employer. Another good percentage of those that buy their own health insurance also get to keep their health insurance. And the ones who don't get to keep their health insurance have better coverage because the other plans didn't meet basic requirements.


this is the politics tab, you asshole. get out of here with your reasoned, sensible analysis!!!
 
2013-11-05 11:02:39 AM

gilgigamesh: Yeah, so this is the new Benghazi, isn't it?

In that it's another "MPEACH THE LIAR IN CHIEF!!111!!" scandal-du-jour that Republican talk radio and only Republican talk radio will scream incessantly about for about 2 months before realizing it isn't sticking and then promptly drop into the memory hole in favor of a new one?


They've been yelling impeach since January 21, 2009.  They cry when they criticize the president then cry some more when no one shares their criticism.

There are plenty of things to criticize the President on, too bad all the right wants to focus on are the things that look good on a bumper sticker or in a campaign ad.
 
2013-11-05 11:02:57 AM
Why are all you Kool Aid soaked 0'Bama worshippers refusing to accept that this article proves there is in fact a WOLF headed towards the village
 
2013-11-05 11:03:44 AM
a5.img.talkingpointsmemo.com
 
2013-11-05 11:03:49 AM

bdub77: Here's what it comes down to. Did Obama lie? Yes. Should he admit he lied? Yes.


he made a substantially true statement

if you liked the insurance you had in 2009, you could indeed keep regardless of whether it was compliant with the ACA

unless of course your insurance company made major changes to the policy, in which case guess what it's not the same policy that you liked in the first place
 
2013-11-05 11:04:16 AM
the fascinating point here is how upset people are that a promise that the government won't take your health insurance plan away from you doesn't extend to insurance companies choosing of their own volition to discontinue people's plans
 
2013-11-05 11:04:19 AM
Some rubes need government regulation to protect them from con-artists. Film at 11.
 
2013-11-05 11:04:38 AM
Is the Caller going to admit they were lying about millions losing their insurance?
 
2013-11-05 11:05:09 AM
The party that cheerleaded the Iraq War even as it became apparent that Bush had lied and manipulated intelligence to sell it so he could send thousand to their deaths can go fark themselves.
 
2013-11-05 11:05:14 AM

Elegy: FTFA:He did confess that he and his aides may have made some mistakes, such as failing to manage the development of the Obamacare website.

"We got [Obamacare] done. Now, let's face it, a lot of us didn't realize that passing the law was the easy part."

LOLWUT? What the fark did you think would happen - you'd pass the law and the magical fairies of liberalism would take care of everything else?


The magical fairies of leaving partisanship by the wayside, taking your lumps like a man and handling your state's exchange instead of deferring it to the Fed. You know, personal responsibility.
 
2013-11-05 11:05:21 AM
So Barack Obama should have said "For 97% of Americans, if you like your insurance plan, you can keep it." Got it. Nobody will ever ignore that qualifying clause at the front of the sentence. I mean, nobody ever forgets that Ronald Reagan said "In this present crisis, government is not the solution to the problem; government is the problem."
 
2013-11-05 11:05:31 AM
Claims from the Daily Caller?  Seems legit.

/I'm sure the videos exist, but I'm also sure they've been spun more than cotton candy
 
2013-11-05 11:05:47 AM

bdub77: Here's what it comes down to. Did Obama lie? Yes. Should he admit he lied? Yes.

BUT. The vast majority of Americans do get to keep their health insurance through their employer. Another good percentage of those that buy their own health insurance also get to keep their health insurance. And the ones who don't get to keep their health insurance have better coverage because the other plans didn't meet basic requirements.


But what if they liked paying an insurance company to get no coverage?
 
2013-11-05 11:06:02 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-11-05 11:06:15 AM

Headso: politicians sometimes tell half truths and sometimes they lie...


And you can tell this is happening if their lips are moving but no food is involved.
 
2013-11-05 11:06:31 AM

vernonFL: By Neil Munroe, White House "correspondent" with the Faily Caller.

Yeah . Im not saying Obama is right, but this guy has NO business writing about anything other than how good Nilla wafers are.


I will click on a Daily Caller article link the day Neil Munro is found dead, hanging by his neck from Tucker Carlson's scrotum with one of Tucker's bowties.
 
2013-11-05 11:06:47 AM

swaniefrmreddeer: Funny thing is, most of these people whose insurance has been canceled didn't have health insurance worth a flying f*ck to begin with.


Who the fark are you to determine what's best for someone you don't even farking know?

And then make them pay for it.
 
2013-11-05 11:07:10 AM

swaniefrmreddeer: Elegy: FTFA:He did confess that he and his aides may have made some mistakes, such as failing to manage the development of the Obamacare website.

"We got [Obamacare] done. Now, let's face it, a lot of us didn't realize that passing the law was the easy part."

LOLWUT? What the fark did you think would happen - you'd pass the law and the magical fairies of liberalism would take care of everything else?

Yep, the conservative plan of doing nothing was so much better. Letting people die because they can't afford to go to the doctor is the "Murican way.


Fail.

I said nothing about the conservative alternative, or lack thereof.

Try again.
 
2013-11-05 11:07:50 AM

Flab: bdub77: Here's what it comes down to. Did Obama lie? Yes. Should he admit he lied? Yes.

BUT. The vast majority of Americans do get to keep their health insurance through their employer. Another good percentage of those that buy their own health insurance also get to keep their health insurance. And the ones who don't get to keep their health insurance have better coverage because the other plans didn't meet basic requirements.

But what if they liked paying an insurance company to get no coverage?


Then they are farking morons who really need help.
 
2013-11-05 11:08:30 AM

sprawl15: the fascinating point here is how upset people are that a promise that the government won't take your health insurance plan away from you doesn't extend to insurance companies choosing of their own volition to discontinue people's plans


ELFBAMA LEID
 
2013-11-05 11:08:36 AM
The reality is that the only people who are losing their coverage don't have real insurance. They have absolute bare-bones disaster coverage that does basically nothing unless you are close to death.
 
2013-11-05 11:08:53 AM

sprawl15: the fascinating point here is how upset people are that a promise that the government won't take your health insurance plan away from you doesn't extend to insurance companies choosing of their own volition to discontinue people's plans


I'm sure when schools stopped carrying soda pop in the cafeteria or vending machines, some irresponsible parents were a bit upset.  If they thought this was because of Michele Obama's influence they would be mad as hell.
 
2013-11-05 11:08:59 AM

bdub77: Here's what it comes down to. Did Obama lie? Yes. Should he admit he lied? Yes.

BUT. The vast majority of Americans do get to keep their health insurance through their employer. Another good percentage of those that buy their own health insurance also get to keep their health insurance. And the ones who don't get to keep their health insurance have better coverage because the other plans didn't meet basic requirements.


Agreed. However, if a politician admitted that wouldn't it be like dividing by zero or something? We wouldn't want all life as we know it to end now would we? (This is BSABSVD argument)
 
2013-11-05 11:09:16 AM
"If you *like* your current insurance, you get to keep it."

Are people actually saying that they "like" their crap plans with impossibly high deductibles that are subject to cancellation at the whims of an insurance exec?
 
2013-11-05 11:09:20 AM
That's still fewer than the Republicans have tried to repeal it.
 
2013-11-05 11:09:32 AM

Elegy: FTFA:He did confess that he and his aides may have made some mistakes, such as failing to manage the development of the Obamacare website.

"We got [Obamacare] done. Now, let's face it, a lot of us didn't realize that passing the law was the easy part."

LOLWUT? What the fark did you think would happen - you'd pass the law and the magical fairies of liberalism would take care of everything else?


He rightly understood he would face massive political challenges in the passage of the law, despite having unprecedented majorities in the Congress.  Once the law was passed, he expected most states would act rationally and take vast amounts of federal money to tailor the health care law to their states needs.

See if you can identify his mistake.
 
2013-11-05 11:09:46 AM

steverockson: The party that cheerleaded the Iraq War even as it became apparent that Bush had lied and manipulated intelligence to sell it so he could send thousand to their deaths can go fark themselves.


Uh, the Iraq War killed brown people. Ortegacare kills white people. If you could remove your partisan blinders for just a second, you'd see the difference.
 
2013-11-05 11:09:55 AM

Dancin_In_Anson: swaniefrmreddeer: Funny thing is, most of these people whose insurance has been canceled didn't have health insurance worth a flying f*ck to begin with.

Who the fark are you to determine what's best for someone you don't even farking know?

And then make them pay for it.


The alternative would be if somebody shows up to the hospital suffering from a heart attack, the doctors should do a wallet biopsy and figure out if his insurance covers emergency cardiology care before they pump him full of anticoagulants.
 
2013-11-05 11:10:02 AM
The problem here isn't the ACA, it's insurance companies that have been gouging people for decades, selling people shiat plans.
 
2013-11-05 11:10:02 AM

ManateeGag: They've been yelling impeach since January 21, 2009.


So when's it gonna happen?  Either shiat or get off the pot, guys!
 
2013-11-05 11:10:03 AM

Serious Black: Ronald Reagan said "In this present crisis, government is not the solution to the problem; government is the problem."


How dare you use Saint Reagan's name in the same statement as Ballsack HUSSAIN 0bummerbongo!  You hath sullied His memory.  You must say 5 Hail Nancys and 3 Our Reagans as penance.
 
2013-11-05 11:10:11 AM

bdub77: Here's what it comes down to. Did Obama lie? Yes. Should he admit he lied? Yes.


I don't believe Obama specifically lied about this--as in, "tee hee hee, imma pull the wool over EVERYONE'S eyes".  I just don't think he had the foresight to see the consequences of (a) the DHHS changing certain requirements for insurance plans and (b) the insurance companies having shiatty plans to begin with.  Again, this is one of those instances where his advisers could've done a better job of keeping him up to speed.

Now, should he own up to it, whether a lie, a miscalculation, or whatever?  Sure.  He's the captain of the ship.  He's ultimately responsible.  He needs to explain WHY people aren't able to keep their shiatty insurance, and WHY what he said in the past is no longer (or maybe never was) valid.  Won't make *me* think any less of him.  And maybe it'll take some of the spin on this story and turn it into something useful.
 
2013-11-05 11:10:17 AM

Elegy: FTFA:He did confess that he and his aides may have made some mistakes, such as failing to manage the development of the Obamacare website.

"We got [Obamacare] done. Now, let's face it, a lot of us didn't realize that passing the law was the easy part."

LOLWUT? What the fark did you think would happen - you'd pass the law and the magical fairies of liberalism would take care of everything else?


I thought it was Republicans and Libertarians who believe in the invisible fairy of the free market.
 
2013-11-05 11:10:20 AM

Dancin_In_Anson: swaniefrmreddeer: Funny thing is, most of these people whose insurance has been canceled didn't have health insurance worth a flying f*ck to begin with.

Who the fark are you to determine what's best for someone you don't even farking know?


yeah like what do you know math or something swaniefrmreddeer

i mean who are YOU to say that paying $54/month for $50 in coverage is not financially sound

who are YOU to say that those people are not meaningfully different than the uninsured, forcing significant financial burdens on the rest of the economy by creating costs that must be paid by others

if someone WANTS to leech off society, getting unearned benefits while also being scammed by an insurance company, that's what patriots like sam adams and jim beam died for

who ARE you
 
2013-11-05 11:10:23 AM

Jackson Herring: bdub77: Here's what it comes down to. Did Obama lie? Yes. Should he admit he lied? Yes.

he made a substantially true statement

if you liked the insurance you had in 2009, you could indeed keep regardless of whether it was compliant with the ACA

unless of course your insurance company made major minor changes to the policy, in which case guess what it's not the same policy that you liked in the first place


now it's a true statement
 
2013-11-05 11:10:45 AM

swaniefrmreddeer: Funny thing is, most of these people whose insurance has been canceled didn't have health insurance worth a flying f*ck to begin with.



Funnier is many of them are the same people who aren't so outraged about the lie that got us into a decade long war.
 
2013-11-05 11:10:47 AM
Until he lies us into a war that KILLS, instead of saving, hundreds of thousands of people and cost trillions of dollars, he can lie all he wants.
 
2013-11-05 11:11:01 AM

Elegy: FTFA:He did confess that he and his aides may have made some mistakes, such as failing to manage the development of the Obamacare website.

"We got [Obamacare] done. Now, let's face it, a lot of us didn't realize that passing the law was the easy part."

LOLWUT? What the fark did you think would happen - you'd pass the law and the magical fairies of liberalism would take care of everything else?


I'm sure that what they thought would happen wasn't "the Republicans would use the next few years delaying and refusing to fund the citizen-facing portions of the law and sabatoging the law on a state-by-state basis."

He probably assumed that the Republicans would act like people who actually give a damn about the citizens of the US.

Boy was he wrong.

Additionally. I'm guessing that when those promises were made the administration might not have realized just how many of the insurance policies out there are absolute junk.
 
2013-11-05 11:11:16 AM

Jackson Herring: sprawl15: the fascinating point here is how upset people are that a promise that the government won't take your health insurance plan away from you doesn't extend to insurance companies choosing of their own volition to discontinue people's plans

ELFBAMA LEID


I would say I distrust dark elves on principle, but I don't want to sound racist and/or speciesist.
 
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