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(Opposing Views)   Innocent man spends month in prison for a crime he didn't commit, despite having both an alibi and video evidence showing he wasn't at the scene of the crime. That's some mighty fine police work, Officer Lou   (opposingviews.com) divider line 132
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2013-11-04 02:24:26 AM  

Por que tan serioso: You couldn't be more wrong. Most attorneys dont put on affirmative evidence at prelim. Its a chance to see what the prosecution has. HOWEVER, if you have the goods you put it on. Period. A failure to do so is boarder line malpractice.


Defense attorneys rarely present evidence at a preliminary hearing, although they are allowed to do so. At a prelim, the judge must look at the evidence "in the light most favorable to the prosecution," so defense evidence doesn't hold much weight.

In this case the investigating officer should have looked at the alibi evidence and, if it was convincing, approached the DA and asked for the charges to be dropped pending further investigation. If the cop didn't do that, the defense attorney should have asked for a pretrial conference with the DA and presented the evidence for consideration.

Either the cop was lazy, incompetent, or he didn't believe the alibi evidence. The defense attorney is not without blame, however. If his alibi evidence was that convincing he should have presented it at the preliminary hearing for the judge to consider, or he should have asked for a pretrial conference.

I'd like to know how they considered this guy a suspect in the first place. Why did they even show his picture to the victim for identification? There's something missing from this story.
 
2013-11-04 02:25:03 AM  

log_jammin: khyberkitsune: nor public defender that told me to plead guilty

*facepalm*


Yea, tell me about it. Sucks when you can't afford a lawyer that even has a shred of a clue regarding technology to defend your ass in court.

On the other hand, I could try pleading the PD as incompetent and trying to fight this outright myself.
 
2013-11-04 02:25:27 AM  

Talondel: It's a shame that a witness identified the wrong person.


That witness deserves to be hit by a bus. What a shame that would be.
 
2013-11-04 02:27:42 AM  
"I'm just glad this thing is over," said Yvonne Brown, DeAndre's mother.

I really  hope it isn't
 
2013-11-04 02:30:48 AM  
Just a month? Is that all? Pfffft!
 
2013-11-04 02:36:47 AM  

doglover: If you support the American legal system, this is the culture you support. With the world's highest incarceration rate and more DA lawyers than anyone else per capita feeding for profit prison systems young men by the scoopful, it's more important to catch a man than to catch an actual criminal.

And don't fool yourself with "innocent until proven guilty" either. If you're arrested, you're guilty. From the moment you're taken you are guilty. The trial is only a formality and can take many months, even years to happen if at all. For some offenses, even if you are found innocent, you're already guilty because of some newspaper article. Accused of rape? Your arrest is headline news, the redaction and dismissal of all charges doesn't even make a single line in 5 point font on the next to the last page printed behind the crossword puzzle.

This is why we need reform in both the system from the ground up. We have to look at people the police have arrested not as criminals, but merely as people the police have arrested. Ghandi went to jail, too, you know.


This!
 
2013-11-04 02:39:40 AM  

CruiserTwelve: Por que tan serioso: You couldn't be more wrong. Most attorneys dont put on affirmative evidence at prelim. Its a chance to see what the prosecution has. HOWEVER, if you have the goods you put it on. Period. A failure to do so is boarder line malpractice.

Defense attorneys rarely present evidence at a preliminary hearing, although they are allowed to do so. At a prelim, the judge must look at the evidence "in the light most favorable to the prosecution," so defense evidence doesn't hold much weight.

In this case the investigating officer should have looked at the alibi evidence and, if it was convincing, approached the DA and asked for the charges to be dropped pending further investigation. If the cop didn't do that, the defense attorney should have asked for a pretrial conference with the DA and presented the evidence for consideration.

Either the cop was lazy, incompetent, or he didn't believe the alibi evidence. The defense attorney is not without blame, however. If his alibi evidence was that convincing he should have presented it at the preliminary hearing for the judge to consider, or he should have asked for a pretrial conference.

I'd like to know how they considered this guy a suspect in the first place. Why did they even show his picture to the victim for identification? There's something missing from this story.


You need to get out of here with your facts and thoughtfullness and stuff. We have witches to burn, dammit!
 
2013-11-04 02:40:45 AM  
 
2013-11-04 02:44:05 AM  
Everybody sucks in this story--his lawyer, his family, the cops, the DA, the witness.  I would hope the State will offer some settlement and clear his record (including expunging the arrest record).

That said, 30 days in jail is a lot better than 30 days in prison.  I've spent a night in jail (arrested on a warrant b/c some jerkhole stole my identity and wrote bad checks, and I'm a white guy go figure).  Over 90% of the people in jail are there for things like driving on a suspended license or failure to appear.
 
2013-11-04 02:44:17 AM  

CruiserTwelve:  the defense attorney should have asked for a pretrial conference with the DA and presented the evidence for consideration.


That should have happened long before the hearing.
 
2013-11-04 03:02:50 AM  

CruiserTwelve: Por que tan serioso: You couldn't be more wrong. Most attorneys dont put on affirmative evidence at prelim. Its a chance to see what the prosecution has. HOWEVER, if you have the goods you put it on. Period. A failure to do so is boarder line malpractice.

Defense attorneys rarely present evidence at a preliminary hearing, although they are allowed to do so. At a prelim, the judge must look at the evidence "in the light most favorable to the prosecution," so defense evidence doesn't hold much weight.

In this case the investigating officer should have looked at the alibi evidence and, if it was convincing, approached the DA and asked for the charges to be dropped pending further investigation. If the cop didn't do that, the defense attorney should have asked for a pretrial conference with the DA and presented the evidence for consideration.

Either the cop was lazy, incompetent, or he didn't believe the alibi evidence. The defense attorney is not without blame, however. If his alibi evidence was that convincing he should have presented it at the preliminary hearing for the judge to consider, or he should have asked for a pretrial conference.

I'd like to know how they considered this guy a suspect in the first place. Why did they even show his picture to the victim for identification? There's something missing from this story.


As an officer you are no doubt aware that it would be unlawful for you to consider anything outside the scope of the hearing. Sure you can listen all you want before but attempting to sell the states designsted investigator on evidence with no factual bases or offer of proof at a prelim is unheard of. A) wrong time B) Wrong place C) wrong person. The atty should have had the video authenticated showed the video and put on the other evidence. Most attorneys would love to hand the state their ass at prelim because as you stated the burdon to bind a defendant over for trial is so low. Unfortunately the PD's office is seriously understaffed and overworked. Bottom line most competent attys would have put the time in and got it kicked then talked shiat to all their buddys at the courthouse. Hell. That's the kind of shiat you call your friends in to witness. In this case the PD wrongly assumed he could do an end run because he didnt prepare. Also yes!!! Settlement conference!! No DA would risk getting stomped at prelim if they knew the defense has the goods. To many of those and you are answering up in traffic court so I seriously doubt the DA had any prior knowledge of the evidence before prelim and did their job as they swore to do. No my friend. This fubar is only on the PDs shoulders.
 
2013-11-04 03:09:28 AM  
If he wasn't guilty, then he never had anything to worry about when he got to trial.  So what's he complaining about?
 
2013-11-04 03:12:09 AM  
Oops. Sorry 12. In my zeal I misread your comment to say that the def atty was not to blame.
 
2013-11-04 03:14:50 AM  
Cousin is cop. Heated arguments every year at thanksgiving. Always telling me how its defense attorneys who necessitate he and his partner getting their storys straight after a questionable arrest.
 
2013-11-04 03:20:25 AM  

Por que tan serioso: As an officer you are no doubt aware that it would be unlawful for you to consider anything outside the scope of the hearing. Sure you can listen all you want before but attempting to sell the states designsted investigator on evidence with no factual bases or offer of proof at a prelim is unheard of. A) wrong time B) Wrong place C) wrong person. The atty should have had the video authenticated showed the video and put on the other evidence. Most attorneys would love to hand the state their ass at prelim because as you stated the burdon to bind a defendant over for trial is so low. Unfortunately the PD's office is seriously un ...


 http://lampmanlaw.com/prelimhearing.htm

The above link will explain what can be presented at a preliminary hearing in Pennsylvania. The defense attorney should have presented the alibi evidence to the DA or the police officer for consideration, or alternatively should have presented it to the judge as evidence during the prelim.

If the alibi evidence was so convincing, the defense attorney should have done something with it long before the prelim. He could have met with the investigating officer and his supervisor and asked that the case be reopened, and if that didn't work, he could have gone to the media. It sounds like he just sat on it while his client sat in jail though.
 
2013-11-04 03:23:11 AM  

CruiserTwelve: Here's a better story with a video


And here is the pertinent information:

Pittsburgh police major crimes Lt. Dan Herrmann told [the Pittsburgh Times] that Brown declined to speak with police after the robbery victim identified him as the suspect, noting that the first time police heard the alibi story was minutes before the Sept. 24 preliminary hearing. Brown's family strenuously denies that and says Brown told police of his alibi in preliminary interviews.

In any case, once the guy was in jail, it's not really up to the cops to decide whether or not he gets out of jail. It's up to the attorneys. Just about the only time the cops get to decide that is at the moment of arrest and in the time between your arrest and your arraignment. Those would be the "preliminary INTERVIEWS" the family is talking about.

So the question here becomes: Why was the guy detained for a whole month between his arrest and his prelim? Usually (i.e. under the law) you have to be arraigned within 72 hours of your arrest unless you're unlucky enough to be arrested the Thursday before a long weekend in which case you don't get to see a judge before Tuesday. Neither the cops nor the DA has a good reason for holding someone for a simple armed robbery for A MONTH unless the guy waived his right to a fast arraignment--which means his attorney dropped the ball IF his alibi was really mentioned the night of the arrest.

So either the cops just tucked this guy in jail and forgot to bring him out; or the DA lost the paperwork for a month; or the guy's defense attorney didn't have the alleged alibi evidence until a month later. Given that the alibi evidence means this guy is going to win a nice juicy settlement for wrongful imprisonment from the county...I'm guessing they didn't really get the video evidence till a month later. Which is fine; but it doesn't mean the cops did anything MORE wrong than just not believe him when he said he didn't do it.
 
2013-11-04 03:33:21 AM  

Gyrfalcon: ou have to be arraigned within 72 hours of your arrest unless you're unlucky enough to be arrested the Thursday before a long weekend in which case you don't get to see a judge before Tuesday. Neither the cops nor the DA has a good reason for holding someone for a simple armed robbery for A MONTH unless the guy waived his right to a fast arraignment--which means his attorney dropped the ball IF his alibi was really mentioned the night of the arrest.


he was arraigned. He went before a judge who set bail, he just couldn't make bail.

Gyrfalcon: Given that the alibi evidence means this guy is going to win a nice juicy settlement for wrongful imprisonment from the county.


nope. never happen. rightly, or wrongly, they system worked as it's intended.

He was arrested after being accused of a crime by a witness, he went before a judge who felt there was enough evidence to support the bond amount he set(and there is no requirement that a judge set bond at an amount the defendant can afford). later upon seeing new evidence thatexonerated the guy, the DA dropped charges and he was freed.

The only reason this is a story is because he couldn't afford to bond out for one reason or another. But the real story is like I said before, either this DA is an asshole, or the guys lawyer is lazy and incompetent.  or some combination of those things.
 
2013-11-04 03:43:25 AM  
Lawsuit time against the court AND against the idiot at the bakery who fingered him.
 
2013-11-04 03:49:27 AM  

TV's Vinnie: Cops, courts, and prisons aren't for Justice. They are for punishment.

Anyone will fill a cell for the corporation. An innocent one will bring in just as much profit as a guilty one.


sad but I think you are correct. What has our country come too?
 
2013-11-04 04:28:20 AM  
Police arrested Brown, who has no criminal record, on Sept. 16 after Lloyd Bundy, who works at the bakery, identified him as the robber. Bundy, 54, of Homewood declined comment.

According to a criminal complaint, a man with a white T-shirt covering part of his face entered the bakery and demanded money. Bundy told police he caught a glimpse of the man's face when the shirt fell while he fidgeted with the register.

The following day, the complaint states, Bundy called 911 when he recognized a man at the shop as the one who had robbed him and reported his license plate to police.

Nightingale said Bundy identified Brown because he works nearby and visits the shop often.



What is so disturbing about this is that the police just picked up Brown and put him in jail. Brown had a job and had no criminal history. Why would he commit an armed robbery for $80?

If Brown hadn't been at the job training seminar, he would still be in jail.

What did Brown do wrong here? What is the advice for people who have been wrongfully accused? Try to talk to the police to clear the misunderstanding or just ask for an attorney?
 
2013-11-04 04:37:17 AM  

log_jammin: The only reason this is a story is because he couldn't afford to bond out for one reason or another. But the real story is like I said before, either this DA is an asshole, or the guys lawyer is lazy and incompetent.  or some combination of those things.


I've never known a DA who wasn't an asshole.  Or a practicing attorney for that matter.  I have, however, known MANY of them who are lazy and/or incompetent, and would screw over their mothers for a dollar.
 
2013-11-04 05:07:59 AM  

doglover: If you support the American legal system, this is the culture you support. With the world's highest incarceration rate and more DA lawyers than anyone else per capita feeding for profit prison systems young men by the scoopful, it's more important to catch a man than to catch an actual criminal.

And don't fool yourself with "innocent until proven guilty" either. If you're arrested, you're guilty. From the moment you're taken you are guilty. The trial is only a formality and can take many months, even years to happen if at all. For some offenses, even if you are found innocent, you're already guilty because of some newspaper article. Accused of rape? Your arrest is headline news, the redaction and dismissal of all charges doesn't even make a single line in 5 point font on the next to the last page printed behind the crossword puzzle.

This is why we need reform in both the system from the ground up. We have to look at people the police have arrested not as criminals, but merely as people the police have arrested. Ghandi went to jail, too, you know.


The gist of this is what I came here to ask: is this man's record going to be expunged? Is the newspaper going to run a retraction paid for and placed by the arresting party?

In other words, if he sues and wins a pile of money, that will not set him right. Is it common practice that people wrongly accused, arrested, and detained are "set right" in the ways I've outlined above, or is SOP to just hide and hope that the person doesn't lawyer up, or doesn't think the ramifications fully through?
 
2013-11-04 05:43:21 AM  

mr0x: Police arrested Brown, who has no criminal record, on Sept. 16 after Lloyd Bundy, who works at the bakery, identified him as the robber. Bundy, 54, of Homewood declined comment.

According to a criminal complaint, a man with a white T-shirt covering part of his face entered the bakery and demanded money. Bundy told police he caught a glimpse of the man's face when the shirt fell while he fidgeted with the register.

The following day, the complaint states, Bundy called 911 when he recognized a man at the shop as the one who had robbed him and reported his license plate to police.

Nightingale said Bundy identified Brown because he works nearby and visits the shop often.


What is so disturbing about this is that the police just picked up Brown and put him in jail. Brown had a job and had no criminal history. Why would he commit an armed robbery for $80?

If Brown hadn't been at the job training seminar, he would still be in jail.

What did Brown do wrong here? What is the advice for people who have been wrongfully accused? Try to talk to the police to clear the misunderstanding or just ask for an attorney?


If you're wrongfully accused, hope you have an alibi, because if you don't, you're toast. The prosecutor wants you to go to jail. There are no rewards for exonerating an innocent person. There are also a lot of no-backsies.

A friend of mine, grad of an Ivy League school, in a business internship, no record, was picked up for an armed robbery he was innocent of, but had no alibi other than he was on the phone with me while the crime was supposedly being committed. The eye witness for some reason couldn't pick him out of a crowd because she was 'traumatized' but that didn't stop the process after the arrest, which was based on proximity to the crime, as he was walking back from a grocery store with bags, and the fact he was wearing a sweat suit of a different color than was reported. And my friend had $110 in his pocket, while the armed robbery at the donut shop manned by the single eye witness, netted $89. That was enough.

When the family was gathered for the hearing, they were occasionally smiling and telling jokes out in the hallway to cheer him up a little...his family are very close and deal with things with humor. The Prosecutors office saw this and was FURIOUS that the family were being so disrespectful to the process out there in the hallway by the elevators, that the prosecutor told the defense atty that they were pissed and would make sure that the case went to trial.

They managed to get a lesser plea from the innocent guy because there was no alibi other than our cell phone conversation, and the eye witnesses' description that was roughly his description, sans height, sans same clothing. The defense atty. was convinced that if it went to trial, he'd likely go to jail. So the plea. Now the Ivy League grad has a record.

/was there for that
 
2013-11-04 05:57:30 AM  
Jail /= Prison

Just saying....  jails are full of innocent people who cannot afford bail.  This is a big part of why they exist.
 
2013-11-04 06:04:20 AM  
No video of the robbery, but a video of an alibi.
 
2013-11-04 06:10:20 AM  
someone is about to get PAID!

(the cop, while on a 2 week vacation)
 
2013-11-04 06:37:33 AM  
Was Miles Edgeworth the prosecutor?
 
2013-11-04 06:44:46 AM  

log_jammin: khyberkitsune: nor public defender that told me to plead guilty

*facepalm*


Yup, your problem was the public pretender. Shoulda forked out for a real lawyer. Liberty and justice at the right price, you know.
 
2013-11-04 06:52:14 AM  

Mentalpatient87: log_jammin: khyberkitsune: nor public defender that told me to plead guilty

*facepalm*

Yup, your problem was the public pretender. Shoulda forked out for a real lawyer. Liberty and justice at the right price, you know.


Freind of mine in story above had a 'real' lawyer, that's no guarantee that a plea deal is not encouraged.
 
2013-11-04 07:16:21 AM  
Wait... so his Alibi is that he was being trained as a security guard at the same time and place as the place that got robbed?

How is that an Alibi again?
 
2013-11-04 07:21:44 AM  

log_jammin: isn't that what the judge is supposed to do?


Judges? In Pennsylvania?  The reporter would have mentioned a judge if one was needed.
 
2013-11-04 07:27:08 AM  

DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: Mentalpatient87: log_jammin: khyberkitsune: nor public defender that told me to plead guilty

*facepalm*

Yup, your problem was the public pretender. Shoulda forked out for a real lawyer. Liberty and justice at the right price, you know.

Freind of mine in story above had a 'real' lawyer, that's no guarantee that a plea deal is not encouraged.


Which also blows, I agree.
 
2013-11-04 07:35:40 AM  
Happens all the time, especially against blacks in big cities. Every other day, there was something in the Chicago papers about this exact same thing. And the city's had to cough up some major bucks because of people like John Burge and rogue cops playing the real like version of:

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-11-04 07:50:47 AM  

Alonjar: Wait... so his Alibi is that he was being trained as a security guard at the same time and place as the place that got robbed?

How is that an Alibi again?


Um...no. He is a security guard at one library. He was in a training session at a different branch of that library. The robbery was in a bakery, which was not either of the other two places. That's how it's an alibi.
 
2013-11-04 08:04:58 AM  

untaken_name: Alonjar: Wait... so his Alibi is that he was being trained as a security guard at the same time and place as the place that got robbed?

How is that an Alibi again?

Um...no. He is a security guard at one library. He was in a training session at a different branch of that library. The robbery was in a bakery, which was not either of the other two places. That's how it's an alibi.


www.movieactors.com
The school's valet explains how he managed to RUN down the hall, into the bakery, STAB the cook, and return to his security training.
 
2013-11-04 08:12:13 AM  

untaken_name: Alonjar: Wait... so his Alibi is that he was being trained as a security guard at the same time and place as the place that got robbed?

How is that an Alibi again?

Um...no. He is a security guard at one library. He was in a training session at a different branch of that library. The robbery was in a bakery, which was not either of the other two places. That's how it's an alibi.


ah yeah I misread the article.  Cue appropriate outrage.
 
2013-11-04 08:18:11 AM  
Remember kids; Cops aren't there to get to the truth. They are there to inflict maximum damage at put your ass in jail any way they can. It makes them feel like they are "doing something" and since you are a "civilian" you probably have it coming anyway.

Only other cops are worthy of benefit of the doubt.
 
2013-11-04 08:19:09 AM  

Talondel: A preliminary hearing is a hearing where the state is required to put on evidence showing the probable cause exists to move forward with a trial.  The PH usually has to be held within a relatively short time after an initial arrest.  In most jurisdictions, only the state puts on evidence at a PH.  The defendant can cross examine the state's witnesses, but that's it.  So it's not surprising or unusual that the state refused to acknowledge any potential exculpatory evidence at that phase.  The state doesn't have any way of knowing where you got that tape, if it's authentic, who your alibi witness is, if they're reliable, etc.  Those are things that you use at trial.  Or, in all likelihood, these are things you show to the prosecutor prior to going to trial to get them to drop the charges.  Which appears to be what happened in this case.

The reason he was in jail for a month is that he couldn't post bail.  Which isn't all that surprising considering that was accused of armed robbery.

Oh, and he spent a month in jail.  Not prison.

Other than that, great headline.


Jail is worse.
 
2013-11-04 08:21:48 AM  

SpectroBoy: Remember kids; Cops aren't there to get to the truth. They are there to inflict maximum damage at put your ass in jail any way they can. It makes them feel like they are "doing something" and since you are a "civilian" you probably have it coming anyway.

Only other cops are worthy of benefit of the doubt.


Guilt or innocence is just a matter of timing.

"There's no money you can steal!"
"Oh? Then why are you people here?"
 
2013-11-04 08:22:39 AM  

filter: Jail /= Prison

Just saying....  jails are full of innocent people who cannot afford bail.  This is a big part of why they exist.


I bet they feel pretty similar when yo are the one behind bars and completely innocent.
 
2013-11-04 08:25:22 AM  
My cousin is in jail right now..because his laptop was in a vehicle pulled over for drugs.Cops and everyone else dont care that he has the boxes and a reciept for it sitting in my garageSo he sits..
 
2013-11-04 08:26:03 AM  
The first spring after my son was born, I almost got arrested for something I hadn't done.  I was working third shift at a retail store working the register, when the robbery took place on my last night.  I was busy training the replacement when a guy came in wearing a badge and carrying tools.  He claimed to be there to fix the Coinstar machine and since I was busy, didn't question it.  Later he comes up to me and tells me the machine cannot be fixed by him, he will need to get his supervisor to help him.  I say okay, and put an 'Out of Order' sign up.  A week later, I was being interrogated for the robbery since the video showed me casually talking with the thief.  My alibi was he ripped off 8 more stores before being caught, as we just happened to be the first store hit.  The investigators, store company investigators, did break into my car looking for evidence, which my boss denied.  It was too obvious the way my car was unlocked three days in a row when I left work, until I had an uniform officer come out to see if I could file a report.  I never had an unlocked car before or since then, so there was no coincidence.

/I so get this man's stress level, even though I wasn't arrested, I was a newlywed with an infant son
//hopefully his boss takes him back without issue.
 
2013-11-04 08:26:16 AM  
The legal system is for the wealthy.
 
2013-11-04 08:27:42 AM  

Alonjar: untaken_name: Alonjar: Wait... so his Alibi is that he was being trained as a security guard at the same time and place as the place that got robbed?

How is that an Alibi again?

Um...no. He is a security guard at one library. He was in a training session at a different branch of that library. The robbery was in a bakery, which was not either of the other two places. That's how it's an alibi.

ah yeah I misread the article.  Cue appropriate outrage.


www.myconfinedspace.com
 
2013-11-04 08:33:56 AM  

InternetSecurityGuard: "I'm just glad this thing is over," said Yvonne Brown, DeAndre's mother.

I really, really  hope it isn't


You're right - every job he ever applies for from now on will do a background check (he works as a security guard), see that he was arrested for armed robbery and promptly toss his application in the trash.
 
2013-11-04 08:47:39 AM  

lack of warmth: The first spring after my son was born, I almost got arrested for something I hadn't done.  I was working third shift at a retail store working the register, when the robbery took place on my last night.  I was busy training the replacement when a guy came in wearing a badge and carrying tools.  He claimed to be there to fix the Coinstar machine and since I was busy, didn't question it.  Later he comes up to me and tells me the machine cannot be fixed by him, he will need to get his supervisor to help him.  I say okay, and put an 'Out of Order' sign up.  A week later, I was being interrogated for the robbery since the video showed me casually talking with the thief.  My alibi was he ripped off 8 more stores before being caught, as we just happened to be the first store hit.  The investigators, store company investigators, did break into my car looking for evidence, which my boss denied.  It was too obvious the way my car was unlocked three days in a row when I left work, until I had an uniform officer come out to see if I could file a report.  I never had an unlocked car before or since then, so there was no coincidence.

/I so get this man's stress level, even though I wasn't arrested, I was a newlywed with an infant son
//hopefully his boss takes him back without issue.


I didn't get that level of harassment, but I was once pulled over while walking by a cop on the lookout for a rapist described as tall, white, with red hair and a black shirt. It would had to have been one calm rapist to walk from the rape to the McDonald's and then towards home, but apparently, it happens. I was walking along the street when a cruiser starts following me. I thought it a little strange but at first figured he was doing something else. But when I turned into my parking lot and he turned as well, I knew something was up. He flashed his lights and got out to talk to me. I put my McDonald's bag on his hood to help keep it warm while he talked to me. He asked for my picture and I assented. We bade each other farewell and I never heard from them again.

I've since wondered about the whole, "never talk to the cops," thing while balancing against the whole asshole cop thing. I could have refused the pictures, or even to talk, but then he might have arrested me on suspicion of rape (after all, I fit the description) and it would have ruined not just my day but easily the whole week (I had some serious projects due). I'm thinking that you're generally better off being helpful. After all, time spent arresting my innocent ass is time not spent finding the rapist.

/Don't know if they caught him
 
2013-11-04 08:52:36 AM  

vygramul: lack of warmth: The first spring after my son was born, I almost got arrested for something I hadn't done.  I was working third shift at a retail store working the register, when the robbery took place on my last night.  I was busy training the replacement when a guy came in wearing a badge and carrying tools.  He claimed to be there to fix the Coinstar machine and since I was busy, didn't question it.  Later he comes up to me and tells me the machine cannot be fixed by him, he will need to get his supervisor to help him.  I say okay, and put an 'Out of Order' sign up.  A week later, I was being interrogated for the robbery since the video showed me casually talking with the thief.  My alibi was he ripped off 8 more stores before being caught, as we just happened to be the first store hit.  The investigators, store company investigators, did break into my car looking for evidence, which my boss denied.  It was too obvious the way my car was unlocked three days in a row when I left work, until I had an uniform officer come out to see if I could file a report.  I never had an unlocked car before or since then, so there was no coincidence.

/I so get this man's stress level, even though I wasn't arrested, I was a newlywed with an infant son
//hopefully his boss takes him back without issue.

I didn't get that level of harassment, but I was once pulled over while walking by a cop on the lookout for a rapist described as tall, white, with red hair and a black shirt. It would had to have been one calm rapist to walk from the rape to the McDonald's and then towards home, but apparently, it happens. I was walking along the street when a cruiser starts following me. I thought it a little strange but at first figured he was doing something else. But when I turned into my parking lot and he turned as well, I knew something was up. He flashed his lights and got out to talk to me. I put my McDonald's bag on his hood to help keep it warm while he talked to me. He asked for ...


So the takeaway here is if you are going to rape someone, go to McDonald's afterward and make sure to walk home calmly?
 
2013-11-04 08:56:08 AM  

redmid17: So the takeaway here is if you are going to rape someone, go to McDonald's afterward and make sure to walk home calmly?


I wouldn't bet on that. My picture was used in a lineup and they knew where I lived. If you're planning on fleeing, best to do it before they know who you are and where you live.
 
2013-11-04 08:56:40 AM  
When are we going to get over this "eye witness" fetish? Memory is a faulty thing at best and you never encode correctly what you see. Your brain interprets it and remembers it as it interpret what you see.
 
2013-11-04 09:03:44 AM  

Slaves2Darkness: When are we going to get over this "eye witness" fetish? Memory is a faulty thing at best and you never encode correctly what you see. Your brain interprets it and remembers it as it interpret what you see.


Camera phones are in danger of supplanting eyewitness testimony as the chief source of convictions.
 
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