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(The Atlantic)   Insufferable Red Sox fan bemoans fate of Red Sox Nation, cleaved in two between older Sox fans who were insufferable douchebags about losing and younger Sox fans who are insufferable douchebags about winning   (theatlantic.com) divider line 34
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2013-11-03 08:07:53 AM  
There seem to be way more people complaining about insufferable Sox fans than the actual number of insufferable Sox fans. Confirmation bias is a biatch.
 
2013-11-03 08:12:01 AM  
Honest question, what do you consider to be a young baseball fan? The youngest person I know to be an actual fan and not somebody who loosely follows a team because they are from the general area where the team is from, is 40. I'm 33 and I grew up playing baseball, but I did because my dad wanted me to. As soon as I realized that I didn't have to play I stopped playing.
 
2013-11-03 08:21:41 AM  
They have their douchebagginess in common, so they'll work it out.
 
2013-11-03 08:53:44 AM  

Karma Chameleon: Confirmation bias is a biatch


Did subby even read the article? I have no clue how he was able to read "insufferable" and "douchebag" into it at all. It was a thoughtfully penned article about how a lifetime of experience affects the way you view the team's recent success. He sees this run as something to appreciate and enjoy for the moment, while his son sees it as just something that happens occasionally.

It's apparent how subby views it. Any mention of who won the World Series this year is equal to spiking the ball and rubbing Subby's nose in it. The baseball world should just shut up and let him pout.
 
2013-11-03 09:01:34 AM  
Couldn't they just enjoy their latest championship and a few brewskis?

/maybe it IS rocket science in Boston
 
2013-11-03 09:06:27 AM  

edmo: Couldn't they just enjoy their latest championship and a few brewskis?

/maybe it IS rocket science in Boston


No, you see, they are an underdog team with little finances, no recent success and no connections to PEDs of any kind, so it is just magical that they won.
 
2013-11-03 09:08:47 AM  
Although I thoyght the subject of the article is weak, he has a point. For a kid who's a Red Sox fan, it seems all the Sox do is win. All the losing and weird stuff that happened to the team before is ancient history. It's a different Sox Era. If you were to tell me years ago that in a ten year span the team would win more WS than any other team, I would think you were an idiot.
 
2013-11-03 09:24:38 AM  

balfourk: Honest question, what do you consider to be a young baseball fan? The youngest person I know to be an actual fan and not somebody who loosely follows a team because they are from the general area where the team is from, is 40. I'm 33 and I grew up playing baseball, but I did because my dad wanted me to. As soon as I realized that I didn't have to play I stopped playing.


My nephew is 8 and is obsessed with Mike Trout.
 
2013-11-03 09:28:24 AM  

skinink: Although I thoyght the subject of the article is weak, he has a point. For a kid who's a Red Sox fan, it seems all the Sox do is win. All the losing and weird stuff that happened to the team before is ancient history.


Good point.  Growing up a Mets fan in the '80s didn't give me much preparation for what being a Mets fan actually entails.  My Yankee fan friends used to tease me by saying Mets fans were bandwagon fans, while Yankee fans were the truly devoted ones who stuck by their team in hard times.

Someday the Sox's fortunes will swing the other way and the kids will understand what their parents and grandparents were talking about.
 
2013-11-03 09:33:46 AM  

machoprogrammer: edmo: Couldn't they just enjoy their latest championship and a few brewskis?

/maybe it IS rocket science in Boston

No, you see, they are an underdog team with little finances, no recent success and no connections to PEDs of any kind, so it is just magical that they won.


Just curious, who had been saying anything remotely like that? What team do you root for, anyway?
 
2013-11-03 09:36:22 AM  
*shrugs* at least the "best" fans in baseball didn't win, or else we'd all be screwed
 
2013-11-03 10:49:52 AM  
As an Orioles fan, I agree.  All Red Sox fans are insufferable douchebags.

/Don't worry Red Sox fans.
//I also think the same of the Yankees and their fans.
 
2013-11-03 10:51:52 AM  

WinoRhino: Karma Chameleon: Confirmation bias is a biatch

Did subby even read the article? I have no clue how he was able to read "insufferable" and "douchebag" into it at all. It was a thoughtfully penned article about how a lifetime of experience affects the way you view the team's recent success. He sees this run as something to appreciate and enjoy for the moment, while his son sees it as just something that happens occasionally.

It's apparent how subby views it. Any mention of who won the World Series this year is equal to spiking the ball and rubbing Subby's nose in it. The baseball world should just shut up and let him pout.


It's an article about a Boston team winning, so naturally the haters have to come out as well.

/haters gonna hate
 
2013-11-03 11:00:01 AM  

balfourk: Honest question, what do you consider to be a young baseball fan? The youngest person I know to be an actual fan and not somebody who loosely follows a team because they are from the general area where the team is from, is 40. I'm 33 and I grew up playing baseball, but I did because my dad wanted me to. As soon as I realized that I didn't have to play I stopped playing.


St. Louis generally follows the Cardinals more than the Rams and the Blues. So baseball fandom is pretty common thing there.
 
2013-11-03 11:28:00 AM  
1WP
 
2013-11-03 11:29:05 AM  
Welcome to your daily Boston hate thread.  Bring it on.  We laugh at your jealousy.
 
2013-11-03 11:44:33 AM  

WinoRhino: machoprogrammer: edmo: Couldn't they just enjoy their latest championship and a few brewskis?

/maybe it IS rocket science in Boston

No, you see, they are an underdog team with little finances, no recent success and no connections to PEDs of any kind, so it is just magical that they won.

Just curious, who had been saying anything remotely like that? What team do you root for, anyway?


That was kind of the narrative that the media (especially Fox) tried really hard to spin during the WS. These worst to first dudes with beards really came together and overcame the odds to win it all. I really think Fox was trying to recapture '04 and some of the national writers bought into it. I mean that "not wining at home since 1918" crap was nauseating. That's the kind of crap you have to push when teams start collecting championships like the Sox have over the last 10 years to make things seem more interesting.

That said, the gritty and scrappy narrative wasn't a fan creation so I really have no interest in trashing the fans.

//teams with the 4th highest payroll in baseball are not scrappy and gritty, no matter how ugly their beards are.
 
2013-11-03 12:09:08 PM  

skinink: Although I thoyght the subject of the article is weak, he has a point. For a kid who's a Red Sox fan, it seems all the Sox do is win. All the losing and weird stuff that happened to the team before is ancient history. It's a different Sox Era. If you were to tell me years ago that in a ten year span the team would win more WS than any other team, I would think you were an idiot.


Same could be said of the Patriots, Tom Brady era. Opposite could also be said of the Bill Russell-Larry Bird Celtics.

The Bruins have their Cup, and time will tell if the same dichotomy will apply.
 
2013-11-03 12:30:25 PM  

ladodger34: WinoRhino: machoprogrammer: edmo: Couldn't they just enjoy their latest championship and a few brewskis?

/maybe it IS rocket science in Boston

No, you see, they are an underdog team with little finances, no recent success and no connections to PEDs of any kind, so it is just magical that they won.

Just curious, who had been saying anything remotely like that? What team do you root for, anyway?

That was kind of the narrative that the media (especially Fox) tried really hard to spin during the WS. These worst to first dudes with beards really came together and overcame the odds to win it all. I really think Fox was trying to recapture '04 and some of the national writers bought into it. I mean that "not wining at home since 1918" crap was nauseating. That's the kind of crap you have to push when teams start collecting championships like the Sox have over the last 10 years to make things seem more interesting.

That said, the gritty and scrappy narrative wasn't a fan creation so I really have no interest in trashing the fans.

//teams with the 4th highest payroll in baseball are not scrappy and gritty, no matter how ugly their beards are.


Well, as a fan it was really surprising to see them lose 90+ games one year, ship off three big-name players for nothing but a salary dump, and then sign some good-not-great players who won it all their first year together with a new manager. They also lost their first two closers due to injury (thankfully, with the way it worked out). Not to mention scoring more runs and winning more games than any other team. That doesn't happen very often. And as far as payroll is concerned, it's not like they went out and stole all the talent on the market. There were bigger name players than the ones they did sign.

But all that said, I agree. There is no scrappy underdog story. They were a good team that needed some additional parts and a change in leadership. I hate the narratives the press throw out there for added drama. It's all ridiculous. Winning at home? Who cares where they win it. I don't know a single fan who ever said anything about that ever. My first thought when I heard it mentioned on TV was "Wow, that's a non-story. You're really going to go with that? "
 
2013-11-03 12:57:47 PM  
The Red Sox fans that I can feel sympathy for are the ones who were born and died between 1918 and 2004. They deserved better. Better ownership, better and more loyal players, better facilities.

One of the things I've always liked about the Red Sox is their fans' in-your-face attitude and defensiveness and protectiveness of their team's honor and dignity. The pink-hat johnnie-come-latelies are looked down upon by other teams' fans and Red Sox fans alike. Just the other teams' fans tend to lump them all together, and the Red Sox fans don't. I'm not a Sox fan, but I gotta respect them and (most of) their fans.

Enjoy this envy and jealousy (mine included) Red Sox fans, because it may never happen again in your lifetime. It's good to be the King, even if only for a day.
 
2013-11-03 01:27:01 PM  
Quite a few days after the event in fact, when most everyone else had moved on--the day arrived when Subby became so angry that endlessly spamming the sports threads could no longer alleviate his rage. And that is how he became Subby.
 
2013-11-03 02:03:01 PM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: The Red Sox fans that I can feel sympathy for are the ones who were born and died between 1918 and 2004. They deserved better. Better ownership, better and more loyal players, better facilities.

One of the things I've always liked about the Red Sox is their fans' in-your-face attitude and defensiveness and protectiveness of their team's honor and dignity. The pink-hat johnnie-come-latelies are looked down upon by other teams' fans and Red Sox fans alike. Just the other teams' fans tend to lump them all together, and the Red Sox fans don't. I'm not a Sox fan, but I gotta respect them and (most of) their fans.

Enjoy this envy and jealousy (mine included) Red Sox fans, because it may never happen again in your lifetime. It's good to be the King, even if only for a day.


I admit, It's been nice the last few years. Sox win 3 WS, Pats win 3 SB (should've won more) Celts win 1 (again, should've won 2) and oh yes, yawn, the (who cares?) Bruins.

Yep, we're spoiled. Makes up for the past, though (except for the mid 80s Celtics who seldom let us down)
 
2013-11-03 02:07:23 PM  
Still would rather have Boston win the Series than St. Louis.
 
2013-11-03 04:55:10 PM  

lilbjorn: Welcome to your daily Boston hate thread.  Bring it on.  We laugh at your jealousy.


You like apples?
 
2013-11-03 09:59:16 PM  

ladodger34: WinoRhino: machoprogrammer: edmo: Couldn't they just enjoy their latest championship and a few brewskis?

/maybe it IS rocket science in Boston

No, you see, they are an underdog team with little finances, no recent success and no connections to PEDs of any kind, so it is just magical that they won.

Just curious, who had been saying anything remotely like that? What team do you root for, anyway?

That was kind of the narrative that the media (especially Fox) tried really hard to spin during the WS. These worst to first dudes with beards really came together and overcame the odds to win it all. I really think Fox was trying to recapture '04 and some of the national writers bought into it. I mean that "not wining at home since 1918" crap was nauseating. That's the kind of crap you have to push when teams start collecting championships like the Sox have over the last 10 years to make things seem more interesting.

That said, the gritty and scrappy narrative wasn't a fan creation so I really have no interest in trashing the fans.

//teams with the 4th highest payroll in baseball are not scrappy and gritty, no matter how ugly their beards are.


You are forgetting the amazing amount of St. Louis cack that Buck was forced to swallow, especially considering that McCarver was in his final season in the booth and he PLAYED for the Cardinals.

So, let this tail-wagging of "FOX only wanted the Red Sox to win" garbage go bye bye.

I'm not even a huge baseball fan, but if you take off your haters shades... It's not that hard to figure out.

If you think that FOX wanted the Sox to win, you either have a seriously demented East-Coast Bias complex, or you like to eat paste.
 
2013-11-03 11:31:18 PM  

Karma Chameleon: There seem to be way more people complaining about insufferable Sox fans than the actual number of insufferable Sox fans. Confirmation bias is a biatch.


Well, no shiat. There are more people that live away from Mass./Boston than there are living in Mass./Boston (since team allegiance is most strong locally). Seems pretty obvious that there would be fewer fans than people who are sick and tired of the fans.
 
2013-11-04 05:24:02 AM  

fatalvenom: You are forgetting the amazing amount of St. Louis cack that Buck was forced to swallow


Shoepisser's dad is most famous for being the Cardinals' play-by-play man for nearly 50 years, so I highly doubt he was forced.
 
2013-11-04 10:21:18 AM  
I'd feel bad for Boston fans that so much hate is being directed at them if it wasn't for the fact that it is exactly what Yankee fans have had to put up with, especially from the majority of Boston fans, for years.
 
2013-11-04 11:41:16 AM  

idesofmarch: I'd feel bad for Boston fans that so much hate is being directed at them if it wasn't for the fact that it is exactly what Yankee fans have had to put up with, especially from the majority of Boston fans, for years.


Can't argue with that.
 
2013-11-04 12:09:37 PM  
The reality is that all sports fan are insufferable DBs.  That's part of being a fan.  When the team wins, they act like they were playing third base and hitting in the 5 spot last night.  And when the team is bad they want the whole world to know about how loyal and tough they are for making the ultimate sacrifice of buying tickets to see the team on a nice August afternoon and sitting around drinking beer while catching up with loved ones only to have the team ruin their afternoon by losing.

(And yes, I'm a pretty big sports fan.  Why do you ask?)
 
2013-11-04 01:11:05 PM  

fatalvenom: ladodger34: WinoRhino: machoprogrammer: edmo: Couldn't they just enjoy their latest championship and a few brewskis?

/maybe it IS rocket science in Boston

No, you see, they are an underdog team with little finances, no recent success and no connections to PEDs of any kind, so it is just magical that they won.

Just curious, who had been saying anything remotely like that? What team do you root for, anyway?

That was kind of the narrative that the media (especially Fox) tried really hard to spin during the WS. These worst to first dudes with beards really came together and overcame the odds to win it all. I really think Fox was trying to recapture '04 and some of the national writers bought into it. I mean that "not wining at home since 1918" crap was nauseating. That's the kind of crap you have to push when teams start collecting championships like the Sox have over the last 10 years to make things seem more interesting.

That said, the gritty and scrappy narrative wasn't a fan creation so I really have no interest in trashing the fans.

//teams with the 4th highest payroll in baseball are not scrappy and gritty, no matter how ugly their beards are.

You are forgetting the amazing amount of St. Louis cack that Buck was forced to swallow, especially considering that McCarver was in his final season in the booth and he PLAYED for the Cardinals.

So, let this tail-wagging of "FOX only wanted the Red Sox to win" garbage go bye bye.

I'm not even a huge baseball fan, but if you take off your haters shades... It's not that hard to figure out.

If you think that FOX wanted the Sox to win, you either have a seriously demented East-Coast Bias complex, or you like to eat paste.


Not one place in my post did I say that Fox wanted the Sox to win. I said they tried to force a narrative about the Sox during the series because beards and stories about 1918 are allegedly more interesting than a well run organization with a pile of resources that has won 3 WS since '04.

Seriously though, do you think Fox really gives a fark who wins the series once the opponents are set? They want a matchup that's going to compel people to tune in and allow them to set higher rates for next year.
 
2013-11-04 01:28:49 PM  

ladodger34: I said they tried to force a narrative about the Sox during the series because beards and stories about 1918 are allegedly more interesting than a well run organization with a pile of resources that has won 3 WS since '04.


Beats '04 when we had to see a picture of Babe Ruth after every pitch.  Did you know he used to play for the Red Sox and that they sold hZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
 
2013-11-04 01:55:39 PM  

beantowndog: ladodger34: I said they tried to force a narrative about the Sox during the series because beards and stories about 1918 are allegedly more interesting than a well run organization with a pile of resources that has won 3 WS since '04.

Beats '04 when we had to see a picture of Babe Ruth after every pitch.  Did you know he used to play for the Red Sox and that they sold hZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz


I will agree with you on that one. I blame that whole mess on CHB and his profiteering because of the curse.

The story of the '13 Sox should start with the Dodgers trade, dumping Valentine, signing good players, Lester and Lackey pitching well again, and Papi being Papi. If you want, you throw Ferrell into the list as well. Heck, the Boston Strong thing might have been a galvanizing thing too (though I think that stuff is generally overrated).

Some people have even mentioned that the Valentine disaster forced Lucchino to take a backseat (rumor is, Valentine was his hire) to the baseball folks. Who knows if it is true or not.
 
2013-11-04 03:52:55 PM  

WinoRhino: Karma Chameleon: Confirmation bias is a biatch

Did subby even read the article? I have no clue how he was able to read "insufferable" and "douchebag" into it at all. It was a thoughtfully penned article about how a lifetime of experience affects the way you view the team's recent success. He sees this run as something to appreciate and enjoy for the moment, while his son sees it as just something that happens occasionally.

It's apparent how subby views it. Any mention of who won the World Series this year is equal to spiking the ball and rubbing Subby's nose in it. The baseball world should just shut up and let him pout.


It was an article about Boston sports, it was implied
 
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