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(WFTV Orlando)   Burger King robbed by man with an assault rifle. That seems an excessive amount of firepower just to get $89 and a Whopper   (wftv.com) divider line 102
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2013-11-03 03:11:31 PM

iheartscotch: / originally, ARs were temperamental; they need to be cleaned a lot more than other contemporary guns; like the ak47 or m-14 . It took a unauthorized letter from a GI to a congressman to fix the problem.


If I remember correctly it also had to do with using lower quality powders and telling the troops the rifles were 'self cleaning'. No one had cleaning kits, so they would eventualy get dirty and fouled with carbon and jam. Plus the orignal M16 had no foward assist, so if the round didn't fully seat, you got screwed.
 
2013-11-03 03:14:19 PM
SirEattonHogg:

/wait is this a gun thread or a burger thread?... seems more of the former.

It's a good thing the guy didn't rob a pizza joint.
 
2013-11-03 03:23:19 PM

Mister Peejay: SirEattonHogg:

/wait is this a gun thread or a burger thread?... seems more of the former.

It's a good thing the guy didn't rob a pizza joint.


I see what you did there
 
2013-11-03 03:24:44 PM

MythDragon: iheartscotch: / originally, ARs were temperamental; they need to be cleaned a lot more than other contemporary guns; like the ak47 or m-14 . It took a unauthorized letter from a GI to a congressman to fix the problem.

If I remember correctly it also had to do with using lower quality powders and telling the troops the rifles were 'self cleaning'. No one had cleaning kits, so they would eventualy get dirty and fouled with carbon and jam. Plus the orignal M16 had no foward assist, so if the round didn't fully seat, you got screwed.


That was part of it too. There are a few types of gunpowder. Of those; two are very popular with the military. They are ball shaped and bar shaped. One is a lot dirtier than the other; I don't remember which. I do know that our soldiers didn't have cleaning kits for the rifle; but, not why.

/ the history channel did a big special on the m-16; back before it was all about alien nazi zombies from Planet X
 
2013-11-03 03:26:47 PM
pxlboy:
Agreed. Burger porn thread?

Looks good. restaurant?


Mister Peejay:
/wait is this a gun thread or a burger thread?... seems more of the former.

It's a good thing the guy didn't rob a pizza joint.


There was like 3 or 4 pizza threads in the past week.  Yeah, yeah, Chicago pie is considered casserole by some folks.  I get it!
 
2013-11-03 03:34:39 PM

zulius: [atlantablackstar.com image 350x400]
I'm first, really? It's a shotgun...fast food...and a stick-up!


Nope, you're not. You lose.

i184.photobucket.com
 
2013-11-03 03:36:07 PM

SirEattonHogg: pxlboy:
Agreed. Burger porn thread?

Looks good. restaurant?


Mister Peejay:
/wait is this a gun thread or a burger thread?... seems more of the former.

It's a good thing the guy didn't rob a pizza joint.

There was like 3 or 4 pizza threads in the past week.  Yeah, yeah, Chicago pie is considered casserole by some folks.  I get it!


I meant, the stupid discussions regarding having a 2-topping limit on pizzas since an artery assailant will just carry that any more pizzas with him while the law-abiding citizens will not.

And this is avoiding the whole issue of whether cheese is a topping or not, which is a VERY hot topic.
 
2013-11-03 03:37:13 PM
He had it his way
 
2013-11-03 03:56:53 PM

Pointy Tail of Satan: I propose "semi-assault rifle".


Seconded.
 
2013-11-03 04:25:13 PM
I have a confession to make. Between the Whopper, the Big Mac, and Wendy's normal burger, I like the Whopper the best.

Please don't hate me.

/Twisted Root is better, though.
 
2013-11-03 04:41:20 PM

Snarfangel: I have a confession to make. Between the Whopper, the Big Mac, and Wendy's normal burger, I like the Whopper the best.

Please don't hate me.

/Twisted Root is better, though.


Spicy Chicken Sandwich is the way to go.
 
2013-11-03 04:44:39 PM
Why didn't they just defend themselves with an assault knife?
 
2013-11-03 04:48:30 PM
Laws against robbery didn't deter him, so therefore we shouldn't have any laws on robbery since criminals don't obey them.

Also BK is a gun free store, and that didn't stop him from stealing a Whopper so therefore Diane Feinstein and such as.
 
2013-11-03 04:52:53 PM
They do have a damned good chicken sandwich (if they still have those massive tendercrisp sandwiches..)
 
2013-11-03 04:56:55 PM
Was it a Glock assault rifle?
 
2013-11-03 05:19:32 PM
I was sorely disappointed the last time I went both BK and Mcdonalds. Both chains have let their quality fall horribly.
 
2013-11-03 05:22:47 PM

Pointy Tail of Satan: I propose "semi-assault rifle".


How about we call the "rape rifles"?

justtray: Laws against robbery didn't deter him, so therefore we shouldn't have any laws on robbery since criminals don't obey them.

Also BK is a gun free store, and that didn't stop him from stealing a Whopper so therefore Diane Feinstein and such as.

Well, study it out.
 
2013-11-03 05:24:28 PM

viscountalpha: I was sorely disappointed the last time I went both BK and Mcdonalds. Both chains have let their quality fall horribly.


McDonald's fries are now somehow bad. Happened in the last 18 months or so (at least here in SoCal).
 
2013-11-03 05:24:34 PM
This is exactly why places like Wal-Mart and Starbucks start to get antsy when people exercise their open carry 'rights' inside of their businesses.
 
2013-11-03 05:34:45 PM
Obligatory...
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2013-11-03 05:41:44 PM

willfullyobscure: Whopper > Big Mac times a million.


It's just a better sandwich, period.


And Baconator leaves both in the dust.

/if the other ingredients were good, you wouldn't need that flavored mayonnaise 'sauce'
 
2013-11-03 06:19:32 PM

snowjack: Obligatory...
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Obligatory response.
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2013-11-03 06:45:56 PM

Fark It: >$900 rifle (assuming it wasn't a .22 or airsoft, which I think is a much stronger likelihood than an actual "assault rifle") and you knock off a BK?

He must be one of those idiots who panic bought his AR at triple the market price and is now desperate for rent money.


No. The article says it was an Assault Rifle. Legal assault rifles are worth WAY WAY more than $900. Even one in bad condition is worth at least $5000.

I am curious how they know it is an Assault Rifle though. It doesn't sound like he fired it or left it behind, and they haven't caught him yet. So how do they know? Very strange.
 
2013-11-03 06:54:19 PM

arentol: Fark It: >$900 rifle (assuming it wasn't a .22 or airsoft, which I think is a much stronger likelihood than an actual "assault rifle") and you knock off a BK?

He must be one of those idiots who panic bought his AR at triple the market price and is now desperate for rent money.

No. The article says it was an Assault Rifle. Legal assault rifles are worth WAY WAY more than $900. Even one in bad condition is worth at least $5000.

I am curious how they know it is an Assault Rifle though. It doesn't sound like he fired it or left it behind, and they haven't caught him yet. So how do they know? Very strange.


Here's something that looks like an assault rifle to me for $800.  What would make that not an assault rifle?
 
2013-11-03 07:14:04 PM

TuteTibiImperes: arentol: Fark It: >$900 rifle (assuming it wasn't a .22 or airsoft, which I think is a much stronger likelihood than an actual "assault rifle") and you knock off a BK?

He must be one of those idiots who panic bought his AR at triple the market price and is now desperate for rent money.

No. The article says it was an Assault Rifle. Legal assault rifles are worth WAY WAY more than $900. Even one in bad condition is worth at least $5000.

I am curious how they know it is an Assault Rifle though. It doesn't sound like he fired it or left it behind, and they haven't caught him yet. So how do they know? Very strange.

Here's something that looks like an assault rifle to me for $800.  What would make that not an assault rifle?


It is semi-auto only no select fire switch for full auto or burst fire.

I disagree on the price being in the 5,000 range for an assualt rifle, especially if you allready have your class 3 license that said you aren't looking at a finished decent quality firearm for less than around a grand usually. At least you weren't last time I went pricing a couple of years ago...
 
2013-11-03 07:19:45 PM

Maxor: Here's something that looks like an assault rifle to me for $800.  What would make that not an assault rifle?


Does something have to be full auto to be an assault rifle?  I'm not a gun expert, but to me 'assault rifle' just means that it has to be a rifle with a pistol grip, a detachable magazine, places to attach accessories like scopes or bayonets, and maybe a collapsable stock.
 
2013-11-03 07:26:21 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Maxor: Here's something that looks like an assault rifle to me for $800.  What would make that not an assault rifle?

Does something have to be full auto to be an assault rifle?  I'm not a gun expert, but to me 'assault rifle' just means that it has to be a rifle with a pistol grip, a detachable magazine, places to attach accessories like scopes or bayonets, and maybe a collapsable stock.


That term can apply to any off the wall long gun if you attach some plastic parts. Plastic parts don't make bullets kill better. That's like saying that adding a spoiler and stickers to your ford fiesta makes it a racecar. Also: ASSAULT RIFLE. By U.S. Army definition, a selective-fire rifle chambered for a cartridge of intermediate power... I'll bet a year of TF this wasn't a selective-fire rifle
 
2013-11-03 07:35:57 PM

willfullyobscure: Whopper > Big Mac times a million.


It's just a better sandwich, period.



It's different, not better IMHO. I like both, a few times a year. Of course I'm fasting for a colonoscopy right now so I'd eat anything.
 
2013-11-03 07:37:36 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Maxor: Here's something that looks like an assault rifle to me for $800.  What would make that not an assault rifle?

Does something have to be full auto to be an assault rifle?  I'm not a gun expert, but to me 'assault rifle' just means that it has to be a rifle with a pistol grip, a detachable magazine, places to attach accessories like scopes or bayonets, and maybe a collapsable stock.


Its one of those nifty points where the generally agreed on military defination of the term is a select fire weapon firing an intermediate round (smaller than a typical rifle round on powder charge cartridge size and weight of bullet, yet larger than a pistol round) that's an assualt rifle.

In the 1980s congress passed an 'assault weapons" ban, which banned guns with 2 or more of certain features and other models of guns by name, of which your list above is generally in agreement with. (I really don't feel like grabbing the whole list right now). Thing was the qualities listed while making a gun slightly handier to use didn't really make it any more deadly they just made it slightly more menacing looking for some people which didn't fit with the sound bites about why it was passed.

Most people with much knowledge of firearms consider the assualt rifle term to be one with meaning and the assault weapon one to be one with very little in part because if I take a civil war muzzle loader and restock it with a stock with a hole for my thumb under the wording of an assault weapon the single shot black powder rifle would qualify.
 
2013-11-03 07:40:36 PM
To be clear and shorten "assault rifle" has a semi official defination "assault weapon" used to in law though it was a bullshiat half assed meaningless set of reglations that just was an attempted gun grab.
 
2013-11-03 07:43:02 PM

Maxor: TuteTibiImperes: Maxor: Here's something that looks like an assault rifle to me for $800.  What would make that not an assault rifle?

Does something have to be full auto to be an assault rifle?  I'm not a gun expert, but to me 'assault rifle' just means that it has to be a rifle with a pistol grip, a detachable magazine, places to attach accessories like scopes or bayonets, and maybe a collapsable stock.

Its one of those nifty points where the generally agreed on military defination of the term is a select fire weapon firing an intermediate round (smaller than a typical rifle round on powder charge cartridge size and weight of bullet, yet larger than a pistol round) that's an assualt rifle.

In the 1980s congress passed an 'assault weapons" ban, which banned guns with 2 or more of certain features and other models of guns by name, of which your list above is generally in agreement with. (I really don't feel like grabbing the whole list right now). Thing was the qualities listed while making a gun slightly handier to use didn't really make it any more deadly they just made it slightly more menacing looking for some people which didn't fit with the sound bites about why it was passed.

Most people with much knowledge of firearms consider the assualt rifle term to be one with meaning and the assault weapon one to be one with very little in part because if I take a civil war muzzle loader and restock it with a stock with a hole for my thumb under the wording of an assault weapon the single shot black powder rifle would qualify.


Gotcha.  Yeah, I was going with the popular definition instead of the military one I suppose.  Aren't weapons capable of full auto pretty much banned without a fairly arduous permit process anyway?  It seems that most things that the media and popular culture accept as assault rifles wouldn't meet the military definition.
 
2013-11-03 07:43:49 PM

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Black powder weapon which would be classified as an assault weapon.

 
2013-11-03 08:09:11 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Maxor: TuteTibiImperes: Maxor: Here's something that looks like an assault rifle to me for $800.  What would make that not an assault rifle?

Does something have to be full auto to be an assault rifle?  I'm not a gun expert, but to me 'assault rifle' just means that it has to be a rifle with a pistol grip, a detachable magazine, places to attach accessories like scopes or bayonets, and maybe a collapsable stock.

Its one of those nifty points where the generally agreed on military defination of the term is a select fire weapon firing an intermediate round (smaller than a typical rifle round on powder charge cartridge size and weight of bullet, yet larger than a pistol round) that's an assualt rifle.

In the 1980s congress passed an 'assault weapons" ban, which banned guns with 2 or more of certain features and other models of guns by name, of which your list above is generally in agreement with. (I really don't feel like grabbing the whole list right now). Thing was the qualities listed while making a gun slightly handier to use didn't really make it any more deadly they just made it slightly more menacing looking for some people which didn't fit with the sound bites about why it was passed.

Most people with much knowledge of firearms consider the assualt rifle term to be one with meaning and the assault weapon one to be one with very little in part because if I take a civil war muzzle loader and restock it with a stock with a hole for my thumb under the wording of an assault weapon the single shot black powder rifle would qualify.

Gotcha.  Yeah, I was going with the popular definition instead of the military one I suppose.  Aren't weapons capable of full auto pretty much banned without a fairly arduous permit process anyway?  It seems that most things that the media and popular culture accept as assault rifles wouldn't meet the military definition.


Isn't really a popular defination, I am going to be as asshole here and say first and foremost pick your term assault weapon or assault rifle. Assault weapons are A-ok, the ban expired you are good in most of the USA. Please check local ordinances, because you might live somewhere weird. As for assault rifles an weapon capable of fully automatice fire manufactured after a certain date in the late 1800s (I don't remember the date and don't feel like looking it up right now) this precludes most non crew served weapons. The law dates back to the 1930s and hasn't really been ammended. Before then you could order a tommy gun or BAR from the sears catalogue (literally true). A newer gun Requires a class 3 firearms license which usually go through anyways getting the ftl and other dealer and collectors licenses. Its not particularly in depth though fairly expensive and to keep it you generally have to show a few firearms transfers if you are registaring as a dealer and not a collector (
 
2013-11-03 09:12:52 PM

MichiganFTL: Black powder weapon which would be classified as an assault weapon.


Wow, you suck at Photoshop. And I draw stick figures.
 
2013-11-03 09:31:45 PM

hardinparamedic: MichiganFTL: Black powder weapon which would be classified as an assault weapon.

Wow, you suck at Photoshop. And I draw stick figures.


actually a step below that. I stole that from a GIS for black powder assault rifle.
 
2013-11-03 09:34:17 PM
Modern day Rob'in (in the) Hood.
 
2013-11-03 10:17:55 PM
Joke's on the robber.  They slipped an exploding fry pack into his food.
 
2013-11-03 10:24:12 PM

pxlboy: SirEattonHogg: willfullyobscure:   Whopper > Big Mac times a million.


It's just a better sandwich, period.

Whopper is better than McDonalds burgers.  I totally agree.  But everything else for BK sucks worse than McD. McD's coffee, fries and b-fast items are much better.

Anyhow, we have in-n-out here.  So I'm not doing either for lunch.

/wait is this a gun thread or a burger thread?... seems more of the former.

Agreed. Burger porn thread?

[foodporndaily.com image 850x566]


blog.rifftrax.com
Want.
 
2013-11-03 10:39:01 PM

ciberido: pxlboy: SirEattonHogg: willfullyobscure:   Whopper > Big Mac times a million.


It's just a better sandwich, period.

Whopper is better than McDonalds burgers.  I totally agree.  But everything else for BK sucks worse than McD. McD's coffee, fries and b-fast items are much better.

Anyhow, we have in-n-out here.  So I'm not doing either for lunch.

/wait is this a gun thread or a burger thread?... seems more of the former.

Agreed. Burger porn thread?

[foodporndaily.com image 850x566]

[blog.rifftrax.com image 211x242]
Want.


On the burger porn topic, have you noticed that the TV spokesperson for Red Robin is the woman who played the crazy neighbor from Two and Half Men?

/still playing the same character
//Red Robin is overpriced
 
2013-11-03 11:43:45 PM

TuteTibiImperes: arentol: Fark It: >$900 rifle (assuming it wasn't a .22 or airsoft, which I think is a much stronger likelihood than an actual "assault rifle") and you knock off a BK?

He must be one of those idiots who panic bought his AR at triple the market price and is now desperate for rent money.

No. The article says it was an Assault Rifle. Legal assault rifles are worth WAY WAY more than $900. Even one in bad condition is worth at least $5000.

I am curious how they know it is an Assault Rifle though. It doesn't sound like he fired it or left it behind, and they haven't caught him yet. So how do they know? Very strange.

Here's something that looks like an assault rifle to me for $800.  What would make that not an assault rifle?


The fact that it is not advertised as an automatic weapon and doesn't mention BATFE requirements for purchase, and that it has been illegal to make assault rifles for the civilian market in the USA since 1986, and the fact that it doesn't cost an arm and a leg as a real assault rifle would cost due to the scarcity caused by no new ones being made for civilians in the last 27 years?
 
2013-11-03 11:48:18 PM

SirEattonHogg: pxlboy:
Agreed. Burger porn thread?

Looks good. restaurant?


Mister Peejay:
/wait is this a gun thread or a burger thread?... seems more of the former.

It's a good thing the guy didn't rob a pizza joint.

There was like 3 or 4 pizza threads in the past week.  Yeah, yeah, Chicago pie is considered casserole by some folks.  I get it!


no idea..just a GIS for 'burger porn'
 
2013-11-03 11:54:01 PM

Maxor: TuteTibiImperes: arentol: Fark It: >$900 rifle (assuming it wasn't a .22 or airsoft, which I think is a much stronger likelihood than an actual "assault rifle") and you knock off a BK?

He must be one of those idiots who panic bought his AR at triple the market price and is now desperate for rent money.

No. The article says it was an Assault Rifle. Legal assault rifles are worth WAY WAY more than $900. Even one in bad condition is worth at least $5000.

I am curious how they know it is an Assault Rifle though. It doesn't sound like he fired it or left it behind, and they haven't caught him yet. So how do they know? Very strange.

Here's something that looks like an assault rifle to me for $800.  What would make that not an assault rifle?

It is semi-auto only no select fire switch for full auto or burst fire.

I disagree on the price being in the 5,000 range for an assualt rifle, especially if you allready have your class 3 license that said you aren't looking at a finished decent quality firearm for less than around a grand usually. At least you weren't last time I went pricing a couple of years ago...



Here is 3-year-old discussion of pricing on an AR-15 automatic lower, 10k+:

http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=6&f=22&t=296523

And another from earlier this year, 14k+:

http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-721073.html

Drop In Auto Sears might cost you less than the lowers discussed above, but they will still cost well more than 5k.

Sorry, civilian automatic weapons cost a LOT these days.
 
2013-11-03 11:56:01 PM

hardinparamedic: MichiganFTL: Black powder weapon which would be classified as an assault weapon.

Wow, you suck at Photoshop. And I draw stick figures.


Any luck on finding that semi-auto assault rifle reference?
 
2013-11-04 08:21:43 AM
All he wanted was to have it his way...
 
2013-11-04 09:41:15 AM

Mugato: Really, who robs a Burger King? Did he just watch Pulp Fiction and take Ringo's reasoning about robbing restaurants to heart? I guess it was somewhat smart to rob it at 11:00 pm, they might have had some decent money collected.

Does anyone get away with robbing anything anymore, with cameras everywhere covering everything?


Since those cameras seem to have the same resolution and frame rate as my circa 2004 cell phone I'd say this guy has nothing to worry about regarding video evidence.
 
2013-11-04 09:50:01 AM
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hardinparamedic: Assault Rifle is a general term for anything descended from the STG-44 rifle which the US and Russia based their AR-10/15 and AK-47/74 platforms from, and which features certain design and engineering functions derived from that.

It does NOT have to be a fully automatic rifle, per the literal definition.

/pedant moment.


Yes, it does per the literal definition. The certain design and feature that is most critical to the definition is that it be select fire.  AKA capable of firing automatic.
 
2013-11-04 09:53:55 AM

hardinparamedic: redmid17: It can be select fire. The point he is trying to make is that there is a .0000001% chance that the gun the guy used could be classified as an assault rifle.

True, it can be select fire, but it can also be semi-automatic. It's kind of a pedantic argument I'm having here rather than a practical application.

Really, depending on the aftermarket stock and sighting equipment, a Mini-14/30, Ruger 10/22, or M1 Carbine can be turned into an "assault rifle". It's a misnomer to label guns as such


You are wrong.  An assault rifle must be select fire, fire an intermediate cartridge and use a box magazine.  If the mini 14 is capable of auto or burst fire it can be an assault rifle as could the M1.  The ruger 10/22 can never be since it does not fire a intermediate cartridge.  The thompsan you mentioned above can not be either since it fires a pistol cartridge.
 
2013-11-04 10:01:33 AM

MythDragon: f I remember correctly it also had to do with using lower quality powders and telling the troops the rifles were 'self cleaning'. No one had cleaning kits, so they would eventualy get dirty and fouled with carbon and jam. Plus the orignal M16 had no foward assist, so if the round didn't fully seat, you got screwed.


The original design was tested with one kind of cartridge powder, when they went in to service a switch was made to an un tested powder that didn't work.  The guns shot dirtier than they ever should have, combined with the damp jungle environment,  And jamming was a huge issue. Which is why mil spec now requires a chromed barrell and chamber.

The issues people's grandpas had the weapon in Vietnam have literally been solved 50 years ago.

New Ar-15s, M4s, etc. have had something like 47 design improvemens just since the 90s.  Whatever issue some old timer had back in his serviceday is irrelavant when talking about Ar-15s pattern rifles today.
 
2013-11-04 10:04:44 AM

TuteTibiImperes: What would make that not an assault rifle?


It can't fire auto or burst.
 
2013-11-04 10:34:24 AM

manimal2878: TuteTibiImperes: What would make that not an assault rifle?

It can't fire auto or burst.


But...but...Clinton told me that if it has a pistol grip AND a magazine then it becomes an assault rifle

/and if it has a bayonet lug it becomes a Super Assault rifle.
//and if it has one of those shoulder things that goes up, it can shoot through schools and fire cop killer bullets.
 
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