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2013-11-04 12:21:31 PM
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2013-11-04 12:32:28 PM
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What a Clemson might look like.
 
2013-11-04 12:33:51 PM
Hey Wake Forest got mentioned in print! Big Victory for us!!
 
2013-11-04 12:39:22 PM
At the beginning of the season, I thought FSU was overrated and wouldn't finish in the top 15 by the year's end.  Boy was I wrong.  At this point, if the championship game is anyone but FSU and Alabama, the two best teams aren't playing.
 
2013-11-04 12:42:24 PM
Miami is back every year, then they play the only team on their schedule and lose by 40
 
2013-11-04 12:43:21 PM

llortcM_yllort: At the beginning of the season, I thought FSU was overrated and wouldn't finish in the top 15 by the year's end.  Boy was I wrong.  At this point, if the championship game is anyone but FSU and Alabama, the two best teams aren't playing.


Because Ohio State (who hasn't lost in 2 years) is just awful - Look I hate OSU as much as anyone, but let's be real here - they are as deserving as the other 2 schools you mentioned
 
2013-11-04 12:45:08 PM

llortcM_yllort: At the beginning of the season, I thought FSU was overrated and wouldn't finish in the top 15 by the year's end.  Boy was I wrong.  At this point, if the championship game is anyone but FSU and Alabama, the two best teams aren't playing.


I think Oregon is incredible. We will know on Thursday. I think either Oregon or FSU can match up well against Alabama. I'm pulling for FSU to get to the National Championship game.  This is the year we need the playoff.


I think the BCS games is Oregon and Alabama. I think tOSU gets destroyed by FSU in a lower tier bowl. Baylor plays Stanford/Clemson or somebody.
 
2013-11-04 12:45:21 PM
But how does this relate to the SEC?  I mean if we're talking college football you are required to mention how awesome they are and how a sloppy game between two teams that are 3-3 in the SEC just proves how awesome the conference is.
 
2013-11-04 12:47:15 PM

p the boiler: Because Ohio State (who hasn't lost in 2 years) is just awful - Look I hate OSU as much as anyone, but let's be real here - they are as deserving as the other 2 schools you mentioned


Not if Boise St wasn't deseving back when they were going unbeaten annually.  Ohio State hasn't beaten anyone in the Top 15 in the last two seasons (at least I think that is what I read)
 
2013-11-04 12:47:58 PM

llortcM_yllort: At the beginning of the season, I thought FSU was overrated and wouldn't finish in the top 15 by the year's end.  Boy was I wrong.  At this point, if the championship game is anyone but FSU and Alabama, the two best teams aren't playing.


Still lots of football to be played.
 
2013-11-04 12:50:34 PM

p the boiler: llortcM_yllort: At the beginning of the season, I thought FSU was overrated and wouldn't finish in the top 15 by the year's end.  Boy was I wrong.  At this point, if the championship game is anyone but FSU and Alabama, the two best teams aren't playing.

Because Ohio State (who hasn't lost in 2 years) is just awful - Look I hate OSU as much as anyone, but let's be real here - they are as deserving as the other 2 schools you mentioned


Yeah, I guess their resume is pretty decent.  Their schedule is weak (but so is FSU so I guess it's a wash), but the biggest thing for me is margin of victory.  Outside of Penn State, OSU hasn't thumped anyone good (and even then PSU is not Clemson or Miami) and had a near miss to a Northwestern team that isn't as good as we thought they were.  Meanwhile, FSU has kicked the shiat out of every team they played.  They seem to have a better resume this year, even if Ohio State has been better in recent history.

Can we at least agree that Oregon is overrated?  I look forward to them disappearing from the title talk once they lose to Stanford.
 
2013-11-04 12:51:17 PM
subby, my the fleas of a thousand camels infest your crotch.
 
2013-11-04 12:51:57 PM
And Georgia Tech might have a shot at sneaking into the ACC Ttile Game again.
 
2013-11-04 12:52:48 PM

llortcM_yllort: p the boiler: llortcM_yllort: At the beginning of the season, I thought FSU was overrated and wouldn't finish in the top 15 by the year's end.  Boy was I wrong.  At this point, if the championship game is anyone but FSU and Alabama, the two best teams aren't playing.

Because Ohio State (who hasn't lost in 2 years) is just awful - Look I hate OSU as much as anyone, but let's be real here - they are as deserving as the other 2 schools you mentioned

Yeah, I guess their resume is pretty decent.  Their schedule is weak (but so is FSU so I guess it's a wash), but the biggest thing for me is margin of victory.  Outside of Penn State, OSU hasn't thumped anyone good (and even then PSU is not Clemson or Miami) and had a near miss to a Northwestern team that isn't as good as we thought they were.  Meanwhile, FSU has kicked the shiat out of every team they played.  They seem to have a better resume this year, even if Ohio State has been better in recent history.

Can we at least agree that Oregon is overrated?  I look forward to them disappearing from the title talk once they lose to Stanford.


Why do you out think Oregon is overrated?

And yes, their title talk will disappear IFF they lose to Stanford...or any other of their remaining games.
 
2013-11-04 12:54:35 PM

ScouserDuck: llortcM_yllort: p the boiler: llortcM_yllort: At the beginning of the season, I thought FSU was overrated and wouldn't finish in the top 15 by the year's end.  Boy was I wrong.  At this point, if the championship game is anyone but FSU and Alabama, the two best teams aren't playing.

Because Ohio State (who hasn't lost in 2 years) is just awful - Look I hate OSU as much as anyone, but let's be real here - they are as deserving as the other 2 schools you mentioned

Yeah, I guess their resume is pretty decent.  Their schedule is weak (but so is FSU so I guess it's a wash), but the biggest thing for me is margin of victory.  Outside of Penn State, OSU hasn't thumped anyone good (and even then PSU is not Clemson or Miami) and had a near miss to a Northwestern team that isn't as good as we thought they were.  Meanwhile, FSU has kicked the shiat out of every team they played.  They seem to have a better resume this year, even if Ohio State has been better in recent history.

Can we at least agree that Oregon is overrated?  I look forward to them disappearing from the title talk once they lose to Stanford.

Why do you out think Oregon is overrated?

And yes, their title talk will disappear IFF they lose to Stanford...or any other of their remaining games.


Because I don't understand why everyone has a raging hard on for the PAC-12.
 
2013-11-04 12:56:32 PM

Devo: llortcM_yllort: At the beginning of the season, I thought FSU was overrated and wouldn't finish in the top 15 by the year's end.  Boy was I wrong.  At this point, if the championship game is anyone but FSU and Alabama, the two best teams aren't playing.

I think Oregon is incredible. We will know on Thursday. I think either Oregon or FSU can match up well against Alabama. I'm pulling for FSU to get to the National Championship game.  This is the year we need the playoff.


I think the BCS games is Oregon and Alabama. I think tOSU gets destroyed by FSU in a lower tier bowl. Baylor plays Stanford/Clemson or somebody.


I want a Baylor Oregon championship, just to see the score be 90-80.  I know it won't happen.

Baylor's going to wind up getting screwed, though.
 
2013-11-04 12:58:17 PM
Go Hokies!!!

/sob...
 
2013-11-04 12:59:06 PM

Fizpez: But how does this relate to the SEC?  I mean if we're talking college football you are required to mention how awesome they are and how a sloppy game between two teams that are 3-3 in the SEC just proves how awesome the conference is.


I think that the fact the SEC has won the past 7 titles, won by 4 separate teams, proves how awesome the conference is.
 
2013-11-04 01:00:41 PM
How does the Florida State quarterback see receivers downfield if he has to squint to see the sideline signals?

And, why doesn't one of his backs or receivers just look for the signals for him and just tell him?
 
2013-11-04 01:01:52 PM

llortcM_yllort: p the boiler: llortcM_yllort: At the beginning of the season, I thought FSU was overrated and wouldn't finish in the top 15 by the year's end.  Boy was I wrong.  At this point, if the championship game is anyone but FSU and Alabama, the two best teams aren't playing.

Because Ohio State (who hasn't lost in 2 years) is just awful - Look I hate OSU as much as anyone, but let's be real here - they are as deserving as the other 2 schools you mentioned

Yeah, I guess their resume is pretty decent.  Their schedule is weak (but so is FSU so I guess it's a wash), but the biggest thing for me is margin of victory.  Outside of Penn State, OSU hasn't thumped anyone good (and even then PSU is not Clemson or Miami) and had a near miss to a Northwestern team that isn't as good as we thought they were.  Meanwhile, FSU has kicked the shiat out of every team they played.  They seem to have a better resume this year, even if Ohio State has been better in recent history.

Can we at least agree that Oregon is overrated?  I look forward to them disappearing from the title talk once they lose to Stanford.


I don't think Oregon will lose to Stanford this year. Utah and Oregon State demonstrated some major weaknesses in the secondary. The only reason Oregon State didn't beat them was the ability of the D-line to get to Mannion. Oregon's offensive line is a lot better than Oregon State's...

But anything could happen. On paper right now Oregon wins, barring CLOWNSHOES.
 
2013-11-04 01:02:35 PM
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2013-11-04 01:02:49 PM

p the boiler: llortcM_yllort: At the beginning of the season, I thought FSU was overrated and wouldn't finish in the top 15 by the year's end.  Boy was I wrong.  At this point, if the championship game is anyone but FSU and Alabama, the two best teams aren't playing.

Because Ohio State (who hasn't lost in 2 years) is just awful - Look I hate OSU as much as anyone, but let's be real here - they are as deserving as the other 2 schools you mentioned


Looks like we'll have 2 national championship games played in Pasadena this year: Alabama-Florida State for the "real" one, and Ohio State-Oregon for the one for every other school.
 
2013-11-04 01:05:51 PM

llortcM_yllort: ScouserDuck: llortcM_yllort: p the boiler: llortcM_yllort: At the beginning of the season, I thought FSU was overrated and wouldn't finish in the top 15 by the year's end.  Boy was I wrong.  At this point, if the championship game is anyone but FSU and Alabama, the two best teams aren't playing.

Because Ohio State (who hasn't lost in 2 years) is just awful - Look I hate OSU as much as anyone, but let's be real here - they are as deserving as the other 2 schools you mentioned

Yeah, I guess their resume is pretty decent.  Their schedule is weak (but so is FSU so I guess it's a wash), but the biggest thing for me is margin of victory.  Outside of Penn State, OSU hasn't thumped anyone good (and even then PSU is not Clemson or Miami) and had a near miss to a Northwestern team that isn't as good as we thought they were.  Meanwhile, FSU has kicked the shiat out of every team they played.  They seem to have a better resume this year, even if Ohio State has been better in recent history.

Can we at least agree that Oregon is overrated?  I look forward to them disappearing from the title talk once they lose to Stanford.

Why do you out think Oregon is overrated?

And yes, their title talk will disappear IFF they lose to Stanford...or any other of their remaining games.

Because I don't understand why everyone has a raging hard on for the PAC-12.


Meh, doesn't really answer my question. And it's not like the ACC boasts the most spectacular resume.
 
2013-11-04 01:08:14 PM

llortcM_yllort: Can we at least agree that Oregon Florida State is overrated? I look forward to them disappearing from the title talk once they lose to Stanford Idaho.


Nice cans
 
2013-11-04 01:13:21 PM

Fizpez: But how does this relate to the SEC?  I mean if we're talking college football you are required to mention how awesome they are and how a sloppy game between two teams that are 3-3 in the SEC just proves how awesome the conference is.


I suppose someone has to be "that guy." May as well be you.
 
2013-11-04 01:13:40 PM

MugzyBrown: Fizpez: But how does this relate to the SEC?  I mean if we're talking college football you are required to mention how awesome they are and how a sloppy game between two teams that are 3-3 in the SEC just proves how awesome the conference is.

I think that the fact the SEC has won the past 7 titles, won by 4 separate teams, proves how awesome the conference is.


The DEFAULT position is that the conference is awesome so most of its teams are ranked - every win looks lmpressive because its against ranked opponents ergo they always have a team  in the BCS game.

You can only win it if you play in it and what we've learned is that the SEC is a coin flip "favorite" against the better teams in other conferences.  If the conference was head and shoulders above everyone else they should almost never lose a champtionship game or a bowl game.

I want to be clear - the conference is very very good - but when a team can lose 3 games in the SEC and still be ranked in the top 20 because, well hey, they lost to GREAT teams so its OK.

Let's look at a counter example:  Ohio State "struggled" to beat Iowa.... pfft Iowa, they suck!  Clearly the Big 10 is down... except at 5-4 Iowa has lost 4 games... every single one of them to a team ranked in the top 25 and all reasonably close games.  Ohio State gets killed for barely winning that game...

I've watched some of the mid ranked SEC teams play each other... sloppy games, high turn over games, interceptions being thrown left and right and not on great defensive plays but horribly thrown balls - and the announcers are going on and on about that SEC speed on defense - and what I'm seeing is just bad football.

When the BCS game is pretty much always the best SEC team + someone else its very likely they're going to win about 1/2 the title games.

When they go to a 4 or 8 team tourney and the SEC wins most of them I will eat my words - right now I believe they are a product of both great football AND great marketing.
 
2013-11-04 01:15:11 PM

Devo: I think the BCS games is Oregon and Alabama. I think tOSU gets destroyed by FSU in a lower tier bowl. Baylor plays Stanford/Clemson or somebody.


If they all win out, here's my guess.

NC-Game: Alabama - Oregon
Rose Bowl: OSU - Stanford
Orange Bowl: FSU -  Oklahoma/Texas A&M(?)
Sugar Bowl: Auburn or LSU - Clemson
Fiesta Bowl: Big 12 Champ (Baylor/Ok. State) - Fresno State

The big thing to remember, if Alabama and Oregon go, then Rose Bowl gets OSU and Orange Bowl get FSU automatically, so they won't face each other.  If Alabama and FSU go, then Rose Bowl gets OSU and Oregon automatically.
 
2013-11-04 01:26:05 PM

srhp29: p the boiler: Because Ohio State (who hasn't lost in 2 years) is just awful - Look I hate OSU as much as anyone, but let's be real here - they are as deserving as the other 2 schools you mentioned

Not if Boise St wasn't deseving back when they were going unbeaten annually.  Ohio State hasn't beaten anyone in the Top 15 in the last two seasons (at least I think that is what I read)


just because Miami was ranked high, that doesn't mean they should have been.

that also doesn't mean fsu is bad. you can only play the teams on your schedule. if your conference sucks, so will your schedule.

I think it's reasonable both Oregon and Alabama lose a game, and fsu and Ohio state go unbeaten. then brace yourselves for the SEC of all SEC biatchfests
 
2013-11-04 01:33:34 PM

OSULugan: Devo: I think the BCS games is Oregon and Alabama. I think tOSU gets destroyed by FSU in a lower tier bowl. Baylor plays Stanford/Clemson or somebody.

If they all win out, here's my guess.

NC-Game: Alabama - Oregon
Rose Bowl: OSU - Stanford
Orange Bowl: FSU -  Oklahoma/Texas A&M(?)
Sugar Bowl: Auburn or LSU - Clemson
Fiesta Bowl: Big 12 Champ (Baylor/Ok. State) - Fresno State

The big thing to remember, if Alabama and Oregon go, then Rose Bowl gets OSU and Orange Bowl get FSU automatically, so they won't face each other.  If Alabama and FSU go, then Rose Bowl gets OSU and Oregon automatically.


Yet again, the Orange Bowl ruins everything.
 
2013-11-04 01:46:18 PM
So when the gophers go 10-2, having beaten Penn State, Wisconsin and Mich St, where do we factor in?

...

What?

STOP LAUGHING.
 
2013-11-04 01:49:53 PM

Jim from Saint Paul: So when the gophers go 10-2, having beaten Penn State, Wisconsin and Mich St, where do we factor in?

...

What?

STOP LAUGHING.


You factor into being the sacrificial lamb to Ohio State's slaughter in Indianapolis, then going to the Rose Bowl to meet Oregon.
 
2013-11-04 01:50:59 PM

Jim from Saint Paul: So when the gophers go 10-2, having beaten Penn State, Wisconsin and Mich St, where do we factor in?

...

What?

STOP LAUGHING.


Hint on beating Michigan State: do not run a play that involves a hike to the QB followed by a completely-unconvincing fake handoff followed by the QB running around until he loses five to ten yards.

That play sucks.  Which must be why we kept running it Saturday.
 
2013-11-04 01:51:46 PM
...b-b-b-but Michigan ....

/ Devin for Heisman
 
2013-11-04 01:55:11 PM
FSU has the hardest SoS of any undefeated team by quite a bit right now.  Oregon is the only one of the top 3 teams' FBS opponents don't average a winning record and the Stanford game isn't going to fix that (FSU: 33-24, Alabama: 31-30, Oregon: 26-35).

By the end of the regular season, Clemson and Miami will both likely be ranked higher than Stanford (if Oregon wins that game).  Miami will likely only fall below Stanford after the ACC championship because they will be stuck playing FSU twice.

FSU has only played 2 FBS games against teams with a losing record.  Oregon has played 5 teams with losing records (out of 7 games).  Even with that difference, FSU and Oregon have virtually identical average margins of victory (Oregon averages .7 a game more).  Stanford, which will likely be Oregon's best win, lost to 4-4 Utah.  UCLA has beat a whole one team with a winning record; unranked Nebraska.  Stanford won't be top 10 by the end of the season and UCLA likely won't be top 15.

FSU shouldn't have to pass Oregon because they should be well above them already.

Meanwhile, Alabama has already beat a top 15 team and still has to go through 3 more (LSU, Auburn and most likely Mizzou).  Their ability to run that will prove whether they belong or not.
 
2013-11-04 02:09:26 PM

The_Six_Fingered_Man: Jim from Saint Paul: So when the gophers go 10-2, having beaten Penn State, Wisconsin and Mich St, where do we factor in?

...

What?

STOP LAUGHING.

You factor into being the sacrificial lamb to Ohio State's slaughter in Indianapolis, then going to the Rose Bowl to meet Oregon.


whinybaby.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-11-04 02:14:02 PM
56% of the eligible FBS teams play in bowl games. Isn't that rewarding mediocrity instead of rewarding champions?   All the FBS teams need are 4 cupcake wins and two wins in their conference to become bowl eligible.   

Eliminate the bowl games and computer calculations and go with a REAL playoff/championship.   I mean, if it works for DIII, DII, FCS and the NFL, what is the point of the FBS's convoluted 'Bowl' game system? 

Just two examples:

Missouri has scheduled itself into a bowl game this season by defeating Murray State, Toledo, Indiana and Arkansas State outside the SEC.   All Missouri needed was two league wins against Vanderbilt and Georgia and it is now qualified for a bowl.  Whoopty-doo.

Duke has non-conference wins against N.C. Central, Troy, Memphis and Navy and league wins against Virginia and Virginia Tech.  Ho Hum.

Playing in a bowl game is no longer an accomplishment.
 
2013-11-04 02:16:52 PM

flak attack: FSU has the hardest SoS of any undefeated team by quite a bit right now.  Oregon is the only one of the top 3 teams' FBS opponents don't average a winning record and the Stanford game isn't going to fix that (FSU: 33-24, Alabama: 31-30, Oregon: 26-35).


According to Sagarin, Alabama has a higher SoS than FSU.
 
2013-11-04 02:17:48 PM

flak attack: FSU has the hardest SoS of any undefeated team by quite a bit right now.  Oregon is the only one of the top 3 teams' FBS opponents don't average a winning record and the Stanford game isn't going to fix that (FSU: 33-24, Alabama: 31-30, Oregon: 26-35).

By the end of the regular season, Clemson and Miami will both likely be ranked higher than Stanford (if Oregon wins that game).  Miami will likely only fall below Stanford after the ACC championship because they will be stuck playing FSU twice.

FSU has only played 2 FBS games against teams with a losing record.  Oregon has played 5 teams with losing records (out of 7 games).  Even with that difference, FSU and Oregon have virtually identical average margins of victory (Oregon averages .7 a game more).  Stanford, which will likely be Oregon's best win, lost to 4-4 Utah.  UCLA has beat a whole one team with a winning record; unranked Nebraska.  Stanford won't be top 10 by the end of the season and UCLA likely won't be top 15.

FSU shouldn't have to pass Oregon because they should be well above them already.

Meanwhile, Alabama has already beat a top 15 team and still has to go through 3 more (LSU, Auburn and most likely Mizzou).  Their ability to run that will prove whether they belong or not.



I like that game against Bethune-Cookman. Showed moxie. Meanwhile, Oregon has a real out of conference schedule
 
2013-11-04 02:21:19 PM

bhcompy: flak attack: FSU has the hardest SoS of any undefeated team by quite a bit right now.  Oregon is the only one of the top 3 teams' FBS opponents don't average a winning record and the Stanford game isn't going to fix that (FSU: 33-24, Alabama: 31-30, Oregon: 26-35).

By the end of the regular season, Clemson and Miami will both likely be ranked higher than Stanford (if Oregon wins that game).  Miami will likely only fall below Stanford after the ACC championship because they will be stuck playing FSU twice.

FSU has only played 2 FBS games against teams with a losing record.  Oregon has played 5 teams with losing records (out of 7 games).  Even with that difference, FSU and Oregon have virtually identical average margins of victory (Oregon averages .7 a game more).  Stanford, which will likely be Oregon's best win, lost to 4-4 Utah.  UCLA has beat a whole one team with a winning record; unranked Nebraska.  Stanford won't be top 10 by the end of the season and UCLA likely won't be top 15.

FSU shouldn't have to pass Oregon because they should be well above them already.

Meanwhile, Alabama has already beat a top 15 team and still has to go through 3 more (LSU, Auburn and most likely Mizzou).  Their ability to run that will prove whether they belong or not.


I like that game against Bethune-Cookman. Showed moxie. Meanwhile, Oregon has a real out of conference schedule


Well, Oregon did look impressive with that win over powerhouse Nicholls State.  I don't think Nicholls State, Virginia, and Tennessee is a great non-conference schedule and I don't think it's that much better than Nevada, Bethune-Cookman, Idaho, and Florida.  Really, get rid of the Idaho game and it's about equal.
 
2013-11-04 02:21:49 PM

Bschott007: 56% of the eligible FBS teams play in bowl games. Isn't that rewarding mediocrity instead of rewarding champions?   All the FBS teams need are 4 cupcake wins and two wins in their conference to become bowl eligible.   

Eliminate the bowl games and computer calculations and go with a REAL playoff/championship.   I mean, if it works for DIII, DII, FCS and the NFL, what is the point of the FBS's convoluted 'Bowl' game system? 

Just two examples:

Missouri has scheduled itself into a bowl game this season by defeating Murray State, Toledo, Indiana and Arkansas State outside the SEC.   All Missouri needed was two league wins against Vanderbilt and Georgia and it is now qualified for a bowl.  Whoopty-doo.

Duke has non-conference wins against N.C. Central, Troy, Memphis and Navy and league wins against Virginia and Virginia Tech.  Ho Hum.

Playing in a bowl game is no longer an accomplishment.


It helps if you remember the bowl games are not a "reward" or a sign of any accomplishment - they were designed as advertising schemes and an attempt to make someone money.  They'd have the Tiddlewinks Orange bowl tomorrow if someone thought they could make a buck off of it.  So many hands reached for a slice of the pie ($) that you are left picking from teams that have barely broken .500 (and in some cases havent) - which is why the big boy bowls get their pick of conference teams (read: large booster groups with money who travel well)
 
2013-11-04 02:23:46 PM

llortcM_yllort: flak attack: FSU has the hardest SoS of any undefeated team by quite a bit right now.  Oregon is the only one of the top 3 teams' FBS opponents don't average a winning record and the Stanford game isn't going to fix that (FSU: 33-24, Alabama: 31-30, Oregon: 26-35).

According to Sagarin, Alabama has a higher SoS than FSU.


According to the Sports tab college football regulars, Sagarin should be ignored....or so I am told repeatedly when I mention Sagarin.

Something to do with ranking FCS teams in with the FBS teams.   Some Farkers take offense to FCS teams being ranked above FBS teams.
 
2013-11-04 02:26:16 PM

OSULugan: Devo: I think the BCS games is Oregon and Alabama. I think tOSU gets destroyed by FSU in a lower tier bowl. Baylor plays Stanford/Clemson or somebody.

If they all win out, here's my guess.

NC-Game: Alabama - Oregon
Rose Bowl: OSU - Stanford
Orange Bowl: FSU -  Oklahoma/Texas A&M(?)
Sugar Bowl: Auburn or LSU - Clemson
Fiesta Bowl: Big 12 Champ (Baylor/Ok. State) - Fresno State

The big thing to remember, if Alabama and Oregon go, then Rose Bowl gets OSU and Orange Bowl get FSU automatically, so they won't face each other.  If Alabama and FSU go, then Rose Bowl gets OSU and Oregon automatically.


Can't happen like that; you've got three SEC teams.  There's a max of two, and it'll be the winner of A&M/LSU (if they otherwise go undefeated and assuming Auburn loses to Bama).
 
2013-11-04 02:28:42 PM

Fizpez: Bschott007: 56% of the eligible FBS teams play in bowl games. Isn't that rewarding mediocrity instead of rewarding champions?   All the FBS teams need are 4 cupcake wins and two wins in their conference to become bowl eligible.   

Eliminate the bowl games and computer calculations and go with a REAL playoff/championship.   I mean, if it works for DIII, DII, FCS and the NFL, what is the point of the FBS's convoluted 'Bowl' game system? 

Just two examples:

Missouri has scheduled itself into a bowl game this season by defeating Murray State, Toledo, Indiana and Arkansas State outside the SEC.   All Missouri needed was two league wins against Vanderbilt and Georgia and it is now qualified for a bowl.  Whoopty-doo.

Duke has non-conference wins against N.C. Central, Troy, Memphis and Navy and league wins against Virginia and Virginia Tech.  Ho Hum.

Playing in a bowl game is no longer an accomplishment.

It helps if you remember the bowl games are not a "reward" or a sign of any accomplishment - they were designed as advertising schemes and an attempt to make someone money.  They'd have the Tiddlewinks Orange bowl tomorrow if someone thought they could make a buck off of it.  So many hands reached for a slice of the pie ($) that you are left picking from teams that have barely broken .500 (and in some cases havent) - which is why the big boy bowls get their pick of conference teams (read: large booster groups with money who travel well)


Yeah.  I know.  It just makes me shake my head when farkers get worked up about 'rankings' when really, the 'rankings' mean dick at the end of the season for FBS.  No real/true championship (some convoluted BCS thing) and #2 vs #17 bowl games...

Like I said, if the FCS can have a playoff and championship, it makes no sense that the FBS couldn't do the same thing (just make the Rose Bowl the FBS version of the Superbowl or something)
 
2013-11-04 02:28:45 PM

big sugi: OSULugan: Devo: I think the BCS games is Oregon and Alabama. I think tOSU gets destroyed by FSU in a lower tier bowl. Baylor plays Stanford/Clemson or somebody.

If they all win out, here's my guess.

NC-Game: Alabama - Oregon
Rose Bowl: OSU - Stanford
Orange Bowl: FSU -  Oklahoma/Texas A&M(?)
Sugar Bowl: Auburn or LSU - Clemson
Fiesta Bowl: Big 12 Champ (Baylor/Ok. State) - Fresno State

The big thing to remember, if Alabama and Oregon go, then Rose Bowl gets OSU and Orange Bowl get FSU automatically, so they won't face each other.  If Alabama and FSU go, then Rose Bowl gets OSU and Oregon automatically.

Can't happen like that; you've got three SEC teams.  There's a max of two, and it'll be the winner of A&M/LSU (if they otherwise go undefeated and assuming Auburn loses to Bama).


Or rather, A&M will go if it wins out.  If Bama wins out, and LSU beats A&M, it'll be Auburn.
 
2013-11-04 02:37:49 PM

llortcM_yllort: bhcompy: flak attack: FSU has the hardest SoS of any undefeated team by quite a bit right now.  Oregon is the only one of the top 3 teams' FBS opponents don't average a winning record and the Stanford game isn't going to fix that (FSU: 33-24, Alabama: 31-30, Oregon: 26-35).

By the end of the regular season, Clemson and Miami will both likely be ranked higher than Stanford (if Oregon wins that game).  Miami will likely only fall below Stanford after the ACC championship because they will be stuck playing FSU twice.

FSU has only played 2 FBS games against teams with a losing record.  Oregon has played 5 teams with losing records (out of 7 games).  Even with that difference, FSU and Oregon have virtually identical average margins of victory (Oregon averages .7 a game more).  Stanford, which will likely be Oregon's best win, lost to 4-4 Utah.  UCLA has beat a whole one team with a winning record; unranked Nebraska.  Stanford won't be top 10 by the end of the season and UCLA likely won't be top 15.

FSU shouldn't have to pass Oregon because they should be well above them already.

Meanwhile, Alabama has already beat a top 15 team and still has to go through 3 more (LSU, Auburn and most likely Mizzou).  Their ability to run that will prove whether they belong or not.


I like that game against Bethune-Cookman. Showed moxie. Meanwhile, Oregon has a real out of conference schedule

Well, Oregon did look impressive with that win over powerhouse Nicholls State.  I don't think Nicholls State, Virginia, and Tennessee is a great non-conference schedule and I don't think it's that much better than Nevada, Bethune-Cookman, Idaho, and Florida.  Really, get rid of the Idaho game and it's about equal.


Cal makes up for the Idaho game.  The ACC doesn't have anyone near that bad.  I also specifically excluded the FCS games from my count.  No matter what your FCS opponents record is, it shouldn't bring you up.  If you lose that game, you should pretty much be left out of the rankings for the rest of the season, but it really doesn't matter if a team's FCS win is over a team with 5 wins instead of one with 3 (Bethune-Cookman is 8-1, while Nicholls State is 4-5 with 2 wins coming off DII schools, in case anyone is wondering).
 
2013-11-04 02:47:01 PM

Bschott007: llortcM_yllort: flak attack: FSU has the hardest SoS of any undefeated team by quite a bit right now.  Oregon is the only one of the top 3 teams' FBS opponents don't average a winning record and the Stanford game isn't going to fix that (FSU: 33-24, Alabama: 31-30, Oregon: 26-35).

According to Sagarin, Alabama has a higher SoS than FSU.

According to the Sports tab college football regulars, Sagarin should be ignored....or so I am told repeatedly when I mention Sagarin.

Something to do with ranking FCS teams in with the FBS teams.   Some Farkers take offense to FCS teams being ranked above FBS teams.


BCS uses pure ELO to avoid score driving, which puts FSU ahead of Alabama. (Though, realistically, margin of victory should count up to 14 points or so)

The big problem with the Sagarin method is that it includes wins over FCS teams in considering SoS.  Charleston Southern is 8-1 for the year, but that loss came in their only game against an FBS team, 3-5 Colorado.  They clearly shouldn't do much to increase a team's SoS, but their individual contribution will weigh in as high as a win over another 8-1 team, like Auburn.  The win record of their opponents likely won't be as helpful, but it's a pretty easy win over an 8-1 team.  Thankfully, in this instance, it doesn't matter much because Colorado isn't good enough to make it into the BCS rankings.
 
2013-11-04 03:07:16 PM

llortcM_yllort: At the beginning of the season, I thought FSU was overrated and wouldn't finish in the top 15 by the year's end.  Boy was I wrong.  At this point, if the championship game is anyone but FSU and Alabama, the two best teams aren't playing.


I'm a die-hard Nole and thought the same thing.  This was supposed to be a rebuilding year.

p the boiler: llortcM_yllort: At the beginning of the season, I thought FSU was overrated and wouldn't finish in the top 15 by the year's end.  Boy was I wrong.  At this point, if the championship game is anyone but FSU and Alabama, the two best teams aren't playing.

Because Ohio State (who hasn't lost in 2 years) is just awful - Look I hate OSU as much as anyone, but let's be real here - they are as deserving as the other 2 schools you mentioned


OJFC.  The Big Ten is a joke.  No one wants to see OSU get embarrassed in yet another NC game.  Your conference faces some pretty big handicaps, both demographic and cultural, to becoming a real player in college football again.  The second-best coach in your conference left for farking Arkansas.  Arkansas.  You guys probably have a few more runs in you, but the party's over.  You can't recruit a national contender from the Rust Belt.
 
2013-11-04 03:08:39 PM

big sugi: Can't happen like that; you've got three SEC teams.  There's a max of two, and it'll be the winner of A&M/LSU (if they otherwise go undefeated and assuming Auburn loses to Bama).

Or rather, A&M will go if it wins out.  If Bama wins out, and LSU beats A&M, it'll be Auburn.


You're right, I forgot about the 2 team per conference limit.  Then Oklahoma gets the nod instead of Texas A&M.  Depending on who looks the best against Alabama, is my guess for which SEC team gets in to the Sugar Bowl, with the advantage going to LSU since they'll fill the stadium the easiest.
 
2013-11-04 03:08:44 PM

InfrasonicTom: srhp29: p the boiler: Because Ohio State (who hasn't lost in 2 years) is just awful - Look I hate OSU as much as anyone, but let's be real here - they are as deserving as the other 2 schools you mentioned

Not if Boise St wasn't deseving back when they were going unbeaten annually.  Ohio State hasn't beaten anyone in the Top 15 in the last two seasons (at least I think that is what I read)

just because Miami was ranked high, that doesn't mean they should have been.

that also doesn't mean fsu is bad. you can only play the teams on your schedule. if your conference sucks, so will your schedule.

I think it's reasonable both Oregon and Alabama lose a game, and fsu and Ohio state go unbeaten. then brace yourselves for the SEC of all SEC biatchfests


You totally missed the point of my comment.  I was merely pointing out that tOSU hasn't beaten a really good team in 2 years.  So what if they haven't lost?  Boise used to do that shiat annually and never got credit for it.
 
2013-11-04 03:19:00 PM

FLMountainMan: The second-best coach in your conference left for farking Arkansas.


Mark Dantonio left for Arkansas? WHEN?
 
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