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2013-11-04 04:13:28 PM  

Electromax: GanjSmokr: Sorry if yours do, but mine don't.

Nah, was mostly just a sarcastic response to the idea that because your dogs are preferable to children, that makes every animal preferable to every child. Plenty of children aren't the problem child you are picturing when you think "a child".

I'm not planning on having any either, but mostly because I'm selfish.


Yea, I'm selfish as well.  And I'll concede that some children aren't as bad as most of the others.  I love my nieces and would do about anything for them.  I'd even save them first from a burning building before my dogs.  Then I'd probably die going back in to try to save my dogs.
 
2013-11-04 04:13:30 PM  

skozlaw: George Babbitt: He wasn't ill-prepared

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that anybody who wanders into wilderness "too dangerous for even the hardiest woodsman" for three months with no mechanism for communicating distress or disablement is ill prepared.

If you're going to wander into known-dangerous wilderness against the warnings of others by yourself with no communication to the outside world you should be left entirely to your devices. They should have left him out there. It was a waste of fuel picking him up.


Some people don't rely on other people to clean up the messes they get themselves into, and some people don't care what kinds of messes people get themselves into and will help them out of it regardless.
 
2013-11-04 04:14:21 PM  
Thousands of people walk 10 or 15 or 20 or 25 miles a day, every day, for six months and they put their experience on the internet for the world to read. Ordinary people do this all the time.
It's not a big deal.

Maybe to certain couch-potato Cheeto-feeding farkers it's inconceivable, but real people do it all the time and so should have this man.

My bet is he's bucking for some publicity in a time when attention whoring is a cultural norm.
 
2013-11-04 04:19:38 PM  

durbnpoisn: karmaceutical: durbnpoisn: There is a big chunk of this story missing.
He was out there for 3 months, and during that time, he had to eat his dog.  What the hell was he eating the rest of the time?  What happened to ALL of his equipment that it was ruined?  He had a canoe.  So, presumably, he was near water.  Water contains fish.  In Canada, LOTS of fish.  How far downriver was the nearest town?  Why could he not simply repair his canoe and go for a float?  Wasn't that his idea anyway?  What was his original plan?  Canoe for a while, and walk home?

So many things here are woefully wrong and stupid.  The fact that he ate his dog is only one of the things wrong.
It almost sounds like his original plan was to eat the dog and complain about it later.  People would never accept him doing that at home.

Or at least fashioned the remains of his canoe into some kind of paragliding device.  He could have harnessed a pair of freshwater dolphins and glided back to civilization.  What a moron.

Yeah, see?  Now that's some thinkin' right there.


I am a very experienced woodsman/gladesman and I have a GED in Bushcraft
 
2013-11-04 04:20:07 PM  
Found it!
i47.photobucket.com

ChipNASA: Shoulda shot the motherf*cker.


Canada is noguns :(  A simple rifle or compound bow would have probably saved this moron a ton of trouble.  For killing the dog humanely if nothing else.
 
2013-11-04 04:20:57 PM  

metatronarchetype: My longest hike was ~80 miles over ten days at Philmont scout ranch in 1984.  In mountainous terrain, my well provisioned group of 14-15 year olds had to eat large meals three times a day to keep our energy levels up.  But according to you, an older man with no access to calorie-rich food should be able to turn out 23 mile days in similar terrain with no problem at all!


Ah. You're one of those.

Hikers usually complete their relational bonding to the outdoors in one of two ways, 1) The Boy Scouts (NTTAWWT), or 2) the military.

Both approaches leave something to be desired. The usual scout troop sounds like a Union Army platoon from the Civil War, clink-clank through the forest. The military types tend to be unimaginative and adversarial in their approach. Neither environment is real conducive to a deeper understanding of what it takes -- and this is a mostly mental understanding -- to succeed in a given situation. I can't count the number of times I've seen these philmont types break apart when deprived of their herd of fellow hikers. One's mind can be a lonely place to spend too much quiet time for these guys.

Whelp, anywho, you don't have the qualifications as an outdoorsman to judge this situation, even if you think you do. Dunning-Kruger and all that, you know.
Cheers, troll!
 
2013-11-04 04:24:45 PM  

George Babbitt: Some people don't rely on other people to clean up the messes they get themselves into


You should submit an article about one of them to counter this article about the douchebag who wandered into the wilderness by himself despite the warnings, killed the dog that saved him initially and then had to be airlifted out once the search party hiked to him and carried him back.

I want to make it clear that I'm not saying that people shouldn't do things like this, but rather THIS GUY IN PARTICULAR obviously shouldn't be based on all the information provided thus far. You don't walk to the tip of nowhere in border country with no way for anybody outside of it to know if you're okay or not. That's just damn irresponsible and this event shows exactly why.

If the dumbass lives he should have to repay the entire amount it cost to rescue him and be barred from ever owning an animal again.
 
2013-11-04 04:34:22 PM  

skozlaw: George Babbitt: Some people don't rely on other people to clean up the messes they get themselves into

You should submit an article about one of them to counter this article about the douchebag who wandered into the wilderness by himself despite the warnings, killed the dog that saved him initially and then had to be airlifted out once the search party hiked to him and carried him back.

I want to make it clear that I'm not saying that people shouldn't do things like this, but rather THIS GUY IN PARTICULAR obviously shouldn't be based on all the information provided thus far. You don't walk to the tip of nowhere in border country with no way for anybody outside of it to know if you're okay or not. That's just damn irresponsible and this event shows exactly why.

If the dumbass lives he should have to repay the entire amount it cost to rescue him and be barred from ever owning an animal again.


But this guy did not signal for help and did not either bring a communication device suitable to make contact, or it was lost somehow in the bear attack, either way, he didn't ask to be helped and was in no condition to refuse help as the articles all said he was incapable of speech when found.
 
2013-11-04 04:34:51 PM  
GanjSmokr:
I'd probably die going back in to try to save my dogs.

We can certainly agree on that score. At least animals never turn into teenagers or need a college tuition. Plus some of my hobbies which may or may not be related to your username don't jive well with children around. Or at least CPS wouldn't think so.
 
2013-11-04 04:36:07 PM  

metatronarchetype: But according to you, an older man with no access to calorie-rich food should be able to turn out 23 mile days in similar terrain with no problem at all!


* That statement establishes that your hiking background does not rise to the level necessary to intelligently surmise what would be possible for a relatively fit and experienced outdoorsman in northwest Quebec under these circumstances.

People who know, know.
This guy's story is exactly that, a story.
A self-induced drama.
 
2013-11-04 05:01:51 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Thousands of people walk 10 or 15 or 20 or 25 miles a day, every day, for six months and they put their experience on the internet for the world to read. Ordinary people do this all the time.
It's not a big deal.

Maybe to certain couch-potato Cheeto-feeding farkers it's inconceivable, but real people do it all the time and so should have this man.

My bet is he's bucking for some publicity in a time when attention whoring is a cultural norm.


Yes indeed, let's compare people hiking the Appalachian trail (and access to the support infrastructure that goes along with it), carrying state-of-the-art equipment and carefully prepared, high-calorie food, to someone not on the Appalachian trail, who lacks equipment and food because it was destroyed and eaten by a bear.  That is a totally fair and reasonable comparison.

It is not like comparing apples to oranges.

Not at all.
 
2013-11-04 05:07:12 PM  
I'd probably eat my dog 10 mins into the trip.

Any excuse will do.

Besides makes sense to eat the dog whilst it is fat and plump rather than wait for dog to get skinny.
 
2013-11-04 05:11:54 PM  

metatronarchetype: George Babbitt: FTA link to the Toronto Sun article on the same story:

Survival expert Andre Francois Bourbeau said Lavoie did what he could to live.
"He survived because he made ‹good decisions. Eating his dog was one of them," said Bourbeau, author of a survival guide.
Bourbeau has researched hundreds of similar stories, some of which include cannibalism.
"You have to be desperate, but there's no shame in (eating the dog)," said Bourbeau. "He had to use reason."

See dog lovers?  Even EXPERTS agree that you're foolish retards.

GanjSmokr: My animals are my children.

No, your animals are not your children.  They are your pets.  The fact that you think that your animal pets are your children indicates you probably shouldn't be allowed pets or children, because you are mentally ill.


I had sex with my cat and then she had kittens... they are my kids.
 
2013-11-04 05:21:17 PM  
I hope at a bare minimum that the local SPCA, or Quebecois-equivalent, charge this guy with animal cruelty and get an order that he not be allowed to own a pet ever again.
 
2013-11-04 05:23:21 PM  
You're right, killing a dog to save your life should be a crime.
 
2013-11-04 06:00:46 PM  

metatronarchetype: Yes indeed, let's compare people hiking the Appalachian trail (and access to the support infrastructure that goes along with it), carrying state-of-the-art equipment and carefully prepared, high-calorie food, to someone not on the Appalachian trail, who lacks equipment and food because it was destroyed and eaten by a bear.  That is a totally fair and reasonable comparison.

It is not like comparing apples to oranges.

Not at all.


So we agree that you don't know what you're talking about because you've never bushwacked in the krummholz of Quebec.
Fair enough, troll.
 
2013-11-04 06:05:53 PM  
Stupid dog. If he had been any good he would have killed the bear which they both could have eaten.

Just kidding. He should have fed the dog himself.
 
2013-11-04 06:10:21 PM  
Hope the asshole gets ass cancer.
 
2013-11-04 06:20:06 PM  
He should have had fishing gear and a gun. What a dumbass.
 
2013-11-04 06:20:30 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: metatronarchetype: Yes indeed, let's compare people hiking the Appalachian trail (and access to the support infrastructure that goes along with it), carrying state-of-the-art equipment and carefully prepared, high-calorie food, to someone not on the Appalachian trail, who lacks equipment and food because it was destroyed and eaten by a bear.  That is a totally fair and reasonable comparison.

It is not like comparing apples to oranges.

Not at all.

So we agree that you don't know what you're talking about because you've never bushwacked in the krummholz of Quebec.
Fair enough, troll.


Hey man name-calling is against the rules.

Post a link to your blog about your arctic hiking adventures.
 
2013-11-04 06:24:33 PM  

metatronarchetype: Post a link to your blog about your arctic hiking adventures.


Post a link to your child-porn stash, Boy Scout.
 
2013-11-04 06:25:44 PM  
If there was any justice in the world a pack of wolves would have showed up after he finished his meal.
 
2013-11-04 06:37:02 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: metatronarchetype: Post a link to your blog about your arctic hiking adventures.

Post a link to your child-porn stash, Boy Scout.


Your well reasoned responses have shown me the light.  If this guy was a real man, he would have taken a bear of his own instead of a dog, and if the bear had died, he would have made wings for himself out of eagle feathers and flown home by sundown.  He would have killed the eagles with a knife he flaked from the locally ocurring flint, a technique he would have perfected over decades in preparation for just this eventuality.  He would not eat the eagles he killed, because his muscles wouldn't actually require energy to perform work.  When he arrived at home, flying there on his eagle's wings without expending any energy, his wife would have lots of sex with him, having seen him demonstrate his real manliness.
 
2013-11-04 06:38:23 PM  
Y'know, it just seems like a betrayal. Still I can't judge the guy, because I wasn't there. I can only think that if I were in his shoes, eating my dog would be the extreme last resort.
 
2013-11-04 06:44:52 PM  
Dude hikes out into the middle of nowhere in extremely rough terrain without any kind of backup plan if things go wrong. But it's just a walk in the park, right Frank? The bear had other ideas. He was unprepared. He choose.....poorly. In short, he's a farking moron and he's lucky to be alive.

RIP Fido. You deserved a better master.
 
2013-11-04 07:01:48 PM  
The fact that the guy didn't have anything to fend off bears means the moron surely didn't plan ahead well enough.

The dog didn't deserve that kind of mis-planning.
 
2013-11-04 07:08:09 PM  

viscountalpha: The fact that the guy didn't have anything to fend off bears means the moron surely didn't plan ahead well enough.

The dog didn't deserve that kind of mis-planning.


You don't know what he had available.  No amount of preparation can guarantee that nothing will go wrong.
 
2013-11-04 07:09:05 PM  
Has there been a listing of the gear that this guy brought with him in one of the many articles that have written about this guy?

BTW, to the Edmund Hillary in this thread who has both cried about name calling and then turned around and name called all butthurt style, cuzyoulovedogsorsomething, bring oxygen on your next trek in the great wilderness of your backyard where you have gained such wild acclaim and expertise to feel justified in calling yourself hiker, just to make sure your brain isn't damaged any further.
 
2013-11-04 07:17:04 PM  

metatronarchetype: No amount of preparation can guarantee that nothing will go wrong.


How would you know?
 
2013-11-04 07:18:34 PM  

viscountalpha: The fact that the guy didn't have anything to fend off bears means the moron surely didn't plan ahead well enough.

The dog didn't deserve that kind of mis-planning.


He did have something to fend off the bear with. He also had an emergency food source. I'd say he planned rather well, cultural taboos notwithstanding.
 
2013-11-04 07:25:06 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: metatronarchetype: No amount of preparation can guarantee that nothing will go wrong.

How would you know?


If it is your argument that a given amount of planning can remove any possibility of a catastrophe, I would encourage you to support that argument.  I am still waiting for you to support your assertion that you are a gifted outdoorsman.  Your recent strategies of accusing me of being a connoisseur of child pornography were... unconvincing.
 
2013-11-04 07:35:47 PM  

metatronarchetype: HotIgneous Intruder: metatronarchetype: No amount of preparation can guarantee that nothing will go wrong.

How would you know?

If it is your argument that a given amount of planning can remove any possibility of a catastrophe, I would encourage you to support that argument.  I am still waiting for you to support your assertion that you are a gifted outdoorsman.  Your recent strategies of accusing me of being a connoisseur of child pornography were... unconvincing.


I'm not arguing.
You have badly misunderstood the context of my involvement in this thread and your importance within it that context.
You're a know-nothing, I get that.
Give yourself a break.
It hurts to be sad, but just let the feeling alone and it will pass.
 
2013-11-04 07:39:07 PM  
So you're unwilling or unable to support your assertions and claims of authority.

Your concession is noted.
 
2013-11-04 07:48:49 PM  
There's no argument.
You know nothing about this topic and you called me a liar for stating facts that are commonly known.
The orange dye in the Cheetos has affected your brain.
Now begone.

PLONK. Into the bait bucket with you.
 
2013-11-04 07:58:40 PM  
Okay - judging here (I know, I said I wouldn't do that) - where was the guy's bear bag? I realize that's not a guarantee that you're campsite won't be molested by a bear, but storing your food in sealed bags and hung from a tree (away from your camp) is pretty basic stuff. Bears smell food and the come to check it out...

I dunno - guy ate his dog and I'm just not feeling that.
 
2013-11-04 08:05:44 PM  
If the idiot had only managed to walk two miles a day -- because he was so obviously grooving on his extended outdoor experience -- he could have made it back to a road or town within a month.

/There is no sealing bag that can keep a bear from smelling your food. Their sense of smell is 4,000 times more sensitive than humans -- they smell in 3-D and living color.
 
2013-11-04 08:12:54 PM  
Fark you, dude.  You owed him your life.  That's not how you repay him.

FARK YOU FARK YOU FARK YOU
 
2013-11-04 08:13:46 PM  

metatronarchetype: I hope you get cancer.


Really?  That the best you got?

People who say things like that...it is a reflection of their intelligence and up bringing.

But hey!  You go ahead.  First Amendment rights and all that.
 
2013-11-04 08:20:57 PM  

jackandwater: metatronarchetype: I hope you get cancer.

Really?  That the best you got?

People who say things like that...it is a reflection of their intelligence and up bringing.

But hey!  You go ahead.  First Amendment rights and all that.


It must be hard to breath up there on that high horse.
 
2013-11-04 08:28:39 PM  

metatronarchetype: jackandwater: metatronarchetype: I hope you get cancer.

Really?  That the best you got?

People who say things like that...it is a reflection of their intelligence and up bringing.

But hey!  You go ahead.  First Amendment rights and all that.

It must be hard to breath up there on that high horse.


Why yes, yes it is.  Thanks for asking! :)
 
2013-11-04 08:30:53 PM  
I wouldn't eat my dog.

There's a whole forest full of shiat to eat, first.
 
2013-11-04 08:34:24 PM  
I've personally run 30 miles in a single go (cross country on flat surface in warm weather). I've never hiked any rough terrain. That being said, I'm pretty sure I could make it to some sort of civilization. And from the little I know, doesn't your body need water more than food?
 
2013-11-04 08:53:02 PM  
Ungrateful Prick.
 
2013-11-04 08:55:03 PM  
really, some asshole Quebecer's life is worth one tenth that of a noble dog.

Sorry you lived, asshat.
 
2013-11-04 09:01:39 PM  
so the guy planned on a two month trip..
that would be quite a bit of food..
and the bear ate it...
and was chased by the dog...
so the bear ate two months of food..
sounds like quite a big bear...
two months of food is quite heavy so why didn't he drive the trailer home...
or he had a sled with provisions and was towed by the dog???one dog???
something does not add up here.
 
2013-11-04 09:36:58 PM  
A good dog like that should never be eaten in one sitting.
 
2013-11-04 10:53:37 PM  
Sh*t like this is probably why we think we're alone in the universe. Intelligent beings observe the behavior of the most "advanced" species on this rock and decide that they want nothing to do with us...
 
2013-11-04 11:55:28 PM  
This is why I don't take my dog camping with me. I take my pet cow. Nobody cares when I kill it and eat it, and there's a lot more meat.
 
2013-11-05 12:35:41 AM  
If you cannot live off the land, you have no damned business being that far away from your refrigerator, asshole. Not only did you needlessly kill someone who trusted in your worthless ass, but think about all the shiat you put others through because of your ineptitude.
 
2013-11-05 12:37:26 AM  

China White Tea: But since we're here, you're implying... what? That there is never a situation in which eating a dog is acceptable?


Most people are arguing that there is never a situation where eating one's own dog is acceptable, which I agree with, to an extent. (Life raft, no rescue, 30 days+, sorry pooch) They are right in saying he's an asshole though, it's just too bad another bear didn't show up after he ate the dog.

/Mrs. Brainsick and I have talked about this and agreed we'll never eat our own pets in a survival situation. Neighbors' pets, yes, but not ours.
 
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