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(Opposing Views)   Fortune teller who gets rid of curses is charged with fraud. A rival fortune teller is thrilled: "What I do is read people's energy. What they do is charge thousands of dollars for sea glass to read a curse. They prey on people who are weak"   (opposingviews.com) divider line 103
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2013-11-03 07:50:00 PM
Actual curses are pretty rare.  it takes some serious effort to work up anything that would require a hex breaker charm.  That said...it's also relatively easy to make a protection charm for yourself.  not to mention that the best spell work is that you do for and by yourself.  if you really feel like you need something like that, most wiccans and pagans can walk you thru the basics in about an hour, and then help you cast a circle for your working if you need the help.  hells, I'd do it for rum and the promise of you paying a good deed forward.

that said, the topic of witchcraft in/around salem is something that seems a touchy subject.  the locals love the tourist dollars but I think the idea of an active pagan community wiggs out some of the more fanatical right wing types.
 
2013-11-03 09:47:21 PM
I remember Larry King had Sylvia Browne and James Randi on once, and Sylvia Browne said something about how there are a lot of charlatans out there scamming people and making false claims of supernatural power, and Randi literally screams at her "and you're one of them!"
 
2013-11-03 09:49:33 PM

Weaver95: Actual curses are pretty rare.  it takes some serious effort to work up anything that would require a hex breaker charm.  That said...it's also relatively easy to make a protection charm for yourself.  not to mention that the best spell work is that you do for and by yourself.  if you really feel like you need something like that, most wiccans and pagans can walk you thru the basics in about an hour, and then help you cast a circle for your working if you need the help.  hells, I'd do it for rum and the promise of you paying a good deed forward.

that said, the topic of witchcraft in/around salem is something that seems a touchy subject.  the locals love the tourist dollars but I think the idea of an active pagan community wiggs out some of the more fanatical right wing types.


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2013-11-03 09:53:54 PM

Weaver95: Actual curses are pretty rare.


Or, you know, non-existent, based on there being no empirical evidence whatsoever to suggest that they are anything more than a combination of active imagination, fear, paranoia, confirmation bias, observational selection, and coincidence.

it takes some serious effort to work up anything that would require a hex breaker charm.

I doubt that. Just serious gullibility and/or delusion (on either the part of the caster, the victim, or both).

That said...it's also relatively easy to make a protection charm for yourself.  not to mention that the best spell work is that you do for and by yourself.

Just like the rock I use to keep tigers away. It works better because I found it myself instead of getting one of those cheap commercial knock-offs. Remind me to buy a drink for the guy who advised me on the qualities I should look for in a tiger-repelling rock, as well as how to find them.

paying a good deed forward.

I get that the intention is good and the heart is in the right place, but... I can't call spreading nonsense a good deed.
 
2013-11-03 09:59:30 PM
static.comicvine.com

Curses, foiled again.
 
2013-11-03 10:14:00 PM
"If they're a fraud, we're all a fraud. Religion is a fraud. They tell you they can absolve your sins if you put money in a basket."

Paraphrased, but probably the most rational thing I've ever heard from a gypsy.
 
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2013-11-03 10:23:40 PM
Stop it, mamoru! Weaver95 is getting out of the gate strong and early.
 
2013-11-03 10:23:59 PM

jaylectricity: "If they're a fraud, we're all a fraud. Religion is a fraud. They tell you they can absolve your sins if you put money in a basket."

Paraphrased, but probably the most rational thing I've ever heard from a gypsy.


Look, we have a system. Whatever God catches, He keeps.
 
2013-11-03 10:24:53 PM
I put my trust in crystals bought from a kiosk at the mall.
 
2013-11-03 10:25:53 PM
Wow, I think we've found something 99% of Farkers can agree on: all of these hucksters should be prosecuted.
 
2013-11-03 10:26:55 PM
I'm so torn. On one hand, I think "psychics" should be put up against the wall and shot. On the other hand, I think anyone stupid enough to believe in psychics should be put up against the wall and shot. What am I to do?
 
2013-11-03 10:31:26 PM
So.. what is the issue here?  What are they selling the Big religion isn't?
 
2013-11-03 10:32:09 PM
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Slightly amused.
 
2013-11-03 10:32:59 PM

baconbeard: I'm so torn. On one hand, I think "psychics" should be put up against the wall and shot. On the other hand, I think anyone stupid enough to believe in psychics should be put up against the wall and shot. What am I to do?


Leave it alone. The stupid get separated from their money, thus social selection is served.
 
2013-11-03 10:33:15 PM
Christian Day, the owner of two Salem witch shops

LOL. Awesome.
 
2013-11-03 10:33:28 PM

Killroy69: baconbeard: I'm so torn. On one hand, I think "psychics" should be put up against the wall and shot. On the other hand, I think anyone stupid enough to believe in psychics should be put up against the wall and shot. What am I to do?

Leave it alone. The stupid get separated from their money, thus social selection is served.


But what of my blood-lust?
 
2013-11-03 10:36:20 PM

mrlewish: So.. what is the issue here?  What are they selling the Big religion isn't?


Unlike religion, they make you pay up front.

These snake-oil salesmen have more in common with Freudian analysis.
 
2013-11-03 10:44:17 PM
Silly charlatan. Doesn't she know curses are broken with bloody socks?
 
2013-11-03 10:45:47 PM

mrlewish: So.. what is the issue here?  What are they selling the Big religion isn't?


I have to agree with that - I'm atheist and can't see a line dividing the two.  However, the idea of banning religion also scares me, because we ought to have the right to think as we please.  A society that bans religion is probably just as bad as a theocracy.

Perhaps one way to set a dividing line is when you no longer claim that you are providing a religious/mystical/magical service, and rather a concrete one.  Then you are selling a product that doesn't work, and are liable under fraud and consumer protection laws.

We should be focusing on shutting down the "all-natural" drug market - they're a lot more dangerous than psychics.  The "all-natural" drugs don't do anything useful, or they would be regulated by the FDA, and yet they are sold in places like CVS.  There is almost nobody out there saying, "no, that stuff doesn't work, so don't waste your money", so the average person may not know.
 
2013-11-03 10:47:17 PM
All fortune tellers are fake. Any that think they are really clairvoyant are crazy.
 
2013-11-03 10:49:34 PM
I only go to reputable fortune tellers.  They're the ones that take credit cards.
 
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2013-11-03 10:52:03 PM

uncoveror: All fortune tellers are fake. Any that think they are really clairvoyant are crazy.


Belief in clairvoyance and telepathy is significantly increased in axis I personality disorders, eg. shizophrenia, schizotypal, schizoid.  Persons with schizotypal PD are also increasingly vulnerable to hypnosis.  So, running on statistics, somewhere around 4-6 persons out of 100 may be very hard to convince otherwise.
 
2013-11-03 10:52:50 PM

uncoveror: All fortune tellers are fake. Any that think they are really clairvoyant are crazy.


Not crazy. Just stupid.
 
2013-11-03 10:53:54 PM

mamoru: I get that the intention is good and the heart is in the right place, but... I can't call spreading nonsense a good deed.


I bet you'd be fun at a bar with a Rabbi and  Priest.
 
2013-11-03 10:55:28 PM

baconbeard: uncoveror: All fortune tellers are fake. Any that think they are really clairvoyant are crazy.

Not crazy. Just stupid.


If self-delusion were in the DSM most of the world would be crazy.
 
2013-11-03 10:56:32 PM
If you believe in curses, hexes, spells, magic, vampires, voodoo, or the power of prayer please take a long walk off a short pier.

/i know i'm an asshole.
 
2013-11-03 10:58:18 PM

SquiggsIN: If you believe in curses, hexes, spells, magic, vampires, voodoo, or the power of prayer please take a long walk off a short pier.

/i know i'm an asshole.


I don't think I've got anything that can fix that.  sorry man...that's one curse I can't break!
 
2013-11-03 10:58:46 PM
And how many shrinks have you met that you considered sane?
 
2013-11-03 11:00:27 PM

baconbeard: I'm so torn. On one hand, I think "psychics" should be put up against the wall and shot. On the other hand, I think anyone stupid enough to believe in psychics should be put up against the wall and shot. What am I to do?


Buy a gun?
 
2013-11-03 11:03:20 PM

mamoru: Or, you know, non-existent, based on there being no empirical evidence whatsoever to suggest that they are anything more than a combination of active imagination, fear, paranoia, confirmation bias, observational selection, and coincidence.


you know...I'll bet that to a medieval peasant, a big screen TV would sure seem like magic.  I see it as a matter of perspective - there are things out there in the world we don't understand.  we think we do, but...that sort of control is an illusion.  look around you sometime - you think we're 'in control' of our lives?  our culture?  our environment?  we understand a few things, we've learned some clever tricks.  but don't think that we've figured out how the universe really works.  in geological terms, our species has been here less than the blink of an eye.  what you look down on and laugh at is far more arrogant than someone looking around the world and saying 'this is some f*cked up shiat' and trying to think outside the box to find a way to deal with the insanity of day to day existence.
 
2013-11-03 11:05:31 PM
Has anyone figured out this one's MO?

ghosttvblogs.com
 
2013-11-03 11:06:18 PM
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2013-11-03 11:06:44 PM
Queen Nyteshade could tell fortunes and she was a midget. The cops disapproved because they felt that fortune telling was a scam. They had Queen arrested. She was placed in a cell. Since she was small, she squeezed between the bars and escaped. An incensed judge ordered the local newspaper to print an article about her. Printed in the paper the next day?

"Small Medium at Large."
 
2013-11-03 11:10:26 PM
Well its obvious guys. We must not allow a Psychic and or Curse gap. Because the Ruskies could take over. or something. We must train our own.
 
2013-11-03 11:12:11 PM

mamoru: Weaver95: Actual curses are pretty rare.

Or, you know, non-existent, based on there being no empirical evidence whatsoever to suggest that they are anything more than a combination of active imagination, fear, paranoia, confirmation bias, observational selection, and coincidence.

it takes some serious effort to work up anything that would require a hex breaker charm.

I doubt that. Just serious gullibility and/or delusion (on either the part of the caster, the victim, or both).

That said...it's also relatively easy to make a protection charm for yourself.  not to mention that the best spell work is that you do for and by yourself.

Just like the rock I use to keep tigers away. It works better because I found it myself instead of getting one of those cheap commercial knock-offs. Remind me to buy a drink for the guy who advised me on the qualities I should look for in a tiger-repelling rock, as well as how to find them.

paying a good deed forward.

I get that the intention is good and the heart is in the right place, but... I can't call spreading nonsense a good deed.


I bet your fun at parties!
 
2013-11-03 11:13:34 PM

baconbeard: I'm so torn. On one hand, I think "psychics" should be put up against the wall and shot. On the other hand, I think anyone stupid enough to believe in psychics should be put up against the wall and shot. What am I to do?


Get a longer wall?
 
2013-11-03 11:15:24 PM

MatrixOutsider: Has anyone figured out this one's MO?

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I despise that woman.  she's cold reading her audience and...not doing a very good job at it.
 
2013-11-03 11:16:17 PM

mamoru: I get that the intention is good and the heart is in the right place, but... I can't call spreading nonsense a good deed.


What of "spreading nonsense" resulted in a 50% drop in crime? Sure, people now believe that some spaghetti monster will drown them in bolognese sauce if they do wrong, but hey, it gets people to be nice.
 
2013-11-03 11:16:26 PM

uncoveror: All fortune tellers are fake. Any that think they are really clairvoyant are crazy.


I knew you were going to say that
 
2013-11-03 11:20:40 PM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: I put my trust in crystals bought from a kiosk at the mall.


You stick them in your butt, don't you?
 
2013-11-03 11:22:05 PM

Myria: However, the idea of banning religion also scares me, because we ought to have the right to think as we please.  A society that bans religion is probably just as bad as a theocracy.


No one is suggesting a ban on religious thought, especially as freedom of religious belief is exactly what allows me to be an atheist in this era. Rather what you spoke of after which is the actual service. Faith healers attempt to shill the ability to lay on hands to cleanse cancer and a myriad of other maladies. Psychics attempt to shill the ability to contact the dead or read nonsense portents for the future. Both are fraudsters. Was about to speak about priests driving out demons being fraudsters, but I think priests conduct an exorcism to seek divine intervention rather than claim to exorcise demons through any personal ability except perhaps heavenly favor.

Folks are free to believe in ghosts and auras and prophecy and such nonsense, as folks are free to believe in the efficacy of homeopathy and chiropractic and assorted nutritionists and such pseudo/shaky science, but those make a testable claim, and if you sell anything which simply does not work this should be fraud.

To note, nothing wrong with psychics or similar who make apparent the entertainment nature of this, akin to being a mentalist but with more drama.
 
2013-11-03 11:23:15 PM

mrlewish: So.. what is the issue here?  What are they selling the Big religion isn't?


Big Religion is smart enough to avoid claims that can be verified while you're still alive to sue.
 
2013-11-03 11:26:19 PM

MatrixOutsider: Has anyone figured out this one's MO?


More like Long Island Extra Large
 
2013-11-03 11:26:29 PM

ArcadianRefugee: What of "spreading nonsense" resulted in a 50% drop in crime?


The assumption being the only short or long-term result from spreading nonsense being this reduction in crime, I would say we should be able to distill this nonsense into the effective but valid parts to further reduce crime. A positive made from nonsense is a positive which may be made from sense.
 
2013-11-03 11:29:56 PM
My latest aura picture says I am doing fine.
 
2013-11-03 11:32:17 PM

uncoveror: All fortune tellers are fake. Any that think they are really clairvoyant are crazy.


I dabbled in tarot cards at one point in my life. But I did it honestly(and didn't try to make money). I told people that the cards weren't magic. That they would come up randomly, just as we had shuffled them.

But, if you read the cards while thinking of your problem, they will help you solve your problem. They introduce new ideas into your thought process. Ultimately you answer your own question. But before the reading you weren't sure which direction to go.

The best thing is, your new path came from your own head, your own desires, your own suspicions.
 
2013-11-03 11:35:00 PM

FrancoFile: mrlewish: So.. what is the issue here?  What are they selling the Big religion isn't?

Unlike religion, they make you pay up front.

These snake-oil salesmen have more in common with Freudian analysis.


Ummm, are tithes paying off our vacation in heaven in between our last two reincarnations?
 
2013-11-03 11:43:06 PM
mamoru:

Oh cut out the preaching.
 
2013-11-03 11:43:16 PM

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2013-11-03 11:44:30 PM
Not all fortune tellers are fakes. I went to a fortune teller once. She said give me five dollars and I will predict your future. So I gave her five dollars. She told me that in the future I was going to die.
 
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