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(Washington Times)   US Navy SEALS have uniform patches taken away by Tea Party appropriation   (communities.washingtontimes.com) divider line 145
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2013-11-05 04:00:21 AM  
Funny, I"m in afghanistan now - with a lot of Navy personnel - and nobody has heard of this and everybody is still wearing the patch. Could it be - just MAYBE - that Tucker Carlson is yet again making up stories?
 
2013-11-05 04:04:55 AM  
They should take the patches away from the SEALs. In person. I'd like to see this. Preferably with popcorn and a beer.
 
2013-11-05 04:05:51 AM  
Snacks, I add, I wouldn't hesitate to offer to our service men and women after they wash the teeth off their knuckles.
 
2013-11-05 05:37:03 AM  
Former Navy Seal Carl Higbie claims a senior enlisted advisor has banned "Don't Tread On Me" uniform patches for active-duty operators.

hahahahaha!

No.
 
2013-11-05 05:40:01 AM  
 
2013-11-05 07:59:15 AM  

log_jammin: The Navy is flatly denying claims that SEALs are no longer allowed to wear the First Navy Jack patch on their uniforms. In fact, the Navy recently expanded the wear rules for the iconic "Don't Tread on Me Patch."

Oh look. another right wing lie.


That's not going to stop any of my veteran uncles from clogging my facebook and email with their outrage. All of them served with honor and do deserve our respect, but holy cow  do they get worked up over this shiat.
 
2013-11-05 08:01:42 AM  
This isn't a lie; this is the Washington Times just doing its job, just being vigilant. The media should be on guard, manning the watchtowers so Patriots can sleep. Do you want our watchmen to be one hundred percent sure they saw something move before they call for the day's watch-word? That's exactly what the administration wants, that's exactly when the commie bastards will sneak up and take our freedom.
The main stream media will let that happen. They're so afraid of being called foolish they won't even admit the truth, that sure, maybe this time it was just the wind rustling the trees, but it could have happened.
And that we're lucky the Times knows how to stand a watch.
 
2013-11-05 08:04:56 AM  

CPT Ethanolic: Funny, I"m in afghanistan now - with a lot of Navy personnel - and nobody has heard of this and everybody is still wearing the patch. Could it be - just MAYBE - that Tucker Carlson is yet again making up stories?


So Tucker doesn't know jack?
 
2013-11-05 09:04:44 AM  

CPT Ethanolic: Funny, I"m in afghanistan now - with a lot of Navy personnel - and nobody has heard of this and everybody is still wearing the patch. Could it be - just MAYBE - that Tucker Carlson is yet again making up stories?


The last time I was in Iraq, we had one of the local Iraqi tailors make up goofy unofficial patches and tabs.  Instead of cool-guy RANGER, SAPPER, or SPECIAL FORCES tabs, we had shiat like REGULAR GUY, SELECTION FAILURE or STOP LOSSED.  The local ODA team had the Evil Bunny head from "Donnie Darko" with THEY MADE ME DO IT stenciled on their trucks.

The 1st Infantry Division guys (The Big Red One) had unit patches with an actual red one against the grey ACU patches, instead of the black and grey approved patches.  Guys who were stationed at satellite outposts without obnoxious REMF officers or senior NCOs were cutting off their sleeves, growing nasty goatees and getting mohawks, and covering the walls of their barracks with spread browneye shots from Hustler.

Then the 4th Infantry Division became the headquarters unit for all of Iraq (or something like that) when they relieved the 1st Cavalry Division.  They cracked down on ANYTHING that wasn't Department of the Army, or Multi-National Force-Iraq approved.

We figured some Colonel or two-star, or Command Sergeant Major had a rod up his ass that Ned Flanders would envy.  Not even the whiniest, liberal moonbat blamed Bush for it.
 
2013-11-05 09:08:33 AM  
So, we've established it's bullshiat, but let's pretend it were true.  So farking what? The military is not a career for people who want leeway in their fashion choices. The military telling troops what they may and may not wear is about as far into "Don't Caaaaaaaarrrrrrreeeee" territory as you can get.
 
2013-11-05 09:09:46 AM  
I would like to ask Tiffany Madison many questions. Probing questions.
 
2013-11-05 09:11:36 AM  
what a terrible drawing of a snake

like even i could do better
 
2013-11-05 09:11:41 AM  
I'm pretty sure that the SEALS would follow orders without too much complaint.

Also this smells like bullshiat victimization-mongering.
 
2013-11-05 09:12:39 AM  
FTA: "The Jack is too closely associated with radical groups."

That's probably why the state of Virginia has Gadsden license plates for sale.
 
2013-11-05 09:12:54 AM  

CPT Ethanolic: Funny, I"m in afghanistan now - with a lot of Navy personnel - and nobody has heard of this and everybody is still wearing the patch. Could it be - just MAYBE - that Tucker Carlson is yet again making up stories?


But according to a guy who knows a guy who used to be in the navy who read an email by an unnamed source and then wrote a post on the daily caller, it's totally true. Thanks, Obama!
 
2013-11-05 09:13:59 AM  
I'm surprised that Metallica has tried to sue the Tebaggers for using the phrase "Don't Tread on Me"
 
2013-11-05 09:14:53 AM  
If the story is true, it'll turn out to be something some local officer said that only applies to whoever they command.

Probably bullshiat, thought.
 
2013-11-05 09:17:45 AM  
The comments to that article are way too rational.  Someone post the freerepublic version.
 
2013-11-05 09:18:09 AM  
Snakes on a Flag?

static01.mediaite.com
 
2013-11-05 09:18:20 AM  
Ok... I'm confused.  The article said that US Navy ships switched from flying the Union Jack to the First Navy Jack back in 2002.  But isn't the Union Jack the flag of the United Kingdom?  Could someone clear that up for me?
 
2013-11-05 09:18:38 AM  

log_jammin: The Navy is flatly denying claims that SEALs are no longer allowed to wear the First Navy Jack patch on their uniforms. In fact, the Navy recently expanded the wear rules for the iconic "Don't Tread on Me Patch."

Oh look. another right wing lie.


Lie?
So what? Does it give the RW perpetual martyrs something to get worked up about?

Then it's perfect.

The people these stories are aimed at, the FW:FW:FW: folks will not check into it. They wont bother clicking the debunking links their sane friends and relatives offer. They'll just chew on this for a day or two, curse 0blammo and the Liebruls that support the tyranny they pretend exists, and nod solemnly at the teabag flag on their wall. Then on to the next fantastic pile of pure bullshiat served up by the RW scam machine.

/I know this is old news...just ranting
 
2013-11-05 09:20:00 AM  

Some Bass Playing Guy: If the story is true, it'll turn out to be something some local officer said that only applies to whoever they command.

Probably bullshiat, thought.


Local senior chief or master chief, that is... although why believe any word of the story over another?  Your theory is just as plausible as mine.
 
2013-11-05 09:20:47 AM  
Citizen Warrior?

Your blog sucks.

FTA: The Department of Defense has not banned the patches as an official policy,
 
2013-11-05 09:21:03 AM  
The headline was a pretty good joke. The story is a ridiculously bad joke.
 
2013-11-05 09:21:23 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-11-05 09:23:06 AM  

Andyxc: Ok... I'm confused.  The article said that US Navy ships switched from flying the Union Jack to the First Navy Jack back in 2002.  But isn't the Union Jack the flag of the United Kingdom?  Could someone clear that up for me?



Watch a little SpongeBob, read WikedPedia. You may find a jack is a square, nautical flag. An American Union Jack may look like this:

www.usflags.com
Certain, few US vessels may have the privilege of flying other colors which the "Don't tread on me" flag was one of them.
 
2013-11-05 09:24:00 AM  

Sgt Otter: CPT Ethanolic: Funny, I"m in afghanistan now - with a lot of Navy personnel - and nobody has heard of this and everybody is still wearing the patch. Could it be - just MAYBE - that Tucker Carlson is yet again making up stories?

The last time I was in Iraq, we had one of the local Iraqi tailors make up goofy unofficial patches and tabs.  Instead of cool-guy RANGER, SAPPER, or SPECIAL FORCES tabs, we had shiat like REGULAR GUY, SELECTION FAILURE or STOP LOSSED.  The local ODA team had the Evil Bunny head from "Donnie Darko" with THEY MADE ME DO IT stenciled on their trucks.

The 1st Infantry Division guys (The Big Red One) had unit patches with an actual red one against the grey ACU patches, instead of the black and grey approved patches.  Guys who were stationed at satellite outposts without obnoxious REMF officers or senior NCOs were cutting off their sleeves, growing nasty goatees and getting mohawks, and covering the walls of their barracks with spread browneye shots from Hustler.

Then the 4th Infantry Division became the headquarters unit for all of Iraq (or something like that) when they relieved the 1st Cavalry Division.  They cracked down on ANYTHING that wasn't Department of the Army, or Multi-National Force-Iraq approved.

We figured some Colonel or two-star, or Command Sergeant Major had a rod up his ass that Ned Flanders would envy.  Not even the whiniest, liberal moonbat blamed Bush for it.


I feel bad for the 4th ID guys here with us right now. They are only authorized to wear FRACUs or PTs, no civilian clothes like everyone else.

Also, they still have to wear the PT belt even though the new policy got rid of that.
 
2013-11-05 09:24:43 AM  
i47.tinypic.com
 
2013-11-05 09:24:59 AM  
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Navy_Jack

FTFWIKI:
First Navy Jack has been authorized for wear as a patch by sailors assigned to and serving with Army units, at the discretion of the local Army commander

Chances are if there is any truth to this original e-mail, it went to a handful of SEALs assigned to serve with the Army were asked to only wear the US flag to standardize their uniform with their fellow service members.
 
2013-11-05 09:25:50 AM  

log_jammin: The Navy is flatly denying claims that SEALs are no longer allowed to wear the First Navy Jack patch on their uniforms. In fact, the Navy recently expanded the wear rules for the iconic "Don't Tread on Me Patch."

Oh look. another right wing lie.


If we Fw:Fw:fw:fwd:fw:FW:fwd:FWd it enough, it will become true.
 
2013-11-05 09:26:09 AM  

Sgt Otter: CPT Ethanolic: Funny, I"m in afghanistan now - with a lot of Navy personnel - and nobody has heard of this and everybody is still wearing the patch. Could it be - just MAYBE - that Tucker Carlson is yet again making up stories?

The last time I was in Iraq, we had one of the local Iraqi tailors make up goofy unofficial patches and tabs.  Instead of cool-guy RANGER, SAPPER, or SPECIAL FORCES tabs, we had shiat like REGULAR GUY, SELECTION FAILURE or STOP LOSSED.  The local ODA team had the Evil Bunny head from "Donnie Darko" with THEY MADE ME DO IT stenciled on their trucks.

The 1st Infantry Division guys (The Big Red One) had unit patches with an actual red one against the grey ACU patches, instead of the black and grey approved patches.  Guys who were stationed at satellite outposts without obnoxious REMF officers or senior NCOs were cutting off their sleeves, growing nasty goatees and getting mohawks, and covering the walls of their barracks with spread browneye shots from Hustler.

Then the 4th Infantry Division became the headquarters unit for all of Iraq (or something like that) when they relieved the 1st Cavalry Division.  They cracked down on ANYTHING that wasn't Department of the Army, or Multi-National Force-Iraq approved.

We figured some Colonel or two-star, or Command Sergeant Major had a rod up his ass that Ned Flanders would envy.  Not even the whiniest, liberal moonbat blamed Bush for it.


This was around '06?
You're welcome. As a former 4ID Infantryman in Iraq at that time, those brown eye shots and morale patches were hurting morale and making those of us with lighter colored brown eyes feel bad.

/Thought those rules were stupid at the time. Buddy caught hell for a stop-lossed patch
//Still thinking stenciling and naming your vehicles is tanker garbage
 
2013-11-05 09:26:40 AM  
If you go to war to defend my country, you can wear any patch you damn well please.
 
2013-11-05 09:28:39 AM  
I'm glad this is bullshiat. I'd hate to think the Navy Seals were a bunch of little crybabies as depicted in the article.
 
2013-11-05 09:28:54 AM  

airsupport: If you go to war to defend my country, you can wear any patch you damn well please.


No, they really can't.
 
2013-11-05 09:31:12 AM  
And the SEALs may say screw it and where them anyway:

FTA:  " The Department of Defense has not banned the patches as an official policy, and were not available for comment at the time of publication."
 
2013-11-05 09:31:39 AM  

factoryconnection: Some Bass Playing Guy: If the story is true, it'll turn out to be something some local officer said that only applies to whoever they command.

Probably bullshiat, thought.

Local senior chief or master chief, that is... although why believe any word of the story over another?  Your theory is just as plausible as mine.


Our Command Sergeant Major HATED those "hot weather combat shirt" things, that you wear directly under your body armor, so it still sort of looks like you're wearing a standard top.  If he caught you wearing one without your vest on, your ass was grass.  I guess in Tucker Carlson's world, I'm supposed to end this with, "THANKS, OBAMA!"

www.armyproperty.com

These things.

/The star field on the U.S. flag is supposed to be towards the front, genius.
 
2013-11-05 09:32:47 AM  
You'd think that they would try a different line of attack after having the story about Obama mandating unisex hats for Marines blow up in their faces.
 
2013-11-05 09:32:55 AM  

doglover: They should take the patches away from the SEALs. In person. I'd like to see this. Preferably with popcorn and a beer.


Why?  They'd just hand them over.  Our SEALs are highly disciplined soldiers, not childish thugs.
 
2013-11-05 09:33:13 AM  
When you saw only one set of hoverround tracks, it was then that I carried you.
 
2013-11-05 09:35:35 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: airsupport: If you go to war to defend my country, you can wear any patch you damn well please.

No, they really can't.


Yeah, patches and most esoteric shiat like challenge coins gets REALLY specific, to the point where your ass will get beat down without mercy or question if you have the wrong one in some cases.

Then again, like I said before, I'll chip in for the plane ticket to send these Tea Baggers to the nearest FOB with SEALs to go try and collect their patches. (But only if there's a camera crew to record the event for posterity)
 
2013-11-05 09:35:57 AM  
More manufactured outrage from the Mooney Times.
 
2013-11-05 09:37:54 AM  

Sgt Otter: These things.

/The star field on the U.S. flag is supposed to be towards the front, genius.


Okay, for some reason, that made me giggle uncontrollably for a few minutes.
 
2013-11-05 09:38:02 AM  

Some Bass Playing Guy: If the story is true, it'll turn out to be something some local officer said that only applies to whoever they command.



No, this goes all the way to the top - it's right there in the article: "Higbie [...] believes the Obama administration is waging war on the Navy's heritage in pursuit of political correctness"

We need Darrell Issa to find out what Obama knew about this and when he knew it. 7 hearings a week, 52 derps a potato.
 
2013-11-05 09:38:23 AM  

airsupport: If you go to war to defend my country, you can wear any patch you damn well please.


Cool, I get my I rape babies and eat grandmas patch ready.

Stupid statement is stupid.
 
2013-11-05 09:41:54 AM  
Carl Higbie is a bit of a nutter. Read the summary of his book on Amazon, which is also the reason he had to leave the Seals.
 
2013-11-05 09:44:46 AM  

Jackson Herring: what a terrible drawing of a snake

like even i could do better


well, it's not on the same level as a 6 legged spider, but it's not horrible
 
2013-11-05 09:44:58 AM  

airsupport: If you go to war to defend my country, you can wear any patch you damn well please.


Like a hammer and sickle patch?


slayer199: And the SEALs may say screw it and where them anyway:

FTA:  " The Department of Defense has not banned the patches as an official policy, and were not available for comment at the time of publication."


Why would they have to when this story is complete bullshiat and in fact the opposite of what's happening - as pointed out early in the thread.

It's just another sad lie meant to outrage the GOP base against the POTUS. The folks making it up figure they'll get folks up in arms, and then those folks will never bother hearing the followup debunking or won't believe it if they do. Viola, the damage is done and the base is misinformed and manipulated for the jillionth time.
 
2013-11-05 09:44:59 AM  

airsupport: If you go to war to defend my country, you can wear any patch you damn well please.


That is not how the military works. You are a chicken hawk so you would not know this.
 
2013-11-05 09:46:40 AM  

TwoBeersOneCan: doglover: They should take the patches away from the SEALs. In person. I'd like to see this. Preferably with popcorn and a beer.

Why?  They'd just hand them over.  Our SEALs are highly disciplined soldiers, not childish thugs.


I think the FW:FW:FW: people genuinely think the SEALs started voluntarily electing to wear First Navy Jack patches as a show of solidarity with people who wave the Gadsen Flag to protest "pResident" Obama and not because, you know, it's a historic symbol of the US Navy that the government began providing/authorizing for wear. Yes, you will always get people complaining when the uniform is changed (either design changes from the top or enforcement changes due to a commanding officer being a stickler), but this idea of the military as some independent entity that serves the US government hesitantly and is ready to "restore Constitutional order" if the bureaucracy tests their patience is hilarious (and shows a severe misunderstanding of democracy and why we once were proud that we had civilian control of the military.)
 
2013-11-05 09:48:35 AM  
The only patch I recognize goes over the eye.

Arrrrrrr.
 
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