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(WFTV Orlando)   Burger King robbed by man with an assault rifle. That seems an excessive amount of firepower just to get $89 and a Whopper   (wftv.com) divider line 102
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2013-11-03 11:54:13 AM  
So you're going to risk armed robbery and you pick BK as your target?  His clothes probably cost more than the register contents.
 
2013-11-03 12:07:39 PM  
>$900 rifle (assuming it wasn't a .22 or airsoft, which I think is a much stronger likelihood than an actual "assault rifle") and you knock off a BK?

He must be one of those idiots who panic bought his AR at triple the market price and is now desperate for rent money.
 
2013-11-03 12:19:19 PM  
Really, who robs a Burger King? Did he just watch Pulp Fiction and take Ringo's reasoning about robbing restaurants to heart? I guess it was somewhat smart to rob it at 11:00 pm, they might have had some decent money collected.

Does anyone get away with robbing anything anymore, with cameras everywhere covering everything?
 
2013-11-03 12:27:34 PM  
Well, that was a big mistake

/that Whopper is going to take two hands
 
2013-11-03 12:39:20 PM  

Mugato: Does anyone get away with robbing anything anymore, with cameras everywhere covering everything?


Is this a serious question?
 
2013-11-03 12:45:39 PM  
 I'm warning you. I will be forced to thrash you.
 
2013-11-03 12:46:22 PM  

Mugato: Really, who robs a Burger King? Did he just watch Pulp Fiction and take Ringo's reasoning about robbing restaurants to heart? I guess it was somewhat smart to rob it at 11:00 pm, they might have had some decent money collected.

Does anyone get away with robbing anything anymore, with cameras everywhere covering everything?


Cameras are surprisingly ineffective.

Over in the UK they spent BILLIONS install CCTV pretty much *everywhere*.  But it had little to no effect on crime rates or increased rates of finding suspects.  You can go on YouTube and find all sorts of videos of people stealing stuff, and it's generally some generic looking guy in a hoodie.

Even banks, which should have way more security than a Burger King have pretty poor track records.  This is a few years old, but...
http://www.redding.com/news/2009/jul/12/fbi-report-most-bank-robbers -g et-away-with-it/

Only 40% of suspects were caught.  And, while I don't have exact numbers, a lot of people are still getting caught by running their mouths off or buying stuff they couldn't afford and someone reporting them.
 
2013-11-03 12:47:45 PM  
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/approves
 
2013-11-03 12:48:47 PM  
This is how it's done: you start off with a less powerful weapon and trade up for a more lethal one.
Whoppers have probably contributed to more deaths than any AR's

/BTW, how are the new fries?
 
2013-11-03 12:52:10 PM  
Who even goes to Burger King any more?

I stopped at one for breakfast a while back with my oldest son... nobody else there at 7:30am on a weekday. Drove over the interstate and the McDonalds was PACKED. The drive-thru lane was backed out to the road.

WTF?

They just remodeled our town's BK, as well, adding those "million combination" soda machines, yet I rarely see more than 2 cars in the parking lot, and there is never a wait in the drive-thru. I don't do BK or McDs much, preferring to go to Rally's, Culvers or pretty much anywhere else, but between the two, I can't see any reason to put up with the long lines and crowds at McDs just to get their tasteless pap.
 
2013-11-03 12:54:02 PM  
All he wanted was breakfast.
 
2013-11-03 12:58:17 PM  

LesserEvil: Who even goes to Burger King any more?

I stopped at one for breakfast a while back with my oldest son... nobody else there at 7:30am on a weekday. Drove over the interstate and the McDonalds was PACKED. The drive-thru lane was backed out to the road.

WTF?


It's the same way here, too.  The last time I went to BK was when Sandy's tail knocked out some power lines and everything on the part of the street with decent fast food (Chinese place and Subway, mainly) was out, leaving McD and BK.  McD's was a line halfway around the block, nobody was at BK.

Yep.  The food still tastes burnt and flavorless and the coffee still tastes like some sort of cleaning solution, like they don't rinse the machines out after washing them.
 
2013-11-03 01:00:30 PM  

CrackpipeCardozo: Mugato: Does anyone get away with robbing anything anymore, with cameras everywhere covering everything?

Is this a serious question?


Fun fact of the day, Crackpipe:  Media doesn't report when Robberies are successful.  It doesn't help their cause to instill fear in the general public that crime is bad.

Now I'm not sure about Armed Robberies in general, but the FBI database shows you the percentage of Bank Robbery arrests.  And I'm sure you'd be very surprised to find out that a whopping 60% of Bank Robberies get away with it clean and clear.  Never an arrest.  The media isn't going to report that.  You'd have a slew of bank robberies every freaking day.  The question really becomes:  Is that 60% worth the 10-15 years in jail?  For me that is a resounding "NO".
 
2013-11-03 01:01:26 PM  
If I was there, I'd offer him 300 bucks for the rifle. Much better take than what he got.

/talked to someone who worked at KFC that got robbed for 40 bucks and a bucket of chicken.
 
2013-11-03 01:01:42 PM  
Still no love for the Mini-14 I see.  I really think our nation's psychos should at least give it a chance.  If it doesn't produce sufficient carnage and hysteria then I'll defer to the AR but I think it would get the job done. Just sayin.
 
2013-11-03 01:01:50 PM  
I go to BK's maybe once a year on average, just to switch things up.

Mister Peejay: the coffee still tastes like some sort of cleaning solution, like they don't rinse the machines out after washing them.


Once in college I got cranberry juice out a juice machine in the dining hall, and it smelled like over-chlorinated pool water. Yum.

Definitely didn't drink it.
 
2013-11-03 01:05:57 PM  

Fark It: >$900 rifle (assuming it wasn't a .22 or airsoft, which I think is a much stronger likelihood than an actual "assault rifle") and you knock off a BK?

He must be one of those idiots who panic bought his AR at triple the market price and is now desperate for rent money.


Don't you remember Jesus and the assault rifles and Whoppers parable?

Give a man a Whopper and he'll eat for a day. Teach him to rob restaurants and give him an assault rifle, and at worst he'll probably have three hots and a cot for a long time.
 
2013-11-03 01:11:38 PM  
wait, so they interviewed someone who has purchased burger king before, but wasn't even there at the time of the robbery? that's some excellent journalism right there.
 
2013-11-03 01:12:15 PM  

Sid_6.7: Fark It: >$900 rifle (assuming it wasn't a .22 or airsoft, which I think is a much stronger likelihood than an actual "assault rifle") and you knock off a BK?

He must be one of those idiots who panic bought his AR at triple the market price and is now desperate for rent money.

Don't you remember Jesus and the assault rifles and Whoppers parable?

Give a man a Whopper and he'll eat for a day. Teach him to rob restaurants and give him an assault rifle, and at worst he'll probably have three hots and a cot for a long time.


What if he robs a BK with an AR-15?
 
2013-11-03 01:14:58 PM  
$5 says that the "assault rifle" in question was actually a airsoft gun
 
2013-11-03 01:17:44 PM  

LesserEvil: Who even goes to Burger King any more?

I stopped at one for breakfast a while back with my oldest son... nobody else there at 7:30am on a weekday. Drove over the interstate and the McDonalds was PACKED. The drive-thru lane was backed out to the road.

WTF?

They just remodeled our town's BK, as well, adding those "million combination" soda machines, yet I rarely see more than 2 cars in the parking lot, and there is never a wait in the drive-thru. I don't do BK or McDs much, preferring to go to Rally's, Culvers or pretty much anywhere else, but between the two, I can't see any reason to put up with the long lines and crowds at McDs just to get their tasteless pap.


I know, right?  Last time I went to a Burger King was after an appearance as a witness in a judicial-type hearing that went about 3 hours past lunchtime.  So I was starving.  Went to the BK and ordered the biggest, juiciest, greasiest burger they had displayed on the menu.  It was a sad, joyless and nearly tasteless little thing that they served.

/last time I tried to stop at McD's, a busload of elderly people had just arrived, all of them just like the grandparents on "Christmas Vacation"
 
2013-11-03 01:18:09 PM  

Abox: Still no love for the Mini-14 I see.  I really think our nation's psychos should at least give it a chance.  If it doesn't produce sufficient carnage and hysteria then I'll defer to the AR but I think it would get the job done. Just sayin.


Get the one with the fun switch. Proven effective!
 
2013-11-03 01:24:18 PM  
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2013-11-03 01:34:58 PM  
Whopper > Big Mac times a million.


It's just a better sandwich, period.
 
2013-11-03 01:36:16 PM  
They should of made him shoot the ice-cream machine before giving him anything.
 
2013-11-03 01:38:34 PM  

iheartscotch: $5 says that the "assault rifle" in question was actually a airsoft gun


But it was black and scary.  It MUST have been an "assault rifle"

Despite "assault rifle" being something usually capable of automatic fire which has only been used in crime once in a blue moon since Capone's day
 
2013-11-03 01:59:57 PM  
Another incident where an innocent assault rifle was misused by an idiot to rob someone.
Things like this only give guns / rifles a bad name.
 
2013-11-03 02:02:43 PM  

AngryDragon: iheartscotch: $5 says that the "assault rifle" in question was actually a airsoft gun

But it was black and scary.  It MUST have been an "assault rifle"

Despite "assault rifle" being something usually capable of automatic fire which has only been used in crime once in a blue moon since Capone's day


Yeah; I'd question the ability of any person robbing BK to acquire an actual firearm; of any description. The max you're going to get is, maybe, in the $150 range.

/ From the looks of the barrel; that could be a scar-L. The barrel looks a little long to be an AR. But, in either case, you'd see the bottom of the magazine sticking out. I suppose it could be one of those Beretta CX-4s.
 
2013-11-03 02:03:38 PM  
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/"What's it like being a rocket scientist?"
 
2013-11-03 02:06:39 PM  

AngryDragon: But it was black and scary.  It MUST have been an "assault rifle"

Despite "assault rifle" being something usually capable of automatic fire which has only been used in crime once in a blue moon since Capone's day


Assault Rifle is a general term for anything descended from the STG-44 rifle which the US and Russia based their AR-10/15 and AK-47/74 platforms from, and which features certain design and engineering functions derived from that.

It does NOT have to be a fully automatic rifle, per the literal definition.

/pedant moment.
 
2013-11-03 02:07:20 PM  
I propose "semi-assault rifle".
 
2013-11-03 02:09:51 PM  

AngryDragon: Despite "assault rifle" being something usually capable of automatic fire which has only been used in crime once in a blue moon since Capone's day


Also, since we're being pedantic at the moment, the Thompson submachine gun and the Browning Automatic Rifle would NOT be examples of assault weapons, since they predate the STG-44 design and many of it's features. They would technically be closer to the classical definition of Machine Gun.
 
2013-11-03 02:17:45 PM  

hardinparamedic: AngryDragon: But it was black and scary.  It MUST have been an "assault rifle"

Despite "assault rifle" being something usually capable of automatic fire which has only been used in crime once in a blue moon since Capone's day

Assault Rifle is a general term for anything descended from the STG-44 rifle which the US and Russia based their AR-10/15 and AK-47/74 platforms from, and which features certain design and engineering functions derived from that.

It does NOT have to be a fully automatic rifle, per the literal definition.

/pedant moment.


It can be select fire. The point he is trying to make is that there is a .0000001% chance that the gun the guy used could be classified as an assault rifle.
 
2013-11-03 02:20:06 PM  

redmid17: It can be select fire. The point he is trying to make is that there is a .0000001% chance that the gun the guy used could be classified as an assault rifle.


True, it can be select fire, but it can also be semi-automatic. It's kind of a pedantic argument I'm having here rather than a practical application.

Really, depending on the aftermarket stock and sighting equipment, a Mini-14/30, Ruger 10/22, or M1 Carbine can be turned into an "assault rifle". It's a misnomer to label guns as such
 
2013-11-03 02:23:14 PM  

hardinparamedic: redmid17: It can be select fire. The point he is trying to make is that there is a .0000001% chance that the gun the guy used could be classified as an assault rifle.

True, it can be select fire, but it can also be semi-automatic. It's kind of a pedantic argument I'm having here rather than a practical application.

Really, depending on the aftermarket stock and sighting equipment, a Mini-14/30, Ruger 10/22, or M1 Carbine can be turned into an "assault rifle". It's a misnomer to label guns as such


I have yet to see any definition of an assault rifle which allows for semi-auto only.
 
2013-11-03 02:23:29 PM  
"Assault rifle" and "assault weapon" are two different terms.
An assault rifle is a military term referring to a rifle that fires in intermediate cartridge and is select-fire.  (i.e. can be fully automatic)
An assault weapon is a political term referring to any firearm that has scary features.
 
2013-11-03 02:25:43 PM  

hardinparamedic: AngryDragon: But it was black and scary.  It MUST have been an "assault rifle"

Despite "assault rifle" being something usually capable of automatic fire which has only been used in crime once in a blue moon since Capone's day

Assault Rifle is a general term for anything descended from the STG-44 rifle which the US and Russia based their AR-10/15 and AK-47/74 platforms from, and which features certain design and engineering functions derived from that.

It does NOT have to be a fully automatic rifle, per the literal definition.

/pedant moment.


Anything descendent from an STG-44, huh?

Well, the FN-Fal is a direct descendent. But, if I remember right, the Kalashnikov model 1947 was in development before the finish of the Second World War.

And I'm not sure you could argue that ARs are descendent from STG-44s. They are similar; but ARs aren't designed as well. Too many little parts.
 
2013-11-03 02:26:32 PM  

sleep lack: /approves


Just wanted some breakfast at 10:31
 
2013-11-03 02:27:28 PM  

Mister Peejay: LesserEvil: Who even goes to Burger King any more?

I stopped at one for breakfast a while back with my oldest son... nobody else there at 7:30am on a weekday. Drove over the interstate and the McDonalds was PACKED. The drive-thru lane was backed out to the road.

WTF?

It's the same way here, too.  The last time I went to BK was when Sandy's tail knocked out some power lines and everything on the part of the street with decent fast food (Chinese place and Subway, mainly) was out, leaving McD and BK.  McD's was a line halfway around the block, nobody was at BK.

Yep.  The food still tastes burnt and flavorless and the coffee still tastes like some sort of cleaning solution, like they don't rinse the machines out after washing them.


I think Subway still takes top honors for tasteless.  I have no clue how they're so popular, especially when there are other sub chains that put out vastly superior products, not to mention independent delis and sandwich shops.

McD's lines make some sense in the morning, their breakfast offerings are far superior to BK's, but otherwise, yeah, I go every now and again when they have the 99 cent 6 piece nugget deal on, but otherwise it's a pass.
 
2013-11-03 02:27:33 PM  

iheartscotch: the Kalashnikov model 1947 was in development before the finish of the Second World War.


I might be wrong, but IIRC the 47 was a combination of Russian and German engineering from captured models of the 44. I know the SKS rifle system was in development before the finish of the Second World War.

And you have a point about the ARs not being designed well. My grandfather used to tell me stories about them abandoning them in Vietnam and picking up AK-47s off the soldiers. Apparantly this was not uncommon early in the war.
 
2013-11-03 02:37:17 PM  
willfullyobscure:   Whopper > Big Mac times a million.


It's just a better sandwich, period.


Whopper is better than McDonalds burgers.  I totally agree.  But everything else for BK sucks worse than McD. McD's coffee, fries and b-fast items are much better.

Anyhow, we have in-n-out here.  So I'm not doing either for lunch.

/wait is this a gun thread or a burger thread?... seems more of the former.
 
2013-11-03 02:39:33 PM  
MythDragon:

/talked to someone who worked at KFC that got robbed for 40 bucks and a bucket of chicken.


Sunken-eyed girl on Delancey Street,
Bulletproof glass in the KFC to
Keep the man safe in his paper hat
Keep the wrong hands off the biscuit fortune...
 
2013-11-03 02:39:58 PM  

SirEattonHogg: willfullyobscure:   Whopper > Big Mac times a million.


It's just a better sandwich, period.

Whopper is better than McDonalds burgers.  I totally agree.  But everything else for BK sucks worse than McD. McD's coffee, fries and b-fast items are much better.

Anyhow, we have in-n-out here.  So I'm not doing either for lunch.

/wait is this a gun thread or a burger thread?... seems more of the former.


Agreed. Burger porn thread?

foodporndaily.com
 
2013-11-03 02:47:58 PM  

hardinparamedic: iheartscotch: the Kalashnikov model 1947 was in development before the finish of the Second World War.

I might be wrong, but IIRC the 47 was a combination of Russian and German engineering from captured models of the 44. I know the SKS rifle system was in development before the finish of the Second World War.

And you have a point about the ARs not being designed well. My grandfather used to tell me stories about them abandoning them in Vietnam and picking up AK-47s off the soldiers. Apparantly this was not uncommon early in the war.


There are some similar features; but, the design was definitely Mikhail Kalashnikov's. The sks was developed and deployed in 1943 on into the 50's. Kalashnikov started developing the 47 around 1944; and it was deployed in 1947.

The differences between a STG-44 and an Ak-47 are: the 44 was chambered in 7.62 kurts(7.62x33mm), the 47 in 7.62x39mm. The 44 contained more machined parts; the 47 was almost completely made out of stamped metal. The 44 had no for arm; the 47 has one. The end of a barrel of a 44 is round, the 47 is cut diagonally (theory being it helps disperse the flash). The 44 was very accurate; you can find accurate 47s but, they are not a designated marksmen's weapon.

There are a couple others I'm forgetting

/ originally, ARs were temperamental; they need to be cleaned a lot more than other contemporary guns; like the ak47 or m-14 . It took a unauthorized letter from a GI to a congressman to fix the problem.
 
2013-11-03 02:53:57 PM  

CrackpipeCardozo: Mugato: Does anyone get away with robbing anything anymore, with cameras everywhere covering everything?

Is this a serious question?


==========

Ask the guys at Goldman Sachs, Bank of America, Wells Fargo, etc.
 
2013-11-03 02:55:51 PM  

Mugato: Really, who robs a Burger King?


Wanted for questioning:
3.bp.blogspot.com
Also suspected of getting busy in the bathroom.
 
2013-11-03 03:01:28 PM  
atlantablackstar.com
I'm first, really? It's a shotgun...fast food...and a stick-up!
 
2013-11-03 03:01:29 PM  

Fissile: CrackpipeCardozo: Mugato: Does anyone get away with robbing anything anymore, with cameras everywhere covering everything?

Is this a serious question?

==========

Ask the guys at Goldman Sachs, Bank of America, Wells Fargo, etc.


Well obviously I was referring to stick up robberies. The people you refer to are untouchable, minus a token fine here or there.
 
2013-11-03 03:03:59 PM  

ciberido: Mugato: Really, who robs a Burger King?

Wanted for questioning:
[3.bp.blogspot.com image 320x240]
Also suspected of getting busy in the bathroom.


His biggest crime was participating in "Nothing But Trouble", the Dan Akroyd/Chevy Chase/Demi Moore  vehicle.
 
2013-11-03 03:09:26 PM  

Mayor_of_Simpleton: MythDragon:

/talked to someone who worked at KFC that got robbed for 40 bucks and a bucket of chicken.


Sunken-eyed girl on Delancey Street,
Bulletproof glass in the KFC to
Keep the man safe in his paper hat
Keep the wrong hands off the biscuit fortune...


Thanks, I'd never heard of Mike Doughty, downloading a few albums on Xbox Music now.
 
2013-11-03 03:11:31 PM  

iheartscotch: / originally, ARs were temperamental; they need to be cleaned a lot more than other contemporary guns; like the ak47 or m-14 . It took a unauthorized letter from a GI to a congressman to fix the problem.


If I remember correctly it also had to do with using lower quality powders and telling the troops the rifles were 'self cleaning'. No one had cleaning kits, so they would eventualy get dirty and fouled with carbon and jam. Plus the orignal M16 had no foward assist, so if the round didn't fully seat, you got screwed.
 
2013-11-03 03:14:19 PM  
SirEattonHogg:

/wait is this a gun thread or a burger thread?... seems more of the former.

It's a good thing the guy didn't rob a pizza joint.
 
2013-11-03 03:23:19 PM  

Mister Peejay: SirEattonHogg:

/wait is this a gun thread or a burger thread?... seems more of the former.

It's a good thing the guy didn't rob a pizza joint.


I see what you did there
 
2013-11-03 03:24:44 PM  

MythDragon: iheartscotch: / originally, ARs were temperamental; they need to be cleaned a lot more than other contemporary guns; like the ak47 or m-14 . It took a unauthorized letter from a GI to a congressman to fix the problem.

If I remember correctly it also had to do with using lower quality powders and telling the troops the rifles were 'self cleaning'. No one had cleaning kits, so they would eventualy get dirty and fouled with carbon and jam. Plus the orignal M16 had no foward assist, so if the round didn't fully seat, you got screwed.


That was part of it too. There are a few types of gunpowder. Of those; two are very popular with the military. They are ball shaped and bar shaped. One is a lot dirtier than the other; I don't remember which. I do know that our soldiers didn't have cleaning kits for the rifle; but, not why.

/ the history channel did a big special on the m-16; back before it was all about alien nazi zombies from Planet X
 
2013-11-03 03:26:47 PM  
pxlboy:
Agreed. Burger porn thread?

Looks good. restaurant?


Mister Peejay:
/wait is this a gun thread or a burger thread?... seems more of the former.

It's a good thing the guy didn't rob a pizza joint.


There was like 3 or 4 pizza threads in the past week.  Yeah, yeah, Chicago pie is considered casserole by some folks.  I get it!
 
2013-11-03 03:34:39 PM  

zulius: [atlantablackstar.com image 350x400]
I'm first, really? It's a shotgun...fast food...and a stick-up!


Nope, you're not. You lose.

i184.photobucket.com
 
2013-11-03 03:36:07 PM  

SirEattonHogg: pxlboy:
Agreed. Burger porn thread?

Looks good. restaurant?


Mister Peejay:
/wait is this a gun thread or a burger thread?... seems more of the former.

It's a good thing the guy didn't rob a pizza joint.

There was like 3 or 4 pizza threads in the past week.  Yeah, yeah, Chicago pie is considered casserole by some folks.  I get it!


I meant, the stupid discussions regarding having a 2-topping limit on pizzas since an artery assailant will just carry that any more pizzas with him while the law-abiding citizens will not.

And this is avoiding the whole issue of whether cheese is a topping or not, which is a VERY hot topic.
 
2013-11-03 03:37:13 PM  
He had it his way
 
2013-11-03 03:56:53 PM  

Pointy Tail of Satan: I propose "semi-assault rifle".


Seconded.
 
2013-11-03 04:25:13 PM  
I have a confession to make. Between the Whopper, the Big Mac, and Wendy's normal burger, I like the Whopper the best.

Please don't hate me.

/Twisted Root is better, though.
 
2013-11-03 04:41:20 PM  

Snarfangel: I have a confession to make. Between the Whopper, the Big Mac, and Wendy's normal burger, I like the Whopper the best.

Please don't hate me.

/Twisted Root is better, though.


Spicy Chicken Sandwich is the way to go.
 
2013-11-03 04:44:39 PM  
Why didn't they just defend themselves with an assault knife?
 
2013-11-03 04:48:30 PM  
Laws against robbery didn't deter him, so therefore we shouldn't have any laws on robbery since criminals don't obey them.

Also BK is a gun free store, and that didn't stop him from stealing a Whopper so therefore Diane Feinstein and such as.
 
2013-11-03 04:52:53 PM  
They do have a damned good chicken sandwich (if they still have those massive tendercrisp sandwiches..)
 
2013-11-03 04:56:55 PM  
Was it a Glock assault rifle?
 
2013-11-03 05:19:32 PM  
I was sorely disappointed the last time I went both BK and Mcdonalds. Both chains have let their quality fall horribly.
 
2013-11-03 05:22:47 PM  

Pointy Tail of Satan: I propose "semi-assault rifle".


How about we call the "rape rifles"?

justtray: Laws against robbery didn't deter him, so therefore we shouldn't have any laws on robbery since criminals don't obey them.

Also BK is a gun free store, and that didn't stop him from stealing a Whopper so therefore Diane Feinstein and such as.

Well, study it out.
 
2013-11-03 05:24:28 PM  

viscountalpha: I was sorely disappointed the last time I went both BK and Mcdonalds. Both chains have let their quality fall horribly.


McDonald's fries are now somehow bad. Happened in the last 18 months or so (at least here in SoCal).
 
2013-11-03 05:24:34 PM  
This is exactly why places like Wal-Mart and Starbucks start to get antsy when people exercise their open carry 'rights' inside of their businesses.
 
2013-11-03 05:34:45 PM  
Obligatory...
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2013-11-03 05:41:44 PM  

willfullyobscure: Whopper > Big Mac times a million.


It's just a better sandwich, period.


And Baconator leaves both in the dust.

/if the other ingredients were good, you wouldn't need that flavored mayonnaise 'sauce'
 
2013-11-03 06:19:32 PM  

snowjack: Obligatory...
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Obligatory response.
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2013-11-03 06:45:56 PM  

Fark It: >$900 rifle (assuming it wasn't a .22 or airsoft, which I think is a much stronger likelihood than an actual "assault rifle") and you knock off a BK?

He must be one of those idiots who panic bought his AR at triple the market price and is now desperate for rent money.


No. The article says it was an Assault Rifle. Legal assault rifles are worth WAY WAY more than $900. Even one in bad condition is worth at least $5000.

I am curious how they know it is an Assault Rifle though. It doesn't sound like he fired it or left it behind, and they haven't caught him yet. So how do they know? Very strange.
 
2013-11-03 06:54:19 PM  

arentol: Fark It: >$900 rifle (assuming it wasn't a .22 or airsoft, which I think is a much stronger likelihood than an actual "assault rifle") and you knock off a BK?

He must be one of those idiots who panic bought his AR at triple the market price and is now desperate for rent money.

No. The article says it was an Assault Rifle. Legal assault rifles are worth WAY WAY more than $900. Even one in bad condition is worth at least $5000.

I am curious how they know it is an Assault Rifle though. It doesn't sound like he fired it or left it behind, and they haven't caught him yet. So how do they know? Very strange.


Here's something that looks like an assault rifle to me for $800.  What would make that not an assault rifle?
 
2013-11-03 07:14:04 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: arentol: Fark It: >$900 rifle (assuming it wasn't a .22 or airsoft, which I think is a much stronger likelihood than an actual "assault rifle") and you knock off a BK?

He must be one of those idiots who panic bought his AR at triple the market price and is now desperate for rent money.

No. The article says it was an Assault Rifle. Legal assault rifles are worth WAY WAY more than $900. Even one in bad condition is worth at least $5000.

I am curious how they know it is an Assault Rifle though. It doesn't sound like he fired it or left it behind, and they haven't caught him yet. So how do they know? Very strange.

Here's something that looks like an assault rifle to me for $800.  What would make that not an assault rifle?


It is semi-auto only no select fire switch for full auto or burst fire.

I disagree on the price being in the 5,000 range for an assualt rifle, especially if you allready have your class 3 license that said you aren't looking at a finished decent quality firearm for less than around a grand usually. At least you weren't last time I went pricing a couple of years ago...
 
2013-11-03 07:19:45 PM  

Maxor: Here's something that looks like an assault rifle to me for $800.  What would make that not an assault rifle?


Does something have to be full auto to be an assault rifle?  I'm not a gun expert, but to me 'assault rifle' just means that it has to be a rifle with a pistol grip, a detachable magazine, places to attach accessories like scopes or bayonets, and maybe a collapsable stock.
 
2013-11-03 07:26:21 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Maxor: Here's something that looks like an assault rifle to me for $800.  What would make that not an assault rifle?

Does something have to be full auto to be an assault rifle?  I'm not a gun expert, but to me 'assault rifle' just means that it has to be a rifle with a pistol grip, a detachable magazine, places to attach accessories like scopes or bayonets, and maybe a collapsable stock.


That term can apply to any off the wall long gun if you attach some plastic parts. Plastic parts don't make bullets kill better. That's like saying that adding a spoiler and stickers to your ford fiesta makes it a racecar. Also: ASSAULT RIFLE. By U.S. Army definition, a selective-fire rifle chambered for a cartridge of intermediate power... I'll bet a year of TF this wasn't a selective-fire rifle
 
2013-11-03 07:35:57 PM  

willfullyobscure: Whopper > Big Mac times a million.


It's just a better sandwich, period.



It's different, not better IMHO. I like both, a few times a year. Of course I'm fasting for a colonoscopy right now so I'd eat anything.
 
2013-11-03 07:37:36 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Maxor: Here's something that looks like an assault rifle to me for $800.  What would make that not an assault rifle?

Does something have to be full auto to be an assault rifle?  I'm not a gun expert, but to me 'assault rifle' just means that it has to be a rifle with a pistol grip, a detachable magazine, places to attach accessories like scopes or bayonets, and maybe a collapsable stock.


Its one of those nifty points where the generally agreed on military defination of the term is a select fire weapon firing an intermediate round (smaller than a typical rifle round on powder charge cartridge size and weight of bullet, yet larger than a pistol round) that's an assualt rifle.

In the 1980s congress passed an 'assault weapons" ban, which banned guns with 2 or more of certain features and other models of guns by name, of which your list above is generally in agreement with. (I really don't feel like grabbing the whole list right now). Thing was the qualities listed while making a gun slightly handier to use didn't really make it any more deadly they just made it slightly more menacing looking for some people which didn't fit with the sound bites about why it was passed.

Most people with much knowledge of firearms consider the assualt rifle term to be one with meaning and the assault weapon one to be one with very little in part because if I take a civil war muzzle loader and restock it with a stock with a hole for my thumb under the wording of an assault weapon the single shot black powder rifle would qualify.
 
2013-11-03 07:40:36 PM  
To be clear and shorten "assault rifle" has a semi official defination "assault weapon" used to in law though it was a bullshiat half assed meaningless set of reglations that just was an attempted gun grab.
 
2013-11-03 07:43:02 PM  

Maxor: TuteTibiImperes: Maxor: Here's something that looks like an assault rifle to me for $800.  What would make that not an assault rifle?

Does something have to be full auto to be an assault rifle?  I'm not a gun expert, but to me 'assault rifle' just means that it has to be a rifle with a pistol grip, a detachable magazine, places to attach accessories like scopes or bayonets, and maybe a collapsable stock.

Its one of those nifty points where the generally agreed on military defination of the term is a select fire weapon firing an intermediate round (smaller than a typical rifle round on powder charge cartridge size and weight of bullet, yet larger than a pistol round) that's an assualt rifle.

In the 1980s congress passed an 'assault weapons" ban, which banned guns with 2 or more of certain features and other models of guns by name, of which your list above is generally in agreement with. (I really don't feel like grabbing the whole list right now). Thing was the qualities listed while making a gun slightly handier to use didn't really make it any more deadly they just made it slightly more menacing looking for some people which didn't fit with the sound bites about why it was passed.

Most people with much knowledge of firearms consider the assualt rifle term to be one with meaning and the assault weapon one to be one with very little in part because if I take a civil war muzzle loader and restock it with a stock with a hole for my thumb under the wording of an assault weapon the single shot black powder rifle would qualify.


Gotcha.  Yeah, I was going with the popular definition instead of the military one I suppose.  Aren't weapons capable of full auto pretty much banned without a fairly arduous permit process anyway?  It seems that most things that the media and popular culture accept as assault rifles wouldn't meet the military definition.
 
2013-11-03 07:43:49 PM  

lh6.googleusercontent.com

Black powder weapon which would be classified as an assault weapon.

 
2013-11-03 08:09:11 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Maxor: TuteTibiImperes: Maxor: Here's something that looks like an assault rifle to me for $800.  What would make that not an assault rifle?

Does something have to be full auto to be an assault rifle?  I'm not a gun expert, but to me 'assault rifle' just means that it has to be a rifle with a pistol grip, a detachable magazine, places to attach accessories like scopes or bayonets, and maybe a collapsable stock.

Its one of those nifty points where the generally agreed on military defination of the term is a select fire weapon firing an intermediate round (smaller than a typical rifle round on powder charge cartridge size and weight of bullet, yet larger than a pistol round) that's an assualt rifle.

In the 1980s congress passed an 'assault weapons" ban, which banned guns with 2 or more of certain features and other models of guns by name, of which your list above is generally in agreement with. (I really don't feel like grabbing the whole list right now). Thing was the qualities listed while making a gun slightly handier to use didn't really make it any more deadly they just made it slightly more menacing looking for some people which didn't fit with the sound bites about why it was passed.

Most people with much knowledge of firearms consider the assualt rifle term to be one with meaning and the assault weapon one to be one with very little in part because if I take a civil war muzzle loader and restock it with a stock with a hole for my thumb under the wording of an assault weapon the single shot black powder rifle would qualify.

Gotcha.  Yeah, I was going with the popular definition instead of the military one I suppose.  Aren't weapons capable of full auto pretty much banned without a fairly arduous permit process anyway?  It seems that most things that the media and popular culture accept as assault rifles wouldn't meet the military definition.


Isn't really a popular defination, I am going to be as asshole here and say first and foremost pick your term assault weapon or assault rifle. Assault weapons are A-ok, the ban expired you are good in most of the USA. Please check local ordinances, because you might live somewhere weird. As for assault rifles an weapon capable of fully automatice fire manufactured after a certain date in the late 1800s (I don't remember the date and don't feel like looking it up right now) this precludes most non crew served weapons. The law dates back to the 1930s and hasn't really been ammended. Before then you could order a tommy gun or BAR from the sears catalogue (literally true). A newer gun Requires a class 3 firearms license which usually go through anyways getting the ftl and other dealer and collectors licenses. Its not particularly in depth though fairly expensive and to keep it you generally have to show a few firearms transfers if you are registaring as a dealer and not a collector (
 
2013-11-03 09:12:52 PM  

MichiganFTL: Black powder weapon which would be classified as an assault weapon.


Wow, you suck at Photoshop. And I draw stick figures.
 
2013-11-03 09:31:45 PM  

hardinparamedic: MichiganFTL: Black powder weapon which would be classified as an assault weapon.

Wow, you suck at Photoshop. And I draw stick figures.


actually a step below that. I stole that from a GIS for black powder assault rifle.
 
2013-11-03 09:34:17 PM  
Modern day Rob'in (in the) Hood.
 
2013-11-03 10:17:55 PM  
Joke's on the robber.  They slipped an exploding fry pack into his food.
 
2013-11-03 10:24:12 PM  

pxlboy: SirEattonHogg: willfullyobscure:   Whopper > Big Mac times a million.


It's just a better sandwich, period.

Whopper is better than McDonalds burgers.  I totally agree.  But everything else for BK sucks worse than McD. McD's coffee, fries and b-fast items are much better.

Anyhow, we have in-n-out here.  So I'm not doing either for lunch.

/wait is this a gun thread or a burger thread?... seems more of the former.

Agreed. Burger porn thread?

[foodporndaily.com image 850x566]


blog.rifftrax.com
Want.
 
2013-11-03 10:39:01 PM  

ciberido: pxlboy: SirEattonHogg: willfullyobscure:   Whopper > Big Mac times a million.


It's just a better sandwich, period.

Whopper is better than McDonalds burgers.  I totally agree.  But everything else for BK sucks worse than McD. McD's coffee, fries and b-fast items are much better.

Anyhow, we have in-n-out here.  So I'm not doing either for lunch.

/wait is this a gun thread or a burger thread?... seems more of the former.

Agreed. Burger porn thread?

[foodporndaily.com image 850x566]

[blog.rifftrax.com image 211x242]
Want.


On the burger porn topic, have you noticed that the TV spokesperson for Red Robin is the woman who played the crazy neighbor from Two and Half Men?

/still playing the same character
//Red Robin is overpriced
 
2013-11-03 11:43:45 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: arentol: Fark It: >$900 rifle (assuming it wasn't a .22 or airsoft, which I think is a much stronger likelihood than an actual "assault rifle") and you knock off a BK?

He must be one of those idiots who panic bought his AR at triple the market price and is now desperate for rent money.

No. The article says it was an Assault Rifle. Legal assault rifles are worth WAY WAY more than $900. Even one in bad condition is worth at least $5000.

I am curious how they know it is an Assault Rifle though. It doesn't sound like he fired it or left it behind, and they haven't caught him yet. So how do they know? Very strange.

Here's something that looks like an assault rifle to me for $800.  What would make that not an assault rifle?


The fact that it is not advertised as an automatic weapon and doesn't mention BATFE requirements for purchase, and that it has been illegal to make assault rifles for the civilian market in the USA since 1986, and the fact that it doesn't cost an arm and a leg as a real assault rifle would cost due to the scarcity caused by no new ones being made for civilians in the last 27 years?
 
2013-11-03 11:48:18 PM  

SirEattonHogg: pxlboy:
Agreed. Burger porn thread?

Looks good. restaurant?


Mister Peejay:
/wait is this a gun thread or a burger thread?... seems more of the former.

It's a good thing the guy didn't rob a pizza joint.

There was like 3 or 4 pizza threads in the past week.  Yeah, yeah, Chicago pie is considered casserole by some folks.  I get it!


no idea..just a GIS for 'burger porn'
 
2013-11-03 11:54:01 PM  

Maxor: TuteTibiImperes: arentol: Fark It: >$900 rifle (assuming it wasn't a .22 or airsoft, which I think is a much stronger likelihood than an actual "assault rifle") and you knock off a BK?

He must be one of those idiots who panic bought his AR at triple the market price and is now desperate for rent money.

No. The article says it was an Assault Rifle. Legal assault rifles are worth WAY WAY more than $900. Even one in bad condition is worth at least $5000.

I am curious how they know it is an Assault Rifle though. It doesn't sound like he fired it or left it behind, and they haven't caught him yet. So how do they know? Very strange.

Here's something that looks like an assault rifle to me for $800.  What would make that not an assault rifle?

It is semi-auto only no select fire switch for full auto or burst fire.

I disagree on the price being in the 5,000 range for an assualt rifle, especially if you allready have your class 3 license that said you aren't looking at a finished decent quality firearm for less than around a grand usually. At least you weren't last time I went pricing a couple of years ago...



Here is 3-year-old discussion of pricing on an AR-15 automatic lower, 10k+:

http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=6&f=22&t=296523

And another from earlier this year, 14k+:

http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-721073.html

Drop In Auto Sears might cost you less than the lowers discussed above, but they will still cost well more than 5k.

Sorry, civilian automatic weapons cost a LOT these days.
 
2013-11-03 11:56:01 PM  

hardinparamedic: MichiganFTL: Black powder weapon which would be classified as an assault weapon.

Wow, you suck at Photoshop. And I draw stick figures.


Any luck on finding that semi-auto assault rifle reference?
 
2013-11-04 08:21:43 AM  
All he wanted was to have it his way...
 
2013-11-04 09:41:15 AM  

Mugato: Really, who robs a Burger King? Did he just watch Pulp Fiction and take Ringo's reasoning about robbing restaurants to heart? I guess it was somewhat smart to rob it at 11:00 pm, they might have had some decent money collected.

Does anyone get away with robbing anything anymore, with cameras everywhere covering everything?


Since those cameras seem to have the same resolution and frame rate as my circa 2004 cell phone I'd say this guy has nothing to worry about regarding video evidence.
 
2013-11-04 09:50:01 AM  
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hardinparamedic: Assault Rifle is a general term for anything descended from the STG-44 rifle which the US and Russia based their AR-10/15 and AK-47/74 platforms from, and which features certain design and engineering functions derived from that.

It does NOT have to be a fully automatic rifle, per the literal definition.

/pedant moment.


Yes, it does per the literal definition. The certain design and feature that is most critical to the definition is that it be select fire.  AKA capable of firing automatic.
 
2013-11-04 09:53:55 AM  

hardinparamedic: redmid17: It can be select fire. The point he is trying to make is that there is a .0000001% chance that the gun the guy used could be classified as an assault rifle.

True, it can be select fire, but it can also be semi-automatic. It's kind of a pedantic argument I'm having here rather than a practical application.

Really, depending on the aftermarket stock and sighting equipment, a Mini-14/30, Ruger 10/22, or M1 Carbine can be turned into an "assault rifle". It's a misnomer to label guns as such


You are wrong.  An assault rifle must be select fire, fire an intermediate cartridge and use a box magazine.  If the mini 14 is capable of auto or burst fire it can be an assault rifle as could the M1.  The ruger 10/22 can never be since it does not fire a intermediate cartridge.  The thompsan you mentioned above can not be either since it fires a pistol cartridge.
 
2013-11-04 10:01:33 AM  

MythDragon: f I remember correctly it also had to do with using lower quality powders and telling the troops the rifles were 'self cleaning'. No one had cleaning kits, so they would eventualy get dirty and fouled with carbon and jam. Plus the orignal M16 had no foward assist, so if the round didn't fully seat, you got screwed.


The original design was tested with one kind of cartridge powder, when they went in to service a switch was made to an un tested powder that didn't work.  The guns shot dirtier than they ever should have, combined with the damp jungle environment,  And jamming was a huge issue. Which is why mil spec now requires a chromed barrell and chamber.

The issues people's grandpas had the weapon in Vietnam have literally been solved 50 years ago.

New Ar-15s, M4s, etc. have had something like 47 design improvemens just since the 90s.  Whatever issue some old timer had back in his serviceday is irrelavant when talking about Ar-15s pattern rifles today.
 
2013-11-04 10:04:44 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: What would make that not an assault rifle?


It can't fire auto or burst.
 
2013-11-04 10:34:24 AM  

manimal2878: TuteTibiImperes: What would make that not an assault rifle?

It can't fire auto or burst.


But...but...Clinton told me that if it has a pistol grip AND a magazine then it becomes an assault rifle

/and if it has a bayonet lug it becomes a Super Assault rifle.
//and if it has one of those shoulder things that goes up, it can shoot through schools and fire cop killer bullets.
 
2013-11-04 01:37:58 PM  
I'm sick of hearing about proposed restrictions on gun purchases. If someone wants to kill a shiatload of people, they'll find a way to do so, no matter how many laws restricting specific types of guns are enacted.

Just for the love of Christ stop saying that the second amendment is about having the power to go against the government if they get out of hand. For one thing, they've gotten out of hand a long time ago and you haven't done shiat. Second, that notion was concocted when everyone involved had muskets. Not the case today. Third, go watch Duck Dynasty and forget what the government is doing to you and drop the Red Dawn fantasies.
 
2013-11-04 11:16:55 PM  

arentol: Maxor: TuteTibiImperes: arentol: Fark It: >$900 rifle (assuming it wasn't a .22 or airsoft, which I think is a much stronger likelihood than an actual "assault rifle") and you knock off a BK?

He must be one of those idiots who panic bought his AR at triple the market price and is now desperate for rent money.

No. The article says it was an Assault Rifle. Legal assault rifles are worth WAY WAY more than $900. Even one in bad condition is worth at least $5000.

I am curious how they know it is an Assault Rifle though. It doesn't sound like he fired it or left it behind, and they haven't caught him yet. So how do they know? Very strange.

Here's something that looks like an assault rifle to me for $800.  What would make that not an assault rifle?

It is semi-auto only no select fire switch for full auto or burst fire.

I disagree on the price being in the 5,000 range for an assualt rifle, especially if you allready have your class 3 license that said you aren't looking at a finished decent quality firearm for less than around a grand usually. At least you weren't last time I went pricing a couple of years ago...


Here is 3-year-old discussion of pricing on an AR-15 automatic lower, 10k+:

http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=6&f=22&t=296523

And another from earlier this year, 14k+:

http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-721073.html

Drop In Auto Sears might cost you less than the lowers discussed above, but they will still cost well more than 5k.

Sorry, civilian automatic weapons cost a LOT these days.



I don't disagree prices have gone up and highly collectible guns are very expensive. That said 30 seconds worth of searching found 2 less than $4,000 on a buy now price with a no reserve auction.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=373812723">http: //www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=373812723
and  http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=374516039">http:/ /www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=374516039

You get a decent gun show and there is moderate chance of being able to score a gun from one of those drop in conversions or a gun with an ugly stock or redundant in a collection in the $1500 to $2000 range.  I'm not an expert on prices by any means and haven't been super actively collecting firearms in the last few years.  (2008 was really hard on me was in banking at the time)  But around then list price was around $1500 to $2000 for a non matching scar or a reweld gun but if you knew someone or were just generally a cool person and willing to hunt around a bit you would find a better deal.  There is also quite frankly a huge number of ak clones and ar based guns that were sold legal as semi auto but are either perm modded or have a drop in sitting more or less next to them in this country.
 
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