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2013-11-02 07:42:18 PM  

born_yesterday: soporific: smilingcorpse: I haven't started the second season of arrow yet, but im pretty excited for it. It took about half a season for me to really get into that show, but it has direction from the beginning. You knew what it wanted to do and where it was going. I was never a green arrow fan, but they turned me into one. Shield needs focus. Really flesh out two characters. It shouldn't be hard to fix the show.

Agreed. And I'm loving Arrow's second season. I really had my doubts and only watched the first episode out of curiosity, expecting a trainwreck. Instead, I got sucked into to a great superhero show that knows how to execute a story arc.

This is good to know, as I had written it off unfairly as "Smallville 2".


Nope, so far I'm finding it better than Smallville was, and I liked Smallville with a few exceptions. The biggest difference that I'm happy about is that even though Ollie had a love interest it's not as schmaltzy and drawn out as the whole Clark/Lana bit was. Not to mention the characters have realistic flaws and aren't picture perfect the way the Kents were depicted.
 
2013-11-02 07:56:19 PM  

eddievercetti: hammer85: Deathstroke has been around since season 1. Their most recent additions are brother blood, black canary, ras al ghul/league of shadows, and hints at professor ivo and amazo.

See SHIELD, there's your problem, you don't have recognizable characters!

Fark, add NEXTWAVE, Power Pack, Squirrel Girl, Union Jack yet you add Scorch who gets axed as soon as we met him.


Power Pack? NEXTWAVE? F*CK and YES.
 
2013-11-02 08:04:37 PM  

eddievercetti: ArcadianRefugee: eddievercetti: 6. KILL OFF SKYE.

You there, yes you. STFU.

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Wow boobs. There's this thing called character development...

Wait, you want her boobs bigger?

No.


I was making a weak joke.
 
2013-11-02 08:13:13 PM  

eddievercetti: BTW May and Simmons are hotter.


Also silly.

Fact is, EVERYONE on the show is fairly attractive. That's why American TV annoys me; their primary interest when casting seems more to be to find attractive actors* than good actors.

* there are always exceptions, I know
 
2013-11-02 08:18:48 PM  

Dingleberry Dickwad: born_yesterday: soporific: smilingcorpse: I haven't started the second season of arrow yet, but im pretty excited for it. It took about half a season for me to really get into that show, but it has direction from the beginning. You knew what it wanted to do and where it was going. I was never a green arrow fan, but they turned me into one. Shield needs focus. Really flesh out two characters. It shouldn't be hard to fix the show.

Agreed. And I'm loving Arrow's second season. I really had my doubts and only watched the first episode out of curiosity, expecting a trainwreck. Instead, I got sucked into to a great superhero show that knows how to execute a story arc.

This is good to know, as I had written it off unfairly as "Smallville 2".

Nope, so far I'm finding it better than Smallville was, and I liked Smallville with a few exceptions. The biggest difference that I'm happy about is that even though Ollie had a love interest it's not as schmaltzy and drawn out as the whole Clark/Lana bit was. Not to mention the characters have realistic flaws and aren't picture perfect the way the Kents were depicted.


OHMYF*CKINGGODSOMUCHTHIS. Clark and Lana were alright during the first season of Smallville, but then it devolved into the same "will he tell her the truth?"/"I'm breaking up with Clark because he's hiding something from me" wankfest. Then it got even worse when Lana got possessed by a French witch and got magic tramp stamp. Then when you think it couldn't get more worse, she goes and starts f*cking LEX LUTHOR! That wasn't jumping the shark - it was raping the shark, killing it and eating the corpse.

Then they finally booted Lana off the show, focused more on Clark and Lois, and the show got 100x better.
 
2013-11-02 08:30:06 PM  
Hey, nerds, it's a halfway decent show! Shut your yaps and watch it, it's called "entertainment"

It's all your fault that Firefly was cancelled.
 
2013-11-02 08:43:22 PM  

Mr_Ectomy: Hey, nerds, it's a halfway decent show! Shut your yaps and watch it, it's called "entertainment"

It's all your fault that Firefly was cancelled.


Your definition of halfway decent needs to be re calibrated.
 
2013-11-02 08:53:01 PM  
Fitz and Simmons starts explaining in sciencese.

"In English please!"

Every. Other. Episode.

I thought we were past that on genre TV. I understand trying to use layman's terms so Stupid McStupidson gets it, but I suggest stopping writing lines insulting people with brains.
 
2013-11-02 09:34:35 PM  
I thought AoS was gonna suck but then I watched the pilot and got hooked.

It's silly and fun and not to be taken entirely seriously.
 
2013-11-02 09:46:10 PM  

TwistedFark: Dingleberry Dickwad: TuteTibiImperes: hammer85: Dingleberry Dickwad: frepnog: Dingleberry Dickwad: Walt_Jizzney: Superman Returns was better than Thor.

That's some quality trolling right there.

It was a superior film.

If it was better at all I can almost understand someone saying the cinematography to be better, but the story, acting and entertainment value? No, just no. I'll give you that Natalie Portman just phoned things in, but Superman Returns was shiat. Piss poor casting, ridiculously stupid storyline (Luthor and real estate again? Really?), and some bad acting all around.

The only thing that worried me about Thor 2 is that NP is in it. Easily the worst part about the original which put it at the worst of phase 1 for me

I liked Portman in it.  If anything I thought Kat Dennings' character was shoehorned in.

See I liked Dennings' character more than Portman's.

Well, if you cast Kat Dennings and you put her character in huge coats the entire movie, you're wasting "two of her best attributes" as an actor...

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I'd shoehorn it.
 
2013-11-02 09:59:42 PM  
It's amazing just how many people in this thread need to just not watch the show. if you're suggesting we kill or lose half the team, stop watching it.

I especially love the suggestion to get rid of Ming-Na Wen because of her age, nevermind that Clark Gregg is a year older than she is, and they're both younger than Sam Jackson.

I also love the "show needs superheroes" when this show, on its face, is not about superheroes. It's about SHIELD, which is practically the stage crew and clean up operation after the superheroes are done breaking everything. The hell logic is this?

quatchi: It's silly and fun and not to be taken entirely seriously.


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/It's a live action comic book
//and thank god it's silly, a lot of Vol4 Marvel is depressing as hell
 
2013-11-02 10:01:14 PM  

Autolychus2: We're five shows in, and people are screaming about character development?


Sure, a good show can do a hell of a lot in 5 episodes. By the end of the first 5 episodes of Firefly, Breaking Bad, Homeland or even something goofy like Brooklyn Nine Nine (to single out a new show that only has 5 episodes aired), all the main characters are set up and we have a good understanding of their characters and driving motivations. I don't know dick about any character on AoS other than Skye, who's probably the least interesting.

Autolychus2: Another group of critics seem to be of the "these writers couldn't write their way out of a wet paper bag" camp. While I haven't been pleased with every plot point, character line in the series, I'm not silly enough to suggest that I could do a better job -- which is what many posters seem to be implying.


"If you couldn't do it better you shouldn't complain about it!", really? That's absurd. I'm not a professional baseball player but I can still complain when a pro gets struck out five games in a row.

Autolychus2: These same people also tend to complain about the acting ability of the actors. Generally, they point to the acting of Brett Dalton as Agent Ward, saying he's too wooden. Well, given that his character is written -- intentionally it seems -- as wooden and stoic, who would you like to model his performance after?


So you do think the writing is crap - either that or you think it's a good thing to have wooden characters.  Anyway, a good actor will have their charisma come through even in a thankless part. Look at Clark Gregg in the first Iron Man.

Autolychus2: This group's attacks on the Chloe Bennet character bother me the most though (Not because she's my favorite character, she's not.) because they seem mostly rooted in her appearance.


People criticize the character because she's supposed to be an anarchist hacker who lives in a van and who spent her childhood going from foster home to foster home, yet she looks and acts like a rich, popular and fashionable sorority sister.
 
2013-11-02 10:09:03 PM  
Gunther: People criticize the character because she's supposed to be an anarchist hacker who lives in a van and who spent her childhood going from foster home to foster home, yet she looks and acts like a rich, popular and fashionable sorority sister.


Actually she speaks and acts like an intelligent cast-off who has no friends in the world.

/what the hell are sorority sisters like where you're from?!
 
2013-11-02 10:21:16 PM  

Ringshadow: Actually she speaks and acts like an intelligent cast-off who has no friends in the world.


C'mon, dude; she has the best people skills on the team. She's extroverted, sociable, she always has perfect hair/makeup/clothes and by the start of the most recent episode she'd charmed all the guys on the team.  She was able to wrap that billionaire in episode 3 around her finger in two short conversations.

The idea that she's supposed to be "an intelligent cast-off who has no friends in the world" is utterly laughable.
 
2013-11-02 10:45:06 PM  
Both Skye and Chuck Steakfist are mis-cast. Skye should be killed off and replaced with the female geek. Trying to turn the laboratory bound scientist into an effective field agent is a much more compelling storyline. And the actress playing the geek, Henstridge, seems more talented, at least to my mind.

And to those saying we should just not watch the show if we do not like the current cast- don't worry, it'll be cancelled soon so the haters will be out of luck. That'll show 'em!
 
2013-11-02 10:59:31 PM  

Ringshadow: I especially love the suggestion to get rid of Ming-Na Wen because of her age, never mind that Clark Gregg is a year older than she is, and they're both younger than Sam Jackson


Yeah, I kinda winced at that. M-NW once she ditched the uncomfortable-with-combat-ops just-a-pilot thing and revealed her backstory as The Cavalry, started kicking ass. I've really been liking her character.

And a pox on anyone who would break up the pairing of Fitz and Simmons.

To be honest my only real eye rolling exercise so far was the whole inflatable-life-raft-that-can-seal-an-airplane-hole at 20k-ft thing.
 
2013-11-02 11:00:26 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: eddievercetti: BTW May and Simmons are hotter.

Also silly.

Fact is, EVERYONE on the show is fairly attractive. That's why American TV annoys me; their primary interest when casting seems more to be to find attractive actors* than good actors.

* there are always exceptions, I know


The exceptions are the only ones worth watching.
 
2013-11-02 11:00:45 PM  
Here's what it all boils down to:

Whedon and his team are great at writing snappy dialogue. They suck at writing characters. It's like the writing team sits around brainstorming witty lines and then just randomly drops them onto characters because it hardly matters who says them. They all sound like the same person. I'll keep watching the show for a while yet because it's reasonably entertaining mindlessness, but I do wish I had a reason to give a crap about the characters. Right now they could kill off any one of them (except Coulson) and it wouldn't matter much.

Compare and contrast with Sleepy Hollow, which has its own flaws, but the banter between the two leads is not one of them. The banter defines those characters, instead of wasting time merely being witty.
 
2013-11-02 11:45:21 PM  

quatchi: To be honest my only real eye rolling exercise so far was the whole inflatable-life-raft-that-can-seal-an-airplane-hole at 20k-ft thing.


My dad about lost his shiat when he saw that and I was like, dude. There is a flying aircraft carrier, a flying corvette, a genius with a reactor in his chest and a god and you're bothered by this?

/personally I'm continually annoyed that the cars aren't tied down in the cargo bay so I guess I can't talk
 
2013-11-02 11:58:20 PM  

Mr_Ectomy: Hey, nerds, it's a halfway decent show! Shut your yaps and watch it, it's called "entertainment"

It's all your fault that Firefly was cancelled


See, that's the problem. It's not bad, it's just not good, either. Firefly was way better. Shield needs new writers and a new cast. Coulson can stay, but in a smaller role.
 
2013-11-03 01:34:18 AM  

ruta: Here's what it all boils down to:

Whedon and his team are great at writing snappy dialogue. They suck at writing characters. It's like the writing team sits around brainstorming witty lines and then just randomly drops them onto characters because it hardly matters who says them. They all sound like the same person. I'll keep watching the show for a while yet because it's reasonably entertaining mindlessness, but I do wish I had a reason to give a crap about the characters. Right now they could kill off any one of them (except Coulson) and it wouldn't matter much.


So in other words, Joss Whedon = Aaron Sorkin.
 
2013-11-03 01:39:01 AM  

Thurston Howell: ruta: Here's what it all boils down to:

Whedon and his team are great at writing snappy dialogue. They suck at writing characters. It's like the writing team sits around brainstorming witty lines and then just randomly drops them onto characters because it hardly matters who says them. They all sound like the same person. I'll keep watching the show for a while yet because it's reasonably entertaining mindlessness, but I do wish I had a reason to give a crap about the characters. Right now they could kill off any one of them (except Coulson) and it wouldn't matter much.

So in other words, Joss Whedon = Aaron Sorkin.


I remember similar complains about everyone sounding the same with JMS during Babylon 5.
 
2013-11-03 01:52:00 AM  

Ringshadow: It's amazing just how many people in this thread need to just not watch the show. if you're suggesting we kill or lose half the team, stop watching it.

I especially love the suggestion to get rid of Ming-Na Wen because of her age, nevermind that Clark Gregg is a year older than she is, and they're both younger than Sam Jackson.


Sam Jackson is the boss, usually the main bosses are older than the average employee. Clark Gregg is again Ming-Na Wen's boss, but that doesn't appear to be because of a vast experience she didn't have, just she wasn't ready or into that sort of thing.

However on an elite and small team (on tv) you usually have a bunch of people who are specialized in a specific area so when you run into a situation a situation you have someone on the team that can handle it.

* Let's put it this way. If Coulson "died" then Melinda May could step into that role no problem

* If Fitz or Simmons died, the other could fill that role no problem.

* If the McMuscle dude died, Melinda May could fill that role with no problem

* If Skye died Fitz or Simmons could step into her role, with the claim "well I'm not as good as Skye, god rest her a-cup boobs, but I'll give it a go"

* The only one that seems essential is Melinda May, and that's only because she can fly the plane. Let any one of the others train on that and she could die and everything she does would be taken over by Coulson and McMuscles with no problem

It's like there was no thought about the team make up. And yeah, I think it's almost unsaveable. Killing at least two of the cast and re)defining the roles of the others would be the best start.
 
2013-11-03 02:02:28 AM  

pedobearapproved: Ringshadow: It's amazing just how many people in this thread need to just not watch the show. if you're suggesting we kill or lose half the team, stop watching it.

I especially love the suggestion to get rid of Ming-Na Wen because of her age, nevermind that Clark Gregg is a year older than she is, and they're both younger than Sam Jackson.

Sam Jackson is the boss, usually the main bosses are older than the average employee. Clark Gregg is again Ming-Na Wen's boss, but that doesn't appear to be because of a vast experience she didn't have, just she wasn't ready or into that sort of thing.

However on an elite and small team (on tv) you usually have a bunch of people who are specialized in a specific area so when you run into a situation a situation you have someone on the team that can handle it.

* Let's put it this way. If Coulson "died" then Melinda May could step into that role no problem

* If Fitz or Simmons died, the other could fill that role no problem.

* If the McMuscle dude died, Melinda May could fill that role with no problem

* If Skye died Fitz or Simmons could step into her role, with the claim "well I'm not as good as Skye, god rest her a-cup boobs, but I'll give it a go"

* The only one that seems essential is Melinda May, and that's only because she can fly the plane. Let any one of the others train on that and she could die and everything she does would be taken over by Coulson and McMuscles with no problem

It's like there was no thought about the team make up. And yeah, I think it's almost unsaveable. Killing at least two of the cast and re)defining the roles of the others would be the best start.


The plane flies itself, she just likes being in the cockpit.
 
2013-11-03 02:25:50 AM  

pedobearapproved: It's like there was no thought about the team make up. And yeah, I think it's almost unsaveable. Killing at least two of the cast and re)defining the roles of the others would be the best start.


You could fix it without killing people off, it'd just take effort. The most obvious method would be to introduce a few new conflicts. Perhaps Simmons is revealed to be a plant Nick Fury put on the team to monitor Coulson, and she's actually a badass spy. Maybe Fitz touches some alien goop and develops superpowers. Maybe generic dude gets bitten by a radioactive David Bowie and develops an actual personality.

Skye... Skye is problematic. They've handled the character about as poorly as they possibly could. In story, there's no reason for them to keep her on the team and they'd actually have to be pretty crazy to do so - they already seem like utter idiots for trusting her the first time. It might be an idea for them to "fire" her for a few episodes and have her prove herself to them by hacking into Hydra or something. Certainly they need to decide what her actual personality traits are supposed to be and have the actress practice conveying them in her performance. Is she sociable or is she a loner? Is she super-smart or so uneducated she's confused by basic scientific terms?
 
2013-11-03 02:33:23 AM  
I don't think Skye is that bad, but she needs to step into the background for some episodes, on probation.  She tipped off their quarry in the last episode, and was found in bed with him.

I *think* the teaser for the next episode may have had Simmons with tears in her eyes.  I hope she gets her turn next.
 
2013-11-03 02:42:35 AM  

Autolychus2: We're five shows in, and people are screaming about character development?


Yes, because character development is what good television is all about. If we just wanted to see a lot of yelling and running and explosions, we could watch John Carter and the Transformers trilogy over and over and enjoy mindless entertainment with top-notch cinematography and effects. Characters make or break TV shows, because no matter what your premise is, budget constraints dictate that the majority of screen time will be filled with nothing but people talking to one another. If those people are interesting and they're saying interesting things, you've got a hit. If they're not interesting, your audience will quickly abandon you.

Keep in mind, the big draw for the show is Coulson, a character who was quickly established as a compelling personality in just a few movie cameos and DVD special features, and his return from the dead was the big mystery that brought in the viewers. Prior character development is the entire reason why the show is enjoying the success it's had so far, and audiences are perfectly justified in expecting a comparable level of character development to factor into AoS. You may be getting your nerdgasms just seeing the Marvel logo appear every week, but us regular people want to see it followed by some substance. Brand names can't save an inferior product, and if an expensive venture like AoS is going to continue, it needs to find its legs and fast.
 
2013-11-03 07:35:15 AM  
The problem with Agents of Shield is that it doesn't feel like SHIELD. SHIELD isn't going to send out a massive cargo plane with 5 people on board, that plane should have a platoon size detachment of agents. First off, you need more than one pilot. You'll need a crew for the plane of 5 or 6 at least. And since the better model of crew would be Air Force One(lots of comm officers and redundancy), your looking at 20+ people.

Then you have a team of 5 agents+a tactical team+science team.

There should be 50-70 people on that plane. That would feel more SHIELDish. This feels more like the Junior Shield Jamboree.
 
2013-11-03 08:14:31 AM  

Publikwerks: The problem with Agents of Shield is that it doesn't feel like SHIELD. SHIELD isn't going to send out a massive cargo plane with 5 people on board, that plane should have a platoon size detachment of agents. First off, you need more than one pilot. You'll need a crew for the plane of 5 or 6 at least. And since the better model of crew would be Air Force One(lots of comm officers and redundancy), your looking at 20+ people.

Then you have a team of 5 agents+a tactical team+science team.

There should be 50-70 people on that plane. That would feel more SHIELDish. This feels more like the Junior Shield Jamboree.


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Casting and actors are expensive, you know
 
2013-11-03 08:53:51 AM  
And in April or May it more than likely it will feature some people fom Captain America.  That's kinda the whole point of this show.  Everyone says that "Coulson ties the movies together" and he still is.
 
2013-11-03 09:11:20 AM  

HawgWild: People are excited to see the next Thor movie? The only movie worse than the last Thor movie was the Captain America movie. Ugh. Couldn't even make it through that one.

/I know, I know
//"stop liking what I don't like"


Everything about Asgard worked, almost nothing on Earth did.  The romance was rushed, the supporting cast annoying, and Thor went from unbelievably arrongant to humble selfless in something like three days.  The second one looks like lots more fun and hopefully better directed.

Captain America should have sucked (like the original Chris Reeve Superman) but it doesn't.  Supposedly Joss touched up the script and they did some resoots along those lines or something like that.  Diodn't think he had it in him, but Evans pulls it off.  I'm liking that in Avengers they followed up with Cap being just completely lost, both as Cap and as Steve Rogers.  Loki brought back Cap (like Stark said, not a great plan), but this next one looks to have Widow working on bringing back Steve... who still makes bitter jokes about how all his old friends are dead and hides in his work to avoid dealing with the grief of losing Peggy.  And that scene where Cap jumps out of the quin jet at about four hundred feet makes it clear that Cap has been a regular shield operative since New York, considering he knows "Kristen in Statisics."  Can't wait.
 
2013-11-03 09:25:00 AM  

Alphax: I don't think Skye is that bad, but she needs to step into the background for some episodes, on probation.  She tipped off their quarry in the last episode, and was found in bed with him.

I *think* the teaser for the next episode may have had Simmons with tears in her eyes.  I hope she gets her turn next.


Simmons isn't only crying, it looks like she's about to jump to her death, AND her eyes seem unannaturally red, like she's infected with something.  Skye is generic, although count me among the few that actually likes the emo-foster kid angle on her, because her reaction to finding a place like shield where it could be a surrogate family is actually very real.  Ward is cardboard cutout- a good friend who loves the show even described him as "boring as shiat." He also though Fitz and Simmons were siblings, which is a very real problem when someone that went to every Marvel movie in theater twice and has watched every ep doesn't know that two of the main characters aren't n fact related.

Coulson and Chen are what is carrying the show for me.

Publikwerks: The problem with Agents of Shield is that it doesn't feel like SHIELD. SHIELD isn't going to send out a massive cargo plane with 5 people on board, that plane should have a platoon size detachment of agents. First off, you need more than one pilot. You'll need a crew for the plane of 5 or 6 at least. And since the better model of crew would be Air Force One(lots of comm officers and redundancy), your looking at 20+ people.

Then you have a team of 5 agents+a tactical team+science team.

There should be 50-70 people on that plane. That would feel more SHIELDish. This feels more like the Junior Shield Jamboree.


Not necessarily.  SHIELD is an espionage agency with military capability, not the other way around(at least how it's supposed to be, next Cap movie looks to find that flipped)....  Which is this shows single largest problem.

There is NO dramatic tension at all.  There's no twists, no turns, no backtabbing, and everybody on that plane ultimately can trust everybody else on that plane with there lives.  If you're gonna have a show about spys, it would help to have them, ya know, SPYING.  But the tone so far has been lifted directly from The Avengers, but with no Avengers around this Scooby gang just doesn't cut it.
 
2013-11-03 09:38:51 AM  

hammer85: soporific: smilingcorpse: I haven't started the second season of arrow yet, but im pretty excited for it. It took about half a season for me to really get into that show, but it has direction from the beginning. You knew what it wanted to do and where it was going. I was never a green arrow fan, but they turned me into one. Shield needs focus. Really flesh out two characters. It shouldn't be hard to fix the show.

Agreed. And I'm loving Arrow's second season. I really had my doubts and only watched the first episode out of curiosity, expecting a trainwreck. Instead, I got sucked into to a great superhero show that knows how to execute a story arc.

The best thing is how much they've set up the present/past.  They had so much planned out from the start you're only starting to see right now.  For instance, the "inmate" with Oliver on the ship is the big time Russian mafia guy that he says he saved to the mobsters in the first season that accept him.and help him out throughout.

And I actually enjoy how they set up "proto" characters before unleashing the main.

Yao Fei or "the hood" was proto Arrow

Billy Wintergreen was proto Deathstroke (Slade Wilson)

Sarah Lance is proto Canary (Laurel)

born_yesterday: soporific: smilingcorpse: I haven't started the second season of arrow yet, but im pretty excited for it. It took about half a season for me to really get into that show, but it has direction from the beginning. You knew what it wanted to do and where it was going. I was never a green arrow fan, but they turned me into one. Shield needs focus. Really flesh out two characters. It shouldn't be hard to fix the show.

Agreed. And I'm loving Arrow's second season. I really had my doubts and only watched the first episode out of curiosity, expecting a trainwreck. Instead, I got sucked into to a great superhero show that knows how to execute a story arc.

This is good to know, as I had written it off unfairly as "Smallville 2".

It's not, at all.


No, no it really isn't.  Other that the stuff with Huntress(the actress AND the stuff they had her do), the show has been consistantly well executed.  Have to admit I did not see the Sarah Lance angle, I thought when they name-dropped Ras that she was going to turn out to be Talia.  But, no, now "Laurel"(hate that) gets to make up with her sis before sis probably getts offed for realsies.  Was really cool to see GA and BC on screen kicking ass.  And anybody else noticed that the League of Assassin's dress just like Merlin?
 
2013-11-03 11:51:57 AM  

hammer85: Autolychus2: I want actors who can, y'know, ACT with their words and facial features and gestures; Not their boobs.

Skye is a terrible character. Chloe Wang Bennet is a terrible actress. It doesn't matter how much sex appeal they try to wedge into the show, it's still agonizing listening to her speak.

She reminds me of Eliza Dushku, in delivery of her lines and even in her appearance to a degree.

My complaints about Skye is just that she isn't a believable character and her entire backstory conflicts with everything she is.

It's that she dresses like a supermodel when she says she's poor and not materialistic.

No one said she was poor, just that she was living in her van on purpose. And, other than the pink dress, which might or might not have been hers, she dresses in everyday clothes.

It's that shield is apparently a secret organization ...

S.H.I.E.L.D. is not, nor has it ever been a secret organization any more that the C.I. A. is a secret organization. It, like the C.I.A. and N.S.A. is an organization with secrets, a espionage organization.

When her bf specifically says he took 3 million dollars so they can stop living in a crappy apartment and in a van, that pretty much says that they're poor.


First off, it was one million dollars. And he never said it was so she could stop living in a van. In fact she said the only reason she lived in the van was to get close to SHIELD.
 
2013-11-03 12:25:06 PM  

Mentat: Thor was my favorite of the Phase 1 movies. I am pleased that we'll get more Sif in Thor 2. I admire her fighting technique.


rumor is that she is in talks with WB/DC to play Wonder Woman. She hinted at it at the Comikaze con and then on twitter she helped the buzz out a bit also.
She did confirm a Thor 3 in the pipeline already and I'm guessing that they don't have her in any kind of an exclusive contract. So she should be able to do both her stuff for Thor 3 and a cameo in the MoS sequel. Then get her own solo film after that.
 
2013-11-03 12:29:45 PM  

Jarhead_h: And anybody else noticed that the League of Assassin's dress just like Merlin?


Merlyn pretty much reveals that it was Ra's who trained him and put him up to doing what he did in the first season.
he was basically doing what Ra's wanted Wayne to do in Batman Begins.
 
2013-11-03 12:35:48 PM  

Jarhead_h: hammer85: soporific: smilingcorpse: I haven't started the second season of arrow yet, but im pretty excited for it. It took about half a season for me to really get into that show, but it has direction from the beginning. You knew what it wanted to do and where it was going. I was never a green arrow fan, but they turned me into one. Shield needs focus. Really flesh out two characters. It shouldn't be hard to fix the show.

Agreed. And I'm loving Arrow's second season. I really had my doubts and only watched the first episode out of curiosity, expecting a trainwreck. Instead, I got sucked into to a great superhero show that knows how to execute a story arc.

The best thing is how much they've set up the present/past.  They had so much planned out from the start you're only starting to see right now.  For instance, the "inmate" with Oliver on the ship is the big time Russian mafia guy that he says he saved to the mobsters in the first season that accept him.and help him out throughout.

And I actually enjoy how they set up "proto" characters before unleashing the main.

Yao Fei or "the hood" was proto Arrow

Billy Wintergreen was proto Deathstroke (Slade Wilson)

Sarah Lance is proto Canary (Laurel)

born_yesterday: soporific: smilingcorpse: I haven't started the second season of arrow yet, but im pretty excited for it. It took about half a season for me to really get into that show, but it has direction from the beginning. You knew what it wanted to do and where it was going. I was never a green arrow fan, but they turned me into one. Shield needs focus. Really flesh out two characters. It shouldn't be hard to fix the show.

Agreed. And I'm loving Arrow's second season. I really had my doubts and only watched the first episode out of curiosity, expecting a trainwreck. Instead, I got sucked into to a great superhero show that knows how to execute a story arc.

This is good to know, as I had written it off unfairly as "Smallville 2".

It's not, at all.

No, no it real ...


Merlin gives the speech to Tommy that he went to Nanda Parbat  for training. Nanda Parbat has been Ras Al'Gul's "vacation home" many times over the years.
 
2013-11-03 12:47:03 PM  

Gunther: Autolychus2: We're five shows in, and people are screaming about character development?

Sure, a good show can do a hell of a lot in 5 episodes. By the end of the first 5 episodes of Firefly, Breaking Bad, Homeland or even something goofy like Brooklyn Nine Nine (to single out a new show that only has 5 episodes aired), all the main characters are set up and we have a good understanding of their characters and driving motivations. I don't know dick about any character on AoS other than Skye, who's probably the least interesting.

Autolychus2: Another group of critics seem to be of the "these writers couldn't write their way out of a wet paper bag" camp. While I haven't been pleased with every plot point, character line in the series, I'm not silly enough to suggest that I could do a better job -- which is what many posters seem to be implying.

"If you couldn't do it better you shouldn't complain about it!", really? That's absurd. I'm not a professional baseball player but I can still complain when a pro gets struck out five games in a row.

Autolychus2: These same people also tend to complain about the acting ability of the actors. Generally, they point to the acting of Brett Dalton as Agent Ward, saying he's too wooden. Well, given that his character is written -- intentionally it seems -- as wooden and stoic, who would you like to model his performance after?

So you do think the writing is crap - either that or you think it's a good thing to have wooden characters.  Anyway, a good actor will have their charisma come through even in a thankless part. Look at Clark Gregg in the first Iron Man.

Autolychus2: This group's attacks on the Chloe Bennet character bother me the most though (Not because she's my favorite character, she's not.) because they seem mostly rooted in her appearance.

People criticize the character because she's supposed to be an anarchist hacker who lives in a van and who spent her childhood going from foster home to foster home, yet she looks ...


1. Yes. If a batter strikes out five games in a row you shouldn't complain. One strike out per game is common over a five-game stretch. If you're talking about 20-30 strikeouts in a row, well that's nearly impossible for any major league player even a pitcher, but if that's your argument. Then no, you'd still have no reason to complain. Hitting a baseball is recognized as the hardest thing to do in sports. And that major league player is infinitely better at hitting a ball than you would be. Complaining that someone didn't hit the ball isn't the same as being disappointed that he didn't hit it. If David Ortiz (for example) goes hitless in a game I'm disappointed but I'm not mad that he did.
2. No. I don't think the writing sucks (the exact opposite) I said he was written to be a stoic, wooden person. I even gave an example which you conveniently left out. So just stop.
3. So, you admit, you're only complaint is that she's a beautiful woman who bathes regularly. Thanks for making my point for me.
 
2013-11-03 02:04:53 PM  

ruta: Here's what it all boils down to:

Whedon and his team are great at writing snappy dialogue. They suck at writing characters. It's like the writing team sits around brainstorming witty lines and then just randomly drops them onto characters because it hardly matters who says them. They all sound like the same person. I'll keep watching the show for a while yet because it's reasonably entertaining mindlessness, but I do wish I had a reason to give a crap about the characters. Right now they could kill off any one of them (except Coulson) and it wouldn't matter much.

Compare and contrast with Sleepy Hollow, which has its own flaws, but the banter between the two leads is not one of them. The banter defines those characters, instead of wasting time merely being witty.


Well, a few things -

Whedon is great at writing characters.  Buffy, Angel, Firefly, Dollhouse, all had characters with distinct personalities, motivations, speaking styles, etc.  Joss isn't writing AoS, he may be doing some script doctoring, but he's not the lead writer nor the director.  His brother Jed and his brother's wife Maurissa Tancharoen are the lead writers, but even then they haven't written everything.

In the five episodes so far there have been five different directors and three different sets of writers.  Joss has a writing and directing credit for the pilot, Jed and Maurissa wrote the next two, and the last two and next three have all been from different writers.
 
2013-11-03 02:41:07 PM  

Publikwerks: The problem with Agents of Shield is that it doesn't feel like SHIELD. SHIELD isn't going to send out a massive cargo plane with 5 people on board, that plane should have a platoon size detachment of agents. First off, you need more than one pilot. You'll need a crew for the plane of 5 or 6 at least. And since the better model of crew would be Air Force One(lots of comm officers and redundancy), your looking at 20+ people.

Then you have a team of 5 agents+a tactical team+science team.

There should be 50-70 people on that plane. That would feel more SHIELDish. This feels more like the Junior Shield Jamboree.


I don't think they can do a 50-70 people team, but for God's sake the show is called SHIELD yet no one wears a damn SHIELD uniform.

If the show had people in costume it'd already be more palatable. This is just a blatant cashgrab.
 
2013-11-03 02:45:06 PM  

Jarhead_h: hammer85: soporific: smilingcorpse: I haven't started the second season of arrow yet, but im pretty excited for it. It took about half a season for me to really get into that show, but it has direction from the beginning. You knew what it wanted to do and where it was going. I was never a green arrow fan, but they turned me into one. Shield needs focus. Really flesh out two characters. It shouldn't be hard to fix the show.

Agreed. And I'm loving Arrow's second season. I really had my doubts and only watched the first episode out of curiosity, expecting a trainwreck. Instead, I got sucked into to a great superhero show that knows how to execute a story arc.

The best thing is how much they've set up the present/past.  They had so much planned out from the start you're only starting to see right now.  For instance, the "inmate" with Oliver on the ship is the big time Russian mafia guy that he says he saved to the mobsters in the first season that accept him.and help him out throughout.

And I actually enjoy how they set up "proto" characters before unleashing the main.

Yao Fei or "the hood" was proto Arrow

Billy Wintergreen was proto Deathstroke (Slade Wilson)

Sarah Lance is proto Canary (Laurel)

born_yesterday: soporific: smilingcorpse: I haven't started the second season of arrow yet, but im pretty excited for it. It took about half a season for me to really get into that show, but it has direction from the beginning. You knew what it wanted to do and where it was going. I was never a green arrow fan, but they turned me into one. Shield needs focus. Really flesh out two characters. It shouldn't be hard to fix the show.

Agreed. And I'm loving Arrow's second season. I really had my doubts and only watched the first episode out of curiosity, expecting a trainwreck. Instead, I got sucked into to a great superhero show that knows how to execute a story arc.

This is good to know, as I had written it off unfairly as "Smallville 2".

It's not, at all.

No, no it really isn't.  Other that the stuff with Huntress(the actress AND the stuff they had her do), the show has been consistantly well executed.  Have to admit I did not see the Sarah Lance angle, I thought when they name-dropped Ras that she was going to turn out to be Talia.  But, no, now "Laurel"(hate that) gets to make up with her sis before sis probably getts offed for realsies.  Was really cool to see GA and BC on screen kicking ass.  And anybody else noticed that the League of Assassin's dress just like Merlin?


Not surprising, Merlyn specifically said he trained at the place the LoS is (namdu pradt or whatever it's spelled)
 
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