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(Mother Jones)   No cause for panic just yet but the dengue and yellow fever could be coming to a city near you. Enjoy the sweat while waiting for the blood-sucking nightmare   (motherjones.com) divider line 30
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2013-11-04 11:49:40 AM
My dad just came back from Mexico with Dengue Fever. Was pretty scary seeing him in convulsions then going into shock as the ambulance arrived. Fever was gone four days later but the recovery is supposed to be at least another three weeks.
 
2013-11-04 11:51:44 AM

TheHappyCanadian: My dad just came back from Mexico with Dengue Fever. Was pretty scary seeing him in convulsions then going into shock as the ambulance arrived. Fever was gone four days later but the recovery is supposed to be at least another three weeks.


Yikes. Glad he's ok.

My dad came back from Mexico with a knock-off sombrero and Montezuma's revenge.
 
2013-11-04 11:56:23 AM
There is this thing called vaccination. You will love it.


But, bring 'em on. They will be a welcome change in Minnesota from the flat footed turkey rapists we already have.

tee hee, tree crotch skeeter
 
2013-11-04 11:59:04 AM
Meh, I'm still waiting for porcine epidemic diarrhea virus to jump to humans it's gonna be a blast!
 
2013-11-04 11:59:50 AM

TheHappyCanadian: My dad just came back from Mexico with Dengue Fever. Was pretty scary seeing him in convulsions then going into shock as the ambulance arrived. Fever was gone four days later but the recovery is supposed to be at least another three weeks.


eek.  Glad he's recovering.

That said, even if the economy f--king sucks and the politics are divisive, Michigan is pretty high on the list of "places to live where nature *won't* kill you".  No direct hurricanes, maybe a tornado here and there but we have basements, no earthquakes, lots of fresh water, no creepy crawly things to kill you I can think of, only one poisonous snake, and unless global warming picks up an incredible amount of speed we're safe from dengue/yellow fever for awhile too.

I guess there's always a risk of hitting a deer with your car, though.
 
2013-11-04 12:00:45 PM

snocone: flat footed turkey rapists


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2013-11-04 12:01:20 PM

snocone: There is this thing called vaccination. You will love it.


But, bring 'em on. They will be a welcome change in Minnesota from the flat footed turkey rapists we already have.

tee hee, tree crotch skeeter


Dengue doesn't have an effective vaccine.

The problem with Dengue is that it has four different serotypes.  Successive infections with different serotypes actually make the disease worse.  To be effective a vaccine has to hit all four targets.  To date we can generally get two of the four with each try.

Go ahead and get your YF vaccine though.  Not an unpleasant vaccine if I do say so myself.  SIngle-shot, not really painful.
 
2013-11-04 12:08:21 PM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: TheHappyCanadian: My dad just came back from Mexico with Dengue Fever. Was pretty scary seeing him in convulsions then going into shock as the ambulance arrived. Fever was gone four days later but the recovery is supposed to be at least another three weeks.

eek.  Glad he's recovering.

That said, even if the economy f--king sucks and the politics are divisive, Michigan is pretty high on the list of "places to live where nature *won't* kill you".  No direct hurricanes, maybe a tornado here and there but we have basements, no earthquakes, lots of fresh water, no creepy crawly things to kill you I can think of, only one poisonous snake, and unless global warming picks up an incredible amount of speed we're safe from dengue/yellow fever for awhile too.

I guess there's always a risk of hitting a deer with your car, though.


Or, if you live in Detroit, being mauled by wild dogs or shot by criminals.
 
2013-11-04 12:16:14 PM

Wicked Chinchilla: snocone: There is this thing called vaccination. You will love it.


But, bring 'em on. They will be a welcome change in Minnesota from the flat footed turkey rapists we already have.

tee hee, tree crotch skeeter

Dengue doesn't have an effective vaccine.

The problem with Dengue is that it has four different serotypes.  Successive infections with different serotypes actually make the disease worse.  To be effective a vaccine has to hit all four targets.  To date we can generally get two of the four with each try.

Go ahead and get your YF vaccine though.  Not an unpleasant vaccine if I do say so myself.  SIngle-shot, not really painful.



CSB,
Once upon a time, every swinging johnson exiting RVN had to have their WHO Shot Record up to date. "single shot, not really painful" did not apply. For a brief and glorious time, I was in possession of the WHO stamp for I Corps. And the fridge full of vaccines. Many a sorry soul(Aussie, Korean, Brit, et.al.) had not entrusted their records to a safe repository entering country.
And this one time, at camp, I worked on mosquito control for Da Nang Harbor. We had some very impressive body counts in that action. AMA
 
2013-11-04 12:17:08 PM
 
2013-11-04 12:17:19 PM

neversubmit: Meh, I'm still waiting for porcine epidemic diarrhea virus to jump to humans it's gonna be a blast!


A virus transmitted from bacon? Are you shiatting me?
 
2013-11-04 12:19:49 PM
Is yellow fever anything like jungle fever but it's love for the Asian ladies instead of the African ladies? If yes, please post some yellow fever pics.
 
2013-11-04 12:21:07 PM

Prof. Frink: neversubmit: Meh, I'm still waiting for porcine epidemic diarrhea virus to jump to humans it's gonna be a blast!

A virus transmitted from bacon? Are you shiatting me?


not yet
 
2013-11-04 12:22:47 PM
Use DDT.
 
2013-11-04 12:24:38 PM

Lerxst2k: Use DDT.



The little bastards get resistant before you can get loved long time.
 
2013-11-04 12:41:23 PM

Lerxst2k: Use DDT.


There's evidence that they've gotten resistant to it due to people going "USE DDT!" in, you know, developing countries, and farkING UP USING DDT. ("oh, most of the mosquitoes are gone. Guess we can stop spending money on this now!"
 
2013-11-04 12:44:23 PM
We had dozens of cases of dengue here in the Florida Keys about three years ago, but none since but that particular mosquito is still around. Our mosquito control district wants to genetically alter a batch and then release them, the idea being that somehow when they mate with the wild population, it would make the wild population sterile or something, thereby not allowing any more to breed.
 
2013-11-04 01:00:18 PM
As the article notes, Yellow Fever aka Yellow Jack was found as far North as New York in the US before the invention of a vaccine in 1936 and it was one of many things that made the South virtually uninhabitable much of the time (that and the lack of AC). It was one of the most feared diseases as it was not only epidemic and a killer but very nasty--the article mentions stomach bleeding and black vomit, but the fever was even worse than that symptom if you catch my drift.

Dengue Fever is extremely nasty as well. My sympathy to TheHappyCanadian's Father.

The article mentions climate change, namely temperature, humidity, etc., but part of the increase in the diseases' range is due to increased drug resistance and resistance of the mosquito to pesticides that traditionally held them at bay. Let's not get into the conservative claims that DDT was a miracle--it was one of the first chemicals the mosquitos acquired immunity to, starting when it was sprayed widely during WWII. It would be useless today and in the places where it is stilled used indoors, increasingly is.

Evolution kills miracles every day through natural selection and thus adaptation to the environment, including pesticides.

These are the kind of things that make me glad to be Canadian. Our winters are useful for many things, and although I don't engage in Winter sports, I do appreciate Winter's ability to keep the mosquitoes down at least eight months of the year. It would be a damn shame to lose that. While the spruce budworm and the new invaders such as the emerald ash borer eat our forests, the blood-suckers would eat us.

As Bowser and Blue used to sing,

Keep them over there, Lord /
Keep them over there /
Famine and diseases /
Keep them over there.

This is based on an old war time hymn praying for the boys over seas, but it is apt in all conditions.
 
2013-11-04 01:28:36 PM
A dengue ate my baby?
 
2013-11-04 01:41:00 PM

Richard C Stanford: StreetlightInTheGhetto: TheHappyCanadian: My dad just came back from Mexico with Dengue Fever. Was pretty scary seeing him in convulsions then going into shock as the ambulance arrived. Fever was gone four days later but the recovery is supposed to be at least another three weeks.

eek.  Glad he's recovering.

That said, even if the economy f--king sucks and the politics are divisive, Michigan is pretty high on the list of "places to live where nature *won't* kill you".  No direct hurricanes, maybe a tornado here and there but we have basements, no earthquakes, lots of fresh water, no creepy crawly things to kill you I can think of, only one poisonous snake, and unless global warming picks up an incredible amount of speed we're safe from dengue/yellow fever for awhile too.

I guess there's always a risk of hitting a deer with your car, though.

Or, if you live in Detroit, being mauled by wild dogs or shot by criminals.


You have a low risk of being shot if you aren't doing something stupid.  Also Michigan != Detroit.
 
2013-11-04 01:51:27 PM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Richard C Stanford: StreetlightInTheGhetto: TheHappyCanadian: My dad just came back from Mexico with Dengue Fever. Was pretty scary seeing him in convulsions then going into shock as the ambulance arrived. Fever was gone four days later but the recovery is supposed to be at least another three weeks.

eek.  Glad he's recovering.

That said, even if the economy f--king sucks and the politics are divisive, Michigan is pretty high on the list of "places to live where nature *won't* kill you".  No direct hurricanes, maybe a tornado here and there but we have basements, no earthquakes, lots of fresh water, no creepy crawly things to kill you I can think of, only one poisonous snake, and unless global warming picks up an incredible amount of speed we're safe from dengue/yellow fever for awhile too.

I guess there's always a risk of hitting a deer with your car, though.

Or, if you live in Detroit, being mauled by wild dogs or shot by criminals.

You have a low risk of being shot if you aren't doing something stupid.  Also Michigan != Detroit.


This.  There's a reason why there's NO mass transit in Detroit (Note: A bus that takes 2 hours to go 4 miles because there's a 90 minute wait for a transfer doesn't count).  It's because it works both ways and this way they can keep the ghetto in the ghetto.
 
2013-11-04 02:42:12 PM

miss diminutive: TheHappyCanadian: My dad just came back from Mexico with Dengue Fever. Was pretty scary seeing him in convulsions then going into shock as the ambulance arrived. Fever was gone four days later but the recovery is supposed to be at least another three weeks.

Yikes. Glad he's ok.

My dad came back from Mexico with a knock-off sombrero and Montezuma's revenge.


No tattoo of a Mexican cutie? I hear it's a real beauty.
 
2013-11-04 02:55:13 PM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: TheHappyCanadian: My dad just came back from Mexico with Dengue Fever. Was pretty scary seeing him in convulsions then going into shock as the ambulance arrived. Fever was gone four days later but the recovery is supposed to be at least another three weeks.

eek.  Glad he's recovering.

That said, even if the economy f--king sucks and the politics are divisive, Michigan is pretty high on the list of "places to live where nature *won't* kill you".  No direct hurricanes, maybe a tornado here and there but we have basements, no earthquakes, lots of fresh water, no creepy crawly things to kill you I can think of, only one poisonous snake, and unless global warming picks up an incredible amount of speed we're safe from dengue/yellow fever for awhile too.

I guess there's always a risk of hitting a deer with your car, though.


Lyme disease is becoming an issue.
 
2013-11-04 03:17:50 PM
Thanks for all the well-wishers, my dad's recovering slowly. From what I gather, since he's diabetic he sweats a lot of sugar, which makes you a lightning rod for mosquitos. Also, when his blood pressure dropped his blood sugar spiked to 34, which complicated his fever. Treatment at the hospital was mainly intravenous fluids and gatorade as soon as he was able to keep soup down
 
2013-11-04 04:29:43 PM
www.aintnotruthlikeit.com
 
2013-11-04 04:59:57 PM

dababler: StreetlightInTheGhetto: TheHappyCanadian: My dad just came back from Mexico with Dengue Fever. Was pretty scary seeing him in convulsions then going into shock as the ambulance arrived. Fever was gone four days later but the recovery is supposed to be at least another three weeks.

eek.  Glad he's recovering.

That said, even if the economy f--king sucks and the politics are divisive, Michigan is pretty high on the list of "places to live where nature *won't* kill you".  No direct hurricanes, maybe a tornado here and there but we have basements, no earthquakes, lots of fresh water, no creepy crawly things to kill you I can think of, only one poisonous snake, and unless global warming picks up an incredible amount of speed we're safe from dengue/yellow fever for awhile too.

I guess there's always a risk of hitting a deer with your car, though.

Lyme disease is becoming an issue.


Oh, f--k, you're right.  Bah.

Well... if that's the worst of it, eh.

We live next to a creek and keep our grass taller, especially in the somewhat large backyard, to keep it healthier.  Saw my first tick this year.  Ugh.
 
2013-11-04 06:45:35 PM

TheHappyCanadian: Thanks for all the well-wishers, my dad's recovering slowly. From what I gather, since he's diabetic he sweats a lot of sugar, which makes you a lightning rod for mosquitos. Also, when his blood pressure dropped his blood sugar spiked to 34, which complicated his fever. Treatment at the hospital was mainly intravenous fluids and gatorade as soon as he was able to keep soup down


And for those wondering "How is 34 a HIGH"--he's talking Non-US Units Of Blood Glucose Measurement.  Yes, this is another area where the US has its own thing (US measures in mg/dL, everywhere else measures in mmol/dL).

In American measures of blood glucose measurement, his dad had a blood glucose of 612 mg/dL (YIKES--that's about the level my grandma would hit in spikes as what was referred to as a "brittle adult-onset type 1 diabetic" in the 70s and 80s and what would be referred to now as "Likely Type 1.5 autoimmune diabetes" nowadays)...to put this in not-familiar-with-the-beetus terms, usually one is considered to have The Beetus of some form if your fasting blood glucose is over 140 mg/dL (US) or 8 mmol/dL (non-US); usually the doctors say "spend a few days in hospital to get the blood glucose down to a low roar" around 300 mg/dL (US) or 17 mmol/dL (non-US).

/no, this is not the worst I've heard of--I've heard of folks with severe type 1.5 or "discovery upon car wreck" type 1 who literally pegged out the usual non-professional meters on their diagnosis
//that said, 600+ mg/dL is still awful farking high
///best wishes for your dad's recovery--dengue is nothing to sneeze at, especially as there is no jab for it
 
2013-11-04 06:49:46 PM

Great Porn Dragon: "discovery upon car wreck" type 1


Purely out of curiosity, what is this?
 
2013-11-04 08:05:05 PM

meyerkev: Great Porn Dragon: "discovery upon car wreck" type 1

Purely out of curiosity, what is this?


blood sugar pegs so high that they go into a coma while driving
 
2013-11-04 08:31:50 PM
I had dengue while living in Southern Mexico.
It sucked. I was too weak to do anything for a bit over a week.
I was lucky, had a friend, a hooker with a heart of gold who came by several times a day to take care of me.
Anecdotally, I hear the second time you get it, if it don't kill you, you're effectively immune. I don't know the veracity of that though, nor am I inclined to test it.
 
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