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2013-11-04 03:46:32 PM
they surely don't mind those find young men who go off to fight the gop's wars.
 
2013-11-04 04:12:04 PM
Rep. Mullen is already a specialist in dumb sh*t, since he's a plumber.
 
2013-11-04 05:33:43 PM
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Injured veterans just need faith healers.
 
2013-11-04 06:10:32 PM
...and folks wonder why support for the GOP continues to fall amongst veterans? My own father, who lied about his age to go to Vietnam, and then went on to full retirement, has nothing but contempt at this point for the GOP, and his influence was perhaps in part of my initial support of the Republican party, as youthful rebellion, but his ire is leveled against the treatment of veterans, and for the treatment of our troops, and the treatment of the families of those troops.

At some point, the party is really going to have to come to terms with this "support our troops" mentality, and actually deliver on those promises. When they get home, and when they get home in more than a box to be delivered with a flag...
 
2013-11-04 06:24:39 PM
Its those damn deadbeat toddlers that are to blame. If those 3 year olds would just pull themselves up by their Sesame Street shoelaces and get jobs then they wouldnt need a handout. Frickin freeloaders - most of them just sit around all day hitting the bottle.
 
2013-11-04 06:25:47 PM
the GOP view on welfare recipients is that ALL people on any form of welfare are leeches and moochers who take from their betters and live a life of unwarranted luxury on the public dime.  there can be no exceptions.  no grey areas.  no compromise.  all welfare people are scum.

hey, that's not my view.  that's the Republican view.  Rush Limbaugh, Hannity, O'Reilly.  they all repeat that mantra every day on every channel.  something to think about next time you discuss welfare with a member of the tea party.
 
2013-11-04 06:41:26 PM

Weaver95: the GOP view on welfare recipients is that ALL people on any form of welfare are leeches and moochers who take from their betters and live a life of unwarranted luxury on the public dime.  there can be no exceptions.  no grey areas.  no compromise.  all welfare people are scum.

hey, that's not my view.  that's the Republican view.  Rush Limbaugh, Hannity, O'Reilly.  they all repeat that mantra every day on every channel.  something to think about next time you discuss welfare with a member of the tea party.


But it's important to remember that farm subsidies, and industry subsidies, and no-bid contracts, and tax breaks, those are fine. Those aren't welfare, those are job creating stimulus.

The problem is: if we cut welfare, Social Security and the rest, what is going to happen to the small business owner? Who is going to buy groceries? Who will pay for utilities? Who will pay rents for that matter? That portion of the show is always sort of glossed over.

Unemployment payouts are a drain. They also insure that rents continue to be paid, that groceries are paid for, that utilities are still paid, and that folks can transition from one job to another in the event of job loss. You could argue, that giving folks that money up front, that will allow them to save more, but the reality is, if folks have money in their pockets, they'll spend it. Putting a bit away into a fund to help protect them in the event of job loss, that is just prudent planning, and giving folks a safety net, that they will hopefully never need, and even if YOU don't need it, your neighbor might. And if he does, then he can keep up payments on his house, on his rent, and NOT bring YOUR property values down, or move out, and then bring in some stranger into your neighborhood. It will also help keep your business afloat if you are serving to local customers.

That's the point of this safety net: not just to provide for folks who see bad times, but continue the chain of commerce going, even when bad sh*t happens, and folks simply don't seem to understand how that chain works. And that is sad, when you consider that the party that is SUPPOSED to see the big picture, the long term picture, shows such willful ignorance on exactly how markets work, and seem ideologically as opposed to rationality based in their assessment of domestic as well as foreign and economic policy...
 
2013-11-04 06:46:01 PM
Remember, the typical SNAP beneficiary is a surfer dude from SoCal.

~This is what Foxtards actually believe
 
2013-11-04 06:46:09 PM

hubiestubert: ..and folks wonder why support for the GOP continues to fall amongst veterans?


Can't say I've noticed that ... of course most veterans I know now are retired officers.

As a new 2nd Lt in the Air Force, I was shocked to see food stamps being used by young airman. It just didn't occur to me that the pay was so low for them before that moment. That has shaped my thinking ever since.

There is a huge disparity between the lowest enlisted troops and the senior officers. A Lt Col living in DC gets a $35000 tax-free housing allowance on top of nice pay, etc. I think the spread has really gotten out of hand. Then again, you have general officers capped at about $200K who retire and earn millions as CEOs.

I suspect the military is getting a real bargain out of its most junior and most senior folks and over paying dearly for the middle.
 
2013-11-04 06:53:26 PM

hubiestubert: That's the point of this safety net: not just to provide for folks who see bad times, but continue the chain of commerce going, even when bad sh*t happens, and folks simply don't seem to understand how that chain works. And that is sad, when you consider that the party that is SUPPOSED to see the big picture, the long term picture, shows such willful ignorance on exactly how markets work, and seem ideologically as opposed to rationality based in their assessment of domestic as well as foreign and economic policy...


I'm starting to think the GOP knows what it's doing.  they WANT economic chaos.  i'm not sure why but...they seem to believe that massive disruptions in society and the economy will somehow benefit them and advance their religious goals while somehow they themselves will be isolated from the effects and consequences of their own actions.

so either i'm missing something here OR the Republicans are completely f*cking insane.  i'm hoping i'm just missing something.
 
2013-11-04 06:55:27 PM
Weaver95:

so either i'm missing something here OR the Republicans are completely f*cking insane.  i'm hoping i'm just missing something.

You are not missing anything, those farking assholes are just that.
 
2013-11-04 06:57:01 PM
Look, why can't people on welfare just do the decent, honorable thing and die?  It's just common sense.

/anyone else get a stabbing pain in the brainbox when typing something like that?
 
2013-11-04 06:57:49 PM
To be fair, when I was in the Navy, I was a lazy bum who didn't want to work.
 
2013-11-04 06:59:07 PM

hubiestubert: ...and folks wonder why support for the GOP continues to fall amongst veterans? My own father, who lied about his age to go to Vietnam, and then went on to full retirement, has nothing but contempt at this point for the GOP, and his influence was perhaps in part of my initial support of the Republican party, as youthful rebellion, but his ire is leveled against the treatment of veterans, and for the treatment of our troops, and the treatment of the families of those troops.

At some point, the party is really going to have to come to terms with this "support our troops" mentality, and actually deliver on those promises. When they get home, and when they get home in more than a box to be delivered with a flag...


shiat, Obama administration has done more for veteran benefits and care then any other administration yet you still hear nothing from the right but how Democrats hate the military.  Meanwhile, you have the Republicans top attention whores trying to eliminate as much veteran care as they can, including all the newly expanded disability/prosthetic coverage, psychiatric care, and as much from the VA budget as they can.
 
2013-11-04 06:59:23 PM
Goddamn how much is Opposing Views paying Fark? This is the 5th green from them today.
 
2013-11-04 06:59:55 PM

hubiestubert: At some point, the party is really going to have to come to terms with this "support our troops" mentality, and actually deliver on those promises.


I've gotten the impression that the "support our troops" mentality has nothing to do with the actual troops or their families, but is more of a rallying cry for the "Budweiser patriots" that love the tough talk and easy jingoism.
 
2013-11-04 07:01:19 PM
They'll biatch and moan about the $18 the average taxpayer spends per year to feed the hungry, but damned if they'll gripe about the $363 a year we all shell out for corporate subsidies.

Priorities.
 
2013-11-04 07:02:11 PM
Weaver95:

I'm starting to think the GOP knows what it's doing.  they WANT economic chaos.  i'm not sure why but...they seem to believe that massive disruptions in society and the economy will somehow benefit them and advance their religious goals while somehow they themselves will be isolated from the effects and consequences of their own actions.

so either i'm missing something here OR the Republicans are completely f*cking insane.  i'm hoping i'm just missing something.


You're not missing anything.  I've considered the same possibility for some ten or more years now.  I've considered the probability for 5 or so years, and known the reality of it for a few months.
 
2013-11-04 07:02:36 PM
Veterans offered their lives to their country to defend our freedoms. How dare they want to eat!!!

/F you teatards.
 
2013-11-04 07:03:16 PM
Hey guys; you know that blaming the other guy for everything that goes wrong, ever, doesn't actually fix the problem?

Maybe, we didn't need to spend that $900 trillion(exaggerating) on a website that doesn't work and is unlikely to work for a while yet.

Maybe, we don't need 100 $150 million fighters?

Maybe we need a congress that actually cares what happens to us?

/ this isn't a GOP problem or a Dem problem; this is more of a systematic problem
 
2013-11-04 07:03:23 PM

born_yesterday: hubiestubert: At some point, the party is really going to have to come to terms with this "support our troops" mentality, and actually deliver on those promises.

I've gotten the impression that the "support our troops" mentality has nothing to do with the actual troops or their families, but is more of a rallying cry for the "Budweiser patriots" that love the tough talk and easy jingoism.


Actually, what "support our troops" *really* means, as far as the GOP is concerned, is "support our defense contractor donors by giving them big no-bid contracts".
 
2013-11-04 07:04:57 PM

Weaver95: hubiestubert: That's the point of this safety net: not just to provide for folks who see bad times, but continue the chain of commerce going, even when bad sh*t happens, and folks simply don't seem to understand how that chain works. And that is sad, when you consider that the party that is SUPPOSED to see the big picture, the long term picture, shows such willful ignorance on exactly how markets work, and seem ideologically as opposed to rationality based in their assessment of domestic as well as foreign and economic policy...

I'm starting to think the GOP knows what it's doing.  they WANT economic chaos.  i'm not sure why but...they seem to believe that massive disruptions in society and the economy will somehow benefit them and advance their religious goals while somehow they themselves will be isolated from the effects and consequences of their own actions.

so either i'm missing something here OR the Republicans are completely f*cking insane.  i'm hoping i'm just missing something.


You are missing something. See the Republicans believe in bootstrapping. And the quickest way to bootstrap oneself up is on the broken backs of others. So by cutting food stamps & welfare, while keeping the minimal wage low allows for more broken backs for people to bootstrap their selves up by.

Plus how do you expect them to raise themselves higher if they don't have more poor people to stand on?  I mean it's like you don't even care if rich people make more money, what is wrong with you?
 
2013-11-04 07:05:17 PM

born_yesterday: hubiestubert: At some point, the party is really going to have to come to terms with this "support our troops" mentality, and actually deliver on those promises.

I've gotten the impression that the "support our troops" mentality has nothing to do with the actual troops or their families, but is more of a rallying cry for the "Budweiser patriots" that love the tough talk and easy jingoism.


... not to mention the magnetic yellow ribbon for their truck.  It really is the 'least' they can do.
 
2013-11-04 07:06:47 PM
But GOP congressional farmers got their fed subsidies so its all good right?
 
2013-11-04 07:07:13 PM

hubiestubert: ...and folks wonder why support for the GOP continues to fall amongst veterans? My own father, who lied about his age to go to Vietnam, and then went on to full retirement, has nothing but contempt at this point for the GOP, and his influence was perhaps in part of my initial support of the Republican party, as youthful rebellion, but his ire is leveled against the treatment of veterans, and for the treatment of our troops, and the treatment of the families of those troops.

At some point, the party is really going to have to come to terms with this "support our troops" mentality, and actually deliver on those promises. When they get home, and when they get home in more than a box to be delivered with a flag...


The TGOP has driven away huge groups of people, women, immigrants, non-Christians, people with a conscious, but now they are actively working to get rid of the single-issue voter, who is their bread and butter.

Please do.  I cannot wait for the TGOP to go the way of the Whigs.
 
2013-11-04 07:09:01 PM

Weaver95: the GOP view on welfare recipients is that ALL people on any form of welfare are leeches and moochers who take from their betters and live a life of unwarranted luxury on the public dime.  there can be no exceptions.  no grey areas.  no compromise.  all welfare people are scum.

hey, that's not my view.  that's the Republican view.  Rush Limbaugh, Hannity, O'Reilly.  they all repeat that mantra every day on every channel.  something to think about next time you discuss welfare with a member of the tea party.


... of course they don't include corporate welfare in their hate.  They LOVE pumping money out to the MIC, Big Oil, Big Ag, etc., etc., etc.
 
2013-11-04 07:09:46 PM
I wonder if the GOP base will ever make the connection between "welfare leeches" and the large corporate subsidies and government-protected monopolies?
 
2013-11-04 07:10:22 PM
The Center on Budget and Policy Priorities is very far away from being " an independent, non-profit fiscal research group."  They are funded to the tune of $3.78 million from George Soros, his second highest funded grantee from 2005-2009.  The Center was founded in 1981 by leftist legal scholar John T. Kramer and socialist leaning Democratic Party funder and Price Club retail store founder, Sol Price.

Jared Bernstein is a CBPP Senior Fellow specializing in Federal Fiscal Policy. Bernstein formerly worked for the George Soros funded Economic Policy Institute,  and  in December 2008 joined the incoming Obama Administration as Chief Economist and Economic Policy Adviser to Vice President Biden.  He is reportedly a member of JournoList, a group of approximately 400 journalists and opinion shapers who worked together to influence public opinion in favor of Obama and the Democrats in the 2008 election.
 
2013-11-04 07:10:35 PM

Weidermeijer: hubiestubert: ...and folks wonder why support for the GOP continues to fall amongst veterans? My own father, who lied about his age to go to Vietnam, and then went on to full retirement, has nothing but contempt at this point for the GOP, and his influence was perhaps in part of my initial support of the Republican party, as youthful rebellion, but his ire is leveled against the treatment of veterans, and for the treatment of our troops, and the treatment of the families of those troops.

At some point, the party is really going to have to come to terms with this "support our troops" mentality, and actually deliver on those promises. When they get home, and when they get home in more than a box to be delivered with a flag...

The TGOP has driven away huge groups of people, women, immigrants, non-Christians, people with a conscious, but now they are actively working to get rid of the single-issue voter, who is their bread and butter.

Please do.  I cannot wait for the TGOP to go the way of the Whigs.


Who you do think made up the original GOP?

Old Whigs and disaffected Dems.
 
2013-11-04 07:11:09 PM
I agree.  They should cut more money out of the non-veteran poor and give it to the veterans.
 
2013-11-04 07:13:08 PM
The linked article about Oklahoma Republican Rep. Markwayne Miller claiming 100% of food stamp usage is fraudulent is pretty funny.  Here's his evidence:

"This guy was built like a brick house. I mean he had muscles all over him. He was in a little tank top and pair of shorts and really nice Nike shoes"

Therefore, he wasn't eating Rice and Bean Surprize every night, and therefore was clearly committing fraud. It seems like he was also committing Oklahoma Republican Rep. Markwayne Miller to be overcome with the vapors of forbidden lust.  I'm sure we'll be reading about his wide bathroom stall stance soon; it's only his first term in the closet.
 
2013-11-04 07:13:44 PM
They're just idealistic. I'm sure we could trim some social programs a bit, but we should trim the defense budget by a comparable percentage. Our crumbling infrastructure here at home could easily kill more of us than the terrorism we spend untold billions preventing.
 
2013-11-04 07:13:48 PM
GOP is going through a civil war of sorts.

On one side is the War monger Neocons who act like Democrats, and the other side is the Paleo-Conservatives who are fighting for historical Republican ideals of fiscal responsibility.
 
2013-11-04 07:14:06 PM
If our service personnel were paid a decent wage to begin with they wouldn't need food stamps.
 
2013-11-04 07:14:45 PM

Blues_X: Rep. Mullen is already a specialist in dumb sh*t, since he's a plumber.



I clicked the link expecting one of the states where a high number of service members receive benefits would be here in Oklahoma.  Didn't see it but knew one of my state's reps would be mentioned and sure enough there the asshat is.  I read the linked article about him and his statements about food stamp usage and wondered what he was doing grocery shopping in Crystal City, VA.  I mean he works in D.C. sure but does he do his own shopping and not have an aide or intern for that?  A few years back you could be making barely enough money to support your family but if your car was too new of a model, the state DHS here would tell you to either sell it (no food for you use the money from the sale to buy food) or let it get repossessed.
 
2013-11-04 07:14:47 PM
When the GOP said support those who support our troops, they really ment just the military industrial complex.
 
2013-11-04 07:15:13 PM

ginkor: Soros


Drink!
 
2013-11-04 07:18:13 PM

snuffy: they surely don't mind those find young men who go off to fight the gop's wars.


yeah, because barry doesn't have them do any fighting...

..
 
2013-11-04 07:19:50 PM

blogblogblog: If our service personnel were paid a decent wage to begin with they wouldn't need food stamps.


Or, if we had less of them
 
2013-11-04 07:19:58 PM
All those shipping pallets of US currency that disappeared into thin air in Iraq and Afghanistan could have fed a whole bunch of American soldiers and their families.
 
2013-11-04 07:20:45 PM
I don't follow Republican "logic". I just follow the polls, and watch what the GOP is doing to itself.
And smile.
 
2013-11-04 07:21:37 PM

Weaver95: the GOP view on welfare recipients is that ALL people on any form of welfare are leeches and moochers who take from their betters and live a life of unwarranted luxury on the public dime.  there can be no exceptions.  no grey areas.  no compromise.  all welfare people are scum.

hey, that's not my view.  that's the Republican view.  Rush Limbaugh, Hannity, O'Reilly.  they all repeat that mantra every day on every channel.  something to think about next time you discuss welfare with a member of the tea party.


Well, like a good mass of tissue, they are, indeed, leeching off of you.   Some leeches you tolerate, some you don't.
 
2013-11-04 07:21:51 PM
To be fair, not all Republicans think that.

I, for example, think that anyone who joined up during or after the run up to the invasion of Iraq is either a complete dupe or a murderous racist.

Now, that doesn't preclude them from also being a lazy bum, but I'm surrounded by lazy bums every day in my civilian life so the military certainly doesn't have a monopoly on that.
 
2013-11-04 07:22:03 PM

Cpl.D: They'll biatch and moan about the $18 the average taxpayer spends per year to feed the hungry, but damned if they'll gripe about the $363 a year we all shell out for corporate subsidies.

Priorities.


Where did you get those numbers? If you can get me the sources, I want to make a visual for it.
 
2013-11-04 07:22:58 PM

TrainingWheelsNeeded: blogblogblog: If our service personnel were paid a decent wage to begin with they wouldn't need food stamps.

Or, if we had less fewer of them


You can still count them, so you should use 'fewer' here.
 
2013-11-04 07:24:08 PM
Here's what would be far more effective in reducing dependence on government handouts: A raising of the minimum wage, triggering a gradual return of the responsibility of workers' welfare and safety back to private businesses rather than the government.  We talk a lot about how "good" "privatization" is, but the only reason it's "good" is because the responsibilities are socialized. As in, we pay for every Walmart worker who still doesn't have enough money to feed himself or his family.  Don't want to pay for them? Tell Congress to enact a minimum wage increase, or change the full-time work rules, or other acts that re-shift the responsibilities of business back to business rather than government.
 
2013-11-04 07:25:55 PM

Cpl.D: They'll biatch and moan about the $18 the average taxpayer spends per year to feed the hungry, but damned if they'll gripe about the $363 a year we all shell out for corporate subsidies.

Priorities.


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2013-11-04 07:26:22 PM

Nutsac_Jim: snuffy: they surely don't mind those find young men who go off to fight the gop's wars.

yeah, because barry doesn't have them do any fighting...

..


Yeah, we can't blame the shiatshow that is American foreign policy on the GOP in toto. The policy has been shiat for the last 60 years - forged in coldwar paranoia, and shaped by covert commercial interests, and utterly contrary to the interests of regular Americans. Democrats and Republicans alike gave birth to this abortion.
Anybody who expected a milquetoast Reagan Democrat like Barry to do anything about it was smoking something better than I can afford right now.
 
2013-11-04 07:28:15 PM

Nutsac_Jim: Weaver95: the GOP view on welfare recipients is that ALL people on any form of welfare are leeches and moochers who take from their betters and live a life of unwarranted luxury on the public dime.  there can be no exceptions.  no grey areas.  no compromise.  all welfare people are scum.

hey, that's not my view.  that's the Republican view.  Rush Limbaugh, Hannity, O'Reilly.  they all repeat that mantra every day on every channel.  something to think about next time you discuss welfare with a member of the tea party.

Well, like a good mass of tissue, they are, indeed, leeching off of you.   Some leeches you tolerate, some you don't.


Says a guy who could survive fifteen seconds without government and civilization to protect him from his Darwinian betters.
 
2013-11-04 07:29:18 PM

born_yesterday: hubiestubert: At some point, the party is really going to have to come to terms with this "support our troops" mentality, and actually deliver on those promises.

I've gotten the impression that the "support our troops" mentality has nothing to do with the actual troops or their families, but is more of a rallying cry for the "Budweiser patriots" that love the tough talk and easy jingoism.


When I was living near Ft. Bragg, I heard from several people who had been in the area all their lives that the "We Support Our Troops" and "We Give Military Discount" stuff was very shallow and self serving. Any real caring about the well being of the soldiers was non-existent. They just wanted to look good and get their money before they got deployed.
 
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