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2013-11-04 03:14:48 PM  

metatronarchetype: Yeah, the guy who says victim blaming is wrong is a troll. Outstanding!


Well, if it's any consolation to you, you're not that good at it.
 
2013-11-04 03:16:49 PM  

metatronarchetype: GanjSmokr: Skr: Hit with a rock eh? Sad indeed. Wouldn't do that myself. I'd look for other food sources or starve.

I may be stupid for it and would probably end up dead, but I'm with you.

I'd probably eat one of my dogs about the same time as most parents would eat one of their children.  Meaning never.

If you ever have kids, I'm sure they'll  appreciate knowing that they are just as important to you as animals that sniff each other's buttholes and eat their own feces.  Be sure to remind your children of this constantly.  Let them know how much you care.


My animals are my children.

Human children (which I won't be having) are annoying as hell, disrespectful, disease ridden, and break shiat.  You can keep them for yourself AFAIC.
 
2013-11-04 03:19:47 PM  
Am I right that this experienced woodsman, with a canoe in his possession, couldn't figure out how to get out of a bad situation?

I've gone backpacking with my dog a couple times, and one of the first times, I trusted the field guide about the availability of water at the end of a 12-mile trek. Showed up to find a dried up spring with the sun almost set and my hydration pack down to nothing...BAD planning, and this was here in Arizona. I had to turn around and hike my way out, almost entirely uphill, in the dark, but I have to give credit where it's due: my dog would run up ahead, turn around and just give me the most incredible "Are you coming or what?" look, then as soon as I'd catch up, he'd jog another 1/8 mile ahead and wait for me. That was one of the roughest, ridiculous things I've ever done, but if it weren't for my dog, I may have very well been in a world of hurt.
 
2013-11-04 03:21:59 PM  
Am i the only who thinks you could take a really hungry dog, point it at a squirrel and say "get it".....and then maybe share some??  I just don't see how you have to eat your dog, especially when the dog saved your life!  I wish the bear had ate the guy and the dog got saved.  Am I a horrible person, yes I am.  But the guy was an idiot and his dog just went along because he trusted the idiot.
 
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2013-11-04 03:22:17 PM  

orclover: Cats eat each other without a problem. You must all be cat people.


Uh, just for the record canines are JUST as prone to cannibalism as felines.
No, I will not link cites, go google it yourself, lazy-bones. It's very well documented.
 
2013-11-04 03:23:40 PM  
FTA link to the Toronto Sun article on the same story:

Survival expert Andre Francois Bourbeau said Lavoie did what he could to live.
"He survived because he made ‹good decisions. Eating his dog was one of them," said Bourbeau, author of a survival guide.
Bourbeau has researched hundreds of similar stories, some of which include cannibalism.
"You have to be desperate, but there's no shame in (eating the dog)," said Bourbeau. "He had to use reason."
 
2013-11-04 03:25:24 PM  
I wouldn't rule out eating my dog, even though I am an animal lover, but I'd sure as hell try to find food a little longer than a few days before I did it.
 
2013-11-04 03:26:14 PM  
Really, It took THIS long???

Fine.....I'll do it.


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2013-11-04 03:26:40 PM  

George Babbitt: FTA link to the Toronto Sun article on the same story:

Survival expert Andre Francois Bourbeau said Lavoie did what he could to live.
"He survived because he made ‹good decisions. Eating his dog was one of them," said Bourbeau, author of a survival guide.
Bourbeau has researched hundreds of similar stories, some of which include cannibalism.
"You have to be desperate, but there's no shame in (eating the dog)," said Bourbeau. "He had to use reason."


See dog lovers?  Even EXPERTS agree that you're foolish retards.

GanjSmokr: My animals are my children.


No, your animals are not your children.  They are your pets.  The fact that you think that your animal pets are your children indicates you probably shouldn't be allowed pets or children, because you are mentally ill.
 
2013-11-04 03:29:48 PM  

skozlaw: Good decision #1: wandering ill-prepared into the Canadian wilderness like a farking retard.


He wasn't ill-prepared. FTFA, "Lavoie is an experienced hiker who often spent weeks in the wilderness by himself."
 
2013-11-04 03:31:37 PM  

Agent Smiths Laugh: Agent Smiths Laugh: I'm gonna eat subby for sarting my day with that article : (

starting*


*sharting
 
2013-11-04 03:31:59 PM  

metatronarchetype: See dog lovers?  Even EXPERTS agree that you're foolish retards.


Since it was an alleged EXPERT who got lost for three months in rugged terrain, I'd say that the last laugh was on him.
And in Quebec?
Pullease spare me the drama.
This guy was an idiot.
Nothing more.

No sane person would put himself in that kind of position.
 
2013-11-04 03:32:45 PM  
The need for food and the length of time you can go without changes depending on the climate that you are in. Hot climate means that water is more important and your body doesn't need food to generate heat, or in the case of this man, who was in a cold climate, would need food earlier and more frequently.
 
2013-11-04 03:34:26 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: metatronarchetype: See dog lovers?  Even EXPERTS agree that you're foolish retards.

Since it was an alleged EXPERT who got lost for three months in rugged terrain, I'd say that the last laugh was on him.
And in Quebec?
Pullease spare me the drama.
This guy was an idiot.
Nothing more.

No sane person would put himself in that kind of position.


RTFA, the man who lost all his gear and food that he reasonably prepared for another of his many treks into the wilderness was experienced, and the man they spoke to about this trek for the article was the expert.
 
2013-11-04 03:34:34 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: metatronarchetype: See dog lovers?  Even EXPERTS agree that you're foolish retards.

Since it was an alleged EXPERT who got lost for three months in rugged terrain, I'd say that the last laugh was on him.
And in Quebec?
Pullease spare me the drama.
This guy was an idiot.
Nothing more.

No sane person would put himself in that kind of position.


No sane person would think of dogs as children, but here we are...
 
2013-11-04 03:36:35 PM  

metatronarchetype: GanjSmokr: My animals are my children.

No, your animals are not your children.  They are your pets.  The fact that you think that your animal pets are your children indicates you probably shouldn't be allowed pets or children, because you are mentally ill.


I'm terribly hurt by your words,  metatronarchetype.  The fact that you don't approve of my feelings for my dogs is, for lack of a better term, crushing.

You see, I can only exist by receiving affirmations about how I live from random people on fark.  Usually this goes well and I have a happy day.  Your harsh words have impacted me both mentally and physically and now I do not know what to do.  Please tell me you approve of me!  Please tell me you like me!!  If you don't, I honestly don't know what I'll do.
 
2013-11-04 03:37:53 PM  

GanjSmokr: metatronarchetype: GanjSmokr: My animals are my children.

No, your animals are not your children.  They are your pets.  The fact that you think that your animal pets are your children indicates you probably shouldn't be allowed pets or children, because you are mentally ill.

I'm terribly hurt by your words,  metatronarchetype.  The fact that you don't approve of my feelings for my dogs is, for lack of a better term, crushing.

You see, I can only exist by receiving affirmations about how I live from random people on fark.  Usually this goes well and I have a happy day.  Your harsh words have impacted me both mentally and physically and now I do not know what to do.  Please tell me you approve of me!  Please tell me you like me!!  If you don't, I honestly don't know what I'll do.


Thought that was why you bought your friends Rover and Trixie?
 
2013-11-04 03:37:55 PM  
I hope you get cancer.
 
2013-11-04 03:38:18 PM  
He couldn't have caught some fish?

Just sayin'. I mean, I guess he made the right call, but ...
 
2013-11-04 03:39:14 PM  

redsquid: [www.filmjunk.com image 500x271]
This is why you take your dog and a woman when you go camping.
Well, I'd certainly say she had marvelous judgment, Albert, if not particularly good taste.


lol, I loved that flick.  I think I'm gonna go back and watch it tonight.
 
2013-11-04 03:42:58 PM  

George Babbitt: RTFA, the man who lost all his gear and food that he reasonably prepared for another of his many treks into the wilderness was experienced, and the man they spoke to about this trek for the article was the expert.


Read the Toronto paper article.
Any experienced outdoorsman always has a plan for self-rescue at every point in an adventure.
It was written that the bear destroyed his boat and took his food.
Well, damn, guess he'd better eat the dog instead of trying to get the fark out of there.
He was 300 miles northwest of Montreal and probably not more than 100 miles from a human outpost of some kind, at most.

A reasonably fit person can walk at least 10 miles per day, which would have put help between five and 10 days away, at most. All he had to do was walk toward town and his dog would have followed him there.

But stupid is as stupid does. Even the local Cree Indians advised him against his cunning plan.
/Stupid white people problems.
 
2013-11-04 03:44:09 PM  

George Babbitt: GanjSmokr: metatronarchetype: GanjSmokr: My animals are my children.

No, your animals are not your children.  They are your pets.  The fact that you think that your animal pets are your children indicates you probably shouldn't be allowed pets or children, because you are mentally ill.

I'm terribly hurt by your words,  metatronarchetype.  The fact that you don't approve of my feelings for my dogs is, for lack of a better term, crushing.

You see, I can only exist by receiving affirmations about how I live from random people on fark.  Usually this goes well and I have a happy day.  Your harsh words have impacted me both mentally and physically and now I do not know what to do.  Please tell me you approve of me!  Please tell me you like me!!  If you don't, I honestly don't know what I'll do.

Thought that was why you bought your friends Rover and Trixie?


They lick the tears from my face on days like this when mean people on fark make me sad.
 
2013-11-04 03:45:17 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: A reasonably fit person can walk at least 10 miles per day, which would have put help between five and 10 days away, at most. All he had to do was walk toward town and his dog would have followed him there.


A reasonably fit person cannot walk 10 miles a day without food, especially in the wilderness.  Stop lying.
 
2013-11-04 03:45:27 PM  
Plus, he could have walked toward Provincial Highway 109, which leads him straight to the nearest town, Matagami, for the win.

But no. He stayed for the drama and the dog sushi.
 
2013-11-04 03:45:44 PM  
GanjSmokr:

My animals are my children.

Human children (which I won't be having) are annoying as hell, disrespectful, disease ridden, and break shiat.  You can keep them for yourself AFAIC.


Dude, I love animals (2 dogs, 2 cats, looking for a 5th) but if you think animals can't be annoying, sick, or break things I don't really believe you have any. I hope you aren't one of those animal owners like my neighbor down the street, who wouldn't keep her dogs leashed in the yard and they got put down by the city after chasing joggers every morning for months and biting 3 on our street. She was just  aghastthat her little snowballs could do that to the mean pedestrians who MUST'VE been asking for it. But of course, getting a fence or a leash was canine waterboarding.

No better than precious snowflake parents, that lot.
 
2013-11-04 03:45:48 PM  

metatronarchetype: I hope you get cancer.


Theres a reasonable human being for ya.

/can you eat a tumor? I mean like for survival?
 
2013-11-04 03:46:45 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: A reasonably fit person can walk at least 10 miles per day


On flat ground? Yes. Through rough wooded terrain? No.
 
2013-11-04 03:47:26 PM  

orclover: metatronarchetype: I hope you get cancer.

Theres a reasonable human being for ya.

/can you eat a tumor? I mean like for survival?


That guy on the X-Files needed them to live.  So yeah, you can eat tumors and some people actually will die if they do not.
 
2013-11-04 03:49:18 PM  

metatronarchetype: HotIgneous Intruder: A reasonably fit person can walk at least 10 miles per day, which would have put help between five and 10 days away, at most. All he had to do was walk toward town and his dog would have followed him there.

A reasonably fit person cannot walk 10 miles a day without food, especially in the wilderness.  Stop lying.


The furthest I've ever walked in a day is just short of 23 miles.
And that place is full of water.
He hand plenty.
I could walk 10 miles before lunch without food and so could someone looking to save himself.
Also, the place is full of plants to eat as a food substitute.
He could probably have swum or forded the river and made it to the highway easily had he had his wits about him.
 
2013-11-04 03:49:24 PM  
I'm not an outdoorsman or a camper or anything like that, but if a bear ate all his food, why did he just sit there and do nothing? Forget for a moment that he could have fished or foraged for more food, why didn't he just head for home? I know you die immediately without food, so why didn't he just start walking back towards civilization? He'd surely be able to walk a few miles a day for a few days before starvation left him too weak to continue. What the hell was his plan if the bear DIDN'T eat all his food? How was he planning on getting home?

This seems like a guy with a bad plan, no skills, no forethought, who got in over his head and did everything wrong form start to finish. Whatever future misfortune comes his way, I think he should remember that he earned it.
 
2013-11-04 03:51:59 PM  

George Babbitt: HotIgneous Intruder: A reasonably fit person can walk at least 10 miles per day

On flat ground? Yes. Through rough wooded terrain? No.


Ten miles IN rough wooded terrain.
At a minimum, moving from dawn to dusk in the north woods?
He couldn't walk eight-tenths of a mile per hour?
For the experienced outdoorsman he was reputed to be?

I call B.S. He went out there to die.
 
2013-11-04 03:52:36 PM  
There is a big chunk of this story missing.
He was out there for 3 months, and during that time, he had to eat his dog.  What the hell was he eating the rest of the time?  What happened to ALL of his equipment that it was ruined?  He had a canoe.  So, presumably, he was near water.  Water contains fish.  In Canada, LOTS of fish.  How far downriver was the nearest town?  Why could he not simply repair his canoe and go for a float?  Wasn't that his idea anyway?  What was his original plan?  Canoe for a while, and walk home?

So many things here are woefully wrong and stupid.  The fact that he ate his dog is only one of the things wrong.
It almost sounds like his original plan was to eat the dog and complain about it later.  People would never accept him doing that at home.
 
2013-11-04 03:54:09 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: metatronarchetype: HotIgneous Intruder: A reasonably fit person can walk at least 10 miles per day, which would have put help between five and 10 days away, at most. All he had to do was walk toward town and his dog would have followed him there.

A reasonably fit person cannot walk 10 miles a day without food, especially in the wilderness.  Stop lying.

The furthest I've ever walked in a day is just short of 23 miles.
And that place is full of water.
He hand plenty.
I could walk 10 miles before lunch without food and so could someone looking to save himself.
Also, the place is full of plants to eat as a food substitute.
He could probably have swum or forded the river and made it to the highway easily had he had his wits about him.


I'm sure you pulled off this amazing feat with no food of any sort too, right?  Liar.
 
2013-11-04 03:54:43 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: He could probably have swum or forded the river


Again, FTFA: "the Nottaway River is considered too dangerous even for the hardiest outdoorsmen."
 
2013-11-04 03:57:13 PM  

metatronarchetype: A reasonably fit person cannot walk 10 miles a day without food, especially in the wilderness.  Stop lying.


You're probably Cheeto-fed and can't walk very far anyway, so your perspective is understandable.
Note that I said a reasonably fit person, not an internet homunculus.
 
2013-11-04 03:57:39 PM  
The number of people relying on the a shiatty Gawker article to get a handle on this story when there is a well written article(compared to anything from GAwker) over at the Toronto Sun which fills in all that people are clamoring for.(excepting the judgmental lynch-mob attitude)
 
2013-11-04 03:59:22 PM  

Electromax: GanjSmokr:

My animals are my children.

Human children (which I won't be having) are annoying as hell, disrespectful, disease ridden, and break shiat.  You can keep them for yourself AFAIC.

Dude, I love animals (2 dogs, 2 cats, looking for a 5th) but if you think animals can't be annoying, sick, or break things I don't really believe you have any. I hope you aren't one of those animal owners like my neighbor down the street, who wouldn't keep her dogs leashed in the yard and they got put down by the city after chasing joggers every morning for months and biting 3 on our street. She was just  aghastthat her little snowballs could do that to the mean pedestrians who MUST'VE been asking for it. But of course, getting a fence or a leash was canine waterboarding.

No better than precious snowflake parents, that lot.


My dogs have never gotten me sick, nor do they annoy me.  Can't say that about my nieces or the children of my friends.

And it may be tough to believe, but my dogs don't break shiat, either.  Sorry if yours do, but mine don't.  They don't get leashed in the yard - they have full access to the house and a doggy door to let them into their fenced yard whenever they want.

/your neighbor down the street sounds like a irresponsible douchebag and it's too bad her pets were the ones that had to suffer.
 
2013-11-04 04:00:44 PM  
From the CNN article that is also linked "Up there, in the Canadian shield, there's little plant life to live off, so he would have been slowly, painfully dying when they found him." To answer all the internet hiking champions shouting that he should have foraged for sustenance.
 
2013-11-04 04:01:13 PM  
Reasonably fit people still need food.  Actually, the more exertion you undertake, the more food you will need regardless of your physical fitness level.  It's simple physics.  Expended energy needs to be replaced with something; you can't just decide to be tougher than hunger.

I'd also like to point out that for someone such as yourself who seems to know everything about wilderness survival and overland hiking, you seem to forget that the first rule of being lost in the woods is to sit tight.  Trying to walk your way out is universally considered a bad idea.  Moving around makes you harder to find, and burns precious calories that you need food to replace.

So, you're a liar and you're ignorant.  Good job!
 
2013-11-04 04:01:34 PM  

metatronarchetype: I'm sure you pulled off this amazing feat with no food of any sort too, right?  Liar.


Note that name calling violates the terms of service of fark and you are now in violation of those terms.

I'm an experienced outdoorsman and long-distance hiker.
Starting from start, when the bear ate my homework, and I survived courtesy of the dog, I would have made tracks instantly toward town. You can navigate across just about any body of water using logs to float on top of. You have to go all animal and it won't be comfortable, but if you want to live, oh yes, it's totally doable.

I could walk 20 right now to save my life or my kids' lives. Or my dog's life, for that matter.
This guy was just stupid.
 
2013-11-04 04:02:13 PM  
Also from the CNN article "
At some point during a planned two-month canoe trek in the Lake Matagami area, a bear attacked Lavoie's campsite, eating his food and ruining his equipment, police spokeswoman Christine Coulombe said.
The bear did not injure Lavoie but left him without the tools or resources to survive. Police say they have yet to speak with Lavoie to get details."

The authorities could discern all these things, and they haven't even spoke to Lavoie yet.
 
2013-11-04 04:04:16 PM  

durbnpoisn: There is a big chunk of this story missing.
He was out there for 3 months, and during that time, he had to eat his dog.  What the hell was he eating the rest of the time?  What happened to ALL of his equipment that it was ruined?  He had a canoe.  So, presumably, he was near water.  Water contains fish.  In Canada, LOTS of fish.  How far downriver was the nearest town?  Why could he not simply repair his canoe and go for a float?  Wasn't that his idea anyway?  What was his original plan?  Canoe for a while, and walk home?

So many things here are woefully wrong and stupid.  The fact that he ate his dog is only one of the things wrong.
It almost sounds like his original plan was to eat the dog and complain about it later.  People would never accept him doing that at home.


Or at least fashioned the remains of his canoe into some kind of paragliding device.  He could have harnessed a pair of freshwater dolphins and glided back to civilization.  What a moron.
 
2013-11-04 04:06:18 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: metatronarchetype: I'm sure you pulled off this amazing feat with no food of any sort too, right?  Liar.

Note that name calling violates the terms of service of fark and you are now in violation of those terms.

I'm an experienced outdoorsman and long-distance hiker.
Starting from start, when the bear ate my homework, and I survived courtesy of the dog, I would have made tracks instantly toward town. You can navigate across just about any body of water using logs to float on top of. You have to go all animal and it won't be comfortable, but if you want to live, oh yes, it's totally doable.

I could walk 20 right now to save my life or my kids' lives. Or my dog's life, for that matter.
This guy was just stupid.


I don't believe you are an experienced outdoorsman or long-distance hiker.  I do believe that you are a liar when you claim as such.  You have demonstrated no understanding of the situation that a true experienced outdoorsman and hiker would demonstrate, such as the fact that hiking out in such situations is ill-advised due to the reasons I have mentioned earlier in the thread.  If you feel that I am breaking some rules behind which you would like to hide by calling you a liar, feel free to report me to the authorities so they may protect you from the bad man on the internet who calls your bullshiat what it is.  Liar.
 
2013-11-04 04:06:38 PM  

GanjSmokr: Sorry if yours do, but mine don't.


Nah, was mostly just a sarcastic response to the idea that because your dogs are preferable to children, that makes every animal preferable to every child. Plenty of children aren't the problem child you are picturing when you think "a child".

I'm not planning on having any either, but mostly because I'm selfish.
 
2013-11-04 04:07:47 PM  

metatronarchetype: Reasonably fit people still need food.  Actually, the more exertion you undertake, the more food you will need regardless of your physical fitness level.  It's simple physics.  Expended energy needs to be replaced with something; you can't just decide to be tougher than hunger.

I'd also like to point out that for someone such as yourself who seems to know everything about wilderness survival and overland hiking, you seem to forget that the first rule of being lost in the woods is to sit tight.  Trying to walk your way out is universally considered a bad idea.  Moving around makes you harder to find, and burns precious calories that you need food to replace.

So, you're a liar and you're ignorant.  Good job!


How far have you walked?
In the woods?
In a day?
A week?
A year?
What's your personal basis for knowing all of this?
 
2013-11-04 04:09:54 PM  

George Babbitt: He wasn't ill-prepared


I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that anybody who wanders into wilderness "too dangerous for even the hardiest woodsman" for three months with no mechanism for communicating distress or disablement is ill prepared.

If you're going to wander into known-dangerous wilderness against the warnings of others by yourself with no communication to the outside world you should be left entirely to your devices. They should have left him out there. It was a waste of fuel picking him up.
 
2013-11-04 04:10:01 PM  

metatronarchetype: Expended energy needs to be replaced with something; you can't just decide to be tougher than hunger.


You probably cannot.
That's what makes you right at home at a keyboard and not out in the world.

Troll.
 
2013-11-04 04:12:38 PM  

karmaceutical: durbnpoisn: There is a big chunk of this story missing.
He was out there for 3 months, and during that time, he had to eat his dog.  What the hell was he eating the rest of the time?  What happened to ALL of his equipment that it was ruined?  He had a canoe.  So, presumably, he was near water.  Water contains fish.  In Canada, LOTS of fish.  How far downriver was the nearest town?  Why could he not simply repair his canoe and go for a float?  Wasn't that his idea anyway?  What was his original plan?  Canoe for a while, and walk home?

So many things here are woefully wrong and stupid.  The fact that he ate his dog is only one of the things wrong.
It almost sounds like his original plan was to eat the dog and complain about it later.  People would never accept him doing that at home.

Or at least fashioned the remains of his canoe into some kind of paragliding device.  He could have harnessed a pair of freshwater dolphins and glided back to civilization.  What a moron.


Yeah, see?  Now that's some thinkin' right there.
 
2013-11-04 04:12:43 PM  
HotIgneous Intruder:
How far have you walked?
In the woods?
In a day?
A week?
A year?
What's your personal basis for knowing all of this?


My longest hike was ~80 miles over ten days at Philmont scout ranch in 1984.  In mountainous terrain, my well provisioned group of 14-15 year olds had to eat large meals three times a day to keep our energy levels up.  But according to you, an older man with no access to calorie-rich food should be able to turn out 23 mile days in similar terrain with no problem at all!
 
2013-11-04 04:13:01 PM  
if you are going to have a problem killing something, probably best not to name it.

/dog would be screwed if he died anyhow
//or it could of been like 'to build a fire' by jack london
///but probably not
 
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