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(Opposing Views)   Pardon me, sir, but it appears your vehicle is obstructing the progress of my automobile due to what appears to be a double-parking situation. Would you mind terribly moving it, lest we exchange fatal gunfire?   (opposingviews.com) divider line 102
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2013-11-04 03:59:23 PM

Xenomech: I don't understand "double parking".  Do some people in the US just park in the middle of the street if there is no room to park along the curb?  Why would someone even think of doing that??


Yes. Selfishness. "It'll only take a minute!"

//Consider it temporary parking for the socially challenged and narcissistic.
 
2013-11-04 04:01:29 PM

Literally Addicted: Carn: Literally Addicted: Isolated incident...

Only responsible gun owners...

Guns don't kill people...


/need a copy/paste for those, they're used often enough

I think maybe the politeness comes from the people who witnessed the guy get gunned down by the responsible guy.

Which one was the "responsible" one again?   Responsible people park responsibly, react reasonably to a situation and/or don't necessarily feel the need to use a gun to make their point in a disagreement.  Doesn't sound like either of these fools were responsible.


I think by process of elimination we have to call the last man standing the responsible one.  I think that's how it's supposed to work.  Because both start out as responsible and good guys but then somebody gets shot so he must have been bad.
 
2013-11-04 04:01:32 PM
wait, was the double parker killed, or the guy who was inconvenienced by the double parker killed?

coz if the guy who double parked got hisself dead i'm ok with that. i hate that shiat. there's no reason for it. EVAR. Park in the red but dont be a dick and block the street.
 
2013-11-04 04:01:46 PM
"While the security guard was licensed to carry a firearm as part of his job, it is unclear why Ellis had one."

possibly because west philly is a crime-ridden shiat hole and it's unwise to not have some means of self defense when traveling there at 3am?
 
2013-11-04 04:03:09 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: Xenomech: I don't understand "double parking".  Do some people in the US just park in the middle of the street if there is no room to park along the curb?  Why would someone even think of doing that??

Yes. Selfishness. "It'll only take a minute!"

//Consider it temporary parking for the socially challenged and narcissistic.


Also done a lot by delivery drivers

In this case, it was 3 am.  I can see how double-parker #1 thought it wouldn't be likely that there would be someone else on the same narrow road who wanted to get by.

On the other, it's West Philadelphia.  Don't taunt the dynamite monkey and all that.

/in this case, both guys were the dynamite monkey
 
2013-11-04 04:04:26 PM

vudukungfu: Why I never carried when I worked as a security guard.
You are an observer. If you see something bad, call the cops.
Otherwise, cover your ass and run.
There is no honor in sticking your neck out for someone else's crap.


/|\ This... keep it holstered; and keep your wits about you... Mk I eyeball and your radio/cell phone are your two best tools...

Don't start nothing, keep your mouth shut... you wear the Blue button shirt... so keep it above board!
 
2013-11-04 04:05:35 PM

FrancoFile: Also done a lot by delivery drivers


A friend of mine who used to be a UPS driver once told me that UPS will pay double-parking tickets, but will not pay any other parking violations incurred by their fleet of trucks. I don't know if this is true, but it helps explain why delivery trucks so frequently double-park.
 
2013-11-04 04:05:53 PM

czei: Atomic Spunk: All of a sudden, a guy comes running out of the gate. He's pushing a handtruck with a big box on it. He raises his and and says, "Sorry! I couldn't find a place to park and I needed to load this in my van. I'll be gone in a few seconds."

One time I was blocked in by this big-ass SUV... I started to get out of the car, the other driver gets out, and low and behold it was my father-in-law, picking up a new appliance for the vacation home he lets me use for free.


These are the stories that keep me from getting fumed in these situations.  I consider this: not everyone is out to ruin my day.  Most people are generally good, and sometimes they make decisions that inconvenience others, not because they're bad people, it's because they're just going about their business and trying to just get the job done.

Inconvenience won't kill me, but when someone does something dangerous that can have an effect on others, that's when I get mad.

/like people carrying guns around everywhere they go when it's not part of their job
 
2013-11-04 04:06:46 PM
Dewey Street in West Philadelphia

*Shudders*

You really don't want to go anywhere above about 40th street... and that's pushing it.

/Dewey is between 61st and 62nd
 
2013-11-04 04:08:14 PM
So wait, an armed society is not a polite society?

Wharrrgarble!
 
2013-11-04 04:09:09 PM
One bright sunny day in the dead of night...
 
2013-11-04 04:10:15 PM

Heamer: FrancoFile: Also done a lot by delivery drivers

A friend of mine who used to be a UPS driver once told me that UPS will pay double-parking tickets, but will not pay any other parking violations incurred by their fleet of trucks. I don't know if this is true, but it helps explain why delivery trucks so frequently double-park.


In NYC, UPS, Fedex, and a few others just pay the city a flat fee to cover all parking violations. About 10 years ago, UPS went on strike, and the city gov't shiat itself, cause they lost a few million a month for that flat fee.

I guess what the city is saying is that if you're rich enough, laws don't apply to you, or something.
 
2013-11-04 04:11:09 PM
I've been mislead.  I was informed that having all these licensed gun owners running about toting their deadly weapons was going to make us all safer.

/Shocked.
 
2013-11-04 04:12:34 PM
Next parking spot... a casket.

images.wikia.com
 
2013-11-04 04:14:52 PM

Literally Addicted: czei: Atomic Spunk: All of a sudden, a guy comes running out of the gate. He's pushing a handtruck with a big box on it. He raises his and and says, "Sorry! I couldn't find a place to park and I needed to load this in my van. I'll be gone in a few seconds."

One time I was blocked in by this big-ass SUV... I started to get out of the car, the other driver gets out, and low and behold it was my father-in-law, picking up a new appliance for the vacation home he lets me use for free.

These are the stories that keep me from getting fumed in these situations.  I consider this: not everyone is out to ruin my day.  Most people are generally good, and sometimes they make decisions that inconvenience others, not because they're bad people, it's because they're just going about their business and trying to just get the job done.

Inconvenience won't kill me, but when someone does something dangerous that can have an effect on others, that's when I get mad.

/like people carrying guns around everywhere they go when it's not part of their job


No its people trying to get the job done in the easiest way for THEM.

That is what makes them assholes. Look I get that you just need to run in etc but it always comes down to this, If everyone does this its chaos. And the people who think it is no big deal are always the people that chose their convenience over that of other people.

So one guy decides to block traffic at 3AM when he more than likely could have found a spot or drove around until the person came out. But not only did he chose his entitled convenience over others he killed someone to back it up. The guy should be behind bars.
 
2013-11-04 04:17:51 PM
Based on the quotes given in the article about the security guard... it's not beyond a reasonable doubt to assume he's black. Apparently too the security guard had a problem with the man simply pulling up him behind him trying to get by?


Let's backup though -- who was in the wrong first?  The double parker obviously. It's also not unreasonable to assume that based on his language and actions the security guard tried the ghetto trick of flashing his piece to try and scare the (legal) motorist off.

I hope they figure out what really happened.  I'd easily believe though that the 25 year old was some hot head ghetto POS that thought he was a real cop who could pull abuses like double parking.
 
2013-11-04 04:18:00 PM

tripleseven: Heamer: FrancoFile: Also done a lot by delivery drivers

A friend of mine who used to be a UPS driver once told me that UPS will pay double-parking tickets, but will not pay any other parking violations incurred by their fleet of trucks. I don't know if this is true, but it helps explain why delivery trucks so frequently double-park.

In NYC, UPS, Fedex, and a few others just pay the city a flat fee to cover all parking violations. About 10 years ago, UPS went on strike, and the city gov't shiat itself, cause they lost a few million a month for that flat fee.

I guess what the city is saying is that if you're rich enough, laws don't apply to you, or something.


Actually it is a fine. So the law does apply to them as the cities tend to allow these large corp to settle the HUGE amount of traffic violations in bulk vs. one at a time which would cost the city more $$. The companies write off the tickets as a cost of doing business but they are fined just alike anyone else. In fact the companies are easy targets for revenue collection.
 
2013-11-04 04:19:57 PM

kindms: So one guy decides to block traffic at 3AM when he more than likely could have found a spot or drove around until the person came out. But not only did he chose his entitled convenience over others he killed someone to back it up. The guy should be behind bars.


Fair enough, but I look at it this way: is it more reasonable to just find a way around a situation, rather than pick a fight at 3am over convenience?

Frankly, I'm not defending either of them. They both made poor decisions.  I am glad, however, that they didn't hurt anyone else.
 
2013-11-04 04:21:02 PM

kindms: tripleseven: Heamer: FrancoFile: Also done a lot by delivery drivers

A friend of mine who used to be a UPS driver once told me that UPS will pay double-parking tickets, but will not pay any other parking violations incurred by their fleet of trucks. I don't know if this is true, but it helps explain why delivery trucks so frequently double-park.

In NYC, UPS, Fedex, and a few others just pay the city a flat fee to cover all parking violations. About 10 years ago, UPS went on strike, and the city gov't shiat itself, cause they lost a few million a month for that flat fee.

I guess what the city is saying is that if you're rich enough, laws don't apply to you, or something.

Actually it is a fine. So the law does apply to them as the cities tend to allow these large corp to settle the HUGE amount of traffic violations in bulk vs. one at a time which would cost the city more $$. The companies write off the tickets as a cost of doing business but they are fined just alike anyone else. In fact the companies are easy targets for revenue collection.


It's not a fine if it is a fixed cost.

And, if they can bulk "eliminate" all of the tickets accrued by one company, it's not too much more to settle each of them, for the city at least.
 
2013-11-04 04:25:35 PM

Relatively Obscure: Nutsac_Jim: "Don't be pulling up on my car that way "

What does that even mean?



img.fark.net

That's right baby, you take it, you take it right in the tailpipe.
 
2013-11-04 04:28:45 PM

tripleseven: kindms: tripleseven: Heamer: FrancoFile: Also done a lot by delivery drivers

A friend of mine who used to be a UPS driver once told me that UPS will pay double-parking tickets, but will not pay any other parking violations incurred by their fleet of trucks. I don't know if this is true, but it helps explain why delivery trucks so frequently double-park.

In NYC, UPS, Fedex, and a few others just pay the city a flat fee to cover all parking violations. About 10 years ago, UPS went on strike, and the city gov't shiat itself, cause they lost a few million a month for that flat fee.

I guess what the city is saying is that if you're rich enough, laws don't apply to you, or something.

Actually it is a fine. So the law does apply to them as the cities tend to allow these large corp to settle the HUGE amount of traffic violations in bulk vs. one at a time which would cost the city more $$. The companies write off the tickets as a cost of doing business but they are fined just alike anyone else. In fact the companies are easy targets for revenue collection.

It's not a fine if it is a fixed cost.

And, if they can bulk "eliminate" all of the tickets accrued by one company, it's not too much more to settle each of them, for the city at least.


WRONG.

http://www.ajc.com/weblogs/biz-beat/2013/may/28/ups-fedex-face-stiff -p arking-fines-nyc/

"A UPS spokesman told Crain's New York Business the company pays New York City more than $1 million a quarter for parking violations. FedEx paid out $1.8 million in the first quarter, according to Crain's report on the millions of dollars commercial businesses are fined annually in the city.

Critics say the delivery companies get discounts on their fines if they are enrolled in a program that expedites their payments.  The program also allows them to double-park in some areas. The New York Trucking & Delivery Association has sued the city, claiming the city is trying to make up for lost revenue. "

The city has a way for them to pay them off quicker and they give them a discount but it is not a FIXED cost
 
2013-11-04 04:44:52 PM
Man!  Some people get to have all the fun!
 
2013-11-04 04:49:37 PM
"don't come up on my car like that" is put in because they forgot to label him black
 
2013-11-04 04:50:59 PM

Literally Addicted: Carn: Literally Addicted: Isolated incident...

Only responsible gun owners...

Guns don't kill people...


/need a copy/paste for those, they're used often enough

I think maybe the politeness comes from the people who witnessed the guy get gunned down by the responsible guy.

Which one was the "responsible" one again?   Responsible people park responsibly, react reasonably to a situation and/or don't necessarily feel the need to use a gun to make their point in a disagreement.  Doesn't sound like either of these fools were responsible.


They are both originally responsible gun owners because they legally own guns. Then if one of them acts irresponsibly, they stop being responsible gun owners, hence gun owners are NEVER irresponsible. Or something like that.
 
2013-11-04 04:52:27 PM
Well the security guy may not be a real cop, but his gun and bulletproof vest were real.
 
2013-11-04 04:52:55 PM

The_Original_Roxtar: "While the security guard was licensed to carry a firearm as part of his job, it is unclear why Ellis had one."

possibly because west philly is a crime-ridden shiat hole and it's unwise to not have some means of self defense when traveling there at 3am?


Maybe someone should consider firebombing it?
 
2013-11-04 05:12:43 PM
I Keep a bicycle chain/lock on you at all times. When I run into these situations, I loop the thing through their grill or the mirrors, and lock it shut.  It is a 5 dollar investment that makes me feel better.
 
2013-11-04 05:13:55 PM
Every time I think of getting those "you park like an asshole" business cards to leave on inconsiderate people's windshields, I think of stories like this.

It's just not worth the risk.  People are just too unpredictable and violent.  I don't want to deal with a possible disaster just because I wanted to let someone know they're behaving like a dick and they're so emotionally fragile that they respond as though I just kicked their mother in the coont before their very eyes.
 
2013-11-04 05:14:43 PM

simkatu: I've been mislead.  I was informed that having all these licensed gun owners running about toting their deadly weapons was going to make us all safer.

/Shocked.


I'm pretty sure that the dead guy most likely wasn't legally carrying his pistol, while the security guard was.  If the dead guy had been a CCW holder, the article most likely would have said so.

/"marksmanship" means the capacity to go for the head shot.
 
2013-11-04 05:20:39 PM
accelerus: It's also not unreasonable to assume that based on his language and actions the security guard tried the ghetto trick of flashing his piece to try and scare the (legal) motorist off.

What do you mean, "flash his piece"?  If he was in uniform, wearing a "bulletproof" (translation:  "Big, bulky, uncomfortable, highly visible, somewhat-bullet-resistant heat-sink") vest, with his weapon on his hip (as most uniformed security guards are required to wear them), why/how would he "flash his piece"?
 
2013-11-04 05:27:54 PM

Yogimus: I Keep a bicycle chain/lock on you at all times. When I run into these situations, I loop the thing through their grill or the mirrors, and lock it shut.  It is a 5 dollar investment that makes me feel better.


Why?  Just so it flaps against the car?
 
2013-11-04 05:31:24 PM

simkatu: I've been mislead.  I was informed that having all these licensed gun owners running about toting their deadly weapons was going to make us all safer.

/Shocked.


I've been mislead. I was informed that the streets of the ghetto are perfectly safe places to be at 3 a.m.

/Shocked.
 
2013-11-04 05:32:54 PM

WTP 2: "don't come up on my car like that" is put in because they forgot to label him black


Not necessarily.  It may be something like a "regional colloquialism".  Awhile back, while on a trip, my wife, kids, and I had to unexpectedly stop and get a hotel room when a one day drive needed to be broken up.  We ended up pulling off the Interstate in a bad suburban area.  While I was unloading the vehicle, somebody pulled up very close behind me, and inched their way into my parking space, which I had left so that I could open the rear door of my vehicle safely.  I approached the driver, and politely asked him to pull back a bit to lessen the risk of my rear door unintentionally damaging his vehicle.  I was polite (I'm ALWAYS polite, even when irritated) and started the conversation with "Excuse me, Sir, but would you mind" before requesting that he move his car back within the painted lines of the empty space he was parking in.  Apparently, he apparently figured that I wasn't local (as if the out of state plates didn't give it away) and looked so pissed off that I felt that it was necessary to put my hand under my untucked shirt and on my (routinely carried but IWB holstered) sidearm, at which point he complied and stormed off.  Race wasn't an issue, but it's very possible that what irritated him was the fact that I "didn't speak local".  I'm just glad that I had the option of my concealed sidearm, instead of having to open the rear of my vehicle, damaging his vehicle, to get to my MBR out.
 
2013-11-04 05:35:56 PM

jrodr018: They are both originally responsible gun owners because they legally own guns. Then if one of them acts irresponsibly, they stop being responsible gun owners, hence gun owners are NEVER irresponsible. Or something like that.


We don't know that the dead guy was "responsible" just because he was armed.  He may have in fact been unable to legally own, much less legally carry, a concealed pistol.
 
2013-11-04 05:37:19 PM

Yogimus: I Keep a bicycle chain/lock on you at all times. When I run into these situations, I loop the thing through their grill or the mirrors, and lock it shut.  It is a 5 dollar investment that makes me feel better.


What, people near you don't have bolt cutters in their vehicles/garages???
 
2013-11-04 06:18:36 PM
Ow! That was my feelings!:

Yes. Selfishness. "It'll only take a minute!"

//Consider it temporary parking for the socially challenged and narcissistic.



You just described 90% of Americans.  (and most Farkers as well!)
 
2013-11-04 06:22:24 PM

flak attack: farkingismybusiness: [www.streetsblog.org image 510x383]
They should dust the crime scene for fresh prints.

[i1.ytimg.com image 480x360]


No, no...finger prints!
 
2013-11-04 06:28:52 PM

TheYeti: So, someone drove too close to a car.

Then there were hurtful words, and someone's precious feelings were hurt.

Now someone is dead.

Man, some people sure are stupid.


Well, we can't be having hurt feelings. We're all special wonderful human beings entitled to be treated as if we are the only human on earth and everyone else is merely a secondary consideration (if that). I got in your way? That's of no moment, you can't possibly be going anywhere nearly as important as I.

This kind of thing will no doubt happen more and more, as more people raised on the notion that their needs are sacrosanct and nobody else matters enter general circulation.
 
2013-11-04 06:42:08 PM

Secret Master of All Flatulence: jrodr018: They are both originally responsible gun owners because they legally own guns. Then if one of them acts irresponsibly, they stop being responsible gun owners, hence gun owners are NEVER irresponsible. Or something like that.

We don't know that the dead guy was "responsible" just because he was armed.  He may have in fact been unable to legally own, much less legally carry, a concealed pistol.


Yeah I was just explaining the joke...
 
2013-11-04 06:46:36 PM
At least their families can be proud that these brave young heroes stood their ground.
 
2013-11-04 07:58:11 PM
The decedent.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-11-04 08:08:23 PM
Fricking testosterone? Can't you guys control yourselves? Oh wait. NO!
 
2013-11-04 08:52:14 PM
double park, ie blocking a road, should carry a shot in the head penalty.

Sadly, the wrong person was shot this time.
 
2013-11-04 08:57:08 PM

bratface: Fricking testosterone? Can't you guys control yourselves? Oh wait. NO!


www.genderandeducation.com
 
2013-11-04 09:47:37 PM
Should have just tried chillin' out maxin' relaxin' all cool...
Instead of startin' making trouble in the neighborhood.
 
2013-11-04 10:47:57 PM
I always throw rocks at cars that parked like that--not enough to break anything, just enough to ding or chip.
 
2013-11-05 12:53:25 AM

ginkor: The decedent.

[i.imgur.com image 269x326]


It's a shame he's dead and all, but I cannot let that neckbeard pass without comment. It is truly epic. Unless it's just the shadow in the picture. In which case, it's a shame he's dead. Trolling people for a gunfight whilst wearing armor is a coward's move. And double parkers suck, to boot. That security guard is a douche of the first order, and I hope he serves some serious time for this, regardless of the epicness of the neckbeard (or shadow) on the deceased.
 
2013-11-05 01:02:38 AM

Secret Master of All Flatulence: WTP 2: "don't come up on my car like that" is put in because they forgot to label him black

Not necessarily.  It may be something like a "regional colloquialism".  Awhile back, while on a trip, my wife, kids, and I had to unexpectedly stop and get a hotel room when a one day drive needed to be broken up.  We ended up pulling off the Interstate in a bad suburban area.  While I was unloading the vehicle, somebody pulled up very close behind me, and inched their way into my parking space, which I had left so that I could open the rear door of my vehicle safely.  I approached the driver, and politely asked him to pull back a bit to lessen the risk of my rear door unintentionally damaging his vehicle.  I was polite (I'm ALWAYS polite, even when irritated) and started the conversation with "Excuse me, Sir, but would you mind" before requesting that he move his car back within the painted lines of the empty space he was parking in.  Apparently, he apparently figured that I wasn't local (as if the out of state plates didn't give it away) and looked so pissed off that I felt that it was necessary to put my hand under my untucked shirt and on my (routinely carried but IWB holstered) sidearm, at which point he complied and stormed off.  Race wasn't an issue, but it's very possible that what irritated him was the fact that I "didn't speak local".  I'm just glad that I had the option of my concealed sidearm, instead of having to open the rear of my vehicle, damaging his vehicle, to get to my MBR out.


Gah! Every person in this story is reinforcing my decision to never travel to the states.
 
2013-11-05 01:27:27 AM

cleanup in aisle 2: Secret Master of All Flatulence: WTP 2: "don't come up on my car like that" is put in because they forgot to label him black

Not necessarily.  It may be something like a "regional colloquialism".  Awhile back, while on a trip, my wife, kids, and I had to unexpectedly stop and get a hotel room when a one day drive needed to be broken up.  We ended up pulling off the Interstate in a bad suburban area.  While I was unloading the vehicle, somebody pulled up very close behind me, and inched their way into my parking space, which I had left so that I could open the rear door of my vehicle safely.  I approached the driver, and politely asked him to pull back a bit to lessen the risk of my rear door unintentionally damaging his vehicle.  I was polite (I'm ALWAYS polite, even when irritated) and started the conversation with "Excuse me, Sir, but would you mind" before requesting that he move his car back within the painted lines of the empty space he was parking in.  Apparently, he apparently figured that I wasn't local (as if the out of state plates didn't give it away) and looked so pissed off that I felt that it was necessary to put my hand under my untucked shirt and on my (routinely carried but IWB holstered) sidearm, at which point he complied and stormed off.  Race wasn't an issue, but it's very possible that what irritated him was the fact that I "didn't speak local".  I'm just glad that I had the option of my concealed sidearm, instead of having to open the rear of my vehicle, damaging his vehicle, to get to my MBR out.

Gah! Every person in this story is reinforcing my decision to never travel to the states.


It's not really as bad as all that. But avoid Detroit. And Chicago. And, hell it does have its own Fark tag, so you should probably scratch Florida from the list. But really, it's a lovely country. Come visit. Spend money. We need it to pay the Chinese.
 
2013-11-05 05:30:42 AM

Xenomech: I don't understand "double parking".  Do some people in the US just park in the middle of the street if there is no room to park along the curb?  Why would someone even think of doing that??


1. Yes
2.  Because they're assholes who feel entitled.

As an ancillary, it's not limited to the USA either

kindms: Actually it is a fine. So the law does apply to them as the cities tend to allow these large corp to settle the HUGE amount of traffic violations in bulk vs. one at a time which would cost the city more $$. The companies write off the tickets as a cost of doing business but they are fined just alike anyone else. In fact the companies are easy targets for revenue collection.


The problem becomes one that for the extremely rich 'fine' tends to metamorph into being a 'fee'.  Consider that parking in a handicapped zone is $100-250 in most areas.  If you make $10M/year, you might consider ~$10k/year(getting popped for it 1-2 times a week) worth being able to park in a handicapped spot.
 
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