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(Salon)   JFK was not a Conservative. Republicans are full of shiat   (salon.com) divider line 301
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2013-11-03 03:29:40 PM
Really?
 
2013-11-03 03:31:05 PM
This doofus was on the Cycle and about as convincing as you'd expect.
 
2013-11-03 03:31:10 PM
Both valid points in and of themselves.
 
2013-11-03 03:32:58 PM
He started the Vietnam war. Nixon the Republican ended it.

MIND BLOWN
 
2013-11-03 03:33:20 PM
Wait, who's trying to re-write JFK as a conservative?  I mean, really?
 
2013-11-03 03:35:10 PM
I hadn't heard of the right embracing a fantasy version of JFK. When did this become a thing?
 
2013-11-03 03:35:34 PM
Ike must have been a secret Black, because the modern GOP hates his ever loving red blooded 4-star, american guts. The JFK lie isn't about co-oping JFK, it's about not praising Ike for anything.
 
2013-11-03 03:35:39 PM
I think that this is some kind of reaction to pointing out that Reagan's and Nixon's policies would look liberal when viewed by today's definitions of Liberal/Conservative.  That's not to say either of them were liberal - they certainly weren't by the definitions of their times.  But's that's a very subtle nuance beyond the ability of people who think like children.
 
2013-11-03 03:38:38 PM

super_grass: He started the Vietnam war. Nixon the Republican ended it.

MIND BLOWN


Eisen be thinkin' you trolling.
 
2013-11-03 03:40:00 PM
MLK and JFK are well-known conservatives. Nixon was the biggest libulard that ever libularded.
 
2013-11-03 03:40:26 PM
LOL, some people think Kennedy was a conservative.  That's hilarious.
 
2013-11-03 03:40:36 PM
Right on both counts, subby.
 
2013-11-03 03:40:44 PM
I wonder if the people on the far right ever feel bad about being such pathetic liars.  Maybe that's why they're so angry all the time.
 
2013-11-03 03:40:59 PM

Notabunny: I hadn't heard of the right embracing a fantasy version of JFK. When did this become a thing?


Me neither.
 
2013-11-03 03:41:31 PM

thismomentinblackhistory: super_grass: He started the Vietnam war. Nixon the Republican ended it.

MIND BLOWN

Eisen be thinkin' you trolling.


JFK's magic time machine
 
2013-11-03 03:45:09 PM
JFK was not a Conservative. Republicans are full of shiat


Well, I would think the constant airport bathroom butt-plugging would have emptied them out a little.
 
2013-11-03 03:45:47 PM
He can't have been a conservative. His extramarital lovers were women.
 
2013-11-03 03:45:54 PM

Britney Spear's Speculum: Notabunny: I hadn't heard of the right embracing a fantasy version of JFK. When did this become a thing?

Me neither.


They're forget it and deny ever advancing it a week after the anniversary of his death.  Just like they do with MLK.
 
2013-11-03 03:46:08 PM
Abe Linkin started the Tea Party.
 
2013-11-03 03:46:47 PM
Really?

I've seen people point at the JFK cut taxes on the wealthy, but I haven't yet seen them try to full-on co-opt him the way they've been trying to do with MLK.

Not saying I doubt it, or even find it surprising.  Their whole modus operandi the past few years seems to be going through history, rewriting it point-by-point takingeverything popular and saying "conservatives did it!" and pointing at everything unpopular and saying "that's liberal"
 
2013-11-03 03:47:10 PM

Britney Spear's Speculum: Notabunny: I hadn't heard of the right embracing a fantasy version of JFK. When did this become a thing?

Me neither.


Usually it's the notion that he was a supply-side theorist with his tax cuts, which ignores that supply-side didn't exist as an economic theory and that the cuts were demand-driven, aka Keynesian.
 
2013-11-03 03:47:19 PM
Neither was Reagan, if you think about what passes for "conservative" these days.

Of course, these are the same kind of reality-challenged folks who believe MLK was a Republican, so...
 
2013-11-03 03:47:24 PM

bwilson27: Abe Linkin started the Tea Party.


Bill Clinton started Linkin Park.
 
2013-11-03 03:47:32 PM
Thank god it's Salon, for a second there I thought it actually happened.
 
2013-11-03 03:47:55 PM

technicolor-misfit: Really?

I've seen people point at the JFK cut taxes on the wealthy, but I haven't yet seen them try to full-on co-opt him the way they've been trying to do with MLK.

Not saying I doubt it, or even find it surprising.  Their whole modus operandi the past few years seems to be going through history, rewriting it point-by-point takingeverything popular and saying "conservatives did it!" and pointing at everything unpopular and saying "that's liberal"


I think i remember Limbaugh doing it when he had a TV show.
 
2013-11-03 03:49:48 PM
"If by a "Liberal" they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people-their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights and their civil liberties-someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a "Liberal", then I'm proud to say I'm a "Liberal."

-John F. Kennedy
 
2013-11-03 03:51:05 PM
Just remember... reality and facts are kryptonite to the republicans.
 
2013-11-03 03:52:29 PM
Hell, by today's definition, Barry Goldwater wasn't a conservative either. Nor would he want to be. But back in the day, he was considered the biggest conservative to ever conserve conservatively in conserve-a-tard history.

/my once conservative mother told me that she would have voted for Goldwater, but she was afraid he was going to blow up the planet
 
2013-11-03 03:53:38 PM

HMS_Blinkin: Wait, who's trying to re-write JFK as a conservative?  I mean, really?


Rush Limbaugh has been trotting this old chestnut out for years.  He cherry picks particular quotes that he likes, and builds the argument around that.
 
2013-11-03 03:54:10 PM
"I must have missed that issue of Time Magazine."

When did we start calling JFK conservative?
 
2013-11-03 03:54:19 PM

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Hell, by today's definition, Barry Goldwater wasn't a conservative either. Nor would he want to be. But back in the day, he was considered the biggest conservative to ever conserve conservatively in conserve-a-tard history.

/my once conservative mother told me that she would have voted for Goldwater, but she was afraid he was going to blow up the planet


And most liberals 50 years ago wouldn't be called liberal today.

It's as- as if the meanings behind labels change, and shoehorning politicians of the past into today's political system is a pointless enterprise.
 
2013-11-03 03:55:44 PM

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: /my once conservative mother told me that she would have voted for Goldwater, but she was afraid he was going to blow up the planet


Well, that was pretty much his platform.
 
2013-11-03 03:57:26 PM

ShawnDoc: HMS_Blinkin: Wait, who's trying to re-write JFK as a conservative?  I mean, really?

Rush Limbaugh has been trotting this old chestnut out for years.  He cherry picks particular quotes that he likes, and builds the argument around that.



Wow, first and only quote involving rush limbaugh, horseplay, and a subject with an old adjective.
 
2013-11-03 03:58:01 PM

ShawnDoc: Rush Limbaugh has been trotting this old chestnut out for years. He cherry picks particular quotes that he likes, and builds the argument around that.


Now hold on a second there, buster. That doesn't sound like the Rush Limbaugh I know.
 
2013-11-03 03:59:57 PM

missiv: Ike must have been a secret Black, because the modern GOP hates his ever loving red blooded 4-star, american guts. The JFK lie isn't about co-oping JFK, it's about not praising Ike for anything.


Ike was the very last remnant of the Republican progressive movement.
 
2013-11-03 04:00:45 PM

super_grass: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Hell, by today's definition, Barry Goldwater wasn't a conservative either. Nor would he want to be. But back in the day, he was considered the biggest conservative to ever conserve conservatively in conserve-a-tard history.

/my once conservative mother told me that she would have voted for Goldwater, but she was afraid he was going to blow up the planet

And most liberals 50 years ago wouldn't be called liberal today.

It's as- as if the meanings behind labels change, and shoehorning politicians of the past into today's political system is a pointless enterprise.


I'm pretty sure they would. And I'm pretty sure they'd support the same civil and economic rights issues voiced at the march on Washington.
 
2013-11-03 04:03:18 PM

Notabunny: I hadn't heard of the right embracing a fantasy version of JFK. When did this become a thing?


Around the same time they started claiming that Martin Luther King Jr. was a conservative.
 
2013-11-03 04:03:39 PM

missiv: Ike must have been a secret Black, because the modern GOP hates his ever loving red blooded 4-star, american guts. The JFK lie isn't about co-oping JFK, it's about not praising Ike for anything.


Yeah, I'd think that the cons would hail Ike as a hero. He led our army in Europe and he was a pretty good president. But then I remembered that the cons live in an alternative universe where FDR was an evil progressive commie and any one associated with his is inherently an evil socialist commie.
 
2013-11-03 04:04:59 PM

super_grass: He started the Vietnam war. Nixon the Republican ended it.

MIND BLOWN


Ah, no. Eisenhower started American local involvement. Kennedy expanded that, but didn't start it. Nor did Nixon end a war. He pulled the US out. Believe me, ther is a difference. Nixon's peace with honour speech is one of the most unmitigated pieces of bald faced bullshiat of the twentieth century.
 
2013-11-03 04:06:09 PM
Cooked up the idea of the Green Berets and got us into Vietnam, had affairs with various hotties, sounds like a conservative to me.
 
2013-11-03 04:07:35 PM

Aquapope: I think that this is some kind of reaction to pointing out that Reagan's and Nixon's policies would look liberal when viewed by today's definitions of Liberal/Conservative.  That's not to say either of them were liberal - they certainly weren't by the definitions of their times.  But's that's a very subtle nuance beyond the ability of people who think like children.


I first read your last line as "people who think like chickens". Meh, either works...
 
2013-11-03 04:08:36 PM

super_grass: He started the Vietnam war. Nixon the Republican ended it.

MIND BLOWN


Correction.  Johnson almost ended it.  Nixon sabotaged the peace efforts.  Nixon got elected a few days later.  Then Nixon ended the war.

TA DA!
 
2013-11-03 04:09:56 PM
Liberals should start actively claiming Ronald Reagan just to troll them back.

There's plenty to work with... He began his political career as a Democrat. He was a union president. His father was an active Democrat and the Reagan family was saved from ruin by F.D.R.'s WPA, which employed both his father and his older brother Neil.

Cherry-pick a few quotes, positions, or votes, and tie it all together with the rightward shift of American politics over the past 40+ years and we can make a convincing argument to infuriate the dittohead clan.
 
2013-11-03 04:09:57 PM

blue_2501: super_grass: He started the Vietnam war. Nixon the Republican ended it.

MIND BLOWN

Correction.  Johnson almost ended it.  Nixon sabotaged the peace efforts.  Nixon got elected a few days later.  Then Nixon ended the war.

TA DA!


Of course they did *rollseyes*
 
2013-11-03 04:10:18 PM

Sock Ruh Tease: He can't have been a conservative. His extramarital lovers were women.



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2013-11-03 04:10:42 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: Cooked up the idea of the Green Berets and got us into Vietnam, had affairs with various hotties, sounds like a conservative to me.


The difference is in JFK's place, the hotties were women.
 
2013-11-03 04:11:31 PM
If JFK was a liberal, then why was he killed in a Lincoln instead of a Prius?

Checkmate, libtards
 
2013-11-03 04:12:42 PM

technicolor-misfit: Liberals should start actively claiming Ronald Reagan just to troll them back.

There's plenty to work with... He began his political career as a Democrat. He was a union president. His father was an active Democrat and the Reagan family was saved from ruin by F.D.R.'s WPA, which employed both his father and his older brother Neil.

Cherry-pick a few quotes, positions, or votes, and tie it all together with the rightward shift of American politics over the past 40+ years and we can make a convincing argument to infuriate the dittohead clan.


Reagan was the first President to have an openly gay couple stay over at the White House.
 
2013-11-03 04:12:48 PM

super_grass: Thank god it's Salon, for a second there I thought it actually happened.


Oh, it did. Salon is Heavily left biased, true. The book in question is by Ira Stoll and reads like American Thinker.
 
2013-11-03 04:14:18 PM

super_grass: blue_2501: super_grass: He started the Vietnam war. Nixon the Republican ended it.

MIND BLOWN

Correction.  Johnson almost ended it.  Nixon sabotaged the peace efforts.  Nixon got elected a few days later.  Then Nixon ended the war.

TA DA!

Of course they did *rollseyes*


Nixon did sabotage the peace efforts
 
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