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2013-11-04 07:18:53 PM
Mike_1962:

Oh, don't misunderstand me. I have no problem with the Bible as it stands, or the Qu'ran, or Hindu or other Asian philisophical/historical/religious texts. They all have their own value, and in many cases the value is of great worth. It's just that EVERYTHING is dynamic. If your beliefs can't encompass that, in today's world your in a metaphysical trap. In your own case, I believe you're Buddhist. That's a good example of great worth. A flexible dynamic philosophy/belief that gets applied to the world around you, you don't force the world to conform to it.

Pagan, actually.  But your point is well taken.  flexibility is important, especially when it comes to faith.  if we aren't flexible enough to accept that some people are always gonna be different and we need to leave well enough alone...then things get stabby and before you know it someone is getting burned at the stake in a town square somewhere.
 
2013-11-04 07:19:10 PM

StopLurkListen: foo monkey: Can we stop calling him Ted and call him Rafael?

Nah, we call people what they want to be called. Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, Mitt Romney ... To do otherwise is only a tacky signal of disrespect, and just reflects poorly on you, not the target of your disrespect.


It's not like we're calling him 0bummer.  It's his given name.
 
2013-11-04 07:20:29 PM

what_now: When you hear all these things about homosexual marriage, this has nothing to do with homosexual rights. Did you know that? The whole objective is the destruction of the traditional family, it has nothing to do with homosexuals, they could care less about homosexuals, they want to destroy the family.

When Massachusetts became the first state to celebrate gay marriages, we were all so happy! Then we found out that our families were destroyed.

My state issued gay wife has forced me to wear sensible shoes and attend Tori Amos concerts with her, and I just want it to stop. I farking hate quinoa- it's not even real food.

If you care about your family, don't let this happen to you!


What's quinoa?  We got gay marriage in my state not too long ago, but I haven't been assigned to my gay husband yet, so there's a lot I haven't learned yet.  Am I gonna have to eat this "quinoa" stuff, or is it just for wimmin?
 
2013-11-04 07:28:10 PM

Raoul Eaton: what_now: When you hear all these things about homosexual marriage, this has nothing to do with homosexual rights. Did you know that? The whole objective is the destruction of the traditional family, it has nothing to do with homosexuals, they could care less about homosexuals, they want to destroy the family.

When Massachusetts became the first state to celebrate gay marriages, we were all so happy! Then we found out that our families were destroyed.

My state issued gay wife has forced me to wear sensible shoes and attend Tori Amos concerts with her, and I just want it to stop. I farking hate quinoa- it's not even real food.

If you care about your family, don't let this happen to you!

What's quinoa?  We got gay marriage in my state not too long ago, but I haven't been assigned to my gay husband yet, so there's a lot I haven't learned yet.  Am I gonna have to eat this "quinoa" stuff, or is it just for wimmin?


Apparently it helps your team win games.
 
2013-11-04 07:32:32 PM

The RIchest Man in Babylon: I can't wait to watch the same people who screamed for months about Jeremiah Wright try to claim that Ted Cruz's pops' opinions have NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH TED AND IF YOU SAY OTHERWISE YOUR (sic) A RACIST.


Has Rafael Cruz said anything that the GOP (well, the Tea Party which is apparently the only part of the GOP that counts anymore) actually disagrees with?  They are fully onboard with this "evolution is a communist lie" thing.
 
2013-11-04 07:32:37 PM

Weaver95: Mike_1962:

Oh, don't misunderstand me. I have no problem with the Bible as it stands, or the Qu'ran, or Hindu or other Asian philisophical/historical/religious texts. They all have their own value, and in many cases the value is of great worth. It's just that EVERYTHING is dynamic. If your beliefs can't encompass that, in today's world your in a metaphysical trap. In your own case, I believe you're Buddhist. That's a good example of great worth. A flexible dynamic philosophy/belief that gets applied to the world around you, you don't force the world to conform to it.

Pagan, actually.  But your point is well taken.  flexibility is important, especially when it comes to faith.  if we aren't flexible enough to accept that some people are always gonna be different and we need to leave well enough alone...then things get stabby and before you know it someone is getting burned at the stake in a town square somewhere.


North Europe version? I would catagorize myself as agnostic. I'd expand on that, but carpal tunnel is sort of sticking it's hooks in just now. In a nutshell, we all have our own gods...grouping together about them results a a wide range of behaviour. Mass grouping tends to be unfortunate in the modern world.
 
2013-11-04 07:36:22 PM

Mike_1962: Weaver95: Mike_1962:

Oh, don't misunderstand me. I have no problem with the Bible as it stands, or the Qu'ran, or Hindu or other Asian philisophical/historical/religious texts. They all have their own value, and in many cases the value is of great worth. It's just that EVERYTHING is dynamic. If your beliefs can't encompass that, in today's world your in a metaphysical trap. In your own case, I believe you're Buddhist. That's a good example of great worth. A flexible dynamic philosophy/belief that gets applied to the world around you, you don't force the world to conform to it.

Pagan, actually.  But your point is well taken.  flexibility is important, especially when it comes to faith.  if we aren't flexible enough to accept that some people are always gonna be different and we need to leave well enough alone...then things get stabby and before you know it someone is getting burned at the stake in a town square somewhere.

North Europe version? I would catagorize myself as agnostic. I'd expand on that, but carpal tunnel is sort of sticking it's hooks in just now. In a nutshell, we all have our own gods...grouping together about them results a a wide range of behaviour. Mass grouping tends to be unfortunate in the modern world.


Oh, and for the Christians out there, CS Lewis had Aslan saying that the good you did in someone else's name is still good, the evil in my name has nothing to do with who I really am or what I ask. (Paraphrased)
 
2013-11-04 07:36:41 PM

roadkillontheweb: Has anyone bothered to ask Ted if the world is flat or round?
Does he think the Sun rotates around the earth?
I think these questions need to be asked.


controversy.wearscience.com
 
2013-11-04 07:38:58 PM
Mike_1962:

North Europe version? I would catagorize myself as agnostic. I'd expand on that, but carpal tunnel is sort of sticking it's hooks in just now. In a nutshell, we all have our own gods...grouping together about them results a a wide range of behaviour. Mass grouping tends to be unfortunate in the modern world.

more of a cafeteria pagan - some wiccan, some egyptian (I love the concept of Ma'at), some celtic.  with a bit of techno pagan thrown in for good measure.
 
2013-11-04 07:39:37 PM
Please proceed, GOP.
 
2013-11-04 07:41:24 PM

flondrix: roadkillontheweb: Has anyone bothered to ask Ted if the world is flat or round?
Does he think the Sun rotates around the earth?
I think these questions need to be asked.

[controversy.wearscience.com image 650x650]


I just happened to (accidentally) wear one of these T-shirts today (just luck of the draw-er).
 
2013-11-04 07:44:10 PM

Weaver95: Pagan, actually. But your point is well taken. flexibility is important, especially when it comes to faith. if we aren't flexible enough to accept that some people are always gonna be different and we need to leave well enough alone...then things get stabby and before you know it someone is getting burned at the stake in a town square somewhere.


Weav, I'm going to preface this question by noting that my farky for you is,"didn't drink the kool-aid". What is the difference between paganism, and deism. I kind of think of myself as pantheist, and consider that kind of a subset of deism, but would be interested in your thoughts. I get this isn't maybe the forum for this discussion, but I'm shy about initiating email discussions. EIP
 
2013-11-04 07:49:21 PM

MJMaloney187: The old man is right. Evolution is used as a means to marginalize Christianity. Evolution is held up not for academic purposes, but to mock Christians.


Note that in this case it is Mr. Cruz who is saying that you cannot be a Christian and believe in evolution.  Christians are creating this problem themselves; if they continue to insist that one cannot be a Christian without being a biblical literalist, then anyone who deals with biology, geology, astronomy, physics, history, archaeology, linguistics, anthropology, or pretty much anyone who deals with physical reality and/or nations outside the USA is going to be forced to choose between "being a Christian" and reality.  Some are going to choose reality and no longer be "real Christians" according to the people who now run American Christianity.

This did not use to be the case.  Is anyone here old enough to remember back to the Cold War, when science was the only thing that could save us from the Soviets?  The mainstream Christian denominations didn't have a problem with science back then.  Those denominations still don't, but it would appear that they are no longer the "mainstream" of American Christianity.
 
2013-11-04 07:50:56 PM

Mike_1962: Mike_1962: Weaver95: Mike_1962:

Oh, don't misunderstand me. I have no problem with the Bible as it stands, or the Qu'ran, or Hindu or other Asian philisophical/historical/religious texts. They all have their own value, and in many cases the value is of great worth. It's just that EVERYTHING is dynamic. If your beliefs can't encompass that, in today's world your in a metaphysical trap. In your own case, I believe you're Buddhist. That's a good example of great worth. A flexible dynamic philosophy/belief that gets applied to the world around you, you don't force the world to conform to it.

Pagan, actually.  But your point is well taken.  flexibility is important, especially when it comes to faith.  if we aren't flexible enough to accept that some people are always gonna be different and we need to leave well enough alone...then things get stabby and before you know it someone is getting burned at the stake in a town square somewhere.

North Europe version? I would catagorize myself as agnostic. I'd expand on that, but carpal tunnel is sort of sticking it's hooks in just now. In a nutshell, we all have our own gods...grouping together about them results a a wide range of behaviour. Mass grouping tends to be unfortunate in the modern world.

Oh, and for the Christians out there, CS Lewis had Aslan saying that the good you did in someone else's name is still good, the evil in my name has nothing to do with who I really am or what I ask. (Paraphrased)


Quite the politician, that Aslan.
 
2013-11-04 07:51:12 PM
Even the Catholic Church believes in evolution and they believe that bread can turn into the flesh of Jesus, which they eat.
 
2013-11-04 07:55:20 PM
Sp...he's bevets?
 
2013-11-04 07:56:02 PM
SO*

So* he's bevets?

/sonofa...
 
2013-11-04 07:57:33 PM

Weaver95: more of a cafeteria pagan - some wiccan, some egyptian (I love the concept of Ma'at), some celtic.  with a bit of techno pagan thrown in for good measure.


I have to ask, do you consider any of those gods to be  real?  Not in a Joseph Campbell power-of-myth sense, but capable of doing real stuff like creating the universe?  Because it seems to me that if a particular god created the universe, that would preclude another god from having done so.  And that we puny mortals don't get to choose who made the universe, it already happened before we were born.

Unless you are talking about a Terry Prachett situation where humans create gods rather than the other way around--but the whole point of the Discworld treatment of religion was to mock the entire concept, and to argue that people are better off without it.
 
2013-11-04 08:00:55 PM

Trading Oak Trees: SO*

So* he's bevets?

/sonofa...



Do I dare?
 
2013-11-04 08:02:46 PM
treeofmamre.files.wordpress.com

Here we have Communists showing their love of intellectuals who have that fancy book learnin'.
 
2013-11-04 08:11:35 PM

Sgt Otter: [treeofmamre.files.wordpress.com image 500x503]

Here we have Communists showing their love of intellectuals who have that fancy book learnin'.


But anti-revolutionary speech will only lead to the eventual subjugation of the proletariat. Hate speech, speech that incite violence, libel, or false advertising are all speech that cause more harm than good. There are ideas and speech that aren't worth spreading or defending for the greater good.

/for the greater good
 
2013-11-04 08:12:47 PM

Weaver95: I really don't have a problem with the bible (well...the Old Testament could use some updating).  I just don't see it as the only valid source of morality and religious authority in existence. the New Testament has some great stuff in there that we should really try out in our lives: be excellent to one another, love without exception or restraint.  Beat the snot out of greedy bankers every chance you get.  GREAT ideas that everyone should try out at least once.

But that said, in the end it's not the christian gods that speak to me.  If i'm understanding the evangelical mindset correctly, that makes me evil by default.  which i'm oddly enough ok with it....I just find it puzzling that i'm allegedly going to burn in a fiery pit for all eternity just because I walk a different path.  And i'm not alone either - LOTS of people walk different paths - other pagans, wiccans, atheists, deists, agnostics, every gotdamn eastern religious movement you can think of, muslims and all their various sects....the more you look, the more differences you find, the more ways of looking at the world you'll see.  But all of us are damned to hell for eternity because we don't follow this ONE god and his book.  I'm just not seeing it.


In my mind with these people:
"People who don't worship Jesus / the Bible / our current form of Christianity will all go to Hell when they die, no exceptions."
"At what point?"
"What....?"
"At what point are/were people required to worship Jesus?"
"As soon as he was born."
"But he wouldn't become a religious figure for another two decades after his birth.  Are you saying anyone who died in that time period, any where in the world, had to go to Hell?"
"Yes.  Shut up."
 
2013-11-04 08:17:52 PM

Satanic_Hamster: Weaver95: I really don't have a problem with the bible (well...the Old Testament could use some updating).  I just don't see it as the only valid source of morality and religious authority in existence. the New Testament has some great stuff in there that we should really try out in our lives: be excellent to one another, love without exception or restraint.  Beat the snot out of greedy bankers every chance you get.  GREAT ideas that everyone should try out at least once.

But that said, in the end it's not the christian gods that speak to me.  If i'm understanding the evangelical mindset correctly, that makes me evil by default.  which i'm oddly enough ok with it....I just find it puzzling that i'm allegedly going to burn in a fiery pit for all eternity just because I walk a different path.  And i'm not alone either - LOTS of people walk different paths - other pagans, wiccans, atheists, deists, agnostics, every gotdamn eastern religious movement you can think of, muslims and all their various sects....the more you look, the more differences you find, the more ways of looking at the world you'll see.  But all of us are damned to hell for eternity because we don't follow this ONE god and his book.  I'm just not seeing it.

In my mind with these people:
"People who don't worship Jesus / the Bible / our current form of Christianity will all go to Hell when they die, no exceptions."
"At what point?"
"What....?"
"At what point are/were people required to worship Jesus?"
"As soon as he was born."
"But he wouldn't become a religious figure for another two decades after his birth.  Are you saying anyone who died in that time period, any where in the world, had to go to Hell?"
"Yes.  Shut up."


I just love the Harrowing of Hell. Stupid Abraham and the early prophets for not being washed in the blood of the lamb.
 
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2013-11-04 08:25:07 PM

Sgt Otter: Here we have Communists showing their love of intellectuals who have that fancy book learnin'.


I've said for years that American conservatives and Chinese Communists have an amazing number of common beliefs.
 
2013-11-04 08:37:06 PM
i158.photobucket.com

In the past this information has been suppressed, but now it can be told. Every man, woman, and mutant on this planet shall know the truth about de-evolution.
 
2013-11-04 08:37:38 PM
If evolution is a Communist lie, then this guy is partially responsible, given he fought for Castro and all.
 
2013-11-04 08:43:39 PM
imgc.allpostersimages.com
 
2013-11-04 08:43:46 PM

a_bilge_monkey: I just love the Harrowing of Hell. Stupid Abraham and the early prophets for not being washed in the blood of the lamb.


My favorite are these Protestant churches that have only existed for a few years (or even just a few decades) that insist that only THEIR method of worshiping Christ will allow people to enter Heaven.
"So you're saying for close to 1950 years every person born was garunteed to g to hell when they die because you didn't form your church until the 70's?"
 
2013-11-04 08:53:56 PM
Do people really not understand the origins of Lysenkoism? It's ultimately derived from Lamarckism, or the "heritability of acquired characteristics". In other words, that changes in the organism which it acquired during its own lifetime could be passed on to its offspring. Sure, Lysenko had to dress it up in b/s pseudoscience, because Lamarckism is pretty easy to disprove; but that's all it really is.

So it's twice as funny that Rafael Cruz is claiming "evolution is a Commie lie", because Lysenkoism was the Communist mythos created specifically to DISPROVE evolution--that nature was wrong. Even the Commies believed in evolution, Pastor, enough to create their own "creationism" against it.
 
2013-11-04 09:28:48 PM

clancifer: On behalf of Texas, I send my sincere regrets and apologies for sending Ted Cruz to the Capitol.


It's ok . Still don't know who he is anyway .
 
2013-11-04 09:30:20 PM
i43.tinypic.com
 
2013-11-04 09:30:22 PM

Satanic_Hamster: a_bilge_monkey: I just love the Harrowing of Hell. Stupid Abraham and the early prophets for not being washed in the blood of the lamb.

My favorite are these Protestant churches that have only existed for a few years (or even just a few decades) that insist that only THEIR method of worshiping Christ will allow people to enter Heaven.
"So you're saying for close to 1950 years every person born was garunteed to g to hell when they die because you didn't form your church until the 70's?"


They claim to be the continuation of the one and only real true early church from New Testament times, that existed in secret in the shadow of the Whore of Babylon for so many centuries, and are totally more real and true than all those other one and only real true churches that continue the one and only real true early church from New Testament times.
 
2013-11-04 09:31:30 PM

super_grass: Sgt Otter: [treeofmamre.files.wordpress.com image 500x503]

Here we have Communists showing their love of intellectuals who have that fancy book learnin'.

But anti-revolutionary speech will only lead to the eventual subjugation of the proletariat. Hate speech, speech that incite violence, libel, or false advertising are all speech that cause more harm than good. There are ideas and speech that aren't worth spreading or defending for the greater good.

/for the greater good


Get a room, girls.
 
2013-11-04 09:32:52 PM
They're just telling you what they're frightened of

If part of the Bible (Genesis) isn't literally true, then how can we trust that the rest is true?

And the Bible is only place where Jesus promises us eternal life

We gotta resist anyone who tells us Genesis isn't literally true
 
2013-11-04 09:32:57 PM

a_bilge_monkey: Satanic_Hamster: Weaver95: I really don't have a problem with the bible (well...the Old Testament could use some updating).  I just don't see it as the only valid source of morality and religious authority in existence. the New Testament has some great stuff in there that we should really try out in our lives: be excellent to one another, love without exception or restraint.  Beat the snot out of greedy bankers every chance you get.  GREAT ideas that everyone should try out at least once.

But that said, in the end it's not the christian gods that speak to me.  If i'm understanding the evangelical mindset correctly, that makes me evil by default.  which i'm oddly enough ok with it....I just find it puzzling that i'm allegedly going to burn in a fiery pit for all eternity just because I walk a different path.  And i'm not alone either - LOTS of people walk different paths - other pagans, wiccans, atheists, deists, agnostics, every gotdamn eastern religious movement you can think of, muslims and all their various sects....the more you look, the more differences you find, the more ways of looking at the world you'll see.  But all of us are damned to hell for eternity because we don't follow this ONE god and his book.  I'm just not seeing it.

In my mind with these people:
"People who don't worship Jesus / the Bible / our current form of Christianity will all go to Hell when they die, no exceptions."
"At what point?"
"What....?"
"At what point are/were people required to worship Jesus?"
"As soon as he was born."
"But he wouldn't become a religious figure for another two decades after his birth.  Are you saying anyone who died in that time period, any where in the world, had to go to Hell?"
"Yes.  Shut up."

I just love the Harrowing of Hell. Stupid Abraham and the early prophets for not being washed in the blood of the lamb.


Maybe I'm forgetting my Gospels, but didn't Christ go into Hell to liberate the damned? He was basically arm-wrestling Satan for the three days between death and Resurrection?
 
2013-11-04 09:37:49 PM
i39.tinypic.com
 
2013-11-04 09:43:52 PM
i.imgur.com
Your move, creationists.
 
2013-11-04 09:45:00 PM

andrewagill: [i158.photobucket.com image 378x525]

In the past this information has been suppressed, but now it can be told. Every man, woman, and mutant on this planet shall know the truth about de-evolution.


mhpbooks.com

/approves
 
2013-11-04 09:50:38 PM
Please keep talking, pastor - don't let anybody shut you up.
 
2013-11-04 09:54:34 PM
"So Noah got all of the billions of species of animal, including those we haven't even discovered yet onto a boat?"

"Of course not. That would be silly. He only got every kind of animal. One kind of dog, one kind of lizard, etc".

"So how did they turn into the aforementioned billions of species that we have now?"

"....atheist!"
 
2013-11-04 09:57:24 PM

theknuckler_33: Distant starlight is due to either a change in the speed of light over time or the fact that God created distant starlight 'in transit' when the stars were created. Duh!


As an astrophysicist, these statements make me want to see if I can headbutt myself through the concrete walls in my lab.
 
2013-11-04 10:03:19 PM

andrewagill: In the past this information has been suppressed, but now it can be told. Every man, woman, and mutant on this planet shall know the truth about de-evolution.


White slavery is worse (or even different) than slavery?

Wow.

Just...wow.
 
2013-11-04 10:06:43 PM
When I look at Ted Cruz, and hear him talk, I, too, question the validity of evolution.
 
2013-11-04 10:10:35 PM

super_grass: You know what other politician had mentors with kooky ideas?


All of them?
 
2013-11-04 10:11:06 PM
This is important because it's a Republican.

Unlike Obama associating with racists, radicals, and terrorists, which didn't matter.
 
2013-11-04 10:18:01 PM

andrewagill: [i158.photobucket.com image 378x525]

In the past this information has been suppressed, but now it can be told. Every man, woman, and mutant on this planet shall know the truth about de-evolution.


Today I Learned: Cockfighting is worse than slavery, and taxes are very nearly the worst thing ever!
 
2013-11-04 10:19:12 PM

randomjsa: This is important because it's a Republican.

Unlike Obama associating with racists, radicals, and terrorists, which didn't matter.


You're self parodying. I can't even mock you properly because of the reflective completeness of your genius.

/I try to troll every now and again for shiats and giggles, but I'm no good at it.
 
2013-11-04 10:20:53 PM

randomjsa: This is important because it's a Republican.

Unlike Obama associating with racists, radicals, and terrorists, which didn't matter.


But he stopped associating with them after it was found out.
 
2013-11-04 10:22:27 PM

flondrix: Weaver95: more of a cafeteria pagan - some wiccan, some egyptian (I love the concept of Ma'at), some celtic.  with a bit of techno pagan thrown in for good measure.

I have to ask, do you consider any of those gods to be  real?  Not in a Joseph Campbell power-of-myth sense, but capable of doing real stuff like creating the universe?  Because it seems to me that if a particular god created the universe, that would preclude another god from having done so.  And that we puny mortals don't get to choose who made the universe, it already happened before we were born.


all I know is that i've seen things that have no explanation or reason...but I saw them, and they were real enough for me to make changes in my life.  would that experience mean something to other people?  probably not.  But I think the gods (or whatever you want to call them) affect our world in various ways.  But even the gods can't override free will.  so they work in more subtle ways...sometimes for the better, sometimes not.
 
2013-11-04 10:29:40 PM

clancifer: On behalf of Texas, I send my sincere regrets and apologies for sending Ted Cruz to the Capitol.


Shut up and sing!
 
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