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2013-11-03 08:32:11 AM
Hell, they were screaming about ACORN for at least a week before the 2004 election. So this is not new.
 
2013-11-03 08:47:43 AM
What a surprise -   havent learned a damn thing - "We just didnt get our message out clearly..." No, dumbasses its clear - 50% of the party (Read: RINO's)  have limits as to how far down the crazy train line they're going to ride before they get off... you'd think the people with the bags of money getting off might wake them up but the obviously firmly believe if they just keep farking that chicken people will begin to see it their way.
 
2013-11-03 08:50:13 AM
you nominate an ultra-rightwing teabagger in a state that's trending blue? yeah, you're gonna lose.

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2013-11-03 08:51:03 AM
Well, they're not wrong.  McAuliffe should have been very beatable.  However, Cuccinelli decided he wanted to change the rules so his buddies could elect him (and EW Jackson and Obenshain).  And then the voters said.. nope, not interested in that.
 
2013-11-03 08:52:33 AM
He's not Right-leaning enough.
 
2013-11-03 08:55:46 AM

starsrift: He's not Right-leaning enough.


Obviously the party needs to purge more centrists and head further to the right.
 
2013-11-03 09:01:53 AM
GOP Guy 1: "We can win the gubernatorial, as long as we don't put up a raving religious teabagger lunatic.
GOP Guy 2: "Good idea! Let's do that!"
[Later]
GOP Guy 1  "What happened?"
GOP Guy 2  "Obviously he wasn't crazy enough."
 
2013-11-03 09:02:46 AM
I think he killed his campaign when he took the stance that oral sex led to child molesting.

Link

/There's a perfect opportunity there to rag on VA, but I have friends there still, and I was stationed there for 3 years and mostly liked it.
 
2013-11-03 09:02:54 AM
you know the ironic thing is the republican party would have a real chance to make some serious gains right now in the hearts and minds of the people except they keep shooting themselves in the foot with a high caliber gun. Obamacare roll out sucks? lets give it three weeks of cover by shutting down the government. Governorship in a key swing state up for grabs? better nominate some yahoo with his pants on his head and not only lose the state but provide the media with fodder that isnt look how much the democrats are sucking at things lately.

sometimes I almost think the republican conspiracy theory that democrats have found a way to sabotage their strategy sessions is true.
 
2013-11-03 09:09:33 AM

LazarusLong42: starsrift: He's not Right-leaning enough.

Obviously the party needs to purge more centrists and head further to the right.


this will be the takeaway from the election. you see, when you start with your conclusion set in stone (conservatism is right, god made the universe in 7 days, etc.), you have to fiddle with the evidence so it fits the conclusion.
 
2013-11-03 09:12:08 AM
So once again the excuse isn't that the message is wrong, it's just that they didn't shout it loudly enough.

This is why you fail.
 
2013-11-03 09:15:56 AM

FlashHarry: LazarusLong42: starsrift: He's not Right-leaning enough.

Obviously the party needs to purge more centrists and head further to the right.

this will be the takeaway from the election. you see, when you start with your conclusion set in stone (conservatism is right, god made the universe in 7 days, etc.), you have to fiddle with the evidence so it fits the conclusion.


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2013-11-03 09:20:21 AM

FlashHarry: LazarusLong42: starsrift: He's not Right-leaning enough.

Obviously the party needs to purge more centrists and head further to the right.

this will be the takeaway from the election. you see, when you start with your conclusion set in stone (conservatism is right, god made the universe in 7 days, etc.), you have to fiddle with the evidence so it fits the conclusion.


I hate to say it, but it seems to me this whole tea party movement won't really be finished until one of them tries to blow himself up in public with a vest full of explosives.
 
2013-11-03 09:21:38 AM
FTFA: "It's not about nominating less conservative candidates, moderating our messaging or changing our principles. It's about effectively connecting with voters on issues they care about," Cox said.

"The more clearly people understand the intentions of a conservative candidate, the less likely they are to support him", said absolutely everybody else.

I also love Church Lady claiming that the problem is that the Republican Establishment forced him to run on economic and policy issues, and that prevented him from getting his anti-abortion stance out more strongly. Yeah, that's the ticket...
 
2013-11-03 09:24:29 AM

jayhawk88: I hate to say it, but it seems to me this whole tea party movement won't really be finished until one all of them try to blow themselves up in public with a vest full of explosives.


FTFY
 
2013-11-03 09:27:05 AM
Republican Governors Association executive director Phil Cox, whose group has spent nearly $8 million boosting Cuccinelli, firmly rejected the idea that the Virginia race reflected any limitations of conservative ideas. But he allowed that there may be lessons to learn about how you go about delivering a conservative message.

Yes, of course. It's not the pizza, it's box in which it is delivered.
 
2013-11-03 09:34:32 AM
Republican Governors Association executive director Phil Cox, whose group has spent nearly $8 million boosting Cuccinelli, firmly rejected the idea that the Virginia race reflected any limitations of conservative ideas. But he allowed that there may be lessons to learn about how you go about delivering a conservative message.

"It's not about nominating less conservative candidates, moderating our messaging or changing our principles. It's about effectively connecting with voters on issues they care about," Cox said.

no, shiats for brains, its about realizing that a lot of people like oral sex and aren't chomos.

 
2013-11-03 09:34:59 AM
Never the message, always the packaging.
 
2013-11-03 09:36:39 AM

jayhawk88: I hate to say it, but it seems to me this whole tea party movement won't really be finished until one of them tries to blow himself up in public with a vest full of explosives.


You really think one of these chickenshiat chickenhawks would take his own life like that?  I agree they have the ego to think such a thing would work to the movement's advantage, but they all want to be around to profit from the drama, so I don't see it happening.  What we'll have is a semiliterate redneck plowing his monster truck wannabe into a Democrat's campaign rally.  The TP's disavowal of connection/responsibility will be so full of dog whistles that canines will be deafend nationwide.
 
2013-11-03 09:44:56 AM
"It's not about nominating less conservative candidates, moderating our messaging or changing our principles. It's about effectively connecting with voters on issues they care about," Cox said.

I don't know ... I'd say your problem is that Cuccinelli was too effective in connecting with voters on issues they care about.  Issues like whether the state should legislate what they do with their genitals.
 
2013-11-03 09:51:56 AM

Karac: "It's not about nominating less conservative candidates, moderating our messaging or changing our principles. It's about effectively connecting with voters on issues they care about," Cox said.

I don't know ... I'd say your problem is that Cuccinelli was too effective in connecting with voters on issues they care about.  Issues like whether the state should legislate what they do with their genitals.


His views on oral sex did not go down well, but he's also on the record as being against spending on improving transportation, which made him very unpopular in northern Virginia. The climate change witch hunt turned off a lot of people too. So yeah, on pretty much every issue that voters care about, he connected all too well.

Add to all that the fact that the corruption issues prevented him attacking McAulliffe where he was weakest i.e. on ethics, and you have a blueprint for a failing campaign.
 
2013-11-03 09:52:28 AM
They lost because they ran an evangelist against a tactician. I agree with them that it wasn't specifically about conservative versus liberal. Liberals would have the same problem. Sad as it is, politics is almost never about policies, and more about who played the game better
 
2013-11-03 10:01:22 AM

Lost Thought 00: They lost because they ran an evangelist against a tactician. I agree with them that it wasn't specifically about conservative versus liberal. Liberals would have the same problem. Sad as it is, politics is almost never about policies, and more about who played the game better


Often, yes (and I say that as a professional campaign manager).  But where on the political spectrum you fall can matter greatly in a wave year - and while this might not be as huge for Dems as 2010 was for Repubs, very few Americans are walking around starry-eyed about the GOP right now.

/ Vote for us and we'll bankrupt your country! / We're the party of fiscal responsibility!
 
2013-11-03 10:04:49 AM
Conservatism cannot fail, it can only be failed. Keep trying harder, Teahadists!
 
2013-11-03 10:05:03 AM

Make More Hinjews: Lost Thought 00: They lost because they ran an evangelist against a tactician. I agree with them that it wasn't specifically about conservative versus liberal. Liberals would have the same problem. Sad as it is, politics is almost never about policies, and more about who played the game better

Often, yes (and I say that as a professional campaign manager).  But where on the political spectrum you fall can matter greatly in a wave year - and while this might not be as huge for Dems as 2010 was for Repubs, very few Americans are walking around starry-eyed about the GOP right now.

/ Vote for us and we'll bankrupt your country! / We're the party of fiscal responsibility!


True, waves matter. Its a bad season to have an R next to your name no matter what. See also that guy who just switched to D in NC
 
2013-11-03 10:13:00 AM

Lost Thought 00: Make More Hinjews: Lost Thought 00: They lost because they ran an evangelist against a tactician. I agree with them that it wasn't specifically about conservative versus liberal. Liberals would have the same problem. Sad as it is, politics is almost never about policies, and more about who played the game better

Often, yes (and I say that as a professional campaign manager).  But where on the political spectrum you fall can matter greatly in a wave year - and while this might not be as huge for Dems as 2010 was for Repubs, very few Americans are walking around starry-eyed about the GOP right now.

/ Vote for us and we'll bankrupt your country! / We're the party of fiscal responsibility!

True, waves matter. Its a bad season to have an R next to your name no matter what. See also that guy who just switched to D in NC


Hehe... that was kind of awesome.
 
2013-11-03 10:17:57 AM

CodeMonkey4Life: Never the message, always the packaging.


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2013-11-03 10:19:33 AM

jayhawk88: FlashHarry: LazarusLong42: starsrift: He's not Right-leaning enough.

Obviously the party needs to purge more centrists and head further to the right.

this will be the takeaway from the election. you see, when you start with your conclusion set in stone (conservatism is right, god made the universe in 7 days, etc.), you have to fiddle with the evidence so it fits the conclusion.

I hate to say it, but it seems to me this whole tea party movement won't really be finished until one of them tries to blow himself up in public with a vest full of explosives.


Ted Cruz came close. Some would argue that he did, in a pussy kind of way.
 
2013-11-03 10:26:51 AM

czetie: His views on oral sex did not go down well


Punnilingus.
 
2013-11-03 10:37:47 AM

Lost Thought 00: They lost because they ran an evangelist against a tactician. I agree with them that it wasn't specifically about conservative versus liberal. Liberals would have the same problem. Sad as it is, politics is almost never about policies, and more about who played the game better


DID SOMEBODY SAY "THE GAME?"

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2013-11-03 10:46:02 AM
I'm going to loathe voting for McAuliffe but this election is really about getting rid of Cuccinelli.
 
2013-11-03 10:51:29 AM
Watching them self immolate is beautiful.

Best part forever?

Totally guilt free.

They have been warned. Have even admitted that they cant continue to be the "Party of Stupid", and they dont learn. They CANT learn.

In their mind, everything that happens to them is someone elses fault. What ever happens to everyone else is their own fault, they just werent bootstrappy enough.
 
2013-11-03 10:54:08 AM
I'm sure it won't take long on Tuesday for the allegations of voter fraud to start pouring out of Virginia.  The GOP---the only way they can possibly lose is if the other side cheats
 
2013-11-03 11:04:22 AM
"Republican Governors Association executive director Phil Cox, whose group has spent nearly $8 million boosting Cuccinelli, firmly rejected the idea that the Virginia race reflected any limitations of conservative ideas."

See, this is not a problem, their voters are just becoming more selective. They need to increase their rhetoric to 11 since 10 is obviously not enough.
 
2013-11-03 11:05:24 AM

Heraclitus: Watching them self immolate is beautiful.

Best part forever?

Totally guilt free.

They have been warned. Have even admitted that they cant continue to be the "Party of Stupid", and they dont learn. They CANT learn.

In their mind, everything that happens to them is someone elses fault. What ever happens to everyone else is their own fault, they just werent bootstrappy enough.


You gotta have FAITH (in blonde, blue-eyed Jesus and his gospel of prosperity).
 
2013-11-03 11:16:35 AM
FTA:

"the GOP's accumulated problems in Virginia have brought the party to the edge of a historic defeat in a nationally pivotal swing state, potentially producing a Republican shutout of all five statewide offices (governor, attorney general, lieutenant governor and two U.S. senators) for the first time since the Nixon administration."

And the teahadists wouldn't even flinch at that loss, full starboard ahead.
 
2013-11-03 11:45:25 AM
You nominate some idiot who wants to criminalize blow jobs and that's what you're going to get.
 
2013-11-03 11:48:08 AM
The thing I noticed in the article is just how ALL OVER THE PLACE it is.

Anti-abortion lady: He didn't focus enough on social issues and instead talked about jobs and the economy, which is a losing otpic!
Business guy: He didn't talk about jobs and the economy enough.
GOP strategist: It's not our message, OR that he's too conservative: he just isn't talking about the things voters care about.

I also love the line about how at the convention they "didn't focus on electability". Guys, you focused on electability with McCain and Romney and that didn't work out for you.

IMO they lost VA because Cooch is a terrible candidate. Blowjobs = Child Molesting isn't a too-conservative stance, it's an insane stance.
 
2013-11-03 12:04:04 PM
As a Virginia voter, God, I *love* this!

FTFA: "Republican Lt. Gov. Bill Bolling, a frequent Cuccinelli critic who abandoned his own campaign for governor late last year, said the attorney general had failed to rebut an entirely predictable negative campaign against him."

FTFA: "Some on the right argue that the GOP would be better off if Cuccinelli had delivered an assertive message on his social views, defining them clearly before Democrats could tar him with an opposition research file. Anti-abortion activist Marjorie Dannenfelser, who leads the Susan B. Anthony List, said Cuccinelli has been hamstrung by an establishment-mandated "jobs, economy, that's all that matters script.""

SO:  In order to win, he needed to a) Convince people that 'No, I'm really not an evil sack of shiat', and b) Proudly declare that 'Yes, I really am an even bigger evil sack of shiat than people think', and do both of those credibly, and simultaneously.

What should be so hard about that?

/glad the Boy Scouts are out selling popcorn for a fund-raiser.  Gonna need a lot come Tuesday night.
 
2013-11-03 12:07:50 PM

Wyalt Derp: czetie: His views on oral sex did not go down well

Punnilingus.


I am a cunning linguist.
 
2013-11-03 12:21:53 PM
his opposition to no fault divorce didn't go over so well either.

mostly because it's pants on head crazy.
 
2013-11-03 12:24:19 PM

Lost Thought 00: They lost because they ran an evangelist against a tactician. I agree with them that it wasn't specifically about conservative versus liberal. Liberals would have the same problem. Sad as it is, politics is almost never about policies, and more about who played the game better



Um, no. That is to say sometimes that can be true but this isn't one of those times.

The problem is that voters may have a short memory but they don't have NO memory. Here in the DC region we're all quite familiar with Cuccinelli, he's been with us for years as Attorney General lurching from one idiotic far-right stupidity to the next. Everyone knows he's the guy vainly fighting to resurrect a law against blowjobs, we all know he tried to intimidate the universities in to discriminating against gays, we all know about his campaign contribution scandals, we know he abused his power to try and dig up dirt on climate researchers at UVA, and etc.... He really lost before he even threw his hat in the ring.

Then on top of that the GOP's far right had a HUGE temper tantrum right before his election - and really farked with life in politically and financially powerful Northern VA. Federal workers, government contractors and people who rely on their patronage are positively endemic to Northern Virginia and Cuccinelli's ideological and political brethren completely farked many of them over. That only serves to remind people how Cuccinelli has been bragging all along that he's like those Tea Party jerks.

And how wonderful is it that the conservative wing is STILL insisting it's because a candidate didn't double down on the derp enough. OMG, that is just delicious. But when folks mix their beliefs with their religion that kind of blind spot is going to happen...
 
2013-11-03 12:46:29 PM
FTFA: "It's not about nominating less conservative candidates, moderating our messaging or changing our principles. It's about effectively connecting with voters on issues they care about," Cox said.

Someone should explain to this guy (and the rest of the GOP) that if they wants to effectively connect with voters on issues they care about, they are going to have to change their principles. He's right about it not being about the messaging; voters are clearly saying, "We read you loud and clear."
 
2013-11-03 01:03:47 PM

mongbiohazard: Lost Thought 00: They lost because they ran an evangelist against a tactician. I agree with them that it wasn't specifically about conservative versus liberal. Liberals would have the same problem. Sad as it is, politics is almost never about policies, and more about who played the game better


Um, no. That is to say sometimes that can be true but this isn't one of those times.

The problem is that voters may have a short memory but they don't have NO memory. Here in the DC region we're all quite familiar with Cuccinelli, he's been with us for years as Attorney General lurching from one idiotic far-right stupidity to the next. Everyone knows he's the guy vainly fighting to resurrect a law against blowjobs, we all know he tried to intimidate the universities in to discriminating against gays, we all know about his campaign contribution scandals, we know he abused his power to try and dig up dirt on climate researchers at UVA, and etc.... He really lost before he even threw his hat in the ring.

Then on top of that the GOP's far right had a HUGE temper tantrum right before his election - and really farked with life in politically and financially powerful Northern VA. Federal workers, government contractors and people who rely on their patronage are positively endemic to Northern Virginia and Cuccinelli's ideological and political brethren completely farked many of them over. That only serves to remind people how Cuccinelli has been bragging all along that he's like those Tea Party jerks.

And how wonderful is it that the conservative wing is STILL insisting it's because a candidate didn't double down on the derp enough. OMG, that is just delicious. But when folks mix their beliefs with their religion that kind of blind spot is going to happen...


I'm new to the northern Virginia area, and what made me decide there was no way I could consider voting for Cuccinelli under any circumstances was reading on fark that an organization called the CCC was promoting him. Once I was reminded about what else "CCC" historically stood for I can't see it as anything but a racial "dog whistle".
 
2013-11-03 01:22:52 PM

FlashHarry: you nominate an ultra-rightwing teabagger in a state that's trending blue? yeah, you're gonna lose.

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Or.....nominate a guy who wants to outlaw oral sex in a state that contains voters who have genitals?  Yeah, you're gonna lose.
 
2013-11-03 02:19:11 PM
"It's not about nominating less conservative candidates, moderating our messaging or changing our principles. It's about effectively connecting with voters on issues they care about," Cox said.

I love how every time the republican party loses an election, it's not because people reject their ideas or because their candidate was too far right, it's the voters' fault for not understanding the message.
 
2013-11-03 02:26:59 PM
Ah, yes, the old "we need to do better at messaging and getting our ideas out to the public" instead of perhaps considering that their ideas a worth fark all.
 
2013-11-03 03:10:36 PM

itcamefromschenectady: mongbiohazard: Lost Thought 00: They lost because they ran an evangelist against a tactician. I agree with them that it wasn't specifically about conservative versus liberal. Liberals would have the same problem. Sad as it is, politics is almost never about policies, and more about who played the game better


Um, no. That is to say sometimes that can be true but this isn't one of those times.

The problem is that voters may have a short memory but they don't have NO memory. Here in the DC region we're all quite familiar with Cuccinelli, he's been with us for years as Attorney General lurching from one idiotic far-right stupidity to the next. Everyone knows he's the guy vainly fighting to resurrect a law against blowjobs, we all know he tried to intimidate the universities in to discriminating against gays, we all know about his campaign contribution scandals, we know he abused his power to try and dig up dirt on climate researchers at UVA, and etc.... He really lost before he even threw his hat in the ring.

Then on top of that the GOP's far right had a HUGE temper tantrum right before his election - and really farked with life in politically and financially powerful Northern VA. Federal workers, government contractors and people who rely on their patronage are positively endemic to Northern Virginia and Cuccinelli's ideological and political brethren completely farked many of them over. That only serves to remind people how Cuccinelli has been bragging all along that he's like those Tea Party jerks.

And how wonderful is it that the conservative wing is STILL insisting it's because a candidate didn't double down on the derp enough. OMG, that is just delicious. But when folks mix their beliefs with their religion that kind of blind spot is going to happen...

I'm new to the northern Virginia area, and what made me decide there was no way I could consider voting for Cuccinelli under any circumstances was reading on fark that an organization called the CCC was promot ...



Yup. It has nothing to do with how the "game was played", it has nothing to do with the wrong sort of ads or the wrong way the stance of the candidate has been portrayed... It's entirely the simplest problem it could be attributed to: the candidate and his ideas suck. Simple as that. They're too extreme and not healthy and a lot of people can see that clearly precisely because the messaging HAS been effective at letting everyone know what the candidate is all about.

The religious right really screwed up the conservative movement. They've made it so that the conservative movement is in an ever more self-defeating spiral. Mixing religion and politics for electoral results all these years has conditioned them to utterly abandon any sort of logical or rational policy crafting in favor of confusing the ideas themselves with the fervor and unfalsifiable emotion of religious belief. So many are simply not able to fathom that the message itself could be the problem that it creates a fatal flaw in their reasoning and it leads them to dig in deeper and deeper.
 
2013-11-03 04:53:49 PM

Heraclitus: Watching them self immolate is beautiful.

Best part forever?

Totally guilt free.

They have been warned. Have even admitted that they cant continue to be the "Party of Stupid", and they dont learn. They CANT learn.

In their mind, everything that happens to them is someone elses fault. What ever happens to everyone else is their own fault, they just werent bootstrappy enough.


THE FIRST STEP IN LEARNING SOMETHING is admitting that you are ignorant or wrong about something.
The GOP hasnt publicly admitted to being wrong about anything for a very, very long time.
 
2013-11-03 05:12:37 PM

namatad: Heraclitus: Watching them self immolate is beautiful.

Best part forever?

Totally guilt free.

They have been warned. Have even admitted that they cant continue to be the "Party of Stupid", and they dont learn. They CANT learn.

In their mind, everything that happens to them is someone elses fault. What ever happens to everyone else is their own fault, they just werent bootstrappy enough.

THE FIRST STEP IN LEARNING SOMETHING is admitting that you are ignorant or wrong about something.
The GOP hasnt publicly admitted to being wrong about anything for a very, very long time.


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