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(Weather Underground)   "Love Canal Still Oozing 35 years later." Probably should get that treated   (wunderground.com) divider line 77
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2013-11-04 02:15:19 PM
FTA: <i>The neighborhood was renamed Black Creek Village. </i>

So they re-sold homes near a known toxic-sludge filled canal and named it "Black Creek Village".
That is some grade-A trolling right there!


I don't care if those houses sold for 2% of their alleged value. You couldn't pay me to live in an area known to have had those kinds of issues.
 
2013-11-04 02:20:50 PM
 Looks like the necktie scene will have to be written again...Maybe this time with the necktie.


/obscure?
 
2013-11-04 02:22:06 PM

Gilligann: four-bedroom home purchased a decade ago for $39,900

If I bought a house for $39,000 I would be surprised if there wasn't any toxic waste around


I'd sue if there wasn't.
 
2013-11-04 02:40:25 PM
I remember reading about this; my favorite part was how the company who sold the land to the school board explicitly stated on the sale papers (after repeatedly telling them NO and that they didn't want to sell the land because they knew about the pollution; the city threatened to use Eminent Domain to take the land if they didn't sell) that they told the city 1) about the pollution, 2) they cannot be held responsible because they repeatedly warned the city about the ground contamination), and 3) we're charging $1 because you know there is a lot of bad stuff in the land.

And, of course, they built a school on top of it. And then they sued the company who sold them the land.

/the stupid...
 
2013-11-04 02:44:44 PM

Skr: "the four-bedroom home purchased a decade ago for $39,900."

That falls firmly into too good to be true territory.


Not so much. Niagara Falls, NY is such a craphole that real estate prices are rock bottom, even in the nicest parts of town. Looking quickly at Zillow, I see maybe a handful of properties that even crack the $200K mark, and the vast majority of houses offered are below $100K. And some of these are good-sized homes in fairly nice areas, with pretty impressive views over the Niagara gorge, big yards, etc.

Love Canal -- sorry, "Black Creek" -- is in the eastern end of NF, which was working-class and low-income for years, even before the whole LC debacle. Even today, you'd be hard pressed to find a home valued at over $100K there, even if it's not anywhere near the contamination zone. Just across the road from LC is the Summit Park Mall, one of the most depressing places I've ever had the pleasure of visiting.
 
2013-11-04 02:52:49 PM

Anastacya: I remember reading about this; my favorite part was how the company who sold the land to the school board explicitly stated on the sale papers (after repeatedly telling them NO and that they didn't want to sell the land because they knew about the pollution; the city threatened to use Eminent Domain to take the land if they didn't sell) that they told the city 1) about the pollution, 2) they cannot be held responsible because they repeatedly warned the city about the ground contamination), and 3) we're charging $1 because you know there is a lot of bad stuff in the land.

And, of course, they built a school on top of it. And then they sued the company who sold them the land.

/the stupid...


I read a long expose about the whole story too.  I was interested initially because there was a Superfund site in the town where I grew up.  I'm all for environmental protection, but the Love Canal story is really about gross negligance and incompentance, and trying to make up for it by suing whomever is connected with the deepest pockets.

Also the lady who wrote this article was pretty lazy as she couldn't be bothered to get the back story even remotely correct.
 
2013-11-04 03:00:54 PM
Appeal to Reason: 25 Years In These Times

It's the old story: privatize the profits and socialize the costs. Back in the spring of 1978, residents of the working-class community of Love Canal, New York...
 
2013-11-04 03:03:06 PM

ikanreed: But trust the anti-regulation crowd now.  There's no way any environmental problem could get out of our control.


But it's not like regulations weren't followed by Hooker, or that there weren't any.  Hooker had permission to dump there from the city.  Both the city and the army actually used it as a dump as well.  It was lined with clay and it was capped with clay after it was full.  It wasn't until the clay barrier was breeched by several municipal projects (after the land was forced out of Hooker's hands by threat of eminant domain) that the dump began to create the environmental disaster that eventually unfolded.  They actually took some of the clay cap to use as fill, they built a school on top of it and built a highway through it.  It was idiocy at a high level by the city.  The whole thing was a huge mess.
 
2013-11-04 03:19:48 PM

Doubletwist-: FTA: <i>The neighborhood was renamed Black Creek Village. </i>

So they re-sold homes near a known toxic-sludge filled canal and named it "Black Creek Village".
That is some grade-A trolling right there!


I don't care if those houses sold for 2% of their alleged value. You couldn't pay me to live in an area known to have had those kinds of issues.


It's traditional in the real estate grifting game to rename areas for the physical feature or place that was destroyed or existed before the housing development was constructed.
So yeah, that works.
 
2013-11-04 03:28:44 PM
"Love Canal Is Still Oozing" is the name of my Go-Gos cover band.
 
2013-11-04 03:39:59 PM
Huh.. haven't thought of that place in a looooong time, not since I did a report on it for high school.
 
2013-11-04 03:54:12 PM
Just wait until Harry and Ramona move in next door.
 
2013-11-04 04:01:36 PM

AngryDragon: Who are the idiots who bought homes here?  This was a well-known catastrophe.  Perhaps we can relocate them to Centralia, PA?  Chernobyl?  Fukushima?


I've got some fantastic vacation properties near the Salton Sea and Bhopal for sale!
 
2013-11-04 04:11:16 PM
Yikes. Just look at what it did to her knees.

I'm sure they weren't that sharp before they moved into the toxic waste dump or else that guy would have never married her.

Sad.
 
2013-11-04 04:36:17 PM
the first Love Canal I'd heard of...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWhLm7FnjX0
 
2013-11-04 04:50:14 PM

Tyrosine: HotIgneous Intruder: Tyrosine: AngryDragon: Who are the idiots who bought homes here?  This was a well-known catastrophe.  Perhaps we can relocate them to Centralia, PA?  Chernobyl?  Fukushima?

I see your point, but there's the small matter of everyone claiming that the site had been cleaned up (it was in fact a superfund site). Occidential Petroleum and the state government both signed off on the site and said it was clean.

You seriously think that the home purchase contract didn't mention a word about this, erm, issue?

In most places real estate transactions require complete disclosure and I'm assuming the vendor (Occidental Petroleum) disclosed the history, and even if they didn't Love Canal is a fairly well known story. Still, Occidental did assure purchasers that complete remediation had taken place (I believe the remediation was a condition of permitting the homes to be sold in the first place - these homes were some of the ones abandoned in the late 70's).

This is the sames as any brownfield development (just on a much larger scale): If you conduct site remediation and guarantee it to be free of known hazards you are liable if it's not. Assuming there is lingering chemical contamination (and the article presented no proof of such other than anecdotes) and that such contamination comes from the Love Canal (I suppose it's possible there are additional dump sites in the area unrelated to Hooker Chemical's disposal in the 40's), Occidental could be held liable.


If the wiki entry is correct, it looks like the school board is the negligent one in not disclosing the danger to home builders, construction crews, residents, etc.  Occidental did not want to sell the property, and included wording in the sale documentation that there were hazardous chemicals in the ground.
 
2013-11-04 04:54:23 PM
Oozing from Love Canal sourced to Hooker dump.
 
2013-11-04 05:05:59 PM
George: Because it's a downer, that's why.  Because nobody wants to produce a play about a couple that moved back to Love Canal.

Michael: But that actually happened!

GeorgeWho gives a shiat? Nobody wants to pay twenty dollars to watch people living next to chemical waste! They can see that in New Jersey!

cinemafanatic.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-11-04 05:55:55 PM
AKA Subby's Mom
 
2013-11-04 06:38:24 PM

FloydA: Kurt Cobain got out just in time.


Thread over
 
2013-11-04 06:41:41 PM
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2013-11-04 06:49:20 PM
So you're saying I should probably hold off on that Hanford property too?


Have people not figured out that you cannot trust what anyone says when money is involved? There's beachfront property that's perfectly safe in Fukushima Prefecture too I hear.
 
2013-11-04 07:21:22 PM
Real estate based on lies and deception? No way. It's an investment!
 
2013-11-04 07:57:36 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: Real estate based on lies and deception? No way. It's an investment!


NOW is the best time to buy a home!
 
nbt
2013-11-04 11:25:57 PM
I visited Love Canal about 25 years ago and if you don't dig it all up and incinerate it then just fence it off.   I saw maps of Niagara Falls, NY and if you took a backhoe and randomly dug anywhere in the city you would have a 50% chance of hitting a buried drum.  The 102nd St. Dump is just a couple of blocks away, and that's just the nearest and most notorious  dump.  The groundwater seeping into the Niagara gorge didn't smell so great, either.

Really, I suggest another city.
 
2013-11-05 12:27:38 AM
FTFA: His wife, Teresa, said she's had two miscarriages and numerous unexplained cysts.

"We knew it was Love Canal, that chemicals were here," she said. But when she bought the house, she said she was swayed by assurances that the waste was contained and the area was safe.

Six families have sued over the past several months. Lawyers familiar with the case say notice has been given that an additional 1,100 claims could be coming.

The lawsuits, which don't specify damages sought, contend Love Canal was never properly remediated and dangerous toxins continue to leach onto residents' properties.



Okay... I'm sorry, but how naive can you be? Any place that requires "monitoring" of a "containment system" and oversight by a federal agency isn't going to be safe, let alone contained.
 
2013-11-05 09:01:20 AM
I remember taking my gf at the time down to River North in Chicago for a nice romantic lunch. Awwwwwwwww, nothing accents a nice meal quite like watching soda cans, syringes and diapers floating down the green-brown-pukish hues of the Chicago River.
 
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