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(Guardian)   Take two waterboardings and call me when he cracks   (theguardian.com) divider line 14
    More: Sick, CIA, Open Society Institute, physician-patient privileges, intelligence gathering, operant conditions, torture  
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2013-11-04 09:15:51 AM  
5 votes:
Every doctor who took part in this should have his or her medical license stripped immediately and be barred from any future practice of medicine.
2013-11-04 06:47:36 PM  
3 votes:
Torture is barbaric and wrong, and there is no justifying it, despite the strongest wishes of republicans. End of discussion.
2013-11-04 09:07:18 PM  
2 votes:

m00: Trading Oak Trees: Torture is barbaric and wrong, and there is no justifying it, despite the strongest wishes of republicans. End of discussion.

Oh, I hadn't read that Obama closed gitmo. I guess I missed that news.


Probably because the House refused to fund the transfer of detainees
2013-11-04 08:56:17 PM  
2 votes:

JesusJuice: Trading Oak Trees: Torture is barbaric and wrong, and there is no justifying it, despite the strongest wishes of republicans. End of discussion.

Why? Because you say so?

Fight fire with fire, and barbarians with barbarism.


OK, then howabout "Torture is useless and a waste of time; it obtains no useful information and merely ensures the equally barbaric treatment of our own prisoners."

If moral wrongness gains no traction with you, then what about inefficiency and danger of repercussions?
2013-11-04 05:37:25 PM  
2 votes:

Rincewind53: Every doctor who took part in this should have his or her medical license stripped immediately and be barred from any future practice of medicine.


How about then drop them off at the Hague for trial on crimes against humanity? "Just following orders ain't an excuse."
2013-11-04 04:54:48 PM  
2 votes:
"The report lays blame primarily on the defence department (DoD) and the CIA, which required their healthcare staff to put aside any scruples in the interests of intelligence gathering and security practices that caused severe harm to detainees, from waterboarding to sleep deprivation and force-feeding."

Bullshiat. "Just following orders" didn't absolve the Nuremberg defendants and it doesn't absolve this lot.
2013-11-04 03:19:04 PM  
2 votes:
not wanting to Godwin thread, but... Mengele?
2013-11-05 12:09:23 AM  
1 votes:

m00: Gyrfalcon: Gitmo has nothing to do with it, jackhole. It wasn't Obama who ordered the torture memos drafted, and it wasn't Obama's stooges who wrote them. And despite Guantanamo being open, the enhanced interrogation there has been stopped.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2486998/CIA-ordered-US-milit ar y-doctors-design-new-torture-methods-use-Guantanamo-Bay.html

The Taskforce on Preserving Medical Professionalism in National Security Detention Centers found that, in the decade after 9/11, US military physicians, psychiatrists and psychologists allowed 'cruel, inhumane and degrading treatment' of prisoners while acting at the direction of military leaders under both President George W. Bush and President Barack Obama.


Vague accusations are vague.
My contention is that the CIA is practically a rogue organization who answers only in lip service to the President, and you know damn well Bush approved of it.

Regarding Obama: what was specifically authorized by the current administration, what percentage, what quantity, what justifications were given?

Merely painting the same face on both administrations is a bit disingenuous.
2013-11-04 07:11:09 PM  
1 votes:

JesusJuice: Trading Oak Trees: Torture is barbaric and wrong, and there is no justifying it, despite the strongest wishes of republicans. End of discussion.

Why? Because you say so?

Fight fire with fire, and barbarians with barbarism.


Why is torture wrong? Let's see, just going off the top of my head...
 - It justifies them doing the same thing back, and worse.

- Its inhumane.
- It doesn't result in any positive results
- It puts us on the same level as the people we are trying to stop
- It puts a black mark on our nation as a whole
- An eye for an eye leaves the world blind.
- If it was actually beneficial it would be used by our own police and FBI

Sorry, but there are no positive affects of torture. The only people in favor of it just like to see people get tortured for the sake of torturing them.

2013-11-04 06:35:33 PM  
1 votes:
How is it that I've known about this for at least five years now? This isn't news. It first came out when the torture memos surfaced. It's appalling and shocking, but it shouldn't be news. Where do people keep themselves?
2013-11-04 03:36:23 PM  
1 votes:
FTA:   "Medical professionals were in effect told that their ethical mantra "first do no harm" did not apply, because they were not treating people who were ill."

Does this mean the next time I get a tetanus shot, my doc can use a dirty needle since I'm not sick yet?
2013-11-04 03:23:36 PM  
1 votes:
It should be obvious by now that the creation of the CIA after WWII by America's Hardliners™ is one of the worst moves and we are massively paying for it as a country and a society.

It is totally antithetical to the very nature of what this country was said to be founded on.
2013-11-04 03:11:47 PM  
1 votes:
Looks like Bush/Obama won't be getting their third terms.

/ that's how you dismiss an accusation like this, right?
2013-11-04 01:50:03 PM  
1 votes:

Rincewind53: Every doctor who took part in this should have his or her medical license stripped immediately and be barred from any future practice of medicine.


I agree, with one stipulation: they are free to practice medicine, but their only patient must be Dick Cheney.
 
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