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2013-11-05 12:19:25 AM  
You can take windows 98 out of my cold dead h
 
2013-11-05 12:20:00 AM  
Sorry had to reboot
 
2013-11-05 12:59:58 AM  
I think they should bring back Windows XP Professional, re-brand it as Windows 9, and be done with it.
 
2013-11-05 01:01:29 AM  
My laptop is dying, need a new one.  Win 7 sells at a premium.  Win 8.1 isn't showing up in shopping lists.  Don't want Win 8, and don't want my first task after unboxing a $700 laptop to be upgrade the damned OS.

So yeah, you can pry my WinXP lappy out of my cold dead hands yadda yadda yadda.
 
2013-11-05 01:16:53 AM  

Fark Me To Tears: I think they should bring back Windows XP Professional, re-brand it as Windows 9, and be done with it.


because windows xp is total and utter garbage? well, at least the interface is "familiar" but everything under that interface is a hellish nightmare. at least win8 is a clean kernel.
 
2013-11-05 01:28:32 AM  

Snotnose: My laptop is dying, need a new one.  Win 7 sells at a premium.  Win 8.1 isn't showing up in shopping lists.  Don't want Win 8, and don't want my first task after unboxing a $700 laptop to be upgrade the damned OS.

So yeah, you can pry my WinXP lappy out of my cold dead hands yadda yadda yadda.


I don't know what the premium is, but windows 7 is a huge improvement over xp. And if I needed another computer right now I'd probably pay an extra hundred or two or whatever it would be to stay away from 8.whatever. And if I was running xp it would be worth the total cost to finally graduate away from xp.

I say all this as someone who does not work in computers, so farkers may tear me a new one if they must, but my hands are up as a disclaimer. Not a pro.
 
2013-11-05 02:28:24 AM  
I have three machines. Newer PC (Win 8) and two laptops (one with XP & the other with Win 7). XP machine is still my favorite, but mostly use it for email nowadays because it's on its last legs.

Yes, I like XP, so sue me.
 
2013-11-05 02:29:37 AM  
I've been using 8 for over a year now and don't see anything wrong with it. If I were getting a new computer I'd be happy to get 8.1 on it, instead of 7.
 
2013-11-05 02:34:39 AM  

violentsalvation: Snotnose: My laptop is dying, need a new one.  Win 7 sells at a premium.  Win 8.1 isn't showing up in shopping lists.  Don't want Win 8, and don't want my first task after unboxing a $700 laptop to be upgrade the damned OS.

So yeah, you can pry my WinXP lappy out of my cold dead hands yadda yadda yadda.

I don't know what the premium is, but windows 7 is a huge improvement over xp. And if I needed another computer right now I'd probably pay an extra hundred or two or whatever it would be to stay away from 8.whatever. And if I was running xp it would be worth the total cost to finally graduate away from xp.

I say all this as someone who does not work in computers, so farkers may tear me a new one if they must, but my hands are up as a disclaimer. Not a pro.


Hear, hear. As a non-nerd but huge user (over 360 days a year, probably averaging two hours a day on Mickeysoft platforms) I really found Win7 to be a relief.

And I was amused to be told it was a striped-down, cleaned-up Vista.
 
2013-11-05 02:53:32 AM  
Literally all they had to do was remake Windows 7 but make it faster and more secure.

The design changes all suck.
 
2013-11-05 02:55:51 AM  

BioStormX: Literally all they had to do was remake Windows 7 but make it faster and more secure.

The design changes all suck.


And then Microsoft would have to offer it as a free service pack.
 
2013-11-05 03:12:09 AM  
I tried it at some store but it didn't have Safari so I couldn't go on all the facebook sites like yahoo or this Fark page or whatever so I'm going to stick with a laptop until they fix that. The guy said the Windows 8 could go on facebook too because it has a web but after I argued with him for a long time he told me never mind forget it so I think I dodged a bullet there. He thought I was just browsing but I probably would have bought a Windows if it worked right.
 
2013-11-05 03:16:13 AM  
Lol... nobody is buying it to upgrade their older machines.
 
2013-11-05 03:21:37 AM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: I tried it at some store but it didn't have Safari so I couldn't go on all the facebook sites like yahoo or this Fark page or whatever so I'm going to stick with a laptop until they fix that. The guy said the Windows 8 could go on facebook too because it has a web but after I argued with him for a long time he told me never mind forget it so I think I dodged a bullet there. He thought I was just browsing but I probably would have bought a Windows if it worked right.


i22.photobucket.com
 
2013-11-05 03:28:53 AM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: I tried it at some store but it didn't have Safari so I couldn't go on all the facebook sites like yahoo or this Fark page or whatever so I'm going to stick with a laptop until they fix that. The guy said the Windows 8 could go on facebook too because it has a web but after I argued with him for a long time he told me never mind forget it so I think I dodged a bullet there. He thought I was just browsing but I probably would have bought a Windows if it worked right.


media.tumblr.com
 
2013-11-05 03:39:28 AM  
Livingroom:
because windows xp is total and utter garbage? well, at least the interface is "familiar" but everything under that interface is a hellish nightmare. at least win8 is a clean kernel.

lolol yes Win 8 is a "clean kernel"  in the same way this is a "clean child"
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At this point, the NT kernel Windows is based on, has so much legacy code sat in it, that the engineers that would have been able to strip it out have long since retired...and this is MS's number one problem.They daren't remove any of it, in case it breaks something irrevocably.
 
2013-11-05 03:39:32 AM  
What the hell is wrong with the people in charge of this company? Windows 8 is a failure that nobody likes to the point where consumers are actively seeking out Windows 7 machines instead, and paying extra to get them.

Microsoft management: "Derr herr. They just don't get Metro yet. Derrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr."

No wonder this country's economy collapsed. Everything's run by morons.
 
2013-11-05 03:42:17 AM  
Well, technically speaking, I guess you could describe unusable as more secure.
 
2013-11-05 03:46:50 AM  

Livingroom: Fark Me To Tears: I think they should bring back Windows XP Professional, re-brand it as Windows 9, and be done with it.

because windows xp is total and utter garbage? well, at least the interface is "familiar" but everything under that interface is a hellish nightmare. at least win8 is a clean kernel.


So put XP over the 8 kernel.
 
2013-11-05 03:49:26 AM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: Well, technically speaking, I guess you could describe unusable as more secure.


It'll be a lot more secure after you smash it in pure frustration.
 
2013-11-05 03:52:06 AM  

doczoidberg: What the hell is wrong with the people in charge of this company? Windows 8 is a failure that nobody likes to the point where consumers are actively seeking out Windows 7 machines instead, and paying extra to get them.

Microsoft management: "Derr herr. They just don't get Metro yet. Derrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr."

No wonder this country's economy collapsed. Everything's run by morons.


It's the failure of capitalism. The best products don't win out, the most profitable ones do. And one lucky break, like riding the wave of innovation like Bill Gates did1, can build up such a pile of profit that the company can spend its way through tough times, drive the competition away, and create a monopoly or oligopoly.

1 Not that what Bill Gates wasn't an insanely driven man and hard worker, but he would not be making the bread he was today now that computers are established tech.
 
2013-11-05 03:52:20 AM  

Livingroom: Fark Me To Tears: I think they should bring back Windows XP Professional, re-brand it as Windows 9, and be done with it.

because windows xp is total and utter garbage? well, at least the interface is "familiar" but everything under that interface is a hellish nightmare. at least win8 is a clean kernel.


So what? What good is a clean kernel if people hate using the OS?
 
2013-11-05 03:59:50 AM  

doczoidberg: What the hell is wrong with the people in charge of this company? Windows 8 is a failure that nobody likes to the point where consumers are actively seeking out Windows 7 machines instead, and paying extra to get them.

Microsoft management: "Derr herr. They just don't get Metro yet. Derrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr."

No wonder this country's economy collapsed. Everything's run by morons.


Because if it's one thing I want in a computer is an interface that looks like a 1997 copy of Wired magazine. Tiles? On a desktop? What idiot thought that up? Hell, tiles suck donkey balls on the XBox 360.

What's really biting Microsoft on the ass is that if you bought a reasonably powerful computer in the last three to five years, you really don't need to upgrade, and won't for a while.
 
2013-11-05 04:00:42 AM  
I bought my wife a new Samsung laptop a couple months ago because what I had read about 8.1 made it sound like things would be liveable.

8.0 has a lot of issues. The 8.1 update came out, I applied it and it really screwed up the machine. Made it impossible to boot and the automatic recovery stuff didn't work. It took me a while but I eventually got it restored to factory defaults. A lot of searching makes it look like it is a driver issue. I'm not going anywhere near 8.1 until Samsung rolls out some updates. They suck.

Last night I'm using it and a banner pops up across the entire screen - on top of all windows - and it wont let me make it go away. The only choice I have is to click through to the store as it prompts me to upgrade to 8.1 Of course I know this path leads to madness so I just go to the store, then hop back to the desktop. What a dick move though - hijacking my screen to push their broken crap on me like that.

I really was on the fence about making the jump to Mac. I decided to give MS a chance and apparently they want to make sure I regret it.
 
2013-11-05 04:02:31 AM  

stoolpigeon: I really was on the fence about making the jump to Mac. I decided to give MS a chance and apparently they want to make sure I regret it.


Don't be a shill.

You have a perfectly cromulent box right there. Slap some Fedora or Ubuntu on that shiat and away we go.
 
2013-11-05 04:10:13 AM  
I run Fedora on my personal machines. My wife is a school teacher and needs to run some software that means she needs to be on Win or Mac.

I keep one win machine myself for a couple programs I need - though I don't use it a lot.

So I know Fedora pretty well and I know Windows pretty well. I have never used osx much and that is what made me hesitant to make the jump. But honestly it was stupid of me. I paid about the same as what I've had paid on a macbook air and the support is horrific. I had to work out how to fix the failed 8.1 install on my own.

I wouldn't be quick to try and put linux on that box either do to the issues I've read about with uefi and samsung machines.
 
2013-11-05 04:12:01 AM  

stoolpigeon: My wife is a school teacher and needs to run some software that means she needs to be on Win or Mac.


Best find a 7 machine or get a Mac then. I hate proprietary shiat. You COULD run it on VM ware if you knew what you were doing, I'm told, but...

Alas. You're screwed there. Damn corporate stuff.
 
2013-11-05 04:15:22 AM  
Win 8.1
Boot to desktop
Show my desktop background on Start
Show the Apps view automatically when I go to Start
Sort apps by category
Pin anything worthwhile to Taskbar.
(Optional) uninstall or hide any Metro apps

There you go - Windows 7 with a better Start menu. And slightly faster too.

/ hated every MS product until SP1 (and 8.1 is just that)
// still remember what a piece of crap XP RTM was.
 
2013-11-05 05:03:20 AM  
Have acquired three 8.1 machines this year. Not feeling the hate.
To me, it's just a new MS operating system. Not much different or better than it's predecessor.
I've never seen any percentage in getting worked up about this stuff - it's easier just to adapt.
 
2013-11-05 05:19:42 AM  
I use a Mac. I switched 3 years ago, so I don't have any idea what a Windows 8 is, but it sounds horrible.

I used to waste a lot of time fiddling with the OS trying to get it to work how I like, but once I switched over to Mac, everything just works out of the box. I have a ton more free time because I'm not bogged down by a brain dead OS.
 
2013-11-05 05:24:55 AM  
I was very bewildered by the Win8 interface at first, but once I got to grips with it I found that it isn't any more efficient than the Win7 interface.  So, I'm OK now and I am not planning to downgrade, but I still wonder what the whole point was.
 
2013-11-05 05:31:17 AM  

bifford: I found that it isn't any more efficient than the Win7 interface


Maybe that is the problem.
 
2013-11-05 05:32:04 AM  

beer4breakfast: BioStormX: Literally all they had to do was remake Windows 7 but make it faster and more secure.

The design changes all suck.

And then Microsoft would have to offer it as a free service pack.


Really? Like with Vista->Windows 7 being offered as a free service pack despite having a negligible amount of changes?
 
2013-11-05 05:58:22 AM  

doglover: So put XP over the 8 kernel.


Honestly, this.  Some level of emulation to effectively ape the interface of previous versions would be nice.

xria: Really? Like with Vista->Windows 7 being offered as a free service pack despite having a negligible amount of changes?


The Vista -> 7 upgrade was, in fact, free, if you'd bought your copy of vista in the year or so preceding the release of 7 and you activated the upgrade within the first year or so of 7 being released.  I was under the impression they usually do that, actually, it's not quite the blatant scam Apple's OSes are.
 
2013-11-05 06:06:58 AM  
If you want to, you can make windows 8 act and look just like 7 or even xp.

People who hate on 8 have read other people's complaints and never actually tried it themselves, they're just regurgitating nonsense.
 
2013-11-05 06:09:57 AM  
I purchased a new laptop a few months ago, and have installed the 8.1 service pack. The biggest annoyance in the initial set up of the up of the computer and the install of 8.1 was the way MS tries very hard to hide the "not a cloud computer" set-up. Resistance is not quite futile, but it's a PITA.

The other big annoyance in 8.1 was those "hints" that override everything and the ONLY way I found to make them go away was to swipe them. Which I had to do with my mouse, on a touch-screen laptop (and I tried finger swiping on the screen multiple times).

I personally think the Metro interface is ugly, and scroll up and down on a mouse to go sideways in Metro is, well, counter intuitive. And the "hot corners" were annoying, not helpful. I would like to be able to easily edit the groups on the "All Apps" view. If you like Metro, good for you.

Classic Shell works for me, but the need for a third-party solution makes me feel that MS didn't understand the frustration they were introducing into the market.

At least I only have to worry about my computers. My brother works in a retirement community (condos) and among other things, does computer support for the residents.
 
2013-11-05 06:24:51 AM  
Windows 8 is fine, if you have average-or-better intelligence, and/or aren't a geezer.
 
2013-11-05 06:29:15 AM  

KeatingFive: Windows 8 is fine, if you have average-or-better intelligence, and/or aren't a geezer.


Lots of things are fine. Asparagus and liver is fine to eat, but I'm not paying for it. If windows 8 was free, I'd use it. Seeing as they want money, I'll keep 7 and XP running as long as those images last then switch to a -nix.
 
2013-11-05 06:29:18 AM  

Atillathepun: If you want to, you can make windows 8 act and look just like 7 or even xp.

People who hate on 8 have read other people's complaints and never actually tried it themselves, they're just regurgitating nonsense.


Yeah, although I don't see the point of the Metro interface (I have never tried a Surface), I think the hate for Win8 is unfair.  Learning curve aside, it feels as robust and functional as Win7.
 
2013-11-05 06:29:41 AM  

doglover: KeatingFive: Windows 8 is fine, if you have average-or-better intelligence, and/or aren't a geezer.

Lots of things are fine. Asparagus and liver is fine to eat, but I'm not paying for it. If windows 8 was free, I'd use it. Seeing as they want money, I'll keep 7 and XP running as long as those images last then switch to a -nix.


What's wrong with asparagus?
 
2013-11-05 06:39:18 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: doglover: KeatingFive: Windows 8 is fine, if you have average-or-better intelligence, and/or aren't a geezer.

Lots of things are fine. Asparagus and liver is fine to eat, but I'm not paying for it. If windows 8 was free, I'd use it. Seeing as they want money, I'll keep 7 and XP running as long as those images last then switch to a -nix.

What's wrong with asparagus?


It's a net negative. It tastes like nothing, costs too much, and makes your piss smell foul. + - - total -.

If it's freely offered, I'll eat it. But I ain't about to pay one silver yen for it.
 
2013-11-05 06:45:22 AM  

doglover: AverageAmericanGuy: doglover: KeatingFive: Windows 8 is fine, if you have average-or-better intelligence, and/or aren't a geezer.

Lots of things are fine. Asparagus and liver is fine to eat, but I'm not paying for it. If windows 8 was free, I'd use it. Seeing as they want money, I'll keep 7 and XP running as long as those images last then switch to a -nix.

What's wrong with asparagus?

It's a net negative. It tastes like nothing, costs too much, and makes your piss smell foul. + - - total -.

If it's freely offered, I'll eat it. But I ain't about to pay one silver yen for it.


You are insane. Asparagus is ambrosia. The taste. The smell. The texture. It is heaven-sent.
 
2013-11-05 06:45:46 AM  
LEAVE WINDOWS 8 ALONE!

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2013-11-05 06:48:14 AM  

doglover: KeatingFive: Windows 8 is fine, if you have average-or-better intelligence, and/or aren't a geezer.

Lots of things are fine. Asparagus and liver is fine to eat, but I'm not paying for it. If windows 8 was free, I'd use it. Seeing as they want money, I'll keep 7 and XP running as long as those images last then switch to a -nix.


So, are you old, or stupid? Windows 8 is free when you buy a new computer, just like XP was free and windows 7 was free, when you bought those computers

It works fine. It's faster than 7. XP is dangerously insecure anymore. You sound like those old people that would come in and bug our PC techs to work on their Windows 95 machines.
 
2013-11-05 06:52:02 AM  
I will look at Windows 8 as soon as it gets certified by our government clients and I can actually develop for it. Windows 9 should be the good one, right?
 
2013-11-05 07:01:57 AM  
Microsoft could easily give people the ability to customize the crap out of the UI to suit their tastes. That it doesn't is a sign of what they really think of their customers across the board.
 
2013-11-05 07:14:06 AM  
If Microsoft would reintroduce the introductory upgrade pricing again I would finally consider moving from 7 to 8.1.

However, when they released 8.1 they removed ALL upgrade versions from the market; you have to pay the new "lower price" full OS price.  So it's $200 for 8.1 Professional.
 
2013-11-05 07:22:16 AM  

KeatingFive: Windows 8 is free when you buy a new computer


No, it's not. It's added to the total price of the machine at check out. Do you even read your receipts?
 
2013-11-05 07:27:14 AM  

doglover: KeatingFive: Windows 8 is free when you buy a new computer

No, it's not. It's added to the total price of the machine at check out. Do you even read your receipts?


Hoo boy. This is going to end well.
 
2013-11-05 07:28:57 AM  

KeatingFive: doglover: KeatingFive: Windows 8 is fine, if you have average-or-better intelligence, and/or aren't a geezer.

Lots of things are fine. Asparagus and liver is fine to eat, but I'm not paying for it. If windows 8 was free, I'd use it. Seeing as they want money, I'll keep 7 and XP running as long as those images last then switch to a -nix.

So, are you old, or stupid? Windows 8 is free when you buy a new computer, just like XP was free and windows 7 was free, when you bought those computers

It works fine. It's faster than 7. XP is dangerously insecure anymore. You sound like those old people that would come in and bug our PC techs to work on their Windows 95 machines.


Free? Let me guess, you buy Dell's. Some of us actually purchase the OS outright, either as an upgrade or when we're building our own computers. It doesn't magically appear in the big box from Newegg.
 
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