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2013-11-02 10:47:06 AM  
Bet its cause of soccer. It's soccer, isn't it.
 
2013-11-02 10:59:17 AM  
1) It is too expensive to take your child to the game.  The cost of a ticket, parking, a hot dog and soda is ridiculous.

2) Baseball is slow.  Batters stepping out of the box and adjusting every piece of equipment after every pitch (even if they take the pitch) is a drag.  Pitchers taking a minute or more to get ready to wind up is a drag.  Baseball needs to take a page from women's softball, the batter has 10 seconds to get in the box after a pitch and the pitcher has 10 seconds to throw the ball.  There is a play every 20 seconds.  Women's softball moves.

3) Baseball is slow enough as it is then commercials break up any flow.

4) Baseball is hard to  learn.  It isn't easy to hit the ball and if you have a crappy kid pitching, it be 15 or 20 minutes between hits.  If you have a bad pitcher and a bad batter then playing in field is boring.  Any doofus can run and kick a ball and play soccer.  Even the fat useless doofus kids can be plopped on the defensive line and play football.
 
2013-11-02 11:07:10 AM  
Because it's f*ckin boring.
 
2013-11-02 11:08:28 AM  
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2013-11-02 11:15:17 AM  
Baseball is calculating and cerebral. This generation of mouth-breathers are anything but.
 
2013-11-02 11:19:26 AM  
I finally sat down to watch a whole baseball game on TV.  I'm 33, grew up on football, and knew nothing about baseball.  Hubby had to explain it to me.  That being said, once I understood the rules and the lingo the announcers were using, the game was enjoyable.  I'm told that it's much better to see a game in person, but that can be expensive.
 
2013-11-02 11:26:04 AM  
Because baseball is calculated and strategic while this generation of sports fans b*tches about football being ruined because players can't tackle each other with their heads anymore.
 
2013-11-02 11:30:04 AM  
Stay in the goddamn batter's box and wait for the freakin pitches.
 
2013-11-02 11:32:53 AM  

JerseyTim: Stay in the goddamn batter's box and wait for the freakin pitches.


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2013-11-02 11:46:20 AM  
Sad, indeed. :(
 
2013-11-02 11:51:51 AM  

NewportBarGuy: Because it's f*ckin boring.


This.
 
2013-11-02 11:58:59 AM  

raerae1980: I finally sat down to watch a whole baseball game on TV.  I'm 33, grew up on football, and knew nothing about baseball.  Hubby had to explain it to me.  That being said, once I understood the rules and the lingo the announcers were using, the game was enjoyable.  I'm told that it's much better to see a game in person, but that can be expensive.


I think the game flows better when your at the park.  The big advantage of watching it on TV is that you can see the pitches, you can see the movement on the ball and you know if it is a ball or a strike.

My wife and I like watching baseball together and we play a little game to make it more fun.  When the pitcher throws a strike I give her a kiss and she kisses me on the balls.
 
2013-11-02 12:00:21 PM  
Maybe someone needs to design a baseball bat that looks like a big iPhone. Keyboards on the bases ect.
 
2013-11-02 12:05:40 PM  
Baseball is good for taking a nap, it's just that kids want to nap while playing it.

/S
//L
///O
////W
 
2013-11-02 12:10:59 PM  

Muta: 1) It is too expensive to take your child to the game.  The cost of a ticket, parking, a hot dog and soda is ridiculous.


This.
 
2013-11-02 12:21:05 PM  
When I was a kid growing up in the 60's, there was shiat on TV, no internet, no video games, no cell phones.  We always ran out of ammo by Sunday.  So there was nothing left but lawn darts, baseball, or bb gun wars.  Naturally, we mostly played bb gun wars.
 
2013-11-02 12:22:29 PM  

Muta: Baseball is slow enough as it is then commercials break up any flow


And now add in instant replay.
 
2013-11-02 12:29:16 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Naturally, we mostly played bb gun wars.


We did the same thing. Except our 'war games' got out of hand. Cops, juvie hall, school suspensions.

Ah, sweet childhood memories.
 
2013-11-02 12:30:36 PM  

NewportBarGuy: Because it's f*ckin boring.


Well, came to make sure that was covered, it was, I'll be on my way.
 
2013-11-02 12:34:37 PM  

CavalierEternal: Because baseball is calculated and strategic while this generation of sports fans b*tches about football being ruined because players can't tackle each other with their heads anymore.


The strategy in baseball mainly boils down to statistics.  The strategy in football revolves around competitive adjustments by the players on both teams as well as the coaches and coordinators to identify weak spots on the other team, multiple feints to draw them into the positions most advantageous to yourself, and carefully orchestrated and executed plays where 11 different men are each doing something different in complete unison to get the ball to the right guy in that split second when he has a chance to run through the gauntlet unopposed.

 The strategy in football is just more exciting, at least to me.  Do you want to bet that your opponent is going to run and bring your safeties in for extra protection while possibly leaving yourself up for a big pass, or do you leave your secondary back and possibly give up ground if he drives it up the middle?  It's 3rd and 8, and your RB has been averaging 5 yards per carry, your opponent's defense is setting up in the nickel, do you give them the pass that they're expecting, or try to take advantage of mismatch and run it up the gut instead?  It's 4th and 2, you've been manhandling their D-line all day, do you go for it on your own 30?  How about on their 40?

There's a ton of strategy in football, a lot more than I've ever seen in baseball, but I'll freely admit I'm not a big baseball fan.
 
2013-11-02 12:38:17 PM  

Godscrack: Marcus Aurelius: Naturally, we mostly played bb gun wars.

We did the same thing. Except our 'war games' got out of hand. Cops, juvie hall, school suspensions.

Ah, sweet childhood memories.


We lived too far away from anything to get into any real trouble.  Until we got motorcycles.
 
2013-11-02 12:40:08 PM  

Muta: 1) It is too expensive to take your child to the game.  The cost of a ticket, parking, a hot dog and soda is ridiculous.

2) Baseball is slow.  Batters stepping out of the box and adjusting every piece of equipment after every pitch (even if they take the pitch) is a drag.  Pitchers taking a minute or more to get ready to wind up is a drag.  Baseball needs to take a page from women's softball, the batter has 10 seconds to get in the box after a pitch and the pitcher has 10 seconds to throw the ball.  There is a play every 20 seconds.  Women's softball moves.

3) Baseball is slow enough as it is then commercials break up any flow.

4) Baseball is hard to  learn.  It isn't easy to hit the ball and if you have a crappy kid pitching, it be 15 or 20 minutes between hits.  If you have a bad pitcher and a bad batter then playing in field is boring.  Any doofus can run and kick a ball and play soccer.  Even the fat useless doofus kids can be plopped on the defensive line and play football.



All of these can be said about most sports.

1 Football tickets are the most expensive.
2. All games are slowed down way more than they should be with all the tv time outs and officiating and what not.
3. see 2. why do they have to have a 2 minute commerical break after a  kickoff in a football game?
4. I don't think 8 year olds will be draining 3 pointers or executing a west coast offense. I guess baseball is just not able to turn into a game of dog ball. You can play piggy or 500 and soft toss. If the kids can't pitch well enough get them a tee or an adult to pitch.

/ I can't play baseball for crap but I had fun trying.
 
2013-11-02 12:41:29 PM  
TV.

As a kid in the pre-cable era, summer afternoon TV (3 channels on the black-and-white Zenith) was either soaps or stickball.  You watched stickball if you watched teevee.

Now, either you have cable/dish, and 100 other channels (a few of which are kid-targeting all day), or if you're in the 15% who still use an antenna you don't get baseball any more (at least around here... hell, even the Braves are cable-only now).
 
2013-11-02 12:41:43 PM  
Marcus Aurelius:

We lived too far away from anything to get into any real trouble.  Until we got motorcycles.

Mine all started with the 4.5hp Tecumseh mini-bike.
 
2013-11-02 12:42:24 PM  

Muta: 1) It is too expensive to take your child to the game.  The cost of a ticket, parking, a hot dog and soda is ridiculous.


One of the things I heard on Sports Radio a few years ago was a discussion on getting kids into baseball. Someone made the recommendation that the stadiums should donate tickets to undersold games to schools. While it'd be a crappy game, it's a more exciting experience than watching it on the TV. The stadium also has the chance to fill more seats then.

I'm not a huge baseball fan but III have a chance to watch it in person then I'd happily go. I was lucky to have a AAA team (Toledo Mud Hens) in a nice stadium and they had cheap tickets. I didnt go to an MLB game until a few years ago (free tickets)
 
2013-11-02 12:42:54 PM  

CavalierEternal: Because baseball is calculated and strategic while this generation of sports fans b*tches about football being ruined because players can't tackle each other with their heads anymore.


Just because something is slow doesn't mean it's strategic.

Baseball is as dull as dirt.  There are countless other entertainment options that cost less to watch and are more fun to participate in.
 
2013-11-02 12:43:16 PM  

Muta: raerae1980: I finally sat down to watch a whole baseball game on TV.  I'm 33, grew up on football, and knew nothing about baseball.  Hubby had to explain it to me.  That being said, once I understood the rules and the lingo the announcers were using, the game was enjoyable.  I'm told that it's much better to see a game in person, but that can be expensive.

I think the game flows better when your at the park.  The big advantage of watching it on TV is that you can see the pitches, you can see the movement on the ball and you know if it is a ball or a strike.

My wife and I like watching baseball together and we play a little game to make it more fun.  When the pitcher throws a strike I give her a kiss and she kisses me on the balls.


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2013-11-02 12:49:02 PM  

Muta: 1) It is too expensive to take your child to the game.  The cost of a ticket, parking, a hot dog and soda is ridiculous.


When I was growing up in Cincinnati in the 70's, anything in Riverfront stadium in the Red seats (tier 3) were $1.25 for weekday games.  However, the stadium was never full, so we'd get tickets and then move to wherever the hell we felt like.  Hot dogs were still expensive, but I think they were less than a dollar.

Now football?  THAT shiat is expensive.
 
2013-11-02 12:51:08 PM  
Nothing like going to a baseball game in person.  Watching a typical regular season game on tv, however, is pretty boring.

But one thing that sucks is how every farking stadium seems to feel the need to assault you with a wall of sound in between innings, when a batter comes to the plate, and every opportunity where there could be a few seconds of silence.  (not just baseball)
 
2013-11-02 12:52:55 PM  

Lsherm: Muta: 1) It is too expensive to take your child to the game.  The cost of a ticket, parking, a hot dog and soda is ridiculous.

When I was growing up in Cincinnati in the 70's, anything in Riverfront stadium in the Red seats (tier 3) were $1.25 for weekday games.  However, the stadium was never full, so we'd get tickets and then move to wherever the hell we felt like.  Hot dogs were still expensive, but I think they were less than a dollar.


Cost of an Indians game this past season:

Bleacher seat: $10
Parking: $12
Hot Dog: $3
Soda (Large): $6

/Went to 24 Indians games this season
//It's not that expensive
 
2013-11-02 12:53:20 PM  
A few spring-loaded bases, a few mines in the outfield, making each player hold a furious baboon while batting and before you know it you're atop the ratings.
 
2013-11-02 12:53:35 PM  
Because enjoying baseball requires beer, and ever since 1932, stadiums stopped selling beer to kids.
 
2013-11-02 12:56:20 PM  

BunkyBrewman: Nothing like going to a baseball game in person.  Watching a typical regular season game on tv, however, is pretty boring.

But one thing that sucks is how every farking stadium seems to feel the need to assault you with a wall of sound in between innings, when a batter comes to the plate, and every opportunity where there could be a few seconds of silence.  (not just baseball)


I think it's true for any sport that it's better in person.  The atmosphere of the stadium or arena, the energy of the crowd, being able to see everything instead of just what the camera wants to focus on, etc.

I was never a fan of basketball until I started going to games in college, and now I enjoy it and even watch it on TV.  I've been to a few baseball games in person, and they're certainly more entertaining that way than on TV, but it still doesn't do a whole lot for me.

I think another big problem with baseball is that there are just too many games.  With basketball or football you get the impression that every game matters, and in football especially with single elimination playoffs there's a weight to every game.  For a baseball team, with 162+ games per team in baseball, each game feels less major.
 
2013-11-02 12:57:08 PM  
Take kids to a baseball game, it might change their minds...or have your hometeam win the Series, that helps.
 
2013-11-02 12:57:47 PM  
Meh, any game where they can play back to back (doubleheaders) games is not that great of a sport.
 
2013-11-02 01:03:38 PM  
I lost interest in that article before the end of the first paragraph.

If baseball became a game for adults during around the time of the civil war, why was it the most popular sport during the first half of the 20th century?

The reality is that it was popular because you can follow a game without watching it.  You can read a short newspaper account of a game and know exactly what happened pretty much play by play.   If you know the game, you can visualize it nearly perfectly based on the play by play announcer's words.

TV made those features less relevant, leading to the rise of football, basketball, the spread of hockey, and racing sports, which can only be appreciated visually.
 
2013-11-02 01:03:45 PM  
Riots break out to often at sports games.

Why on earth would you take a child to somewhere where they will be exposed to rampant alcoholism, vulgar language, homophobia, bullying and frequently physical fights?

cdn.bleacherreport.net
 /Lets take our kids to this!
 
2013-11-02 01:05:05 PM  
TuteTibiImperes:

I was never a fan of basketball until I started going to games in college, and now I enjoy it and even watch it on TV.

Same here.  But I transferred to UNLV when we were in our glory years.  Lucky enough to have sat behind the baskets for most of my college years.  The pre-game introductions and fireworks show is something to behold.  (oh, and the team wasn't half bad either!)

/duke sucks
 
2013-11-02 01:05:22 PM  

Aar1012: Toledo Mud Hens


Also a fan:
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2013-11-02 01:09:10 PM  

CavalierEternal: //It's not that expensive


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2013-11-02 01:09:38 PM  

Lsherm: Muta: 1) It is too expensive to take your child to the game.  The cost of a ticket, parking, a hot dog and soda is ridiculous.

When I was growing up in Cincinnati in the 70's, anything in Riverfront stadium in the Red seats (tier 3) were $1.25 for weekday games.  However, the stadium was never full, so we'd get tickets and then move to wherever the hell we felt like.  Hot dogs were still expensive, but I think they were less than a dollar.

Now football?  THAT shiat is expensive.


The brothers and I were in the Dodger-Pepsi Fan Club for several years during the 1970s. For a few dollars and a few bottle caps, one could get tickets to 5 or 6 games (Top Deck or Pavilion seats) and goodies like t-shirts, patches, caps, etc. (they varied each year).
 
2013-11-02 01:11:16 PM  

fluffy2097: Riots break out to often at sports games.

Why on earth would you take a child to somewhere where they will be exposed to rampant alcoholism, vulgar language, homophobia, bullying and frequently physical fights?

[cdn.bleacherreport.net image 350x258]
 /Lets take our kids to this!


We called that college back in my day
 
2013-11-02 01:15:36 PM  

BunkyBrewman: Marcus Aurelius:

We lived too far away from anything to get into any real trouble.  Until we got motorcycles.

Mine all started with the 4.5hp Tecumseh mini-bike.


We lashed any engine available onto everything from motorbikes to barn doors.  It was a Honda 70 dirt bike that gave me range.  Followed by a Norton Commander 750 that burned up points almost as fast as it burned gas and oil.
 
2013-11-02 01:19:46 PM  
I love baseball. I watch most of the Cardinal games. My 9-year-old son just doesn't get into it, usually. Sometimes he'll watch a watch a couple innings, and he does seem to "like" baseball, but he just doesn't have the attention span. And he's one of those kids who's into Yi-Gi_Oh cards and Pokemon and all that stuff. His classmates all are into video games (sounds like mostly ones they shouldn't be playing, ie GTA, CallofDuty) and we can't afford a 360 or PS3 or any new Wii games besides the couple he has. He goes to a mostly minority elementary school, and the old stereotype of "they all like basketball" is accurate there.
 
2013-11-02 01:24:40 PM  

bigpeeler: This generation of mouth-breathers are anything but.


I thought that was a little harsh then i saw:

Login: bigpeeler
Location: Missouri


and yeah I understand now and agree
 
2013-11-02 01:35:17 PM  
Want more kids to watch the games?  Start some of the big games earlier than 8pm. How about one or two day games for the World Series?  Or put the All-Star Game on a Saturday/Sunday afternoon.
 
2013-11-02 01:38:13 PM  

Prairie Phoenix: I love baseball. I watch most of the Cardinal games. My 9-year-old son just doesn't get into it, usually. Sometimes he'll watch a watch a couple innings, and he does seem to "like" baseball, but he just doesn't have the attention span. And he's one of those kids who's into Yi-Gi_Oh cards and Pokemon and all that stuff. His classmates all are into video games (sounds like mostly ones they shouldn't be playing, ie GTA, CallofDuty) and we can't afford a 360 or PS3 or any new Wii games besides the couple he has. He goes to a mostly minority elementary school, and the old stereotype of "they all like basketball" is accurate there.


Can you take him to a game? My love affair with baseball began around that age when my dad took me to a game.
 
2013-11-02 01:40:26 PM  
I think a part of the equation not in the article is that the NBA and NFL have their share of not able/barely able to drink players that get a lot of media attention whereas even the top MLB prospects have to gut it out in the minors for a few years without the notoriety.
 
2013-11-02 01:48:35 PM  
We don't let the kids play outside anymore because we're too busy helicopter parenting.  So it means no sandlot kickball; no fast-pitch against the elementary school wall; no home run derby at the park with whiffle balls; no pick-up softball games; no stickball in city streets.  Hell, our schools would probably throw you out for bringing a weapon if you arrived with a baseball bat.
 
2013-11-02 01:49:10 PM  
Lacrosse is just eviscerating baseball in our area. The number of kids dropping baseball for lacrosse has just exploded in the last 7 yrs or so. Most kids I know want nothing to do with baseball after age 8.
 
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