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2013-11-05 11:05:19 AM
Don't worry it won't suck all at once.  I think it will be like when the cable started offering their own DVRs.  People just forgot or never knew how much nicer the TIVO experience was.  So when your cable company offers its own search engine and streaming video people will slowly forget how much nicer Google and Netflix were.
 
2013-11-05 11:05:48 AM
And that's cool, AT&T and Verizon are entitled to try to f*ck me over. And I'm entitled to move to Google Fiber when it comes available and switch cell providers and give them the big middle finger.

You better deliver my content when I want it the same way for every service or GO F*CK YOURSELF.
 
2013-11-05 11:43:57 AM

bdub77: And that's cool, AT&T and Verizon are entitled to try to f*ck me over. And I'm entitled to move to Google Fiber when it comes available and switch cell providers and give them the big middle finger.

You better deliver my content when I want it the same way for every service or GO F*CK YOURSELF.


I'm hoping that's what will happen. Other cable companies will come in saying 'we won't limit your access' as a business model.
 
2013-11-05 11:45:54 AM
Liberals and conservatives should rejoice. They can now exert pressure to censor content as much as they like.
 
2013-11-05 11:54:09 AM

Silly_Sot: Liberals and conservatives should rejoice. They can now exert pressure to censor content as much as they like.


Huge difference between the two, and you know it.

Liberals: You shouldn't say that.
Conservatives: You shouldn't see that.

One focuses on reforming (perceived) bad behavior by asking a person to choose differently, and the other focuses on hiding (perceived) bad behavior and preventing a person from being able to choose.
 
2013-11-05 11:55:15 AM
If modern history has taught us anything, it's that The Corporation will always win in the end regardless of how many bodies are left in the wake.
 
2013-11-05 11:55:26 AM
This is disgusting beyond words.

Fark this country.
 
2013-11-05 11:59:15 AM
Yay! We can finally bury this stupid internet thing. I can't wait to sign back up for cable and spend my evenings watching Dancing with the Stars. And fark this free long distance on my cell phone too. Hang a phone up on my kitchen wall and charge me 10 cents a minute to talk to my family.
 
2013-11-05 12:04:23 PM

EvilEgg: Don't worry it won't suck all at once.  I think it will be like when the cable started offering their own DVRs.  People just forgot or never knew how much nicer the TIVO experience was.  So when your cable company offers its own search engine and streaming video people will slowly forget how much nicer Google and Netflix were.


no, i hate comcast

i'd rather read a book than use any software comcast has ever programmed
 
2013-11-05 12:06:10 PM
Emailed my 3 congress critters. lotta good it will do, but at least I didn't roll over.
 
2013-11-05 12:15:55 PM

Lochsteppe: Silly_Sot: Liberals and conservatives should rejoice. They can now exert pressure to censor content as much as they like.

Huge difference between the two, and you know it.

Liberals: You shouldn't say that.
Conservatives: You shouldn't see that.

One focuses on reforming (perceived) bad behavior by asking a person to choose differently, and the other focuses on hiding (perceived) bad behavior and preventing a person from being able to choose.


Remind me again? What political party and president tried to censor the internet but got body slammed by the the courts?

Hint, it wasn't under Bush or Obama.
 
2013-11-05 12:19:59 PM
This world belongs to the corporations. They are our new kings.
 
2013-11-05 12:19:59 PM

robbiex0r: Emailed my 3 congress critters. lotta good it will do, but at least I didn't roll over.


Same here.  We'll see if anything comes from it.
 
2013-11-05 12:21:25 PM
Thank goodness President Obama just put a former cable television and cell phone lobbyist in charge of the FCC.

The one thing you really want is a lobbyist for a given industry to be put in charge of regulating that industry. I was worried there for a moment we might get some of that network neutrality, but looks like we're safe from it.

/Just in time for AT&T's drive to completely deregulate telephone service now that it's transitioning to voice over IP.
 
2013-11-05 12:26:40 PM
And you have Diane Feinstein trying to dictate who is a reporter and who isn't protected by freedom of speech and she is hard at work trying to make what the NSA does in regards to domestic spying legal by disolving your privacy.


Waste your vote on a third party this election cycle..........seriously. Send DC a message.
 
2013-11-05 12:27:29 PM

bdub77: And that's cool, AT&T and Verizon are entitled to try to f*ck me over.


More importantly, they'll be trying to f*ck Google, Microsoft, Apple, Facebook, and Amazon over.

The blowback when they form Voltron might well be the end of the telecoms monopolies.
 
2013-11-05 12:29:43 PM
All you need to know about net neutrality is that it prevents this from happening.

carl.corecentral.info

/love the perfect use of advertising language throughout.
 
2013-11-05 12:30:37 PM

EvilEgg: Don't worry it won't suck all at once.  I think it will be like when the cable started offering their own DVRs.  People just forgot or never knew how much nicer the TIVO experience was.  So when your cable company offers its own search engine and streaming video people will slowly forget how much nicer Google and Netflix were.


I'll remember back when I got dinner and a show before I got raped.
 
2013-11-05 12:31:49 PM

Nick Nostril: If modern history has taught us anything, it's that The Corporation will always win in the end regardless of how many bodies are left in the wake.


There are times when the Elites do go too far, and the backlash happens.

www.thepaltrysapien.com
 
2013-11-05 12:32:46 PM

Prophet of Loss: This world belongs to the corporations. They are our new kings.


See above post.
 
2013-11-05 12:35:45 PM
Lochsteppe:

Liberals: You shouldn't say that.
Conservatives: You shouldn't see that.


I perceive myself as a liberal and I see no meaningful difference between those statements what so ever. They are just different words that mean the same thing.
 
2013-11-05 12:35:51 PM

bdub77: And that's cool, AT&T and Verizon are entitled to try to f*ck me over. And I'm entitled to move to Google Fiber when it comes available and switch cell providers and give them the big middle finger.

You better deliver my content when I want it the same way for every service or GO F*CK YOURSELF.


The problem is when the law backs it up and Google says "hey, I like free money."
 
2013-11-05 12:36:54 PM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: bdub77: And that's cool, AT&T and Verizon are entitled to try to f*ck me over. And I'm entitled to move to Google Fiber when it comes available and switch cell providers and give them the big middle finger.

You better deliver my content when I want it the same way for every service or GO F*CK YOURSELF.

I'm hoping that's what will happen. Other cable companies will come in saying 'we won't limit your access' as a business model.


There are so many areas in the US where it is illegal to operate a competing ISP service.
 
2013-11-05 12:39:51 PM

poot_rootbeer: bdub77: And that's cool, AT&T and Verizon are entitled to try to f*ck me over.

More importantly, they'll be trying to f*ck Google, Microsoft, Apple, Facebook, and Amazon over.

The blowback when they form Voltron might well be the end of the telecoms monopolies.


This is also my interpretation.  I question the wisdom of the telcoms actually firing the first shot of the economic war against Google, especially, since the G-team has been prepared to become THE ISP for quite a while now, and has only really held back because there was not reason to tip the cart.
 
2013-11-05 12:40:25 PM

Warlordtrooper: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: bdub77: And that's cool, AT&T and Verizon are entitled to try to f*ck me over. And I'm entitled to move to Google Fiber when it comes available and switch cell providers and give them the big middle finger.

You better deliver my content when I want it the same way for every service or GO F*CK YOURSELF.

I'm hoping that's what will happen. Other cable companies will come in saying 'we won't limit your access' as a business model.

There are so many areas in the US where it is illegal to operate a competing ISP service.


And the existing ones have the money and influence to crush or buy out new ISPs in the areas where they are legal.
 
2013-11-05 12:41:32 PM

TV's Vinnie: Nick Nostril: If modern history has taught us anything, it's that The Corporation will always win in the end regardless of how many bodies are left in the wake.

There are times when the Elites do go too far, and the backlash happens.

[www.thepaltrysapien.com image 320x265]


The french revolution had more to do with a sudden famine than it did with ever-increasing plutocracy.  If you want to see rich people dead, in your heart of hearts, you're going to have to know you'll have to do it yourself.
 
2013-11-05 12:42:01 PM

Gordon Bennett: All you need to know about net neutrality is that it prevents this from happening.

[carl.corecentral.info image 550x1224]

/love the perfect use of advertising language throughout.


It is terrifying how easily I can imagine that as reality.

Where is that from?
 
2013-11-05 12:46:10 PM

bdub77: And that's cool, AT&T and Verizon are entitled to try to f*ck me over. And I'm entitled to move to Google Fiber when it comes available and switch cell providers and give them the big middle finger.

You better deliver my content when I want it the same way for every service or GO F*CK YOURSELF.


So what. Services will still die when no-one else but you on your Google Fiber uses them.

And besides, Google doesn't own the backbone of the internet. That's beyond their control.
 
2013-11-05 12:48:39 PM
It's already dead. I can name websites that don't work properly for me because Verizon can pick and choose which connections they upgrade or don't. It may get worse, but it's already happening.
 
2013-11-05 01:05:24 PM

worlddan: Lochsteppe:

Liberals: You shouldn't say that.
Conservatives: You shouldn't see that.

I perceive myself as a liberal and I see no meaningful difference between those statements what so ever. They are just different words that mean the same thing.


Maybe you missed the text below that where I explained the difference.

Let me put it another way, though. While it's true that liberal groups have sometimes gone too far in trying to be politically correct, the goal is usually to get people to stop shiatting on other people through racist, sexist, or otherwise bigoted language or images by pointing out how the language or images are racist, sexist, etc.

For conservative groups, the goal is different: to protect their ideologies by blocking or hiding language or images that contradict those ideologies. Fox News is a perfect example of this--they practice conservative-style censorship every single day by hiding or manipulating facts far beyond what any of the other US news outlets do (though CNN is trying hard to catch up).

When you hide information from people, you deny them the right to make a choice or to engage intelligently in the larger discussion.  That is an entirely different thing from making a judgment about the information someone is presenting (such as saying that an image of Obama in witch-doctor garb is racist). I'm not suggesting that liberals always judge rightly, but they generally support the right to exercise informed judgment (a necessary ingredient in democracies everywhere, Best Korea notwithstanding).
 
2013-11-05 01:07:41 PM
Let the south secede. Let them go and take all of these corporation felating, freedom restricting, pearl clutching, middle class killing, assholes who are doing their best to return this country to the 1800s with them. We don't need them. They're toxic to the well being of this nation. Let them go so we can have actual progress and actually see to the well being of one another.

Fark them all.
 
2013-11-05 01:08:28 PM

Killahertz: Gordon Bennett: All you need to know about net neutrality is that it prevents this from happening.

[carl.corecentral.info image 550x1224]

/love the perfect use of advertising language throughout.

It is terrifying how easily I can imagine that as reality.

Where is that from?


I don't know. It's been floating around since net neutrality became a major issue. I've not been able to source it back to the beginning. I presume it's a satirical shop, and a beautifully done one at that.
 
2013-11-05 01:17:38 PM

Lochsteppe: Silly_Sot: Liberals and conservatives should rejoice. They can now exert pressure to censor content as much as they like.

Huge difference between the two, and you know it.

Liberals: You shouldn't say that.
Conservatives: You shouldn't see that.

One focuses on reforming (perceived) bad behavior by asking a person to choose differently, and the other focuses on hiding (perceived) bad behavior and preventing a person from being able to choose.


Let me straighten that out for you.

Liberals: You, the website owner, shouldn't say that, so we are blocking people from seeing your site.

Conservatives: You, the consumer, shouldn't see that, so we are blocking you from visiting that site.

See the difference? No? Good, because there is none; the end result is exactly the same.
 
2013-11-05 01:19:04 PM
I'll be out back, putting a fresh coat of paint on the old tumbrel.
 
2013-11-05 01:24:28 PM
Hurr, it'll only be the political party i don't like who does it, durr.

Corporations will be taking advantage more than anyone. And they don't give a shiat about politics except as a means to divide and distract people. They have people in their pocket in every political party.

You think it's bad now when they just convince people there is no intelligent argument against certain things, only to have intelligent arguments made everywhere. Imagine what it will be like when there is no visible argument anywhere for people to consider.
 
2013-11-05 01:24:50 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-11-05 01:25:37 PM

Gordon Bennett: All you need to know about net neutrality is that it prevents this from happening.

[carl.corecentral.info image 550x1224]

/love the perfect use of advertising language throughout.


And you know the "recharge" will be set to Auto, so you rack up monster charges without even realizing it.
 
2013-11-05 01:28:34 PM

Fano: bdub77: And that's cool, AT&T and Verizon are entitled to try to f*ck me over. And I'm entitled to move to Google Fiber when it comes available and switch cell providers and give them the big middle finger.

You better deliver my content when I want it the same way for every service or GO F*CK YOURSELF.

The problem is when the law backs it up and Google says "hey, I like free money."


That won't happen though.  Google Fiber is there to make money, just through a different stream.  Google Fiber being cheap, fast, and unrestricted makes people be online far more often than an a la carte plan would.  That means people use google WAY more often.  And that's how Google makes its fortune.  Indirect, but just still very profitable to Google when it comes to the bottom line.  It's the same logic that caused them to make Android and make it free.

I'm beginning to think that Google Fiber's real goal was to prevent net neutrality from becoming a goal of other ISPs-- they wanted to let the threat of free unlimited internet keep the Comcasts and TWCs of the world from even trying to bite into Google's profits.  That threat clearly isn't working, but that doesn't make the "internet a la carte" profit model any less suicidal if Google actually follows through.
 
2013-11-05 01:28:54 PM

ArcadianRefugee: Lochsteppe: Silly_Sot: Liberals and conservatives should rejoice. They can now exert pressure to censor content as much as they like.

Huge difference between the two, and you know it.

Liberals: You shouldn't say that.
Conservatives: You shouldn't see that.

One focuses on reforming (perceived) bad behavior by asking a person to choose differently, and the other focuses on hiding (perceived) bad behavior and preventing a person from being able to choose.

Let me straighten that out for you.

Liberals: You, the website owner, shouldn't say that, so we are blocking people from seeing your site.

Conservatives: You, the consumer, shouldn't see that, so we are blocking you from visiting that site.

See the difference? No? Good, because there is none; the end result is exactly the same.


Sure, both sides are bad.  Except that one of your statements includes an action that DOESN'T HAPPEN outside of anecdotes.  It's roughly the equivalent of saying "Liberals are the real racists because reasons!" But thank you for straightening things out for me.
 
2013-11-05 01:31:34 PM

hick_town: robbiex0r: Emailed my 3 congress critters. lotta good it will do, but at least I didn't roll over.

Same here.  We'll see if anything comes from it.


Oh come on.  You gotta do more than that!

#OCCUPYCOMCAST
 
2013-11-05 01:33:31 PM
Gordon Bennett:
I don't know. It's been floating around since net neutrality became a major issue.

The fact that it lists Digg as a site people might want to visit says that it's at least a few years old.
 
2013-11-05 01:39:31 PM

poot_rootbeer: bdub77: And that's cool, AT&T and Verizon are entitled to try to f*ck me over.

More importantly, they'll be trying to f*ck Google, Microsoft, Apple, Facebook, and Amazon over.

The blowback when they form Voltron might well be the end of the telecoms monopolies.


I look forward to that.
 
2013-11-05 01:42:33 PM

No Such Agency: Gordon Bennett:
I don't know. It's been floating around since net neutrality became a major issue.

The fact that it lists Digg as a site people might want to visit says that it's at least a few years old.


At the same time, it's also indicative of the slow pace at which the traditional media industries move. If that type of internet was real, I have no doubt they'd still have Digg as a major offering and probably not added newer sites like Instagram, Tumblr, etc yet.

Just think about your average cable network. How much of that would you really call up to date or innovative?
 
2013-11-05 01:43:45 PM
There isn't one single Phoenix Suns game that will be broadcast over free tv this season. All on cable.

So I guess restrictions on content and having to pay for things that used to be free have their upsides.
 
2013-11-05 01:50:29 PM

robbiex0r: Emailed my 3 congress critters. lotta good it will do, but at least I didn't roll over.


Awesome. I'm being serious, too. And don't sleep on Twitter; they ignore their emails but the staffer/pol himself read all of their tweets.
 
2013-11-05 02:04:00 PM

bdub77: You better deliver my content when I want it the same way for every service or GO F*CK YOURSELF.


You do realize that traffic between your target Internet service and your ISP may pass over networks controlled by neither that Internet service  nor your ISP. So if Verizon wants to bust Netflix, Verizon can still degrade Netflix's traffic for any packets that travel across Verizon's networks- even if the origin and endpoints aren't on Verizon's networks.

The Internet is a network of networks, and it's vital that  all of the networks handle  all of the traffic according to the same rules and policies.
 
2013-11-05 02:06:39 PM
This is why I like the way the UK deregulated the phone and ISP business. I, and everyone in the country, have two hundred ISP to choose from. I could start an ISP from my bedroom tomorrow and serve the whole country and compete on price with the big players, apart from marketing spend of course.

There is one company that owns the network, BT. But they must allow any ISP full access to the whole network on identical terms. Hence you can choose between huge corporations and tiny startups that have five staff. My last ISP I phoned tech support about four times over two years and I swear I spoke to the same guy every time.
 
2013-11-05 02:10:45 PM
The political arguments here vary from 'futile' to 'stupid', but what really gets me is people thinking Google won't rape them. These are people who have not paid attention to Google over the last 5-10 years.

Google will rape you later as a method of raping you best. Best for them, not necessarily for you. I'm not saying they're worse than, say, evil horrible AT&T, but they're not your friend, either.
 
2013-11-05 02:15:27 PM
Does this explain why suddenly I can't see Google Calendar?
 
2013-11-05 02:17:55 PM

Lochsteppe: Silly_Sot: Liberals and conservatives should rejoice. They can now exert pressure to censor content as much as they like.

Huge difference between the two, and you know it.

Liberals: You shouldn't say that.
Conservatives: You shouldn't see that.

One focuses on reforming (perceived) bad behavior by askingtelling a person to choose differently, and the other focuses on hiding (perceived) bad behavior and preventing a person from being able to choose.


FTFY

And neither is acceptable.
 
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