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(PennLive)   A bomb went off in Berlin, this is not a repeat from World War II   (pennlive.com) divider line 53
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2013-11-03 03:55:49 PM  
I blame Hitler!
 
2013-11-03 04:04:53 PM  
Huh?
Oh, not in Berlin.
*googles*
Ah, they defused it about six hours ago.
 
2013-11-03 04:09:14 PM  
Went off?
 
2013-11-03 04:09:43 PM  
No it didn't.
 
2013-11-03 04:09:57 PM  
if you rtfa, you'll note it is a repeat from WWII.
 
2013-11-03 04:10:18 PM  
Not a repeat, but indeed a leftover.
 
2013-11-03 04:14:57 PM  
Well, subby, if by saying a bomb going off in Berlin you mean a defused bomb in a city over 300 miles west of Berlin. In other news, subby congratulates the New York Yankees for winning the World Series this year!
 
2013-11-03 04:15:22 PM  
Dortmund, actually.

Hey, I should go check my dad's logbook - he might have dropped that one!
 
2013-11-03 04:17:22 PM  
Dortmund, in the Ruhr valley, which bore the brunt of the Allied attack on German manufacturing.
It's still an important industrial center.  We did bomb Berlin, but targets there didn't require the Two-Ton Tessie.
 
2013-11-03 04:18:49 PM  

skinink: Well, subby, if by saying a bomb going off in Berlin you mean a defused bomb in a city over 300 miles west of Berlin. In other news, subby congratulates the  New York Yankees Kansas City Cardinals

 for winning the World Series this year!

A more appropriate level of stupid.
 
2013-11-03 04:19:13 PM  
Those Jewish miscreants bombed the reichstag, didn't they?
 
2013-11-03 04:20:31 PM  

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: Hey, I should go check my dad's logbook - he might have dropped that one!


Yeah! 20 Feb 1945 biatches! Even from the grave my dad keeps whipping your sorry asses! From hell's heart he stabs at thee! Take that for being German!

Also, fark you Gelsenkirchen.
 
2013-11-03 04:21:24 PM  
At some point Farkmins need to start posting logins alongside greenlights (or submissions).  There is nothing correct about this headline, aside from 'bomb', and subby deserves a good public flogging.
 
2013-11-03 04:24:13 PM  
Oh so not some bizarre porn reference to Mz Berlin...
 
2013-11-03 04:25:50 PM  
This headline should really have the Fail tag. It's earned it.
 
2013-11-03 04:27:50 PM  

TheSwizz: At some point Farkmins need to start posting logins alongside greenlights (or submissions).  There is nothing correct about this headline, aside from 'bomb', and subby deserves a good public flogging.


There have been a few notable outings of subbies...Do not taunt the dynomite admin, they have been known to push that plunger to the shame and redfacedness of several subbies.
 
2013-11-03 04:29:42 PM  
Those EOD techs have the biggest clankin' balls.

"Yeah, guys - we have complete confidence in your skills. But before you get to work, we'll just evacuate, oh, 20,000 people or so. "

I read a fascinating interview with the leader of the German team handling this - incredibly serious guy, even for a German. When asked if he knew how many bombs he'd defused, he said that of course he did, but his team never discussed who had defused how many, because "competition is the wrong mindset for this work".
 
2013-11-03 04:39:04 PM  
Was there really a need to evacuate 20,000 people?  They know where the bomb is, so couldn't they just evacuate the immediate area?

Honest question, seems like overkill to this non-pyrotechnically inclined civilian.  Are 4000 pound bombs (using mid-1940's technology) THAT destructive?  What kind of damage could it do in this situation?
 
2013-11-03 04:42:43 PM  

somemoron: Was there really a need to evacuate 20,000 people?  They know where the bomb is, so couldn't they just evacuate the immediate area?

Honest question, seems like overkill to this non-pyrotechnically inclined civilian.  Are 4000 pound bombs (using mid-1940's technology) THAT destructive?  What kind of damage could it do in this situation?


My dad told me they'd first drop "blockbusters" to turn the city into kindling, then drop incendiaries to start a firestorm.

So I'd assume with the name "blockbusters" that the big bombs make a big kaboom.

But it's more likely just a precautionary/let's-not-get-sued-if-something-goes-wrong thing.
 
2013-11-03 04:43:46 PM  

somemoron: Was there really a need to evacuate 20,000 people?  They know where the bomb is, so couldn't they just evacuate the immediate area?

Honest question, seems like overkill to this non-pyrotechnically inclined civilian.  Are 4000 pound bombs (using mid-1940's technology) THAT destructive?  What kind of damage could it do in this situation?


It's probably buried deep enough that if it went off it would create a ground shock wave.  It could rupture gas lines or other underground utilities.  That's the reason for the evacuation - if there are 50 ruptured gas lines, the fire departments need a clear field to be able to tackle those without worrying about 20k people running around.
 
2013-11-03 04:47:20 PM  

somemoron: Was there really a need to evacuate 20,000 people?  They know where the bomb is, so couldn't they just evacuate the immediate area?

Honest question, seems like overkill to this non-pyrotechnically inclined civilian.  Are 4000 pound bombs (using mid-1940's technology) THAT destructive?  What kind of damage could it do in this situation?


Blockbuster bomb
 
GBB
2013-11-03 04:53:17 PM  

dywed88: skinink: Well, subby, if by saying a bomb going off in Berlin you mean a defused bomb in a city over 300 miles west of Berlin. In other news, subby congratulates the  New York Yankees Kansas City Cardinals Manchester United for winning the World Series this year!

A more appropriate level of stupid.


A more more appropriate level.
 
2013-11-03 04:56:20 PM  
ruptured gas lines..kids game...

THE ROAD IS LAVA
 
2013-11-03 05:04:35 PM  
Thanks for the info all - that's a hell of a lot of scary, actually.  All sorts of good reasons to get potential freaked out mobs out of the way before work begins.

Also, this little tidbit from the wiki Tom_Slick posted:

The 4,000 lb (1,800 kg) cookie was regarded as a particularly dangerous load to carry. Due to the airflow over the detonating pistols fitted in the nose, it would often explode even if dropped, i.e., jettisoned, in a supposedly "safe" unarmed state. Safety height above ground for dropping the 4,000 lb "cookie" was 6,000 ft; any lower and the dropping aircraft risked being damaged by the explosion:
"We were flying at 6,000 feet which was the minimum height to drop the 4,000 pounder. We dropped it in the middle of town [Koblenz], which gave the aircraft a hell of a belt, lifted it up and blew an escape hatch from out of the top".



That's 6000 feet away - just over a mile away - and they not only felt the blast but it blew out part of the aircraft.

Well... okay then.  *tiptoes very gently out of thread, holding breath*
 
2013-11-03 05:13:57 PM  
I set off a large bomb in my bathroom this morning. No one was evacuated. But the cat cleared out on his own.
 
2013-11-03 05:24:17 PM  
i41.tinypic.com
 
2013-11-03 05:35:00 PM  
Not at all improbable.  It's been almost a hundred years since the start of World War I, and farmers in Belgium and northern France still pull up almost a thousand tons of unexploded ordnance every year.  There's an engineering battalion in the French Army whose sole task is to travel around that part of the country and dispose of old bombs that make their way to the surface.
 
2013-11-03 05:39:43 PM  

Robo Beat: Not at all improbable.  It's been almost a hundred years since the start of World War I, and farmers in Belgium and northern France still pull up almost a thousand tons of unexploded ordnance every year.  There's an engineering battalion in the French Army whose sole task is to travel around that part of the country and dispose of old bombs that make their way to the surface.


WWI I'm guessing more likely shells than bombs.
 
2013-11-03 05:49:11 PM  

somemoron: Was there really a need to evacuate 20,000 people?  They know where the bomb is, so couldn't they just evacuate the immediate area?

Honest question, seems like overkill to this non-pyrotechnically inclined civilian.  Are 4000 pound bombs (using mid-1940's technology) THAT destructive?  What kind of damage could it do in this situation?


The nickname for this bomb was "blockbuster: because it was supposed to be able to destroy an entire city block.

See a 500 lbs bomb explode.
http://vimeo.com/48399328

plumbicon: Dortmund, in the Ruhr valley, which bore the brunt of the Allied attack on German manufacturing.
It's still an important industrial center.  We did bomb Berlin, but targets there didn't require the Two-Ton Tessie.


No, these types of bombs were dropped on Berlin and every other city. The blockbusters became a standard part of the bomb load for strategic bombers. These weren't bunker busters or anything like that. These were just really big bombs intended to do blast damage to structures making them more vulnerable to incendiaries.
 
2013-11-03 05:53:26 PM  

Robo Beat: Not at all improbable.  It's been almost a hundred years since the start of World War I, and farmers in Belgium and northern France still pull up almost a thousand tons of unexploded ordnance every year.  There's an engineering battalion in the French Army whose sole task is to travel around that part of the country and dispose of old bombs that make their way to the surface.


Hence the hymn :"We plough the fields and scatter".
 
2013-11-03 06:16:27 PM  

TheSwizz: At some point Farkmins need to start posting logins alongside greenlights (or submissions).  There is nothing correct about this headline, aside from 'bomb', and subby deserves a good public flogging.


THIS.

At least add a "stupid headline" button. I'd votey.
 
2013-11-03 06:20:43 PM  

plumbicon: Dortmund, in the Ruhr valley, which bore the brunt of the Allied attack on German manufacturing.
It's still an important industrial center.  We did bomb Berlin, but targets there didn't require the Two-Ton Tessie.


The RAF would drop "blockbuster" bombs along with the incendiaries to break water mains and knock down buildings, which would make them burn easier. Some had delay timer fuses on them to hinder firefighting efforts as well. Apparently a lot of bombs buried into the ground and never went off considering how often this kind of story pops up.
 
2013-11-03 06:30:28 PM  

Bendal: The RAF would drop "blockbuster" bombs along with the incendiaries to break water mains and knock down buildings, which would make them burn easier. Some had delay timer fuses on them to hinder firefighting efforts as well. Apparently a lot of bombs buried into the ground and never went off considering how often this kind of story pops up.


Incendiaries were dropped AFTER the blockbusters, not with.
 
2013-11-03 06:41:17 PM  
In these instances, he has to cut off the end of the bomb that contains the fuse with a circular saw controlled remotely from over 900ft away.
'This can take two hours. When the fuse is due to drop, it's someone's task to catch it before it hits the ground. A fuse with an explosive charge of a few ounces is powerful enough to kill.

Kinast and his colleagues don't wear Hurt Locker-style protective suits.
'That's fine for a 4lb IED, but it's heavy and cumbersome and would give no protection from these things.
They evacuate an area of about 1.5 miles from a 4000 pounds bomb because shrapnel can go that far.
 
2013-11-03 06:41:58 PM  
Iron Harvest, I learned in a fark thread once.
 
2013-11-03 07:04:49 PM  
Of course it isn't a repeat. The A-bomb went off in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
 
2013-11-03 07:15:08 PM  
Poop joke
 
2013-11-03 07:33:48 PM  
Honest injun?

I love the germans. The are a nice people.

If there was any way we cold find the culprit, I am all for that.
 
2013-11-03 07:54:14 PM  
If subby wrote headline, he (one presumes) didn't research quite far enough. Dortmund doesn't/didn't = Berlin now, then or anytime.
 
2013-11-03 08:12:58 PM  
A few years ago I was on a business trip to Berlin.  Myself (an American) and my British colleague were walking around the downtown and waiting to cross the street to the Breitscheidplatz which is plaza containing the Kaiser Wilhelm Memorial Church.  For those who have never gone to Berlin, said church has a steeple which was partially collapsed due to the bombing in WWII. The Germans kept it as is as a memorial.

Anyhow, we're waiting for the walk signal and it's middle of the day and there is a fairly large crowd waiting to cross. My English colleague is staring at the bombed steeple and in a way overly loud voice to me goes, "Did you do that or did we do that?".

/Well couldn't be me, I was never a WWII bomber crewman
//Looked it up later. Night raid did it, so it's the Brits.
 
2013-11-03 09:11:44 PM  
while I was stationed in Okinawa some construction workers digging a hole in a high school field a hundred meters from my apartment found a hundred 500 lbs. bombs.   the JDF person evacuating the apartment complex tried to explain to me and handed me a bulletin.  but being a Marine in a country where the speak some other language than English...  I ignored him and did not find out about it until I read about it in Stars and Stripes the next day.
 
2013-11-03 09:15:16 PM  

KarmicDisaster: Robo Beat: Not at all improbable.  It's been almost a hundred years since the start of World War I, and farmers in Belgium and northern France still pull up almost a thousand tons of unexploded ordnance every year.  There's an engineering battalion in the French Army whose sole task is to travel around that part of the country and dispose of old bombs that make their way to the surface.

WWI I'm guessing more likely shells than bombs.


Not necessarily, they were still using a lot of artillery during WWII.
 
2013-11-03 10:35:59 PM  

KarmicDisaster: Robo Beat: Not at all improbable.  It's been almost a hundred years since the start of World War I, and farmers in Belgium and northern France still pull up almost a thousand tons of unexploded ordnance every year.  There's an engineering battalion in the French Army whose sole task is to travel around that part of the country and dispose of old bombs that make their way to the surface.

WWI I'm guessing more likely shells than bombs.


Well, a shell is a bomb.

And there are will be aerial bombs popping up among artillery shells, mortar bombs, land mines and any other kinds of other explosives.
 
2013-11-03 10:41:14 PM  

dywed88: KarmicDisaster: Robo Beat: Not at all improbable.  It's been almost a hundred years since the start of World War I, and farmers in Belgium and northern France still pull up almost a thousand tons of unexploded ordnance every year.  There's an engineering battalion in the French Army whose sole task is to travel around that part of the country and dispose of old bombs that make their way to the surface.

WWI I'm guessing more likely shells than bombs.

Well, a shell is a bomb.

And there are will be aerial bombs popping up among artillery shells, mortar bombs, land mines and any other kinds of other explosives.


Eh, the common parlance for military weapons (as opposed to terrorist stuff) is that shell=fired from a gun, bomb=dropped from a plane.

/yes, they both are filled with explosives and triggered by some kind of detonator.
 
2013-11-03 10:47:30 PM  

CasperImproved: Honest injun?

I love the germans. The are a nice people.

If there was any way we cold find the culprit, I am all for that.


I meant "could"... I also wish I could spell better sometimes.
 
2013-11-03 10:48:14 PM  
Blockbusters are still around?  I thought the last one would have closed by now.

Still, I can imagine the German bomb squad going out to investigate the usual 500-1000lb bomb (they find those all the time apparently) and taking a big bulb when they see the actual device.   It still astounds me the amount of unexploded dumb ordinance floating around from a century of warfare.  Bomb, shells, the occasional mine...   There are apparently still parts of North Africa where you do NOT want to leave the highway and go off-roading.
 
2013-11-03 10:54:32 PM  

DrunkWithImpotence: Blockbusters are still around?  I thought the last one would have closed by now.

Still, I can imagine the German bomb squad going out to investigate the usual 500-1000lb bomb (they find those all the time apparently) and taking a big bulb when they see the actual device.   It still astounds me the amount of unexploded dumb ordinance floating around from a century of warfare.  Bomb, shells, the occasional mine...   There are apparently still parts of North Africa where you do NOT want to leave the highway and go off-roading.


I have had four years to spend on getting to know Germans in there own space..

I can't imagine a "people" that I would like more. If I were not an American?  I would want to be German. That is how nice I think they are.
 
2013-11-03 11:21:13 PM  

FrancoFile: dywed88: KarmicDisaster: Robo Beat: Not at all improbable.  It's been almost a hundred years since the start of World War I, and farmers in Belgium and northern France still pull up almost a thousand tons of unexploded ordnance every year.  There's an engineering battalion in the French Army whose sole task is to travel around that part of the country and dispose of old bombs that make their way to the surface.

WWI I'm guessing more likely shells than bombs.

Well, a shell is a bomb.

And there are will be aerial bombs popping up among artillery shells, mortar bombs, land mines and any other kinds of other explosives.

Eh, the common parlance for military weapons (as opposed to terrorist stuff) is that shell=fired from a gun, bomb=dropped from a plane.

/yes, they both are filled with explosives and triggered by some kind of detonator.


Also mortar bombs.
 
2013-11-04 01:18:30 AM  

paleryder69: TheSwizz: At some point Farkmins need to start posting logins alongside greenlights (or submissions).  There is nothing correct about this headline, aside from 'bomb', and subby deserves a good public flogging.

There have been a few notable outings of subbies...Do not taunt the dynomite admin, they have been known to push that plunger to the shame and redfacedness of several subbies.


It'd be more appropriate if the admin who greenlighted this outed himself/herself.
 
2013-11-04 02:23:13 AM  
Anyone mention the farking thing didn't go off  yet??? Because it didn't go off...

Hey subby, learn to farking read, ya "moran":   http://www.readingbear.org/
 
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