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(Great Falls Tribune)   Being caught on camera violating your city's cell phone ordinance by talking while driving is always embarrassing. Especially when you're the mayor   (greatfallstribune.com) divider line 58
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2013-11-02 06:36:54 PM
Cell phones are less distracting than a carload of children.

Though I've got the bluetooths in my ride so hands free is fine.
 
2013-11-02 06:38:07 PM
It's Great Falls. It's not like there's anything to run into.
 
2013-11-02 06:39:33 PM
This has never happened in the history of ever.
 
2013-11-02 06:39:46 PM
And it wasn't Rob Ford?
 
2013-11-02 06:40:22 PM
Do as I say...
 
2013-11-02 06:43:08 PM
Laws are for the little people.
 
2013-11-02 06:44:05 PM
Winters added, "The person who took the picture is a hypocrite," saying he understands it was a female attorney, to whom he waved as she took the photograph. He said the motorist had an unrestrained dog in her car, and it appeared to him she was not wearing a seat belt. She appeared to be guilty of more than one violation, Winters theorized.

Well then, that makes what you did perfectly OK. Carry on.
 
2013-11-02 06:45:15 PM

untaken_name: Laws are for the little un-incorporated people.

 
2013-11-02 06:48:28 PM

untaken_name: Laws are for the little people.


Especially when those who create them, enforce them, and punish people for breaking them know the laws are bullshiat in the first place.

In 1930, laws were proposed in Massachusetts and St. Louis to ban radios while driving. According to automotive historian Michael Lamm, "Opponents of car radios argued that they distracted drivers and caused accidents, that tuning them took a driver's attention away from the road, and that music could lull a driver to sleep."
Even the Auto Club of New York agreed. In their 1934 poll, 56 percent deemed the car radio a "dangerous distraction." Arguing the other side was the Radio Manufacturers Association, who pointed out that car radios could be used to warn drivers of inclement weather and bad road conditions, as well as keeping them awake when they got drowsy.

<--snip!-->

Eighty years on, the car radio is just another part of the dashboard. But to some, it remains suspect. In 2002, the NHTSA blamed 66% of the 43,000 fatal car crashes on "Playing with the radio or CD."

Read the full text here:  http://mentalfloss.com/article/29631/when-car-radio-was-introduced-pe o ple-freaked-out#ixzz2jX02bANQ 
--brought to you by mental_floss!
 
2013-11-02 06:49:56 PM

untaken_name: Laws are for the little people.


Came here for the obvious, leaving happily.
 
2013-11-02 06:52:36 PM
""I pull over as quickly as I can," Winters said. "When somebody's calling the mayor, the mayor ought to answer the phone.""

The Mayor don't bother nobody and nobody don't bother the Mayor.

iveneverdonethat.com

Always do the right thing, Mayor.
 
2013-11-02 06:54:09 PM
Assuming the picture taker was not using a real comera but a cell phone camera, she was violating the ordinance too. The mayor should just shut up and pay the ticket.
 
2013-11-02 06:54:25 PM

phrawgh: untaken_name: Laws are for the little people.

Especially when those who create them, enforce them, and punish people for breaking them know the laws are bullshiat in the first place.

In 1930, laws were proposed in Massachusetts and St. Louis to ban radios while driving. According to automotive historian Michael Lamm, "Opponents of car radios argued that they distracted drivers and caused accidents, that tuning them took a driver's attention away from the road, and that music could lull a driver to sleep."
Even the Auto Club of New York agreed. In their 1934 poll, 56 percent deemed the car radio a "dangerous distraction." Arguing the other side was the Radio Manufacturers Association, who pointed out that car radios could be used to warn drivers of inclement weather and bad road conditions, as well as keeping them awake when they got drowsy.

<--snip!-->

Eighty years on, the car radio is just another part of the dashboard. But to some, it remains suspect. In 2002, the NHTSA blamed 66% of the 43,000 fatal car crashes on "Playing with the radio or CD."

Read the full text here:  http://mentalfloss.com/article/29631/when-car-radio-was-introduced-pe o ple-freaked-out#ixzz2jX02bANQ 
--brought to you by mental_floss!


I'm unsure of your point - you actually state that roughly 28,000 fatal car crashes in 2002 were caused by the very device you trivialize earlier in your post.

Is there a "risk vs reward" ratio I missed that says, "sure, 28,000+ folks died fiddling with the radio, but the convenience of having a car radio outweighs their tragic deaths, so it's OK to not only trivialize those deaths, but then use that ratio in a false equivalency comparison?"

Even with preset buttons, voice commands, and decades of improvement in the interface, apparently, car radios kill thousands every year - and you don't even have to hold them to your head!
 
2013-11-02 06:55:18 PM
 
2013-11-02 06:55:37 PM
Not sure how taking a picture of the offender with your phone is less distracting than him talking on it.
 
2013-11-02 06:56:17 PM
Talking on the phone while driving should be legal. Really not much different from talking to other people in the car. Your driving might be slightly worse because you're now a bit distracted, but you're in control. Smart people would still avoid it, using hands free devices or waiting until later, as opposed to increasing their chances of getting into an accident.

We should be a bit more strict about texting and driving, as your eyes are literally off the road and on the phone for an extended period of time.

Re: this story: let the Mayor be. He was doing Mayor things, probably. What about the lady in the car that whipped her phone out to snap a picture? Apparently with an unrestrained dog and no seat belt. Oh, Great Falls.
 
2013-11-02 06:58:10 PM

wiredroach: Not sure how taking a picture of the offender with your phone is less distracting than him talking on it.


The correct action then is to give them both citations, not to cancel them out and give neither of them citations.  "Nuh uh u" is no longer a valid defense after the age of 7 or so.
 
2013-11-02 07:08:14 PM

untaken_name: Laws are for the little people.


..and end scene.
 
2013-11-02 07:10:29 PM
Stupid law or not, gotta say that it speaks volumes to the mayor's character when he immediately finger points instead of putting on his big boy pants and acknowledging that he shouldn't have broken an ordinance that he helped pass.
 
2013-11-02 07:13:07 PM

Tourney3p0: wiredroach: Not sure how taking a picture of the offender with your phone is less distracting than him talking on it.

The correct action then is to give them both citations, not to cancel them out and give neither of them citations.  "Nuh uh u" is no longer a valid defense after the age of 7 or so.


That was kind of my point...
 
2013-11-02 07:17:00 PM
Heck, 99% of people probably don't even know that "Bluetooth" was kind of named after
King Harald I of Denmark, who had a bad tooth, which was referred to as a "blue" tooth,
hince his initials,  H & B (his name was really,  Harald "Bluetooth" Gormsson )
Combine the H&B, and you arrive at this:


img.fark.net
 
2013-11-02 07:26:27 PM

p51d007: Heck, 99% of people probably don't even know that "Bluetooth" was kind of named after
King Harald I of Denmark, who had a bad tooth, which was referred to as a "blue" tooth,
hince his initials,  H & B (his name was really,  Harald "Bluetooth" Gormsson )
Combine the H&B, and you arrive at this:


This is 100% nonsense. They call it Bluetooth because it was developed by Miguel Dientatrista, whose name loosely translates to "sad (or blue) tooth."
 
2013-11-02 07:26:44 PM
Who cares for the little people more than then those we vote into office?
 
2013-11-02 07:38:00 PM

fusillade762: Winters added, "The person who took the picture is a hypocrite," saying he understands it was a female attorney, to whom he waved as she took the photograph. He said the motorist had an unrestrained dog in her car, and it appeared to him she was not wearing a seat belt. She appeared to be guilty of more than one violation, Winters theorized.

Well then, that makes what you did perfectly OK. Carry on.


That's what I've never understood about the whole "pot calling the kettle black". Perhaps it is true, but that doesn't change the fact the kettle is black (metaphorically speaking).
 
2013-11-02 07:40:15 PM

p51d007: Heck, 99% of people probably don't even knowcare that "Bluetooth" was kind of named after...


/ftfy
//also knew that
///except the logo part
////you know Harald Gormsson died?
//slashies
 
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2013-11-02 07:43:37 PM
Tourney3p0: The correct action then is to give them both citations, not to cancel them out and give neither of them citations. "Nuh uh u" is no longer a valid defense after the age of 7 or so.

Except in the NFL. Offsetting fouls, repeat drive home.

But seriously, while I wouldn't be outraged if a normal person did this, he doesn't get a pass. If an active proponent of the measure violates it, take away his phone privileges as well as his license for a while. Let him learn how good his city's public transit and/or taxi service is.
 
2013-11-02 08:00:41 PM

phrawgh: untaken_name: Laws are for the little people.

Especially when those who create them, enforce them, and punish people for breaking them know the laws are bullshiat in the first place.

In 1930, laws were proposed in Massachusetts and St. Louis to ban radios while driving. According to automotive historian Michael Lamm, "Opponents of car radios argued that they distracted drivers and caused accidents, that tuning them took a driver's attention away from the road, and that music could lull a driver to sleep."
Even the Auto Club of New York agreed. In their 1934 poll, 56 percent deemed the car radio a "dangerous distraction." Arguing the other side was the Radio Manufacturers Association, who pointed out that car radios could be used to warn drivers of inclement weather and bad road conditions, as well as keeping them awake when they got drowsy.

<--snip!-->

Eighty years on, the car radio is just another part of the dashboard. But to some, it remains suspect. In 2002, the NHTSA blamed 66% of the 43,000 fatal car crashes on "Playing with the radio or CD."

Read the full text here:  http://mentalfloss.com/article/29631/when-car-radio-was-introduced-pe o ple-freaked-out#ixzz2jX02bANQ 
--brought to you by mental_floss!


It's not like the driver is going to admit what they were really playing with.

/penis
 
2013-11-02 08:03:04 PM
Yeah, dipshiat mayor, the women is breaking the stupid ordinance too, but guess what? She's not the one who enacted it. farking retard.
 
2013-11-02 08:07:49 PM

oryx: Assuming the picture taker was not using a real comera but a cell phone camera, she was violating the ordinance too. The mayor should just shut up and pay the ticket.


Now passengers aren't allowed to use phones either?
 
2013-11-02 08:14:59 PM
Great Falls, MT rush hour.

www.carinsurancequotescomparison.com
 
2013-11-02 08:19:45 PM
wiredroach:
The correct action then is to give them both citations, not to cancel them out and give neither of them citations.  "Nuh uh u" is no longer a valid defense after the age of 7 or so.

That was kind of my point...


The point of the article was "mayor breaks law".  Someone else did too, sure.  But that wasn't an issue until you brought it up.  Not really sure you made your point in the best possible way.
 
2013-11-02 08:24:17 PM
But you don't understand! This call is important!!!

CruJones: Cell phones are less distracting than a carload of children.

Though I've got the bluetooths in my ride so hands free is fine.


What a hands-free child might look like after a cell phone causes an accident.

i.telegraph.co.uk
 
2013-11-02 08:35:15 PM

Tourney3p0: The point of the article was "mayor breaks law". Someone else did too, sure. But that wasn't an issue until you brought it up. Not really sure you made your point in the best possible way.


The only reason the article exists is because the attorney broke the law to take the pic of the mayor breaking the law. It seems relevant.
 
2013-11-02 08:43:12 PM

wiredroach: Tourney3p0: The point of the article was "mayor breaks law". Someone else did too, sure. But that wasn't an issue until you brought it up. Not really sure you made your point in the best possible way.

The only reason the article exists is because the attorney broke the law to take the pic of the mayor breaking the law. It seems relevant.


Allegedly. According only to the mayor who was busted for breaking the law.
 
2013-11-02 08:55:50 PM

Fano: Allegedly. According only to the mayor who was busted for breaking the law.


No, a photo was definitely taken of the mayor by a fellow motorist.
 
2013-11-02 09:08:35 PM
The rules dont apply to the rulers.
 
2013-11-02 09:17:23 PM

wiredroach: Fano: Allegedly. According only to the mayor who was busted for breaking the law.

No, a photo was definitely taken of the mayor by a fellow motorist.


Nothing that he alleges is evident from the photo of him breaking the law.
 
2013-11-02 09:20:05 PM

darthgarlic: The rules dont apply to the rulers.


So you expect your leaders to  be holier than thou?
 
2013-11-02 09:23:31 PM

fusillade762: Winters added, "The person who took the picture is a hypocrite," saying he understands it was a female attorney, to whom he waved as she took the photograph. He said the motorist had an unrestrained dog in her car, and it appeared to him she was not wearing a seat belt. She appeared to be guilty of more than one violation, Winters theorized.

Well then, that makes what you did perfectly OK. Carry on.


He deserves a punch in the face for those comments. Either he's above the law or he's not. Pick one, asshat.
 
2013-11-02 09:24:49 PM

Fano: wiredroach: Fano: Allegedly. According only to the mayor who was busted for breaking the law.

No, a photo was definitely taken of the mayor by a fellow motorist.

Nothing that he alleges is evident from the photo of him breaking the law.


Cellphone user with a grudge captures arch enemy cellphone user (inappropriately) using cellphone inappropriately.
 
2013-11-02 09:27:47 PM

Jument: fusillade762: Winters added, "The person who took the picture is a hypocrite," saying he understands it was a female attorney, to whom he waved as she took the photograph. He said the motorist had an unrestrained dog in her car, and it appeared to him she was not wearing a seat belt. She appeared to be guilty of more than one violation, Winters theorized.

Well then, that makes what you did perfectly OK. Carry on.

He deserves a punch in the face for those comments. Either he's above the law or he's not. Pick one, asshat.


The author of a law is not the spirit of the law.  Criticizing the law because its author breaks it?  People do stuff, even stuff they sometimes rally against.
 
2013-11-02 09:44:37 PM
Haven't you figured it out yet, subby? Politicians don't get embarrassed.
 
2013-11-02 09:49:42 PM

clowncar on fire: Jument: fusillade762: Winters added, "The person who took the picture is a hypocrite," saying he understands it was a female attorney, to whom he waved as she took the photograph. He said the motorist had an unrestrained dog in her car, and it appeared to him she was not wearing a seat belt. She appeared to be guilty of more than one violation, Winters theorized.

Well then, that makes what you did perfectly OK. Carry on.

He deserves a punch in the face for those comments. Either he's above the law or he's not. Pick one, asshat.

The author of a law is not the spirit of the law.  Criticizing the law because its author breaks it?  People do stuff, even stuff they sometimes rally against.



Hm? I'm not criticizing the law. I think the law is fine. I'm criticizing him for being a whiney little biatch instead of just owning up like an adult.
 
2013-11-02 09:56:37 PM
I just don't see what is so hard about not driving while using your phone. If you were really that important, someone would be driving you.
 
2013-11-02 10:27:54 PM
Marion Barry scoffs in your general direction.
 
2013-11-02 10:30:08 PM

flyingbiscuit: Amateur,   Rob Ford shows how it should be done

http://www.thestar.com/news/city_hall/2012/08/21/mayor_rob_ford_refu se s_to_hire_a_driver.html


The news this week suggests that he refuses a driver so he can pick up "envelopes" from his buddy, the drug dealer, drink in school parking lots (and pee there too!) and make handovers at gas station bathrooms.

The mayor in this story is a rank amateur compared to Toronto's!
 
2013-11-02 10:36:40 PM
My town has a cellphone ban as well.
When they first enacted it, they exempted all City employees from the ban.
That apparently included the Aldermen.
When I questioned my Alderman about this, they promptly changed to subject to my home and mentioned how they "hoped" everything was up to City Code!
 
2013-11-02 10:53:30 PM

Johnson: My town has a cellphone ban as well.
When they first enacted it, they exempted all City employees from the ban.
That apparently included the Aldermen.
When I questioned my Alderman about this, they promptly changed to subject to my home and mentioned how they "hoped" everything was up to City Code!


Surrrrrre they did.  Name the town, when the code was enacted and the name of your alderman.
 
2013-11-02 11:42:36 PM
Could be worse. I mean, it's not like he smoked crack or something.

storage.canoe.ca
 
2013-11-03 12:00:34 AM

Fano: No, a photo was definitely taken of the mayor by a fellow motorist.

Nothing that he alleges is evident from the photo of him breaking the law.


I never said it was.
 
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