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(ESPN)   As it turns out, Gary Kubiak wasn't the only thing on the Houston Texans sideline that collapsed after halftime   (scores.espn.go.com) divider line 69
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2013-11-04 08:17:06 AM
Meanwhile, Bucs fans are praying to God, Vishnu, Odin, Jobu, The Great Maker, and Garl Glittergold that the "coach rushed to hospital" trifecta is in play.
 
2013-11-04 08:40:57 AM
The Little QB that Could....but didn't.
 
2013-11-04 08:47:28 AM
TY Hilton, fantasy football hall of fame
 
2013-11-04 08:52:08 AM
Can't hang this one on Keenum.  Randy Bullock needs to be out of a job today.  Those 3 misses cost the Texans the game.  The Andre Johnson catch overrule was also unusual.  The guy caught it, brought it to the ground, rolled out of bounds and then the defender knocked it out of his arms a yard out of bounds.  How is that not a catch?  Must have been tough for the players to focus in the 2nd half too not knowing what happened to their coach and offensive play-caller.  Just a bizarre end to a game that exemplifies the season for the Texans.
 
2013-11-04 08:54:13 AM
Been a tough season for Houston fans. SchaubPick-6, Bud (a few still care), Bum, Kubiak.
 
2013-11-04 09:04:56 AM

revman64: Can't hang this one on Keenum.  Randy Bullock needs to be out of a job today.  Those 3 misses cost the Texans the game.  The Andre Johnson catch overrule was also unusual.  The guy caught it, brought it to the ground, rolled out of bounds and then the defender knocked it out of his arms a yard out of bounds.  How is that not a catch?  Must have been tough for the players to focus in the 2nd half too not knowing what happened to their coach and offensive play-caller.  Just a bizarre end to a game that exemplifies the season for the Texans.


It's the NFL's stupid farking rule. Not much else to it. The Bills got hosed on a similar play earlier, except it was in the middle of the field not near the sideline.

Anyway the refs were pretty bad yesterday. There was no way they could legitimately overturn that KR fumble either
 
2013-11-04 09:06:23 AM

revman64: The Andre Johnson catch overrule was also unusual.  The guy caught it, brought it to the ground, rolled out of bounds and then the defender knocked it out of his arms a yard out of bounds.  How is that not a catch?  Must have been tough for the players to focus in the 2nd half too not knowing what happened to their coach and offensive play-caller.  Just a bizarre end to a game that exemplifies the season for the Texans.


Make up call for the overturned fumble.
 
2013-11-04 09:08:25 AM
So two guys were responsible for all 6 TD's? Ridiculous.
 
2013-11-04 09:19:06 AM

ToddMU03: revman64: The Andre Johnson catch overrule was also unusual.  The guy caught it, brought it to the ground, rolled out of bounds and then the defender knocked it out of his arms a yard out of bounds.  How is that not a catch?  Must have been tough for the players to focus in the 2nd half too not knowing what happened to their coach and offensive play-caller.  Just a bizarre end to a game that exemplifies the season for the Texans.

Make up call for the overturned fumble.


And the non-call on roughing the kicker...

That being said, Houston fans, I think you guys have found yourself a damn fine QB in Keenum.   He showed poise and talent WAY beyond a 2 game starter.  The guy is a friggen mobile rocket launcher and he showed pretty outstanding judgement for most of the game.  Don't give up yet.
 
2013-11-04 09:22:43 AM

ToddMU03: revman64: The Andre Johnson catch overrule was also unusual.  The guy caught it, brought it to the ground, rolled out of bounds and then the defender knocked it out of his arms a yard out of bounds.  How is that not a catch?  Must have been tough for the players to focus in the 2nd half too not knowing what happened to their coach and offensive play-caller.  Just a bizarre end to a game that exemplifies the season for the Texans.

Make up call for the overturned fumble.


Not sure about why they said it touched a foot on that KR play but on the replay it looked like the player had one hand on the ball (one finger really) while the other hand was touching out of bounds.  If I were an Indy fan the better argument for a WTF moment was the roughing the punter that wasn't called.  They should have challenged that one.
 
2013-11-04 09:33:06 AM

Prevailing Wind: ToddMU03: revman64: The Andre Johnson catch overrule was also unusual.  The guy caught it, brought it to the ground, rolled out of bounds and then the defender knocked it out of his arms a yard out of bounds.  How is that not a catch?  Must have been tough for the players to focus in the 2nd half too not knowing what happened to their coach and offensive play-caller.  Just a bizarre end to a game that exemplifies the season for the Texans.

Make up call for the overturned fumble.

And the non-call on roughing the kicker...

That being said, Houston fans, I think you guys have found yourself a damn fine QB in Keenum.   He showed poise and talent WAY beyond a 2 game starter.  The guy is a friggen mobile rocket launcher and he showed pretty outstanding judgement for most of the game.  Don't give up yet.


Erm outstanding judgment? I saw him launch a lot of throws yesterday without even looking at where he was throwing it, and I also saw him underthrow a bunch of long balls too. The long EZ throw to Johnson should have been an easy pick for Davis, and the 4th quarter pass to Hopkins should have been an easy knock or pick as well. Vaughn decided to play defense by not even looking at the ball, which is actually pretty standard for him. Keenum definitely looked mobile and kept the chains moving, but he looked "great" because the Colts apparently figured that the staple bootleg and playaction plays of the Texans didn't need to be prepped for. He didn't look nearly as good in the 2nd half, where the Colts actually looked like they made adjustments on defense AND offense for once. Kubiak going down definitely didn't help Keenum or the Texans, but the Colts actually looking like they should expect those staples and actually covering AJ had more to do with the turnaround in the 2nd half, in my eyes at least.
 
2013-11-04 09:34:11 AM
revman64:
ToddMU03: revman64: The Andre Johnson catch overrule was also unusual.  The guy caught it, brought it to the ground, rolled out of bounds and then the defender knocked it out of his arms a yard out of bounds.  How is that not a catch?  Must have been tough for the players to focus in the 2nd half too not knowing what happened to their coach and offensive play-caller.  Just a bizarre end to a game that exemplifies the season for the Texans.

Make up call for the overturned fumble.

Not sure about why they said it touched a foot on that KR play but on the replay it looked like the player had one hand on the ball (one finger really) while the other hand was touching out of bounds.  If I were an Indy fan the better argument for a WTF moment was the roughing the punter that wasn't called.  They should have challenged that one.


Well, I don't think it fit the criteria for indisputable to overturn it.

Yeah, that roughing the kicker was a bad one.
 
2013-11-04 09:41:23 AM

ToddMU03: revman64:
ToddMU03: revman64: The Andre Johnson catch overrule was also unusual.  The guy caught it, brought it to the ground, rolled out of bounds and then the defender knocked it out of his arms a yard out of bounds.  How is that not a catch?  Must have been tough for the players to focus in the 2nd half too not knowing what happened to their coach and offensive play-caller.  Just a bizarre end to a game that exemplifies the season for the Texans.

Make up call for the overturned fumble.

Not sure about why they said it touched a foot on that KR play but on the replay it looked like the player had one hand on the ball (one finger really) while the other hand was touching out of bounds.  If I were an Indy fan the better argument for a WTF moment was the roughing the punter that wasn't called.  They should have challenged that one.

Well, I don't think it fit the criteria for indisputable to overturn it.

Yeah, that roughing the kicker was a bad one.


THIS.  How the hell was that not called?!

/Lions and Niners fan
//Had to watch something
 
2013-11-04 09:42:48 AM

UNC_Samurai: Meanwhile, Bucs fans are praying to God, Vishnu, Odin, Jobu, The Great Maker, and Garl Glittergold that the "coach rushed to hospital" trifecta is in play.


http://www.sbnation.com/2013/10/23/4862062/greg-schiano-breaking-mad de n
 
2013-11-04 09:50:31 AM
redmid17:

Erm outstanding judgment? I saw him launch a lot of throws yesterday without even looking at where he was throwing it, and I also saw him underthrow a bunch of long balls too. The long EZ throw to Johnson should have been an easy pick for Davis, and the 4th quarter pass to Hopkins should have been an easy knock or pick as well. Vaughn decided to play defense by not even looking at the ball, which is actually pretty standard for him. Keenum definitely looked mobile and kept the chains moving, but he looked "great" because the Colts apparently figured that the staple bootleg and playaction plays of the Texans didn't need to be prepped for. He didn't look nearly as good in the 2nd half, where the Colts actually looked like they made adjustments on defense AND offense for once. Kubiak going down definitely didn't help Keenum or the Texans, but the Colts actually looking like they should expect those staples and actually covering AJ had more to do with the turnaround in the 2nd half, in my eyes at least.

Eh, he those were some NFL rookie mistakes. Plus, Kubiak going down sure took the wind out of the sails of everyone. Friend of mine said Reliant was like a graveyard when that happened. Say what you will about his coaching, the dude is by all accounts much loved. Keenum looked great but his size worries me. The first time he gets sandwiched between two very nasty defensive linemen, he's going to have a very bad day. The seasons over but looks like my team might have a QB. It's been so long since I've seen a Texan chunk the ball down field, I forgot it was in the playbook.

Bullock better not be wearing a jersey by the end of the week. That guy was costing people games when he was at aTm. I'm surprised Schaub wasn't on the sidelines telling the fans "I have his address if anyone is interested."
 
2013-11-04 09:52:56 AM

redmid17: revman64: Can't hang this one on Keenum.  Randy Bullock needs to be out of a job today.  Those 3 misses cost the Texans the game.  The Andre Johnson catch overrule was also unusual.  The guy caught it, brought it to the ground, rolled out of bounds and then the defender knocked it out of his arms a yard out of bounds.  How is that not a catch?  Must have been tough for the players to focus in the 2nd half too not knowing what happened to their coach and offensive play-caller.  Just a bizarre end to a game that exemplifies the season for the Texans.

It's the NFL's stupid farking rule. Not much else to it. The Bills got hosed on a similar play earlier, except it was in the middle of the field not near the sideline.

Anyway the refs were pretty bad yesterday. There was no way they could legitimately overturn that KR fumble either


It is basically that "must have control for the entire catch"/"continuation" rule, even if part of the catch is out of bounds where it shouldn't matter anyway.  I agree... if you "establish" control and feet in bounds... whatever happens after that should be inconsequential.
 
2013-11-04 09:53:10 AM

thecpt: TY Hilton, fantasy football hall of fame


I was down 40 last night with Luck and Hilton, and half-way through that game last night I almost went to bed.

Now I'm up 40, but the other guy has Marshall and Forte going tonight.

Really starting to hate Fantasy Football.
 
2013-11-04 09:54:39 AM

Arkanaut: So two guys were responsible for all 6 TD's? Ridiculous.


Not that anyone would care about my fantasy team, but I'm 1-8 due to the fact that I just can't predict these stats anymore. Oh well, it was a good run.
 
2013-11-04 09:57:21 AM
stargate.sg.one.free.fr
 
2013-11-04 09:59:30 AM

Actual Farking: [stargate.sg.one.free.fr image 400x460]


Mike & Mike should totally recreate that photo.
 
2013-11-04 09:59:39 AM

Prevailing Wind: That being said, Houston fans, I think you guys have found yourself a damn fine QB in Keenum.   He showed poise and talent WAY beyond a 2 game starter.  The guy is a friggen mobile rocket launcher and he showed pretty outstanding judgement for most of the game.  Don't give up yet.


The only problem is that he falls apart when the blitz finally starts getting to him. Happened in the KC game as well.

What this tells you is that he's not very good at reading defenses and slow to react to changes on the field. Collinsworth hit on it a bit last night too: In the first half when the recievers are just running go-routes or simple slants yeah, he can hit them, but so can 30 other guys in the league. Both the Chiefs and the Colts last night started out with pretty vanilla defenses, but after 2 weeks of film, I bet the Cards start coming after him early and often.

Maybe he'll learn and get better at getting rid of the ball, but still a ways to go for this kid. Still, not like the Texans have anywhere else to go, so they can just ride him the rest of the way, and by the end of the year they should know whether he's worth making the starter next year or not.
 
2013-11-04 10:01:31 AM

dletter: redmid17: revman64: Can't hang this one on Keenum.  Randy Bullock needs to be out of a job today.  Those 3 misses cost the Texans the game.  The Andre Johnson catch overrule was also unusual.  The guy caught it, brought it to the ground, rolled out of bounds and then the defender knocked it out of his arms a yard out of bounds.  How is that not a catch?  Must have been tough for the players to focus in the 2nd half too not knowing what happened to their coach and offensive play-caller.  Just a bizarre end to a game that exemplifies the season for the Texans.

It's the NFL's stupid farking rule. Not much else to it. The Bills got hosed on a similar play earlier, except it was in the middle of the field not near the sideline.

Anyway the refs were pretty bad yesterday. There was no way they could legitimately overturn that KR fumble either

It is basically that "must have control for the entire catch"/"continuation" rule, even if part of the catch is out of bounds where it shouldn't matter anyway.  I agree... if you "establish" control and feet in bounds... whatever happens after that should be inconsequential.


They f-ed up the play clock too and ran off 20 seconds w/ the overturn
 
2013-11-04 10:10:28 AM

funk_soul_bubby: Arkanaut: So two guys were responsible for all 6 TD's? Ridiculous.

Not that anyone would care about my fantasy team, but I'm 1-8 due to the fact that I just can't predict these stats anymore. Oh well, it was a good run.


Yeah, receivers are always a crapshoot.  Outside of guys in the same tier as Calvin Johnson, it's pretty much feast or famine.
 
2013-11-04 10:11:24 AM
Ya know what's awesome? Instant replay.  I can't wait to bring this level of awesomeness to all sports.

It's pretty awesome to wait 5 minutes to watch the refs reverse a correct call into an incorrect call.

Gotta get it right!  Replay is very important.
 
2013-11-04 10:18:51 AM
Houston just could not get a first down at the end of the game when it really counted.

But I agree with the guy above on that first down catch being over-turned when the guy clearly had the ball going all the way to the ground before the defender someone managed to knock it loose like 5 full seconds after the play was over and done.
 
2013-11-04 10:21:37 AM
It's not our year
 
2013-11-04 10:23:47 AM

Leader O'Cola: UNC_Samurai: Meanwhile, Bucs fans are praying to God, Vishnu, Odin, Jobu, The Great Maker, and Garl Glittergold that the "coach rushed to hospital" trifecta is in play.

http://www.sbnation.com/2013/10/23/4862062/greg-schiano-breaking-mad de n


That is fantastic
 
2013-11-04 10:47:17 AM

thecpt: Leader O'Cola: UNC_Samurai: Meanwhile, Bucs fans are praying to God, Vishnu, Odin, Jobu, The Great Maker, and Garl Glittergold that the "coach rushed to hospital" trifecta is in play.

http://www.sbnation.com/2013/10/23/4862062/greg-schiano-breaking-mad de n

That is fantastic


Agree, +1
 
2013-11-04 11:06:55 AM
i1182.photobucket.com
 
2013-11-04 11:15:50 AM

UNC_Samurai: Meanwhile, Bucs fans are praying to God, Vishnu, Odin, Jobu, The Great Maker, and Garl Glittergold that the "coach rushed to hospital" trifecta is in play.


I think he is a little more relaxed now. He knows he is a dead man walking. Throw out the playbook. Lets do jump passes.

turned my freeman jersey into a F*Schiano.
 
2013-11-04 11:16:11 AM

thecpt: Leader O'Cola: UNC_Samurai: Meanwhile, Bucs fans are praying to God, Vishnu, Odin, Jobu, The Great Maker, and Garl Glittergold that the "coach rushed to hospital" trifecta is in play.

http://www.sbnation.com/2013/10/23/4862062/greg-schiano-breaking-mad de n

That is fantastic


I saw that this morning. It almost had me in tears. The voice behind the writing is just hilarious.
 
2013-11-04 11:17:28 AM
redmid17:

It's the NFL's stupid farking rule. Not much else to it. The Bills got hosed on a similar play earlier, except it was in the middle of the field not near the sideline.

Honestly I'm surprised that at this point teams haven't started fining players for not holding onto the ball until they are home in bed.   I mean I get WHY the rule is there, but the language needs to be clarified A LOT.

Dude catches the ball, hits the ground, and slides for 5 yards with a defender on top of him, the defender has 5 yards of slide to rip the ball out and it's "no catch"?   That is NOT the intention of the rule.
 
2013-11-04 11:18:35 AM
Detroit over Dallas still has to be the most impressive comeback of the season though, right?  The Houston QB was in his second start with the coach going to the hospital at halftime and Tampa Bay is in shambles so while Indy and Seattle's wins were fun to watch for fans of any team but the losing ones, Dallas is at least halfway competent, maybe.
 
2013-11-04 11:28:46 AM

Leader O'Cola: UNC_Samurai: Meanwhile, Bucs fans are praying to God, Vishnu, Odin, Jobu, The Great Maker, and Garl Glittergold that the "coach rushed to hospital" trifecta is in play.

http://www.sbnation.com/2013/10/23/4862062/greg-schiano-breaking-mad de n


That reminds me of a time a few Maddens ago. This was the last year Mr. Favre was an availible player. He was a free agent and at the time the four letter had their Favre watch going and were constantly speculating about him coming back. Naturally I signed him to my franchise. There was also this perk you could purchase in the PS Store that allowed you to bring one player out of retirement every year. Needless to say in 2023 when I stopped playing my franchise because the new Madden was out Mr. Favre was still on my roster as a 55 overall third string QB.
 
2013-11-04 11:37:42 AM

roc6783: Detroit over Dallas still has to be the most impressive comeback of the season though, right?  The Houston QB was in his second start with the coach going to the hospital at halftime and Tampa Bay is in shambles so while Indy and Seattle's wins were fun to watch for fans of any team but the losing ones, Dallas is at least halfway competent, maybe.


Dallas had to put together a 90 yard drive against the Minnesota Ponders to win the game. On one hand, they have to give credit for accomplishing that feat and winning the game. On the other hand, they were losing in the 4th quarter to a team quarterbacked by Christian Ponder.
 
2013-11-04 11:41:47 AM

roc6783: Detroit over Dallas still has to be the most impressive comeback of the season though, right?  The Houston QB was in his second start with the coach going to the hospital at halftime and Tampa Bay is in shambles so while Indy and Seattle's wins were fun to watch for fans of any team but the losing ones, Dallas is at least halfway competent, maybe.


Dallas hasn't beaten a team with a > .500 record.  Until they do I don't think you can consider them competent.

Actually the Redskins have 2 wins against such teams (Chicago and San Diego).....the only 2 by ANY team in the NFC East.   Yes the division is that bad this year.
 
2013-11-04 11:47:32 AM

DoBeDoBeDo: roc6783: Detroit over Dallas still has to be the most impressive comeback of the season though, right?  The Houston QB was in his second start with the coach going to the hospital at halftime and Tampa Bay is in shambles so while Indy and Seattle's wins were fun to watch for fans of any team but the losing ones, Dallas is at least halfway competent, maybe.

Dallas hasn't beaten a team with a > .500 record.  Until they do I don't think you can consider them competent.

Actually the Redskins have 2 wins against such teams (Chicago and San Diego).....the only 2 by ANY team in the NFC East.   Yes the division is that bad this year.


That is interesting.   If you look at the Skins coming up, there is a good chance they go 4-2, and will be 7-7 when they have their Dallas rematch.   I can see Dallas with the same 7-7 record by then.
 
2013-11-04 11:48:45 AM

roc6783: Detroit over Dallas still has to be the most impressive comeback of the season though, right?  The Houston QB was in his second start with the coach going to the hospital at halftime and Tampa Bay is in shambles so while Indy and Seattle's wins were fun to watch for fans of any team but the losing ones, Dallas is at least halfway competent, maybe.


How are the 1-7 Vikings (-66 point differential) any less of a shambles than the 0-8 Buccaneers (also -66 point differential)?

One of these teams moved on from Josh Freeman; the other is settling for their current QB until Freeman comes back to rescue them. You tell me which one is in worse shape.
 
2013-11-04 11:48:50 AM

DoBeDoBeDo: roc6783: Detroit over Dallas still has to be the most impressive comeback of the season though, right?  The Houston QB was in his second start with the coach going to the hospital at halftime and Tampa Bay is in shambles so while Indy and Seattle's wins were fun to watch for fans of any team but the losing ones, Dallas is at least halfway competent, maybe.

Dallas hasn't beaten a team with a > .500 record.  Until they do I don't think you can consider them competent.

Actually the Redskins have 2 wins against such teams (Chicago and San Diego).....the only 2 by ANY team in the NFC East.   Yes the division is that bad this year.


The bears are above .500? I wonder when that will end...

/are you ready for some footballlllll
 
2013-11-04 11:50:31 AM

Super Chronic: roc6783: Detroit over Dallas still has to be the most impressive comeback of the season though, right?  The Houston QB was in his second start with the coach going to the hospital at halftime and Tampa Bay is in shambles so while Indy and Seattle's wins were fun to watch for fans of any team but the losing ones, Dallas is at least halfway competent, maybe.

How are the 1-7 Vikings (-66 point differential) any less of a shambles than the 0-8 Buccaneers (also -66 point differential)?

One of these teams moved on from Josh Freeman; the other is settling for their current QB until Freeman comes back to rescue them. You tell me which one is in worse shape.


Crap, I COMPLETELY misread the message I was responding to. Ignore my response above. Wish I could edit/delete.
 
2013-11-04 12:06:09 PM
Houston, I think you have found a QB. I was very impressed with Keenum
 
2013-11-04 12:07:39 PM

CipollinaFan: Leader O'Cola: UNC_Samurai: Meanwhile, Bucs fans are praying to God, Vishnu, Odin, Jobu, The Great Maker, and Garl Glittergold that the "coach rushed to hospital" trifecta is in play.

http://www.sbnation.com/2013/10/23/4862062/greg-schiano-breaking-mad de n

That reminds me of a time a few Maddens ago. This was the last year Mr. Favre was an availible player. He was a free agent and at the time the four letter had their Favre watch going and were constantly speculating about him coming back. Naturally I signed him to my franchise. There was also this perk you could purchase in the PS Store that allowed you to bring one player out of retirement every year. Needless to say in 2023 when I stopped playing my franchise because the new Madden was out Mr. Favre was still on my roster as a 55 overall third string QB.


...when he got in trouble with the league for sending holovids of his junk to some girl born after his last Super Bowl.
 
2013-11-04 12:09:34 PM
The roughing the kicker thing wasn't a bad non-call, really. In real time, it looked like the guy might have got a piece of the ball. The only bad call was not challenging which is on the coaching and not the refs.
 
2013-11-04 12:11:29 PM
The football gods just really hate "Wade Phillips: Head Coach"
 
2013-11-04 12:16:50 PM
Keenum still has a bunch of rookie learnin' to do, but he's a hella better shot to win than Shaub is at this point.
 
2013-11-04 12:17:28 PM

GQueue: The football gods just really hate "Wade Phillips: Head Coach"


You know, as the Texans imploded and they kept showing Wade on TV.....As a Dallas cowboys fan, I agree Wade is not HC material
 
2013-11-04 12:18:26 PM

ToddMU03: revman64: The Andre Johnson catch overrule was also unusual.  The guy caught it, brought it to the ground, rolled out of bounds and then the defender knocked it out of his arms a yard out of bounds.  How is that not a catch?  Must have been tough for the players to focus in the 2nd half too not knowing what happened to their coach and offensive play-caller.  Just a bizarre end to a game that exemplifies the season for the Texans.

Make up call for the overturned fumble.


No kidding. I think the refs forgot about the "indisputable visual evidence" required to overturn a call. Hell, I thought there was indisputable evidence the call should stand in both cases. Really a sad performance by that crew.
 
2013-11-04 12:20:01 PM

roc6783: Detroit over Dallas still has to be the most impressive comeback of the season though, right?  The Houston QB was in his second start with the coach going to the hospital at halftime and Tampa Bay is in shambles so while Indy and Seattle's wins were fun to watch for fans of any team but the losing ones, Dallas is at least halfway competent, maybe.


Patriots over Saints is another good one, tho you've got to give the edge to Detroit because they were down the entire game
 
2013-11-04 12:20:40 PM

GQueue: The football gods just really hate "Wade Phillips: Head Coach"


Flutie curse still in effect
 
2013-11-04 12:27:07 PM

Actual Farking:


Came for this. Is that show out on DVD yet?!
 
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