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(Daily Mail)   New study says fat teenagers should give up on exercising and eating healthy, just get gastric band surgery instead   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 40
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2013-11-05 12:46:36 PM
Because when I want the cutting edge on medical news, it's gotta be the Daily Fail
 
2013-11-05 12:57:29 PM
Kids, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.
 
2013-11-05 01:31:06 PM
Band name: Gastric
 
2013-11-05 01:31:33 PM
What? I want to read about the procedure where they take fat out of their bellies and thighs and use it to enhance their boobs.

That's what science needs to concentrate on.

/and then cancer
 
2013-11-05 01:32:26 PM
Kids today never get to hear those all important character building words


"YOU LOST, BOBBY!  YOUR A LOSER, BOBBY!"

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2013-11-05 01:32:35 PM
This study paid for by...
 
2013-11-05 01:34:19 PM
Maybe they could Exercise good parenting and pass that whole  Exercise thing on to the kids.
 
2013-11-05 01:36:02 PM

ltdanman44: Kids today never get to hear those all important character building words


"YOU LOST, BOBBY!  YOUR A LOSER, BOBBY!"

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And Bobby replied: You're
 
2013-11-05 01:37:46 PM
How long did this study follow these people. I know a few people who had gastric surgery years ago (the old bypass method not the band method), and they have regained most of their weight since. Some of who are starting to exercise and do much better.
 
2013-11-05 01:45:18 PM
For severe obesity, I have no problem with that.

Sevrely obsese people aren't going to do well with excercise. Odds are, they will injure themselves. Eatign healthy..yeah, I'm sure no one has said that to a 300+ pound teen before.

A Gastric band done lapriscopically is minimally invasive, and should be approved for use, as it has less long term effets and complications such as vitamin intake as opposed ot Gastric bypass.  It will jump start their weight loss, helping to address many weight-related conditions, giving them hope, confidence, and immediate results.  As they lose weight, the physical activity they can do without risking injury will increase.  Once they see results, they will have for more reason to keep trying, to not go back.

Some will fail and regain most, or all of the weight; many will not.

This is not a first course option: it should be reserved for the severely obsese who are facing immediate weight related health problems and a loss of life expectancy.
 
2013-11-05 01:46:48 PM
It seems to be working for Chris Christie.
 
2013-11-05 01:47:47 PM
I completely agree, taking the easy way and having major elective surgery is a wonderful idea.  Heaven forbid, they try and teach them to eat properly and control their calorie intake...I mean that takes, like, personal responsibility and good habit building,..and, like, that's haaaarrrrddd.

/we're doomed I tell ya, doooooooooomed,
//welcome to costco, I love you
 
2013-11-05 01:48:06 PM
Surely a surgeon suggesting surgery as the most effective option is not a conflict of interest.
 
2013-11-05 01:53:11 PM
I worked with a woman that had it done. She dropped a ton before I had worked with her, I have seen the before pictures. The weirdest thing was she had to eat like every 3 hours or so. But they would be tiny meals and she would have food squirreled all over the office. It got annoying to open a supply box or drawer and find food in it.

On MTV's True Life they had people that got it. The one guy was weird he looked normal with his clothes on, but when he took his shirt off he looked deflated like Fat Bastard at the end of Goldmember. Glad I walk a lot and eat a little.
 
2013-11-05 01:55:36 PM
 RTFA. Severely Obese. Multiple health issues cauing problems now.  The article never suggests this be the primary way to address any weight loss.  Thats from the lame ass headline.

FTFA:

Three out of four had cholesterol problems; almost half had high blood pressure or joint pain; and many had diseased livers or kidneys.

These kids weighed three times more than what is considered healthy, they weren't just teens 'who want to fit into that cheerleading outfit better,' said Dr. Thomas Inge, the study's lead researcher and a surgeon at Cincinnati Children's Hospital Medical Center.

Because lifestyle changes and medication rarely work for such obese teens, the statement says obesity surgery should be considered for those with related health problems who are psychologically mature enough to handle it.
 
2013-11-05 02:00:38 PM

MindStalker: How long did this study follow these people. I know a few people who had gastric surgery years ago (the old bypass method not the band method), and they have regained most of their weight since. Some of who are starting to exercise and do much better.


It's as if maintaining the same crappy habits will lead to the same thing no matter how much lipo, gastric bands or magic spells are used.
 
2013-11-05 02:06:09 PM
If you look at the numbers, diet and exercise are actually very ineffective compared to gastric-band surgery.  You can blame people for being weak willed, lazy, or whatever else - but those same people find significantly greater success with gastric-band surgery.  That's pretty much the textbook definition of more effective.  For more people, it is more effective, than diet or exercise.
 
2013-11-05 02:17:39 PM

incrdbil: RTFA. Severely Obese. Multiple health issues cauing problems now.  The article never suggests this be the primary way to address any weight loss.  Thats from the lame ass headline.


Agreed, but you're fighting an uphill battle here. People love to 'fat shame' the severely obese (esp. anonymously on the internet), because it's easier than considering the complex physiological & psychological factors involved.

Reminds me of high school, where the teachers/admin would tell the severely anorexic girls, "why don't you just eat more? You look terrible!" Because yeah, those girls were totally unaware of their major eating disorder until you brought it to their attention in the worst possible way.
 
2013-11-05 02:23:47 PM

j__z: I completely agree, taking the easy way and having major elective surgery is a wonderful idea.  Heaven forbid, they try and teach them to eat properly and control their calorie intake...I mean that takes, like, personal responsibility and good habit building,..and, like, that's haaaarrrrddd.

/we're doomed I tell ya, doooooooooomed,
//welcome to costco, I love you


sounds like a Tea Party plot, and you know what people think about Tea Party people
 
2013-11-05 02:34:28 PM

wxboy: Surely a surgeon suggesting surgery as the most effective option is not a conflict of interest.


Sometimes a doctor should do the doctoring.  I know that doesn't appeal to your natural rebellious streak, but it's true.
 
2013-11-05 02:38:31 PM
Interesting. I'd like to see a longer study. I'd also like to see how that compares to when you send these severely obese teens to something like fat camp, but year-round. I don't know how you'd do it, but I got the impression that these kids do pretty damn good when their families/horrible lives aren't interfering.

I get the idea, though. When you can't sleep because you're too fat, then you're too tired to do anything right during the day. It's an evil combination of decision fatigue and just plain old fatigue.

In the end, I just feel like a lot of this would be solved if we treated childhood a lot better than we do. I don't think you can drive up, jump out, fix a kid who's morbidly obese (not just fat, but you-gonna-die obese), then jump back in your van and go. I don't think most of them are going to stay fixed. Some will, but there's got to be a better, more effective way to help that's somewhere on the spectrum between moving them to an entirely different life, and making them show up for weekly meetings reminding them that donuts are a sometimes food.
 
2013-11-05 02:39:47 PM

j__z: I completely agree, taking the easy way and having major elective surgery is a wonderful idea.  Heaven forbid, they try and teach them to eat properly and control their calorie intake...I mean that takes, like, personal responsibility and good habit building,..and, like, that's haaaarrrrddd.

/we're doomed I tell ya, doooooooooomed,
//welcome to costco, I love you


Teach them what exactly? You think they don't know eating junk food causes weight gain, or is it they just aren't shamed and mocked enough to want to lose weight?

Morbid obesity is a medical problem and needs to be treated as such. Dismissing it merely as a lack of personal responsibility is to demonstrate ignorance of the basic science. Farking lab rats fed a tightly controlled and documented diet have shown an increase in average weight over the last thirty years. And it's assholes like you who think the fatties just have to sack up and eat less who are slowing down research into identifying the real environmental problems.

/Not fat myself, but also not derptastically stupid
 
2013-11-05 02:42:01 PM

groppet: I worked with a woman that had it done. She dropped a ton before I had worked with her, I have seen the before pictures. The weirdest thing was she had to eat like every 3 hours or so. But they would be tiny meals and she would have food squirreled all over the office. It got annoying to open a supply box or drawer and find food in it.

On MTV's True Life they had people that got it. The one guy was weird he looked normal with his clothes on, but when he took his shirt off he looked deflated like Fat Bastard at the end of Goldmember. Glad I walk a lot and eat a little.


That first example sounds like me. I graze throughout the day because it limits the chance that I'll have dumping syndrome with a bigger meal.

Also people who have met me post-surgery can't tell I was ever obese. My neck does not look like a vagina.
 
2013-11-05 02:43:18 PM
To be fair, morbidly obese teens are already in a life threatening situation and losing that much weight naturally takes years.
 
2013-11-05 02:52:55 PM
How many of those kids were over feed from day 1?  I wonder if the gastric band would help them feel "full" those eat less since they didn't learn these signals as infants/children.  These kids were set up to fail long before they could use self control.  Now they have to learn something different than shiatty parenting and this can be a tool along with teaching them skills like HOW TO COOK, moderation, and exercise.
 
2013-11-05 02:56:26 PM
So, for that section of the population that found little resolve and failed at weight loss the traditional way can go fark themselves, right? Or, they could use a medical procedure that gives them a shot at something they couldn't do normally. I will take the second door any time.

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2013-11-05 03:38:07 PM
no to this, nooo.  especially for kids.  my sweet aunt had her stomach stapled- i know it's not the same exact thing, but it's a surgical quick fix.  suffice to say, all the pain and expense were for nothing.  without an extended plan of support and real life long changes, these things are about as useful as court-ordered AA.
 
2013-11-05 03:43:59 PM
Bar any accidents, I have little doubt that I'll live 15 longer than my peers and by the looks of those 15 years younger, I'll be dying after them, too.

This is the only life there is to live, why don't people try to improve themselves?
 
2013-11-05 07:03:19 PM

Surpheon: j__z: I completely agree, taking the easy way and having major elective surgery is a wonderful idea.  Heaven forbid, they try and teach them to eat properly and control their calorie intake...I mean that takes, like, personal responsibility and good habit building,..and, like, that's haaaarrrrddd.

/we're doomed I tell ya, doooooooooomed,
//welcome to costco, I love you

Teach them what exactly? You think they don't know eating junk food causes weight gain, or is it they just aren't shamed and mocked enough to want to lose weight?

Morbid obesity is a medical problem and needs to be treated as such. Dismissing it merely as a lack of personal responsibility is to demonstrate ignorance of the basic science. Farking lab rats fed a tightly controlled and documented diet have shown an increase in average weight over the last thirty years. And it's assholes like you who think the fatties just have to sack up and eat less who are slowing down research into identifying the real environmental problems.

/Not fat myself, but also not derptastically stupid


Is this true? Citation, please?

/genuinely interested
 
2013-11-05 07:46:56 PM
Without addressing the underlying mental health/addiction issues involved with morbid obesity, surgery will not fix these kids. They will either gain it all back or switch the food addiction for a different one.
 
2013-11-05 11:07:39 PM
I had heard there's a higher incidence of alcoholism among people who have had the surgery.

/but too lazy to Google a citation since I've heard it so often
 
2013-11-06 01:18:43 AM
i knew a large lady that had this procedure done and well... she still ate full size enchilada plates and everything else you could imagine.


/it did not appear to do much
 
2013-11-06 01:35:44 AM
I went to school with a gal that weighed around 475 lbs at 14 years old, 5'6". Her mom was also very large and would bring her dinner during band practice: an entire 14" pizza. She was on Dateline shortly after graduation and got gastric bypass when it was still a fairly new procedure. She got down to a little under 300 lbs, still very heavy but able to move and work much better.

Last year, at the age of 30, she dropped dead.

I'm not blaming the surgery or even her mother necessarily. I think weight issues are primarily a mental health issue and we need to get on that shiat ASAP. Her enabling mom needed help, and that poor child needed help long before it reached that point.
 
2013-11-06 08:58:53 AM
If they took a gun and put it in their mouth and pulled the trigger, there will be no more weight gain.
 
2013-11-06 09:17:54 AM
Yes, there has to be behavior adaptation after the surgery. You can still fail. however, the quick and visible success from the surgery provides more motivation to change that behavior that inefectual slow weight loss.  Gaining back 10 pounds after losing ten is nothing, just another yo-yo cycle Lose 100 or 200, and suddenyl it matters.

 Morbid obesity, especially to the point they kid can barely move, requires assistance, so the behavior of the enablers has to be addressed as well.
 
2013-11-06 09:59:59 AM
Eat right and exercise vs medical procedure.

 I wonder which one makes somebody more money?
 
2013-11-06 01:01:54 PM
It could be genetic. Did they even think of that? Sometimes people eat "hardly anything at all" and still gain weight.

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2013-11-06 02:36:13 PM

namegoeshere: Without addressing the underlying mental health/addiction issues involved with morbid obesity, surgery will not fix these kids. They will either gain it all back or switch the food addiction for a different one.


THIS.

There's a lot of people who are self medicating their depression and anxiety with food. I wonder if putting these people on Wellbutrin (one of the few anti-depressants that doesn't cause weight gain) and putting them into CBT/DBT therapy would work better.
 
2013-11-06 02:38:34 PM

Moonfisher: I went to school with a gal that weighed around 475 lbs at 14 years old, 5'6". Her mom was also very large and would bring her dinner during band practice: an entire 14" pizza. She was on Dateline shortly after graduation and got gastric bypass when it was still a fairly new procedure. She got down to a little under 300 lbs, still very heavy but able to move and work much better.

Last year, at the age of 30, she dropped dead.

I'm not blaming the surgery or even her mother necessarily. I think weight issues are primarily a mental health issue and we need to get on that shiat ASAP. Her enabling mom needed help, and that poor child needed help long before it reached that point.


I'm pretty sure that Munchhausen by Proxy
 
2013-11-06 04:52:41 PM

shortymac: namegoeshere: Without addressing the underlying mental health/addiction issues involved with morbid obesity, surgery will not fix these kids. They will either gain it all back or switch the food addiction for a different one.

THIS.

There's a lot of people who are self medicating their depression and anxiety with food. I wonder if putting these people on Wellbutrin (one of the few anti-depressants that doesn't cause weight gain) and putting them into CBT/DBT therapy would work better.


No, not for the morbidly obese. They have serious health issues, and the immediate need for loss outweights the slim chance that some anti-depressent is going to be successful.  They need somethign that will cause weight loss, ASAP.  Again, this isn't for chubby, slightly fat, or portly people, but for those severely obsese, whose life is beihng shortened. Liver issues, sleep apnea, blood pressure, onset of diabetes, those issues.
 
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