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(Entertainment Weekly)   'Agents of SHIELD' doing 'Thor: The Dark World' crossover episode directed by 'Star Trek' actor Jonathan Frakes. Now will you watch? Does ABC have to get Han Solo in this show too?   (insidetv.ew.com) divider line 191
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2013-11-01 08:50:43 PM
So if I watch the episode of Agents of Shield before I watch Thor 2, will there be spoilers of the movie?
 
2013-11-01 08:56:01 PM
i only recognize half of those references, and i didn't want to watch even before i saw the picture in TFA:

img2.timeinc.net

it looks like one of those saturday morning tv shows they show at 10am for the 10 year olds , as opposed to 8am cartoons for the 6 year olds. 2x more production skillz than power rangers, 10x less cool than the tribe, with more than a little wish-i-was-kevin-sorbo.
 
2013-11-01 09:05:20 PM
Agents of shield is trying to tap into the success of comic books, but missing the point completely.

"Procedurals are popular. Marvel is popular. A Marvel procedural would be popular too!"

Not so fast, TV execs.Very spicy curry is popular. Sex is popular. But very spicy water based lube would not find a foothold in the market. Sometimes two good things don't combine well. If you want to tap into comic book success, you have to actually know why comics are successful. You can't just make the same old show TV with a comic book title.
 
2013-11-01 09:06:43 PM

cheezitmojo: So if I watch the episode of Agents of Shield before I watch Thor 2, will there be spoilers of the movie?


So far they haven't spoiled anything from the movies in AoS other than Coulson is still around in some form or other regardless of his apparent demise in The Avengers.  They've taken things that were plot points in some of the movies like Asgard technology and Extremis, but they haven't spoiled anything in terms of how those things were used in the movies.

As far as this episode goes, it looks like it will possibly spoil things from Thor: TDW, so, see Thor 2 before you see this one.  I'm actually really excited about the second Thor movie, the first one was a huge surprise to me for how good it was, and the early reviews from the overseas premiers have been extremely positive.
 
2013-11-01 09:08:31 PM

doglover: Agents of shield is trying to tap into the success of comic books, but missing the point completely.

"Procedurals are popular. Marvel is popular. A Marvel procedural would be popular too!"

Not so fast, TV execs.Very spicy curry is popular. Sex is popular. But very spicy water based lube would not find a foothold in the market. Sometimes two good things don't combine well. If you want to tap into comic book success, you have to actually know why comics are successful. You can't just make the same old show TV with a comic book title.


I keep hearing it being called a procedural, and while it may borrow certain elements, that isn't really the feel of the show.  They need to do a better job of creating the season spanning arcs, but so far it's been much more fluid than something like CSI or NCIS.
 
2013-11-01 09:13:42 PM

TuteTibiImperes: cheezitmojo: So if I watch the episode of Agents of Shield before I watch Thor 2, will there be spoilers of the movie?

So far they haven't spoiled anything from the movies in AoS other than Coulson is still around in some form or other regardless of his apparent demise in The Avengers.  They've taken things that were plot points in some of the movies like Asgard technology and Extremis, but they haven't spoiled anything in terms of how those things were used in the movies.

As far as this episode goes, it looks like it will possibly spoil things from Thor: TDW, so, see Thor 2 before you see this one.  I'm actually really excited about the second Thor movie, the first one was a huge surprise to me for how good it was, and the early reviews from the overseas premiers have been extremely positive.


But this was kind of my point: what if I don't get a chance to see the movie before I see the episode.
 
2013-11-01 09:19:33 PM

TuteTibiImperes: doglover: Agents of shield is trying to tap into the success of comic books, but missing the point completely.

"Procedurals are popular. Marvel is popular. A Marvel procedural would be popular too!"

Not so fast, TV execs.Very spicy curry is popular. Sex is popular. But very spicy water based lube would not find a foothold in the market. Sometimes two good things don't combine well. If you want to tap into comic book success, you have to actually know why comics are successful. You can't just make the same old show TV with a comic book title.

I keep hearing it being called a procedural, and while it may borrow certain elements, that isn't really the feel of the show.  They need to do a better job of creating the season spanning arcs, but so far it's been much more fluid than something like CSI or NCIS.


A better name might work.

If you dress your cast in suits and call them "Agents" guess what image crops into everyone's head? Then you have a pilot where said people in suits spent a lot of time in offices and wind up taking down someone dangerous without any injuries with clever but typical agent teamwork?

If it's gotten better, I'll go back and check it out. But really the time is nigh for a Deadpool movie. Marvel should really make that happen nowish.
 
2013-11-01 09:28:12 PM

doglover: TuteTibiImperes: doglover: Agents of shield is trying to tap into the success of comic books, but missing the point completely.

"Procedurals are popular. Marvel is popular. A Marvel procedural would be popular too!"

Not so fast, TV execs.Very spicy curry is popular. Sex is popular. But very spicy water based lube would not find a foothold in the market. Sometimes two good things don't combine well. If you want to tap into comic book success, you have to actually know why comics are successful. You can't just make the same old show TV with a comic book title.

I keep hearing it being called a procedural, and while it may borrow certain elements, that isn't really the feel of the show.  They need to do a better job of creating the season spanning arcs, but so far it's been much more fluid than something like CSI or NCIS.

A better name might work.

If you dress your cast in suits and call them "Agents" guess what image crops into everyone's head? Then you have a pilot where said people in suits spent a lot of time in offices and wind up taking down someone dangerous without any injuries with clever but typical agent teamwork?

If it's gotten better, I'll go back and check it out. But really the time is nigh for a Deadpool movie. Marvel should really make that happen nowish.


I think Fox still owns the rights to Deadpool.  It's been getting better.  I liked the pilot, thought it took a little step back in the second episode, but then started getting better as things went along.  It still has a lot of room to grow, but less than halfway through the first season there's still plenty of time for it to do it.

I've been watching Breaking Bad on Netflix, and for all the raves it gets, for me it took until the episode where Saul shows up in the 2nd season before it really picked up, and it still feels a bit wobbly at times.

The episode of Dollhouse that Frakes directed was great, so I have high hopes for what he can do here.
 
2013-11-01 09:28:42 PM

doglover: TuteTibiImperes: doglover: Agents of shield is trying to tap into the success of comic books, but missing the point completely.

"Procedurals are popular. Marvel is popular. A Marvel procedural would be popular too!"

Not so fast, TV execs.Very spicy curry is popular. Sex is popular. But very spicy water based lube would not find a foothold in the market. Sometimes two good things don't combine well. If you want to tap into comic book success, you have to actually know why comics are successful. You can't just make the same old show TV with a comic book title.

I keep hearing it being called a procedural, and while it may borrow certain elements, that isn't really the feel of the show.  They need to do a better job of creating the season spanning arcs, but so far it's been much more fluid than something like CSI or NCIS.

A better name might work.

If you dress your cast in suits and call them "Agents" guess what image crops into everyone's head? Then you have a pilot where said people in suits spent a lot of time in offices and wind up taking down someone dangerous without any injuries with clever but typical agent teamwork?

If it's gotten better, I'll go back and check it out. But really the time is nigh for a Deadpool movie. Marvel should really make that happen nowish.


If only Fox didn't apparently own the rights to him.  He didn't appear in Wolverine by mistake.
 
2013-11-01 10:24:35 PM

the801: i only recognize half of those references, and i didn't want to watch even before i saw the picture in TFA:

it looks like one of those saturday morning tv shows they show at 10am for the 10 year olds , as opposed to 8am cartoons for the 6 year olds. 2x more production skillz than power rangers, 10x less cool than the tribe, with more than a little wish-i-was-kevin-sorbo.


That's a scene from the movie. Thor's not going to appear on the show.
 
2013-11-01 10:56:51 PM

TuteTibiImperes: I keep hearing it being called a procedural, and while it may borrow certain elements, that isn't really the feel of the show.  They need to do a better job of creating the season spanning arcs


I think their initial order was like 6 episodes, so there's not much room there to do anything other than establish the characters, the tone and set up some plot points that can grow into plot arcs.

They did receive a full order for the rest of the season, so once they get through the first group of episodes, they SHOULD get better and more intriguing.
 
2013-11-01 11:11:14 PM

Shostie: TuteTibiImperes: I keep hearing it being called a procedural, and while it may borrow certain elements, that isn't really the feel of the show.  They need to do a better job of creating the season spanning arcs

I think their initial order was like 6 episodes, so there's not much room there to do anything other than establish the characters, the tone and set up some plot points that can grow into plot arcs.

They did receive a full order for the rest of the season, so once they get through the first group of episodes, they SHOULD get better and more intriguing.


Cool, I didn't know how many they'd filmed before the premier and the full order came in.

I actually really like it so far.  It has potential to be better, sure, but I'm enjoying it for what it is so far.
 
2013-11-01 11:40:05 PM
The show is fun.  It's one of the few network shows I care about watching.
 
2013-11-01 11:40:52 PM
Cool.
 
2013-11-01 11:43:23 PM

TuteTibiImperes: cheezitmojo: So if I watch the episode of Agents of Shield before I watch Thor 2, will there be spoilers of the movie?

So far they haven't spoiled anything from the movies in AoS other than Coulson is still around in some form or other regardless of his apparent demise in The Avengers.  They've taken things that were plot points in some of the movies like Asgard technology and Extremis, but they haven't spoiled anything in terms of how those things were used in the movies.

As far as this episode goes, it looks like it will possibly spoil things from Thor: TDW, so, see Thor 2 before you see this one.  I'm actually really excited about the second Thor movie, the first one was a huge surprise to me for how good it was, and the early reviews from the overseas premiers have been extremely positive.


Thor was my favorite of the Phase 1 movies.  I am pleased that we'll get more Sif in Thor 2.  I admire her fighting technique.
 
2013-11-01 11:47:54 PM

Mentat: TuteTibiImperes: cheezitmojo: So if I watch the episode of Agents of Shield before I watch Thor 2, will there be spoilers of the movie?

So far they haven't spoiled anything from the movies in AoS other than Coulson is still around in some form or other regardless of his apparent demise in The Avengers.  They've taken things that were plot points in some of the movies like Asgard technology and Extremis, but they haven't spoiled anything in terms of how those things were used in the movies.

As far as this episode goes, it looks like it will possibly spoil things from Thor: TDW, so, see Thor 2 before you see this one.  I'm actually really excited about the second Thor movie, the first one was a huge surprise to me for how good it was, and the early reviews from the overseas premiers have been extremely positive.

Thor was my favorite of the Phase 1 movies.  I am pleased that we'll get more Sif in Thor 2.  I admire her fighting technique.


Thor's buddies were fun, I hope they have a bigger role in this one.  This is going to be one of those movies I'm actually going to brave the theater for in the opening week.  Normally I like to wait for a while until the crowds die down, but I'm excited enough about this one to risk a packed house.
 
2013-11-02 12:41:54 AM
People are excited to see the next Thor movie? The only movie worse than the last Thor movie was the Captain America movie. Ugh. Couldn't even make it through that one.

/I know, I know
//"stop liking what I don't like"
 
2013-11-02 03:17:00 AM
So, Thor opens on 11/8, and on 11/19, Agents of SHIELD follows up on it.  And I'll see it about 1-4 days later via iTunes.  Works for me.

Since I work 3rd shift and sleep in the evenings, I have to catch my theatrical movies in the mornings.  9-9:30 am opening day usually works for me, and usually isn't very crowded.
 
2013-11-02 03:22:58 AM

HawgWild: People are excited to see the next Thor movie? The only movie worse than the last Thor movie was the Captain America movie. Ugh. Couldn't even make it through that one.

/I know, I know
//"stop liking what I don't like"


na i agree with you.  captain america was sadly the only movie i ever fell asleep to in a theatre; too damn predictable/forgettable.  market is over-saturated of comic book movies/shows with piss-poor writing.
 
2013-11-02 03:23:18 AM

Alphax: So, Thor opens on 11/8, and on 11/19, Agents of SHIELD follows up on it.  And I'll see it about 1-4 days later via iTunes.


Possibly sooner at abc.com
 
2013-11-02 03:24:02 AM

the801: i only recognize half of those references, and i didn't want to watch even before i saw the picture in TFA:

[img2.timeinc.net image 612x458]

it looks like one of those saturday morning tv shows they show at 10am for the 10 year olds , as opposed to 8am cartoons for the 6 year olds. 2x more production skillz than power rangers, 10x less cool than the tribe, with more than a little wish-i-was-kevin-sorbo.


You'd think they'd use the costume from the movie but it looks like they told their wardrobe people to whip something up using the show's budget.
 
2013-11-02 03:26:38 AM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Alphax: So, Thor opens on 11/8, and on 11/19, Agents of SHIELD follows up on it.  And I'll see it about 1-4 days later via iTunes.

Possibly sooner at abc.com


The delay is when I get around to watching, not when it's available.
 
2013-11-02 03:26:38 AM
HawgWild:
/I know, I know
//"stop liking what I don't like"


Well, if you already know that it's poor form to come into a thread about a topic you dislike and shiat all over it, why do you do it?
 
2013-11-02 03:27:24 AM

Snapper Carr: the801: i only recognize half of those references, and i didn't want to watch even before i saw the picture in TFA:

[img2.timeinc.net image 612x458]

it looks like one of those saturday morning tv shows they show at 10am for the 10 year olds , as opposed to 8am cartoons for the 6 year olds. 2x more production skillz than power rangers, 10x less cool than the tribe, with more than a little wish-i-was-kevin-sorbo.

You'd think they'd use the costume from the movie but it looks like they told their wardrobe people to whip something up using the show's budget.


That pic is from The Avengers.
 
2013-11-02 03:28:13 AM

sn0wblind: HawgWild: People are excited to see the next Thor movie? The only movie worse than the last Thor movie was the Captain America movie. Ugh. Couldn't even make it through that one.

/I know, I know
//"stop liking what I don't like"

na i agree with you.  captain america was sadly the only movie i ever fell asleep to in a theatre; too damn predictable/forgettable.  market is over-saturated of comic book movies/shows with piss-poor writing.


From the trailer Captain America 2 looks to be a lot better.  I thought the first was OK, but I agree it's on the weaker side of the Marvel movies so far, Thor was certainly better, and might edge out the Iron Man sequels.

Snapper Carr: the801: i only recognize half of those references, and i didn't want to watch even before i saw the picture in TFA:

[img2.timeinc.net image 612x458]

it looks like one of those saturday morning tv shows they show at 10am for the 10 year olds , as opposed to 8am cartoons for the 6 year olds. 2x more production skillz than power rangers, 10x less cool than the tribe, with more than a little wish-i-was-kevin-sorbo.

You'd think they'd use the costume from the movie but it looks like they told their wardrobe people to whip something up using the show's budget.


That's the Thor costume used in The Avengers movie.  I guess they wanted to show off his guns and got rid of the scale mail on the arms from the Thor movie.
 
2013-11-02 03:39:23 AM

TuteTibiImperes: cheezitmojo: So if I watch the episode of Agents of Shield before I watch Thor 2, will there be spoilers of the movie?

So far they haven't spoiled anything from the movies in AoS other than Coulson is still around in some form or other regardless of his apparent demise in The Avengers.  They've taken things that were plot points in some of the movies like Asgard technology and Extremis, but they haven't spoiled anything in terms of how those things were used in the movies.

As far as this episode goes, it looks like it will possibly spoil things from Thor: TDW, so, see Thor 2 before you see this one.  I'm actually really excited about the second Thor movie, the first one was a huge surprise to me for how good it was, and the early reviews from the overseas premiers have been extremely positive.


There's no way they will spoil the movie in a TV episode that airs before the movie comes out - not a chance
 
2013-11-02 03:58:55 AM

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: TuteTibiImperes: cheezitmojo: So if I watch the episode of Agents of Shield before I watch Thor 2, will there be spoilers of the movie?

So far they haven't spoiled anything from the movies in AoS other than Coulson is still around in some form or other regardless of his apparent demise in The Avengers.  They've taken things that were plot points in some of the movies like Asgard technology and Extremis, but they haven't spoiled anything in terms of how those things were used in the movies.

As far as this episode goes, it looks like it will possibly spoil things from Thor: TDW, so, see Thor 2 before you see this one.  I'm actually really excited about the second Thor movie, the first one was a huge surprise to me for how good it was, and the early reviews from the overseas premiers have been extremely positive.

There's no way they will spoil the movie in a TV episode that airs before the movie comes out - not a chance


It comes out two weeks after the US premier of the movie and three weeks after the UK premiere (where AoS has been pretty strong).  I imagine they'll keep the spoilers to a minimum as much as they can, but part of the concept of the show has been tie-ins to the movies.  I'm sure Disney would love to encourage people to go see the movies sooner to help drive big opening numbers and buzz for later success, so having some time bombs in a popular show that encourage people to go out and see the movie quickly makes some sense.
 
2013-11-02 03:59:42 AM
Some guest stars listed, not many familiar names.. wait, Peter MacNicol?

'You know who this is?  Is VIGO!  You are like the buzzing of flies to him!'
 
2013-11-02 04:11:16 AM
Wake me when the Morlocks from the X-Men get a movie or tv show.
 
2013-11-02 04:14:02 AM

the801: i only recognize half of those references, and i didn't want to watch even before i saw the picture in TFA:

[img2.timeinc.net image 612x458]

it looks like one of those saturday morning tv shows they show at 10am for the 10 year olds , as opposed to 8am cartoons for the 6 year olds. 2x more production skillz than power rangers, 10x less cool than the tribe, with more than a little wish-i-was-kevin-sorbo.


Are you from 1994? Or just a jerk?
 
2013-11-02 04:16:31 AM
Well, I just had a public nerdgasm.
 
2013-11-02 04:39:39 AM
Frakes knows his shiat. Don't judge him until you've seen how he does this episode ;)
 
2013-11-02 04:46:38 AM

Alphax: Some guest stars listed, not many familiar names.. wait, Peter MacNicol?

'You know who this is?  Is VIGO!  You are like the buzzing of flies to him!'


Coulson: 'You know, I think you backed the wrong horse.  Tase him.'
 
2013-11-02 04:47:19 AM
Wow, it's like a show where every decision is dictated to internet message boards. Maybe, by doing this, fanboy whiners can finally see just how bad their ideas really are.

/Probably not.
 
2013-11-02 05:05:00 AM

stoli n coke: Wow, it's like a show where every decision is dictated to internet message boards. Maybe, by doing this, fanboy whiners can finally see just how bad their ideas really are.

/Probably not.


Wat?
 
2013-11-02 06:04:48 AM
I heard next week they're giving out $10 gift certificates to anyone who will watch.....
 
2013-11-02 06:37:00 AM

cheezitmojo: TuteTibiImperes: cheezitmojo: So if I watch the episode of Agents of Shield before I watch Thor 2, will there be spoilers of the movie?

So far they haven't spoiled anything from the movies in AoS other than Coulson is still around in some form or other regardless of his apparent demise in The Avengers.  They've taken things that were plot points in some of the movies like Asgard technology and Extremis, but they haven't spoiled anything in terms of how those things were used in the movies.

As far as this episode goes, it looks like it will possibly spoil things from Thor: TDW, so, see Thor 2 before you see this one.  I'm actually really excited about the second Thor movie, the first one was a huge surprise to me for how good it was, and the early reviews from the overseas premiers have been extremely positive.

But this was kind of my point: what if I don't get a chance to see the movie before I see the episode.


That's probably kinda their point.
 
2013-11-02 08:42:28 AM

Alphax: Some guest stars listed, not many familiar names.. wait, Peter MacNicol?

'You know who this is?  Is VIGO!  You are like the buzzing of flies to him!'


Good to know in not the only one who has that line play in my head whenever I see his name.
 
2013-11-02 08:53:49 AM

HawgWild: People are excited to see the next Thor movie? The only movie worse than the last Thor movie


Thor was rather entertaining, until it became obvious that they ran out of budget and had the climactic battle in an abandoned "western" set that made it look like a MST3K production.

/meow-meow
 
2013-11-02 08:58:22 AM
Awful lot of comic fanboy butthurt in this thread.
 
2013-11-02 09:05:16 AM

SpinStopper: Frakes knows his shiat. Don't judge him until you've seen how he does this episode ;)


Yeah, I'm soooo excited to see the director of Star Trek: Insurrection on a show that's already bad enough.

Sure, he directed First Contact too, but eh, Insurrection is just...wow.
 
2013-11-02 09:15:08 AM

Tax Boy: HawgWild: People are excited to see the next Thor movie? The only movie worse than the last Thor movie

Thor was rather entertaining, until it became obvious that they ran out of budget and had the climactic battle in an abandoned "western" set that made it look like a MST3K production.

/meow-meow


This. He gets his powers taken away, then get banished to Earth. So how does he earn his powers back? By making Natalie Portman breakfast? Taking a metal hand to the face?

I liked Captain America a lot, despite all if it's predictable cliches. It did them well, I thought.
 
2013-11-02 09:18:30 AM

Tax Boy: HawgWild: People are excited to see the next Thor movie? The only movie worse than the last Thor movie

Thor was rather entertaining, until it became obvious that they ran out of budget and had the climactic battle in an abandoned "western" set that made it look like a MST3K production.

/meow-meow


I think what may have been a problem with Thor was the Phase 1 movies were supposed to be origin stories. How did he get his powers? Well he's an alien "God." Ok now we need another 1h 54min. It has actually grown on me in the last couple of viewings but with a few rewrites to get it down to 1:30 it probably could have been better.
 
2013-11-02 09:29:32 AM
Maybe there will even be a crossover cameo by Thomas Riker.
 
2013-11-02 09:30:08 AM

cheezitmojo: So if I watch the episode of Agents of Shield before I watch Thor 2, will there be spoilers of the movie?


You'd better go see Thor 2 on opening weekend!
 
2013-11-02 09:39:25 AM

ThatBillmanGuy: This. He gets his powers taken away, then get banished to Earth. So how does he earn his powers back? By making Natalie Portman breakfast? Taking a metal hand to the face?


Yeah, I mean; it's not like Odin tells him he'll get his powers back when he becomes worthy of them (eg, by dying in a fight to protect innocent people) or anything.

It's not a great movie, but if you missed that I'm wondering whether you were paying enough attention for your opinion of it to be worth anything.
 
2013-11-02 10:07:58 AM
Prior to the first Thor movie:  "Is Marvel farking high?  Who the hell's going to go see a Thor movie??"

Movie is released, takes in almost half a billion dollars globally with the general consensus being, "Damn that was pretty good.  I can't believe they managed it with a character like Thor."

Two years later: Soon to be blockbuster sequel about to be released after Thor has a huge role in the amazingly successful Avengers:  "OMG that first movie sucked."
 
2013-11-02 10:11:19 AM

Gunther: ThatBillmanGuy: This. He gets his powers taken away, then get banished to Earth. So how does he earn his powers back? By making Natalie Portman breakfast? Taking a metal hand to the face?

Yeah, I mean; it's not like Odin tells him he'll get his powers back when he becomes worthy of them (eg, by dying in a fight to protect innocent people) or anything.

It's not a great movie, but if you missed that I'm wondering whether you were paying enough attention for your opinion of it to be worth anything.


Wow, way to make it personal. Pleeeease teach me to watch movies since you're so much better at it than everyone else.

Do I care if you value my opinion? Not entirely. This is a forum for people to discuss things and sometimes those opinions may differ from yours, right?

Anyway, I agree that it's not a great film, but it's not bad either. I'm just saying his time on Earth seemed rather.... pointless for the most part. Yeah, dying to save a bunch of innocent people proves he's not the warmongering asshole Odin thought he was. But as far as character development reaching that point, it just seemed forced and tacked on, to me. But that's my worthless opinion. Next time I'll read the cliff notes version of what we're allowed to have an opinion on according to Gunther.
 
2013-11-02 10:13:44 AM

doglover: But really the time is nigh for a Deadpool movie. Marvel should really make that happen nowish.


Marvel has no control over the movie rights of Deadpool.  They're controlled by Fox which is why a character with the name shows up in one of the horrible Wolverine movies.
 
2013-11-02 10:19:17 AM

Shrugging Atlas: Prior to the first Thor movie:  "Is Marvel farking high?  Who the hell's going to go see a Thor movie??"

Movie is released, takes in almost half a billion dollars globally with the general consensus being, "Damn that was pretty good.  I can't believe they managed it with a character like Thor."

Two years later: Soon to be blockbuster sequel about to be released after Thor has a huge role in the amazingly successful Avengers:  "OMG that first movie sucked."


You, I like you.

My bf made me watch Thor, even though I had no desire to. His story seemed to silly. I enjoyed it quite a bit and will probably go watch Thor 2 on opening weekend.
 
2013-11-02 10:20:45 AM
If they want to fix Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., here's a tip:

KILL OFF SKYE.

There, Marvel: 70% of the problem is handled. You're welcome.
 
2013-11-02 10:29:24 AM

ZeroCorpse: If they want to fix Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., here's a tip:

KILL OFF SKYE.

There, Marvel: 70% of the problem is handled. You're welcome.


I agree with this. And try to give the science nerds a good story. Their characters annoy me. Too wholesome and giggly for agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.
 
2013-11-02 10:34:06 AM
If Marvel wants to spike the Agents of Shield ratings, the hour long crossover should basically just be 40 minutes of Natalie Portman self-pleasuring herself with Thor's hammer.  Boom.  Best rated show in television history.
 
2013-11-02 10:47:22 AM
I think Captain America was the best-made of the Phase I movies, but I was pleasantly surprised by Thor.
 
2013-11-02 10:49:54 AM

ThatBillmanGuy: Gunther: ThatBillmanGuy: This. He gets his powers taken away, then get banished to Earth. So how does he earn his powers back? By making Natalie Portman breakfast? Taking a metal hand to the face?

Yeah, I mean; it's not like Odin tells him he'll get his powers back when he becomes worthy of them (eg, by dying in a fight to protect innocent people) or anything.

It's not a great movie, but if you missed that I'm wondering whether you were paying enough attention for your opinion of it to be worth anything.

Wow, way to make it personal. Pleeeease teach me to watch movies since you're so much better at it than everyone else.

Do I care if you value my opinion? Not entirely. This is a forum for people to discuss things and sometimes those opinions may differ from yours, right?

Anyway, I agree that it's not a great film, but it's not bad either. I'm just saying his time on Earth seemed rather.... pointless for the most part. Yeah, dying to save a bunch of innocent people proves he's not the warmongering asshole Odin thought he was. But as far as character development reaching that point, it just seemed forced and tacked on, to me. But that's my worthless opinion. Next time I'll read the cliff notes version of what we're allowed to have an opinion on according to Gunther.


I'm sorry my fairly minor criticism of your misinterpretation of the plot of a comic book movie so upset you. To prevent this happening again, I'm gonna favorite you as "delicate flower".
 
2013-11-02 10:56:35 AM
I had my doubts about the first Thor movie, but it was a lot better than I expected. And I liked it even better after rewatching it recently. It holds up, and my wife and I are very excited to see the sequel.

I really, really want Agents of SHIELD to succeed. I want it to be good, but the show frustrates me. My biggest gripe is with Fitz and SImmons. I don't know who they are because they have no conflict with each other. I know a lot more about the two scientists in Pacific Rim because all those two guys did was bicker. Their conflict defined their characters, their worldview, and their relationship. We need a lot more of that on Agents
 
2013-11-02 11:09:52 AM
this show is absolutely horrible. my 6 year old can't stand it because there's too little action, i hate it because the writing is shiattier than the power rangers. who is the star? only one bug eyed actress has any character development and it is shallow. it's just an unwatchable show.
 
2013-11-02 11:19:33 AM

scamp-dun-emer: Well, I just had a public nerdgasm.


Right?
I'm so sick of the nerd hate about this show. If you  don't like it, fine. Don't farking watch it. But also, don't be part of that "dime a dozen" stereotype of nerds hating comic book things.
It's a TV SHOW SET IN THE MARVEL UNIVERSE!
WEEKLY!
It's not a knock off like Heroes.
"Oh, wagh! It's not good enough!"
Fark you.
I was watching spandex clad Captain America on his dumb motorcycle before most of you could even read, so if you say this is really bad, you don't know shait.

/I'm there for you Coulson
 
2013-11-02 11:29:46 AM

Shrugging Atlas: doglover: But really the time is nigh for a Deadpool movie. Marvel should really make that happen nowish.

Marvel has no control over the movie rights of Deadpool.  They're controlled by Fox which is why a character with the name shows up in one of the horrible Wolverine movies.


I don't get the love for Deadpool. Perhaps fun in small doses, but there's no way a Deadpool movie could work. He's a shallow, one dimensional character. It might play well to the hardcore comic book crowd, but that's about it. General audiences would receive it about as well as they did Spawn.
 
2013-11-02 11:34:28 AM

soporific: I really, really want Agents of SHIELD to succeed. I want it to be good, but the show frustrates me. My biggest gripe is with Fitz and SImmons. I don't know who they are


May and generically-handsome-dude are playing very one-dimensional characters as well. The fact that I can't even remember generically-handsome-dude's name despite watching 5 episodes of a show where he's a main character should tell you how well-developed he is. Skye isn't a great character but at least she's got recognizable personality traits other than "stoic".

Zombie DJ: It's a TV SHOW SET IN THE MARVEL UNIVERSE!
WEEKLY!
It's not a knock off like Heroes.
"Oh, wagh! It's not good enough!"
Fark you.


It's been pretty mediocre so far, dude; it's OK to admit that. Just being set in the marvel universe doesn't mean we should mindlessly support it.
 
2013-11-02 11:40:45 AM

Orgasmatron138: I think Captain America was the best-made of the Phase I movies, but I was pleasantly surprised by Thor.


HawgWild: People are excited to see the next Thor movie? The only movie worse than the last Thor movie was the Captain America movie. Ugh. Couldn't even make it through that one.


i don't know why i find these sort of opposing comments funny, but i do.  movies are totally subjective, some people might love a movie other people hate, and vice versa.  even fans of a particular genre (superhero movies) will totally disagree about movies within that genre, and it fascinates me why that is the case.
 
2013-11-02 11:52:39 AM

Gunther: ThatBillmanGuy: Gunther: ThatBillmanGuy: This. He gets his powers taken away, then get banished to Earth. So how does he earn his powers back? By making Natalie Portman breakfast? Taking a metal hand to the face?

Yeah, I mean; it's not like Odin tells him he'll get his powers back when he becomes worthy of them (eg, by dying in a fight to protect innocent people) or anything.

It's not a great movie, but if you missed that I'm wondering whether you were paying enough attention for your opinion of it to be worth anything.

Wow, way to make it personal. Pleeeease teach me to watch movies since you're so much better at it than everyone else.

Do I care if you value my opinion? Not entirely. This is a forum for people to discuss things and sometimes those opinions may differ from yours, right?

Anyway, I agree that it's not a great film, but it's not bad either. I'm just saying his time on Earth seemed rather.... pointless for the most part. Yeah, dying to save a bunch of innocent people proves he's not the warmongering asshole Odin thought he was. But as far as character development reaching that point, it just seemed forced and tacked on, to me. But that's my worthless opinion. Next time I'll read the cliff notes version of what we're allowed to have an opinion on according to Gunther.

I'm sorry my fairly minor criticism of your misinterpretation of the plot of a comic book movie so upset you. To prevent this happening again, I'm gonna favorite you as "delicate flower".


Heh. Cool. I knew it'd be taken that way. But once you hit post, you're committed. Which color am I?
 
2013-11-02 12:02:37 PM
I think Simmons needs the most development.. at least about Fitz, we know he's squeamish about dead bodies, and he's noticed Skye's breasts.
 
2013-11-02 12:03:17 PM

Zombie DJ: scamp-dun-emer: Well, I just had a public nerdgasm.

Right?
I'm so sick of the nerd hate about this show. If you  don't like it, fine. Don't farking watch it. But also, don't be part of that "dime a dozen" stereotype of nerds hating comic book things.
It's a TV SHOW SET IN THE MARVEL UNIVERSE!
WEEKLY!
It's not a knock off like Heroes.
"Oh, wagh! It's not good enough!"
Fark you.
I was watching spandex clad Captain America on his dumb motorcycle before most of you could even read, so if you say this is really bad, you don't know shait.

/I'm there for you Coulson


Preach it, brother. [fist bump]

Not that it'll do any good. Fanboys complain. It's what they live for.
 
2013-11-02 12:04:50 PM
I like the show.

Comic nerds are way too picky to deserve TV airtime, I guess.
 
2013-11-02 12:05:38 PM
1. Kill off Skye
2. Get rid of Roll Fizzlebeef
3. Have the nerds have a bigger purpose,
4. Add a C list or B list superhero
5. Get AIM involved
6. KILL OFF SKYE.
 
2013-11-02 12:07:32 PM
ThatBillmanGuy:

Anyway, I agree that it's not a great film, but it's not bad either. I'm just saying his time on Earth seemed rather.... pointless for the most part. Yeah, dying to save a bunch of innocent people proves he's not the warmongering asshole Odin thought he was. But as far as character development reaching that point, it just seemed forced and tacked on, to me.

I think the time on Earth and the loss of powers were necessary to humanize the character a bit.  He starts off as an alien 'god' living in a super-advanced society where he's the heir to the throne, why would someone in that position care about Earth?  They had to find a way to give him compassion for humans to set up the events for The Avengers.

It looks like Thor: TDW is going to up the ante considerably in terms of epic battles and Asgard powers, so it also helped to have a lower baseline to start from.
 
2013-11-02 12:14:03 PM

LectertheChef: Shrugging Atlas: doglover: But really the time is nigh for a Deadpool movie. Marvel should really make that happen nowish.

Marvel has no control over the movie rights of Deadpool.  They're controlled by Fox which is why a character with the name shows up in one of the horrible Wolverine movies.

I don't get the love for Deadpool. Perhaps fun in small doses, but there's no way a Deadpool movie could work. He's a shallow, one dimensional character. It might play well to the hardcore comic book crowd, but that's about it. General audiences would receive it about as well as they did Spawn.


A Deadpool movie is reportedly in the works.  But, it's Fox.
 
2013-11-02 12:17:49 PM
Great Odin's raven!
 
2013-11-02 12:21:26 PM
And now we can see how Shield will survive a few more boring years.  They can shamelessly serve as an advertisement for the next big Marvel movie (Winter Soldier and Avengers 2 are coming up).

Too bad the show itself is pretty awful.
 
2013-11-02 12:21:44 PM

Gunther: It's been pretty mediocre so far, dude; it's OK to admit that. Just being set in the marvel universe doesn't mean we should mindlessly support it.


I give it no points for trying to sell it to fanboys with the Marvel tag.  It's a shiat show, with shiat writing, shiat plots, shiat effects, and shiat characters except for Coulson.
 
2013-11-02 12:23:21 PM
This is a surprise?

I suppose having Frakes on board to direct is a little bit of a surprise but much less so when one remembers he is pretty much a director now.

They were always going to cross over the movies with the tv series. What is stupid is they didn't do more with the TV show to hype the upcoming movie.
 
2013-11-02 12:30:15 PM

TuteTibiImperes: I keep hearing it being called a procedural, and while it may borrow certain elements, that isn't really the feel of the show.  They need to do a better job of creating the season spanning arcs, but so far it's been much more fluid than something like CSI or NCIS.


Technically it's a monster of the week show, but that means exactly the same thing as a procedural, just for a fantasy show, so...

//Still a bit sad that it's not that good.  Not terrible, but basically Fringe without Fringe's one or two charismatic actors.
 
2013-11-02 12:35:26 PM

Moodybastard: This is a surprise?

I suppose having Frakes on board to direct is a little bit of a surprise but much less so when one remembers he is pretty much a director now.

They were always going to cross over the movies with the tv series. What is stupid is they didn't do more with the TV show to hype the upcoming movie.


Probably they had to make sure the six episode order didn't have any ties that lock it near any date.  While the Fall was the most likely outcome, mid-season replacement was probably on the table.  The show has a lot of room to improve.  However, it actually has been getting better.  Also the impression that Shield is disappointing in the ratings is currently false.  I don't think ABC expected it to outperform NCIS and it's been competitive with The Voice.  It's also solid in the key demographics.
 
2013-11-02 12:35:35 PM
Oh goody, another thread about this piece of garbage show.

I'm going to go enjoy my heroes fighting the league of shadows Wednesday instead.
 
2013-11-02 12:40:36 PM

rocky_howard: SpinStopper: Frakes knows his shiat. Don't judge him until you've seen how he does this episode ;)

Yeah, I'm soooo excited to see the director of Star Trek: Insurrection on a show that's already bad enough.

Sure, he directed First Contact too, but eh, Insurrection is just...wow.


Frakes directed a bunch of episodes for Leverage too, and was perfectly competent.

And my main complaint about  Agents of SHIELDso far is the lack of Marvel feel. I know Marvel IP is a minefield of permissions, but there are thousands of characters, places, and things to draw on. It's a SHIELD series, where's Clay Quartermain? Jasper Stillwell? Jimmy Woo? Countess Valentina? Any of those would be more interesting than the dull-as-dishwater characters we've been following so far. If this upcoming episode doesn't bring it, I'm off the bandwagon.

/yes, I know, who cares?
//stop don't liking what I like
 
2013-11-02 12:57:15 PM

Nefarious: Moodybastard: This is a surprise?

I suppose having Frakes on board to direct is a little bit of a surprise but much less so when one remembers he is pretty much a director now.

They were always going to cross over the movies with the tv series. What is stupid is they didn't do more with the TV show to hype the upcoming movie.

Probably they had to make sure the six episode order didn't have any ties that lock it near any date.  While the Fall was the most likely outcome, mid-season replacement was probably on the table.  The show has a lot of room to improve.  However, it actually has been getting better.  Also the impression that Shield is disappointing in the ratings is currently false.  I don't think ABC expected it to outperform NCIS and it's been competitive with The Voice.  It's also solid in the key demographics.


I was pretty certain it was going to be picked up for a full season unless it completely tanked. Disney /Marvel/ABC see the money potential in the comic book movies, the series doesn't have any top dollar stars and they can recycle production elements from the movies.
I do expect it to improve. I've said before I loved Babylon 5 and its first season was very weak.
 
2013-11-02 12:58:19 PM
The show is boring, the acting wooden, and overall it suffers from being constantly compared to the jaw dropping effects in the Marvel movies.
 
2013-11-02 01:00:56 PM

hammer85: I'm going to go enjoy my heroes fighting the league of shadows Wednesday instead.


Arrow? Really, that's the alternative?
 
2013-11-02 01:03:20 PM

deadsanta: The show is boring, the acting wooden, and overall it suffers from being constantly compared to the jaw dropping effects in the Marvel movies.


The bolded part is the biggest problem I think.  There are still a lot of people that apparently expect it to be The Avengers on TV, and that's just not possible from a budget standpoint.

I'll give you that the characters started out fairly shallow, but they've been adding some depth over the past few episodes, and things are going on the right track.  Some people have decided to hate it after seeing one or two episodes, and apparently nothing will change their minds, so whatever, but if you've been paying attention you can see that things are starting to fall into place.

As far as the characters go though, Coulson has been great since day one, I've liked Skye since she came onboard, Ward has taken more time, but 'Eye Spy' really helped his character, and the scientists are amusing, though I'd like to see more of them.  Ming-Na's character is really the only big trouble spot for me.  Something needs to be done there, because right now she just comes off as moody and biatchy, not very fun to watch.
 
2013-11-02 01:08:19 PM
One thing we can all agree on.  Thor is pretty.

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2013-11-02 01:08:44 PM

eddievercetti: hammer85: I'm going to go enjoy my heroes fighting the league of shadows Wednesday instead.

Arrow? Really, that's the alternative?


You mean the show that's infinitely better than shield in every way, then yes, it's a pretty good alternative
 
2013-11-02 01:12:59 PM

eddievercetti: 1. Kill off Skye
2. Get rid of Roll Fizzlebeef
3. Have the nerds have a bigger purpose,
4. Add a C list or B list superhero
5. Get AIM involved
6. KILL OFF SKYE.


You there, yes you. STFU.

i232.photobucket.com
 
2013-11-02 01:15:16 PM

chewielouie: eddievercetti: 1. Kill off Skye
2. Get rid of Roll Fizzlebeef
3. Have the nerds have a bigger purpose,
4. Add a C list or B list superhero
5. Get AIM involved
6. KILL OFF SKYE.

You there, yes you. STFU.


And you idiots are why this show will never be good.
 
2013-11-02 01:16:34 PM

TuteTibiImperes: ThatBillmanGuy:

Anyway, I agree that it's not a great film, but it's not bad either. I'm just saying his time on Earth seemed rather.... pointless for the most part. Yeah, dying to save a bunch of innocent people proves he's not the warmongering asshole Odin thought he was. But as far as character development reaching that point, it just seemed forced and tacked on, to me.

I think the time on Earth and the loss of powers were necessary to humanize the character a bit.  He starts off as an alien 'god' living in a super-advanced society where he's the heir to the throne, why would someone in that position care about Earth?  They had to find a way to give him compassion for humans to set up the events for The Avengers.

It looks like Thor: TDW is going to up the ante considerably in terms of epic battles and Asgard powers, so it also helped to have a lower baseline to start from.


The scene that worked for me a little better was when he was in the shield interrogation room and talking to Loki. Thor accepted his banishment and even wished his brother well as ruler, even though at the time he didn't know Loki was lying his ass off. Yet his acceptance and understanding that he had been kind of a dumbass didn't earn him the power of Thor right there, even though, to me, it seemed he had learned humility and the consequences of his actions by doing that. But I guess he needed to sacrifice himself too.
 
2013-11-02 01:50:21 PM
Too bad a Captain Riker show never happened. He was certainly among the best Trek actors, and maybe the most fan friendly.
 
2013-11-02 01:53:12 PM
'Agents of SHIELD' doing 'Thor: The Dark World' crossover episode because such crossovers will be the only thing that keeps the show on the air.
 
2013-11-02 01:54:37 PM

chewielouie: eddievercetti: 1. Kill off Skye
2. Get rid of Roll Fizzlebeef
3. Have the nerds have a bigger purpose,
4. Add a C list or B list superhero
5. Get AIM involved
6. KILL OFF SKYE.

You there, yes you. STFU.

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If that's the only reason you watch the show, may I introduce you to this thing called "the internet" and this other thing called "porn" you can find there for free.
 
2013-11-02 02:02:36 PM

hammer85: chewielouie: eddievercetti: 1. Kill off Skye
2. Get rid of Roll Fizzlebeef
3. Have the nerds have a bigger purpose,
4. Add a C list or B list superhero
5. Get AIM involved
6. KILL OFF SKYE.

You there, yes you. STFU.

And you idiots are why this show will never be good.


You said that a day or two ago.
 
2013-11-02 02:06:00 PM

Alphax: hammer85: chewielouie: eddievercetti: 1. Kill off Skye
2. Get rid of Roll Fizzlebeef
3. Have the nerds have a bigger purpose,
4. Add a C list or B list superhero
5. Get AIM involved
6. KILL OFF SKYE.

You there, yes you. STFU.

And you idiots are why this show will never be good.

You said that a day or two ago.


I'm well aware. Statement still stands. Not like the same animated gif posted two days apart is all of a sudden going to make me go "oh right, covered boobs, that's why I watch this show!"
 
2013-11-02 02:06:37 PM

doglover: But really the time is nigh for a Deadpool movie.


No.

I have to say I don't get the fanboi wank over Deadpool, but that's not the point. My reason for saying "no" is that the movie (as listed at IMDB) is going to star Ryan Reynolds. That last one alone should be enough reason for you to not want a Deadpool movie; I sure as hell wouldn't want a character I liked portrayed by Reynolds.
 
2013-11-02 02:09:28 PM

chewielouie: eddievercetti: 1. Kill off Skye
2. Get rid of Roll Fizzlebeef
3. Have the nerds have a bigger purpose,
4. Add a C list or B list superhero
5. Get AIM involved
6. KILL OFF SKYE.

You there, yes you. STFU.

[i232.photobucket.com image 160x90]


Go buy a Playboy, dude.

I want actors who can, y'know, ACT with their words and facial features and gestures; Not their boobs.

Skye is a terrible character. Chloe Wang Bennet is a terrible actress. It doesn't matter how much sex appeal they try to wedge into the show, it's still agonizing listening to her speak.
 
2013-11-02 02:12:26 PM

chewielouie: eddievercetti: 1. Kill off Skye
2. Get rid of Roll Fizzlebeef
3. Have the nerds have a bigger purpose,
4. Add a C list or B list superhero
5. Get AIM involved
6. KILL OFF SKYE.

You there, yes you. STFU.

[i232.photobucket.com image 160x90]


Wow boobs. There's this thing called character development...

hammer85: eddievercetti: hammer85: I'm going to go enjoy my heroes fighting the league of shadows Wednesday instead.

Arrow? Really, that's the alternative?

You mean the show that's infinitely better than shield in every way, then yes, it's a pretty good alternative.


I know they brought Deathstroke and Bronze Tiger to the party so maybe they got something. More than the 5 second Gravitron cameo.
 
2013-11-02 02:13:48 PM

ZeroCorpse: chewielouie: eddievercetti: 1. Kill off Skye
2. Get rid of Roll Fizzlebeef
3. Have the nerds have a bigger purpose,
4. Add a C list or B list superhero
5. Get AIM involved
6. KILL OFF SKYE.

You there, yes you. STFU.

[i232.photobucket.com image 160x90]

Go buy a Playboy, dude.

I want actors who can, y'know, ACT with their words and facial features and gestures; Not their boobs.

Skye is a terrible character. Chloe Wang Bennet is a terrible actress. It doesn't matter how much sex appeal they try to wedge into the show, it's still agonizing listening to her speak.


Really?  I think she's done a good job in the role so far.  The biggest complaints all seem to boil down to 'she's too pretty to be a hacker living in a van, thus she can't act'.  She can't help how she looks, but I think she's acted well thus far.  Give her time to grow into the character and it will get even better.
 
2013-11-02 02:14:58 PM

ZeroCorpse: Skye is a terrible character. Chloe Wang Bennet is a terrible actress. It doesn't matter how much sex appeal they try to wedge into the show, it's still agonizing listening to her speak.


Agonizing?  Really now, I know you hate everything, but..
 
2013-11-02 02:16:21 PM

eddievercetti: 6. KILL OFF SKYE.

You there, yes you. STFU.

[i232.photobucket.com image 160x90]

Wow boobs. There's this thing called character development...


Wait, you want her boobs bigger?
 
2013-11-02 02:19:12 PM

eddievercetti: chewielouie: eddievercetti: 1. Kill off Skye
2. Get rid of Roll Fizzlebeef
3. Have the nerds have a bigger purpose,
4. Add a C list or B list superhero
5. Get AIM involved
6. KILL OFF SKYE.

You there, yes you. STFU.

[i232.photobucket.com image 160x90]

Wow boobs. There's this thing called character development...

hammer85: eddievercetti: hammer85: I'm going to go enjoy my heroes fighting the league of shadows Wednesday instead.

Arrow? Really, that's the alternative?

You mean the show that's infinitely better than shield in every way, then yes, it's a pretty good alternative.

I know they brought Deathstroke and Bronze Tiger to the party so maybe they got something. More than the 5 second Gravitron cameo.


Deathstroke has been around since season 1. Their most recent additions are brother blood, black canary, ras al ghul/league of shadows, and hints at professor ivo and amazo.

Oh and we know flash shows up soon.
 
2013-11-02 02:20:08 PM

ArcadianRefugee: eddievercetti: 6. KILL OFF SKYE.

You there, yes you. STFU.

[i232.photobucket.com image 160x90]

Wow boobs. There's this thing called character development...

Wait, you want her boobs bigger?


No.

I want the show to make me give a damn about her yet not make her loathsome.

BTW May and Simmons are hotter.
 
2013-11-02 02:20:30 PM
hammer85: eddievercetti: hammer85: I'm going to go enjoy my heroes fighting the league of shadows Wednesday instead.

Arrow? Really, that's the alternative?

You mean the show that's infinitely better than shield in every way, then yes, it's a pretty good alternative.

I know they brought Deathstroke and Bronze Tiger to the party so maybe they got something. More than the 5 second Gravitron cameo.


Bronze Tiger was a let down, but he's not dead, so you know he can come back. Deathstroke is still a "good guy" for now, although that could change very quickly. Black Canary's true identity is pretty ridiculous, but I like how they're using multiple episodes to show why that particular huge suspension of disbelief was warranted.
 
2013-11-02 02:21:17 PM
Okay so how the hell did we get into this thread this far and NOT have pictures?!

Starting with the obvious, the man himself, Clark Gregg.

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Always keep in mind: Agent Coulson almost had Hawkeye kill Thor, with no need for higher authorization.

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Friends and allies now.

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Stopping here but honestly, I could keep going for quite a while.

/I tumblr roleplay and crossplay as Agent Coulson
 
2013-11-02 02:22:56 PM

hammer85: Deathstroke has been around since season 1. Their most recent additions are brother blood, black canary, ras al ghul/league of shadows, and hints at professor ivo and amazo.


See SHIELD, there's your problem, you don't have recognizable characters!

Fark, add NEXTWAVE, Power Pack, Squirrel Girl, Union Jack yet you add Scorch who gets axed as soon as we met him.
 
2013-11-02 02:25:53 PM

Ringshadow: Starting with the obvious, the man himself, Clark Gregg.


Fun fact: I have a coworker named Greg Clark.

Haven't seen him around much lately, though.  Part timer.
 
2013-11-02 02:27:30 PM

Ringshadow: Okay so how the hell did we get into this thread this far and NOT have pictures?!

Starting with the obvious, the man himself, Clark Gregg.

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Always keep in mind: Agent Coulson almost had Hawkeye kill Thor, with no need for higher authorization.

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Friends and allies now.

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Stopping here but honestly, I could keep going for quite a while.

/I tumblr roleplay and crossplay as Agent Coulson


CSB, but I got my picture with Lola at New York Comic Con.  I think I was even wearing my shield shirt that day.
 
2013-11-02 02:29:39 PM
Tom Hiddleston? Oh yes.

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Let's be honest here it was his acting that sold Thor.

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static.guim.co.uk

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"Guys? I'm not giving them back."

blog.zap2it.com
Shakespeare? Leather? Oh yes.

mouthybroadcast.com

This man brought a reporter on the red carpet soup because it's cold.

/seriously
 
2013-11-02 02:35:17 PM

Ringshadow: Okay so how the hell did we get into this thread this far and NOT have pictures?!

Starting with the obvious, the man himself, Clark Gregg.

[25.media.tumblr.com image 500x500]

[static.tumblr.com image 500x528]

[24.media.tumblr.com image 500x534]

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Always keep in mind: Agent Coulson almost had Hawkeye kill Thor, with no need for higher authorization.

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Friends and allies now.

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Stopping here but honestly, I could keep going for quite a while.

/I tumblr roleplay and crossplay as Agent Coulson


I forgot about you, and when I see you again it is so you can fangurl about Coulson.

Jeez.
 
2013-11-02 02:37:05 PM

eddievercetti: hammer85: Deathstroke has been around since season 1. Their most recent additions are brother blood, black canary, ras al ghul/league of shadows, and hints at professor ivo and amazo.

See SHIELD, there's your problem, you don't have recognizable characters!

Fark, add NEXTWAVE, Power Pack, Squirrel Girl, Union Jack yet you add Scorch who gets axed as soon as we met him.


Right, I also missed doll maker who is probably deadified, and as far as I'm aware count vertigo comes back for his third appearance in a few episodes.

My favorite part of season 2 is all the hints we keep getting on the flash origin. Particle accelerator experiment goes wrong.

Or else it's the most beautiful troll ever
 
2013-11-02 02:37:18 PM
I watched one episode and the middle aged guy from the movie just reminds me of Claires dad from Heroes.  This is not a selling point.
 
2013-11-02 02:37:39 PM
The Chrises?
24.media.tumblr.com
Yes, that's how they're referred to as by the rest of the cast.

But seriously, movies need more female gaze. You know how female antagonists always get that long leering pan shot over their bodies? Could I please have that for male actors too? Throw us a freaking bone here.
www.thor2.org

www.allstarworkouts.com
resources1.news.com.au
Say what you will he always looks like he's having fun.

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Will someone please explain to actors that this outfit equals Castiel?
 
2013-11-02 02:43:47 PM

Ringshadow: The Chrises?
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Yes, that's how they're referred to as by the rest of the cast.

But seriously, movies need more female gaze. You know how female antagonists always get that long leering pan shot over their bodies? Could I please have that for male actors too? Throw us a freaking bone here.
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Say what you will he always looks like he's having fun.

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Will someone please explain to actors that this outfit equals Castiel?


You mean Inspector Cleuseu.
 
2013-11-02 02:52:20 PM

TuteTibiImperes: ZeroCorpse: chewielouie: eddievercetti: 1. Kill off Skye
2. Get rid of Roll Fizzlebeef
3. Have the nerds have a bigger purpose,
4. Add a C list or B list superhero
5. Get AIM involved
6. KILL OFF SKYE.

You there, yes you. STFU.

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Go buy a Playboy, dude.

I want actors who can, y'know, ACT with their words and facial features and gestures; Not their boobs.

Skye is a terrible character. Chloe Wang Bennet is a terrible actress. It doesn't matter how much sex appeal they try to wedge into the show, it's still agonizing listening to her speak.

Really?  I think she's done a good job in the role so far.  The biggest complaints all seem to boil down to 'she's too pretty to be a hacker living in a van, thus she can't act'.  She can't help how she looks, but I think she's acted well thus far.  Give her time to grow into the character and it will get even better.


She's ok, but the writers are doing a horrible job of things. My complaints about her aren't that she's too pretty to be a hacker living in a van although that stretches my suspension of disbelief a bit. My chief complaint is that they are making her way too central to every plotline so far. Yes, we get it, she's useful and she has a reason for doing for what does but don't make her magically save the day constantly. Develop her more, make her more than just a hot uber hacker.

And for farks sake develop captain cardboard. Give the guy a real personality and past, or at least make him a bit mysterious like Agent May.

/never would have figured a show based on Green Arrow would be so much better than one based on SHIELD.
 
2013-11-02 02:54:26 PM

Trocadero: hammer85: eddievercetti: hammer85: I'm going to go enjoy my heroes fighting the league of shadows Wednesday instead.

Arrow? Really, that's the alternative?

You mean the show that's infinitely better than shield in every way, then yes, it's a pretty good alternative.

I know they brought Deathstroke and Bronze Tiger to the party so maybe they got something. More than the 5 second Gravitron cameo.

Bronze Tiger was a let down, but he's not dead, so you know he can come back. Deathstroke is still a "good guy" for now, although that could change very quickly. Black Canary's true identity is pretty ridiculous, but I like how they're using multiple episodes to show why that particular huge suspension of disbelief was warranted.


Eh I called that it would be Sarah way before it was announced.

My favorite thing about her so far is just how much better Sarah + Ollie do together than laurel + Ollie and especially huntress + Ollie.

The weapon swap in last episode was amazing, and this week looks like it's going to be those two throwing down with the league epically.
 
2013-11-02 03:00:39 PM
I haven't started the second season of arrow yet, but im pretty excited for it. It took about half a season for me to really get into that show, but it has direction from the beginning. You knew what it wanted to do and where it was going. I was never a green arrow fan, but they turned me into one. Shield needs focus. Really flesh out two characters. It shouldn't be hard to fix the show.
 
2013-11-02 03:01:03 PM

Dingleberry Dickwad: TuteTibiImperes: ZeroCorpse: chewielouie: eddievercetti: 1. Kill off Skye
2. Get rid of Roll Fizzlebeef
3. Have the nerds have a bigger purpose,
4. Add a C list or B list superhero
5. Get AIM involved
6. KILL OFF SKYE.

You there, yes you. STFU.

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Go buy a Playboy, dude.

I want actors who can, y'know, ACT with their words and facial features and gestures; Not their boobs.

Skye is a terrible character. Chloe Wang Bennet is a terrible actress. It doesn't matter how much sex appeal they try to wedge into the show, it's still agonizing listening to her speak.

Really?  I think she's done a good job in the role so far.  The biggest complaints all seem to boil down to 'she's too pretty to be a hacker living in a van, thus she can't act'.  She can't help how she looks, but I think she's acted well thus far.  Give her time to grow into the character and it will get even better.

She's ok, but the writers are doing a horrible job of things. My complaints about her aren't that she's too pretty to be a hacker living in a van although that stretches my suspension of disbelief a bit. My chief complaint is that they are making her way too central to every plotline so far. Yes, we get it, she's useful and she has a reason for doing for what does but don't make her magically save the day constantly. Develop her more, make her more than just a hot uber hacker.

And for farks sake develop captain cardboard. Give the guy a real personality and past, or at least make him a bit mysterious like Agent May.

/never would have figured a show based on Green Arrow would be so much better than one based on SHIELD.


My complaints about Skye is just that she isn't a believable character and her entire backstory conflicts with everything she is.

I don't even care about the super hot hacker thing.

It's that she dresses like a supermodel when she says she's poor and not materialistic.

It's that shield is apparently a secret organization (avengers tony: a spy agency that hates intelligence is bad; iron man him never knowing about it) but drives around with giant labels on their cars.

Oh and somehow the girl who was never loved and sent from foster home to foster home somehow knows that secret agency kidnapped her parents which caused her to want to be a hacker and get trained by that guy in the last episode in apparently less than a year since shield supposedly went public.


Orrrrr you could go with felicity, who has been working in IT for her whole life as a job.
 
2013-11-02 03:04:47 PM
And don't even get me started on how they introduce coulsons being alive as top secret level 7 clearance yet not a single shield member has yet to be surprised at his survival
 
2013-11-02 03:06:09 PM

chewielouie: eddievercetti: 1. Kill off Skye
2. Get rid of Roll Fizzlebeef
3. Have the nerds have a bigger purpose,
4. Add a C list or B list superhero
5. Get AIM involved
6. KILL OFF SKYE.

You there, yes you. STFU.

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Your forgetting her other great performance.
 
2013-11-02 03:08:06 PM

hammer85: chewielouie: eddievercetti: 1. Kill off Skye
2. Get rid of Roll Fizzlebeef
3. Have the nerds have a bigger purpose,
4. Add a C list or B list superhero
5. Get AIM involved
6. KILL OFF SKYE.

You there, yes you. STFU.

And you idiots are why this show will never be good.


The show will never be good because it doesn't need to be good.

Just like the 1st Captain America movie and the 3rd Hulk movie, the show just needs to be there. It's part of the franchise and will not be good in its own right because that's not its purpose. It is filler. You can be entertained by it in the larger context of the franchise, but don't go expecting it to be good.

/hatin'
 
2013-11-02 03:08:11 PM
 
2013-11-02 03:17:53 PM
Superman Returns was better than Thor.
 
2013-11-02 03:18:30 PM

Zombie DJ: scamp-dun-emer: Well, I just had a public nerdgasm.

Right?
I'm so sick of the nerd hate about this show. If you  don't like it, fine. Don't farking watch it. But also, don't be part of that "dime a dozen" stereotype of nerds hating comic book things.
It's a TV SHOW SET IN THE MARVEL UNIVERSE!
WEEKLY!
It's not a knock off like Heroes.
"Oh, wagh! It's not good enough!"
Fark you.
I was watching spandex clad Captain America on his dumb motorcycle before most of you could even read, so if you say this is really bad, you don't know shait.

/I'm there for you Coulson


I couldn't agree more.

I remember, even as a kid, I couldn't understand why Cap's shield was plexiglass, etc. So, I don't get all the hate, except this is the Internet and everything MUST be hated.*

We're five shows in, and people are screaming about character development? Really, watch the first five episodes of Buffy, Doctor Who, or NCIS, or whatever show creams your jeans and all you'll find are broad brush strokes, and tiny, almost throwaway moments that -- in hindsight -- you see as great bits of character development.

I tend to believe the biggest part of this is symptom of our society's need for instant gratification. People want to stream the entire season on Netflix rather than watch one episode every week or so and let the story play out. If it isn't spelled out in bold letters and underlined they don't seem to get it.

Another group of critics seem to be of the "these writers couldn't write their way out of a wet paper bag" camp. While I haven't been pleased with every plot point, character line in the series, I'm not silly enough to suggest that I could do a better job -- which is what many posters seem to be implying. If you can, prove it. Write a fanfic that's better using characters that Marvel would allow you to use with effects that a TV show could reasonably be expected to afford that fits into the tight continuity that a weekly program has and do it on an extremely short deadline. I'll wait. **crickets**

These same people also tend to complain about the acting ability of the actors. Generally, they point to the acting of Brett Dalton as Agent Ward, saying he's too wooden. Well, given that his character is written -- intentionally it seems -- as wooden and stoic, who would you like to model his performance after? Robin Williams as Mork? (I would choose Tim Kang  who plays Agent Kimball Cho on "The Mentalist" -- He's great at it. To me, the performances are very similar. That's just my opinion, though.)

This group's attacks on the Chloe Bennet character bother me the most though (Not because she's my favorite character, she's not.) because they seem mostly rooted in her appearance.

The final group of posters are what I like to affectionately call "assholes". They don't really care one way or another about the show or topic at hand, they just like to shiat on everyone else's parade. Maybe mommy and daddy didn't love them enough (or maybe they loved them too much if you know what I mean), but either way they can't stand the idea of others enjoying themselves.

The only thing I wish for, would've liked more is for them to use some c-list, d-list characters. While I do believe Skye is going to be revealed as an established Marvel character, I don't see a reason why Jimmy Woo, Clay Quartermain, etc. couldn't have been used like Maria Hill was used in the Avengers movie. But that's a minor thing to me. Overall, I've enjoyed each episode more than the previous one. Is it a perfect series? No. But I enjoy it, my family enjoys it. And it has 100% more Coulson than any other show on TV.

*Critic, the second-oldest profession.
 
2013-11-02 03:28:17 PM

Walt_Jizzney: Superman Returns was better than Thor.


That's some quality trolling right there.
 
2013-11-02 03:30:25 PM
I want actors who can, y'know, ACT with their words and facial features and gestures; Not their boobs.

Skye is a terrible character. Chloe Wang Bennet is a terrible actress. It doesn't matter how much sex appeal they try to wedge into the show, it's still agonizing listening to her speak.


She reminds me of Eliza Dushku, in delivery of her lines and even in her appearance to a degree.

My complaints about Skye is just that she isn't a believable character and her entire backstory conflicts with everything she is.

It's that she dresses like a supermodel when she says she's poor and not materialistic.


No one said she was poor, just that she was living in her van on purpose. And, other than the pink dress, which might or might not have been hers, she dresses in everyday clothes.

It's that shield is apparently a secret organization ...

S.H.I.E.L.D. is not, nor has it ever been a secret organization any more that the C.I. A. is a secret organization. It, like the C.I.A. and N.S.A. is an organization with secrets, a espionage organization.
 
2013-11-02 03:30:47 PM

Ringshadow: The Chrises?
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Yes, that's how they're referred to as by the rest of the cast.

But seriously, movies need more female gaze. You know how female antagonists always get that long leering pan shot over their bodies? Could I please have that for male actors too? Throw us a freaking bone here.
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Say what you will he always looks like he's having fun.

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Will someone please explain to actors that this outfit equals Castiel?


I remember when the shirtless scene happened, my wife just said "Oh. Thank you, movie."
 
2013-11-02 03:31:24 PM

Dingleberry Dickwad: Walt_Jizzney: Superman Returns was better than Thor.

That's some quality trolling right there.


It was a superior film.
 
2013-11-02 03:32:18 PM

Dingleberry Dickwad: .

She's ok, but the writers are doing a horrible job of things. My complaints about her aren't that she's too pretty to be a hacker living in a van although that stretches my suspension of disbelief a bit. My chief complaint is that they are making her way too central to every plotline so far. Yes, we get it, she's useful and she has a reason for doing for what does but don't make her magically save the day constantly. Develop her more, make her more than just a hot uber hacker.

And for farks sake develop captain cardboard. Give the guy a real personality and past, or at least make him a bit mysterious like Agent May.


She's been involved in every plot, but it's a small central cast, so that makes sense.  I don't agree with the mary-sue comments.  Ward and the science twins saved the day in the first episode, May and Coulson had just as big a role in saving the day in the second episode, Coulson and the science-twins did just as much as Skye in the third episode, Ward had a huge role in the 4th, and Coulson again in the 5th.  It's been team efforts all along, and yes, they do go to Skye when they need television computer magic, so perhaps there's a way to write those parts better, but it hasn't been the 'Skye saves the day' show.

hammer85:

My complaints about Skye is just that she isn't a believable character and her entire backstory conflicts with everything she is.

I don't even care about the super hot hacker thing.

It's that she dresses like a supermodel when she says she's poor and not materialistic.

It's that shield is apparently a secret organization (avengers tony: a spy agency that hates intelligence is bad; iron man him never knowing about it) but drives around with giant labels on their cars.

Oh and somehow the girl who was never loved and sent from foster home to foster home somehow knows that secret agency kidnapped her parents which caused her to want to be a hacker and get trained by that guy in the last episode in apparently less than a year since shield supposedly went public.


She seems to dress like any other woman that age, but maybe I haven't paid super close attention to the wardrobe.

I think you and I interpreted her back-story very differently.

From the way I understand it she got into the computers/hacking thing to try to track down her parents, and at some point along the way discovered the redacted SHIELD document.  

That may have led her into the Rising Tide and learning from the guy from the last episode, apparently buying into his 'information must be free' ideals and eventually pushing her to try to work her way into SHIELD.   Once in she started to see that they weren't necessarily the faceless evil organization she thought, and then her hacker-buddy showed that his own ideals weren't as pure as he'd represented them.

From the past movies SHIELD was clearly around pre-Avengers, and while they weren't involved in a PR campaign to promote themselves, they weren't exactly hiding their existence either.

So, it's not like she suddenly learned how to hack in a year after finding out SHIELD had something to do with her being put up for adoption, but rather her search for her parents led her to the computer thing which led her to the Rising Tide which led her to SHIELD.
 
2013-11-02 03:35:10 PM

Autolychus2: I want actors who can, y'know, ACT with their words and facial features and gestures; Not their boobs.

Skye is a terrible character. Chloe Wang Bennet is a terrible actress. It doesn't matter how much sex appeal they try to wedge into the show, it's still agonizing listening to her speak.

She reminds me of Eliza Dushku, in delivery of her lines and even in her appearance to a degree.

My complaints about Skye is just that she isn't a believable character and her entire backstory conflicts with everything she is.

It's that she dresses like a supermodel when she says she's poor and not materialistic.

No one said she was poor, just that she was living in her van on purpose. And, other than the pink dress, which might or might not have been hers, she dresses in everyday clothes.

It's that shield is apparently a secret organization ...

S.H.I.E.L.D. is not, nor has it ever been a secret organization any more that the C.I. A. is a secret organization. It, like the C.I.A. and N.S.A. is an organization with secrets, a espionage organization.


When her bf specifically says he took 3 million dollars so they can stop living in a crappy apartment and in a van, that pretty much says that they're poor.
 
2013-11-02 03:40:32 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Dingleberry Dickwad: .


She seems to dress like any other woman that age, but maybe I haven't paid super close attention to the wardrobe.

I think you and I interpreted her back-story very differently.

From the way I understand it she got into the computers/hacking thing to try to track down her parents, and at some point along the way discovered the redacted SHIELD document.  

That may have led her into the Rising Tide and learning from the guy from the last episode, apparently buying into his 'information must be free' ideals and eventually pushing her to try to work her way into SHIELD.   Once in she started to see that they weren't necessarily the faceless evil organization she thought, and then her hacker-buddy showed that his own ideals weren't as pure as he'd represented them.

From the past movies SHIELD was clearly around pre-Avengers, and while they weren't involved in a PR campaign to promote themselves, they weren't exactly hiding their existence either.

So, it's not like she suddenly learned how to hack in a year after finding out SHIELD had something to do with her being put up for adoption, but rather her search for her parents led her to the computer thing which led her to the Rising Tide which led her to SHIELD.


Maybe.
 
2013-11-02 03:41:06 PM
"Does ABC have to get Han Solo in this show too?"

Maybe as the director of photography. . .
 
2013-11-02 03:52:44 PM

frepnog: Dingleberry Dickwad: Walt_Jizzney: Superman Returns was better than Thor.

That's some quality trolling right there.

It was a superior film.


If it was better at all I can almost understand someone saying the cinematography to be better, but the story, acting and entertainment value? No, just no. I'll give you that Natalie Portman just phoned things in, but Superman Returns was shiat. Piss poor casting, ridiculously stupid storyline (Luthor and real estate again? Really?), and some bad acting all around.
 
2013-11-02 03:57:21 PM

Dingleberry Dickwad: frepnog: Dingleberry Dickwad: Walt_Jizzney: Superman Returns was better than Thor.

That's some quality trolling right there.

It was a superior film.

If it was better at all I can almost understand someone saying the cinematography to be better, but the story, acting and entertainment value? No, just no. I'll give you that Natalie Portman just phoned things in, but Superman Returns was shiat. Piss poor casting, ridiculously stupid storyline (Luthor and real estate again? Really?), and some bad acting all around.


The only thing that worried me about Thor 2 is that NP is in it. Easily the worst part about the original which put it at the worst of phase 1 for me
 
2013-11-02 04:02:01 PM

hammer85: Dingleberry Dickwad: frepnog: Dingleberry Dickwad: Walt_Jizzney: Superman Returns was better than Thor.

That's some quality trolling right there.

It was a superior film.

If it was better at all I can almost understand someone saying the cinematography to be better, but the story, acting and entertainment value? No, just no. I'll give you that Natalie Portman just phoned things in, but Superman Returns was shiat. Piss poor casting, ridiculously stupid storyline (Luthor and real estate again? Really?), and some bad acting all around.

The only thing that worried me about Thor 2 is that NP is in it. Easily the worst part about the original which put it at the worst of phase 1 for me


I liked Portman in it.  If anything I thought Kat Dennings' character was shoehorned in.
 
2013-11-02 04:04:32 PM

TuteTibiImperes: hammer85: Dingleberry Dickwad: frepnog: Dingleberry Dickwad: Walt_Jizzney: Superman Returns was better than Thor.

That's some quality trolling right there.

It was a superior film.

If it was better at all I can almost understand someone saying the cinematography to be better, but the story, acting and entertainment value? No, just no. I'll give you that Natalie Portman just phoned things in, but Superman Returns was shiat. Piss poor casting, ridiculously stupid storyline (Luthor and real estate again? Really?), and some bad acting all around.

The only thing that worried me about Thor 2 is that NP is in it. Easily the worst part about the original which put it at the worst of phase 1 for me

I liked Portman in it.  If anything I thought Kat Dennings' character was shoehorned in.


See I liked Dennings' character more than Portman's.
 
2013-11-02 04:08:18 PM

LectertheChef: Shrugging Atlas: doglover: But really the time is nigh for a Deadpool movie. Marvel should really make that happen nowish.

Marvel has no control over the movie rights of Deadpool.  They're controlled by Fox which is why a character with the name shows up in one of the horrible Wolverine movies.

I don't get the love for Deadpool. Perhaps fun in small doses, but there's no way a Deadpool movie could work. He's a shallow, one dimensional character. It might play well to the hardcore comic book crowd, but that's about it. General audiences would receive it about as well as they did Spawn.


I really don't see the appeal either.  I liked the comic character in small doses early on, but now he's more over exposed in the comics than anyone aside from Wolverine.  Add to that the fact Fox's track record with their Marvel movie licenses and I'll pass.
 
2013-11-02 04:14:18 PM
doglover:

"Procedurals are popular. Marvel is popular. A Marvel procedural would be popular too!"

Combos often break down.

The French are funny. Sex is funny. Comedy is funny.  French sex comedies are not funny.
 
2013-11-02 04:26:10 PM

Dingleberry Dickwad: TuteTibiImperes: hammer85: Dingleberry Dickwad: frepnog: Dingleberry Dickwad: Walt_Jizzney: Superman Returns was better than Thor.

That's some quality trolling right there.

It was a superior film.

If it was better at all I can almost understand someone saying the cinematography to be better, but the story, acting and entertainment value? No, just no. I'll give you that Natalie Portman just phoned things in, but Superman Returns was shiat. Piss poor casting, ridiculously stupid storyline (Luthor and real estate again? Really?), and some bad acting all around.

The only thing that worried me about Thor 2 is that NP is in it. Easily the worst part about the original which put it at the worst of phase 1 for me

I liked Portman in it.  If anything I thought Kat Dennings' character was shoehorned in.

See I liked Dennings' character more than Portman's.


Well, if you cast Kat Dennings and you put her character in huge coats the entire movie, you're wasting "two of her best attributes" as an actor...

25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-11-02 04:54:29 PM

hammer85: chewielouie: eddievercetti: 1. Kill off Skye Get rid of Whedon
2. Get rid of Roll Fizzlebeef
3. Have the nerds have a bigger purpose,
4. Add a C list or B list superhero
5. Get AIM involved
6. KILL OFF SKYE. Get rid of Whedon

You there, yes you. STFU.

And you idiots fanboys are why this show will never be good.


Fixed.

/fanboys will never accept that their god is flawed and can't make a mainstream TV series last to save his life
//Buffy only succeeded on the WB, not a "real" network
 
2013-11-02 05:00:59 PM

Here Comes Everybody: rocky_howard: SpinStopper: Frakes knows his shiat. Don't judge him until you've seen how he does this episode ;)

Yeah, I'm soooo excited to see the director of Star Trek: Insurrection on a show that's already bad enough.

Sure, he directed First Contact too, but eh, Insurrection is just...wow.

Frakes directed a bunch of episodes for Leverage too, and was perfectly competent.

And my main complaint about  Agents of SHIELDso far is the lack of Marvel feel. I know Marvel IP is a minefield of permissions, but there are thousands of characters, places, and things to draw on. It's a SHIELD series, where's Clay Quartermain? Jasper Stillwell? Jimmy Woo? Countess Valentina? Any of those would be more interesting than the dull-as-dishwater characters we've been following so far. If this upcoming episode doesn't bring it, I'm off the bandwagon.

/yes, I know, who cares?
//stop don't liking what I like


I'd like to see them take a similar route to the one taken by GI Joe: Renegades.  They managed to introduce a dozen of the background characters throughout their one season.  Sometimes they would just pop up in the background (Wild Bill) or you realize part way through the episode that one of the characters is a future member of the Joe team (or would be if the show had continued).
 
2013-11-02 05:21:45 PM
This show has been far too cornball and at the same time incredibly dull. The team is terrible with no dynamic and full of overdone and tired typical characters.

Awful awful awful.
 
2013-11-02 05:28:03 PM

Autolychus2: S.H.I.E.L.D. is not, nor has it ever been a secret organization any more that the C.I. A. is a secret organization. It, like the C.I.A. and N.S.A. is an organization with secrets, a espionage organization.


We didn't formally aknowledge that the CIA existed until the mid-1970s, and we didn't acknowledge that the NSA existed until the mid-1990s.  We still haven't acknowledged the full extent of what the NSA does, though intelligence analysts have had a pretty good idea for decades.
 
2013-11-02 05:33:56 PM
The problem with Agents of Shield is eerily similar to the same problem Star Trek: Voyager had. (If you don't remember the show, good for you. If you do, I apologize for dredging up bad memories.) The pilot introduces what should be an interesting dynamic: The presumptive good guys, SHIELD/the Federation, are battling against ideological crusaders, the Rising Sun/the Angus McCree (or whatever their stupid name was, I'm too lazy to Google it), who think they're the good guys trying to fight corruption within the former group. Circumstances cause members of both groups to permanently join forces, and while there's initially some suspicion between the two sides, it's almost immediately handwaved away and everyone gets along just fine. So what was the point in setting up opposing teams in the first place?

Character dramas thrive on conflict, and that's exactly what's missing from Agents of Shield. For all her supposed untrustworthiness, Skye threw in with the team almost immediately. Properly written, her character would be the Fox Mulder of the group, working within the system in order to achieve an obsessive personal goal (Fox seek sister, Skye seek parents, ABC no seek originality), but forever concerned that the organization she joined is rife with corruption and treachery. And Shield SHOULD be tainted with bad apples, as any such ultra-powerful, answerable-to-none-but-itself authoritarian force would inevitably become. Coulson, far from being so pure and benevolent all the damn time, needs some much darker edges, and his two hired killers need to show the psychological scars that result from the work they do. The techies need to be conflicted with each other in some fashion as well, or else why the hell have two of them? I'm not saying the group should be totally dysfunctional, but there ought to be more of the internal catfighting you'd see with any collection of extreme personalities cooped up together for weeks on end. Real grudges and hates, not just the occasional frowny face and stern word.

But whatever. It is what it is and it doesn't seem to be aspiring to become anything more. I can always watch Farscape reruns to see the kind of interaction this show should have had.
 
2013-11-02 05:46:33 PM

TwistedFark: Well, if you cast Kat Dennings and you put her character in huge coats the entire movie, you're wasting "two of her best ONLY attributes" as an actor...


FTFY. Girl can't act for shiat.
 
2013-11-02 06:11:34 PM

EdgeRunner: The problem with Agents of Shield is eerily similar to the same problem Star Trek: Voyager had. (If you don't remember the show, good for you. If you do, I apologize for dredging up bad memories.) The pilot introduces what should be an interesting dynamic: The presumptive good guys, SHIELD/the Federation, are battling against ideological crusaders, the Rising Sun/the Angus McCree (or whatever their stupid name was, I'm too lazy to Google it), who think they're the good guys trying to fight corruption within the former group. Circumstances cause members of both groups to permanently join forces, and while there's initially some suspicion between the two sides, it's almost immediately handwaved away and everyone gets along just fine. So what was the point in setting up opposing teams in the first place?

Character dramas thrive on conflict, and that's exactly what's missing from Agents of Shield. For all her supposed untrustworthiness, Skye threw in with the team almost immediately. Properly written, her character would be the Fox Mulder of the group, working within the system in order to achieve an obsessive personal goal (Fox seek sister, Skye seek parents, ABC no seek originality), but forever concerned that the organization she joined is rife with corruption and treachery. And Shield SHOULD be tainted with bad apples, as any such ultra-powerful, answerable-to-none-but-itself authoritarian force would inevitably become. Coulson, far from being so pure and benevolent all the damn time, needs some much darker edges, and his two hired killers need to show the psychological scars that result from the work they do. The techies need to be conflicted with each other in some fashion as well, or else why the hell have two of them? I'm not saying the group should be totally dysfunctional, but there ought to be more of the internal catfighting you'd see with any collection of extreme personalities cooped up together for weeks on end. Real grudges and hates, not just the occas ...


The whole Maquis/Federation angle in Voyager did get downplayed pretty quickly, but I don't see that as the same dynamic they're trying to set up in Coulson's team.  The Maquis in Star Trek weren't trying to undo the Federation, and the only real ideological conflict they had with them was being left to fend for themselves in the DMZ between Federation and Cardassian space, or being told that their homes and colonies had been ceded to the Cardassians and that they all had to move.  Once Voyager was effectively teleported 80 years away from home, they had a common goal that benefited both groups equally.

Skye may have fallen in with SHIELD pretty quickly, but the big reveal was the last episode, so, we still have yet to see what the aftermath will be, if she's really on board with all of their ideas, etc.

From the trailer for Captain America 2 it looks like they're setting up some conflict between at least some of the Avengers and SHIELD.  AoS has hinted that Coulson's team operates outside of the traditional SHIELD hierarchy.  What I'm guessing they might be setting up is a HAMMER/Dark Avengers storyline in the long term.  It would make some sense, as those events followed the Skrull invasion in the comics, which is what the Chitauri invasion in the MCU was loosely based on.  Norman Osbourne would be off limits as he's part of Sony's Spiderman franchise, but using Justin Hammer from Iron Man 2 makes a lot of sense given he's a natural Stark competitor and the name fits.  Plus, we know the Iron Patriot suit exists in the MCU as well.

So, over the course of the series and the movies we could see a growing rift between the powers-that-be at SHIELD, Coulson's team, and The Avengers, culminating a Dark Avengers vs. Avengers plotline for third Avengers movie with AIM (who may be behind the 'project centipede' Extremis experiments we've seen so far in AoS), HYDRA, and HAMMER all involved.

The movies in-between will show key events leading up to that struggle while AoS fills in background information in between.

Or, I could be completely off base, but I think that would be a very cool direction for them to take it.
 
2013-11-02 06:19:25 PM

HotWingAgenda: TwistedFark: Well, if you cast Kat Dennings and you put her character in huge coats the entire movie, you're wasting "two of her best ONLY attributes" as an actor...

FTFY. Girl can't act for shiat.


I've seen the show a few times on airplanes (AA runs it) and I'm inclined to believe it's mostly incredibly crappy writing.  Is there another example I should consider?
 
2013-11-02 06:33:04 PM
I will watch when all of the actors minus the lesbian from SGU get acting lessons, and they at least try to make it look like they had a bigger set budget then the local high school's version of "Little Shop of Horrors."
 
2013-11-02 06:42:26 PM

HotWingAgenda: TwistedFark: Well, if you cast Kat Dennings and you put her character in huge coats the entire movie, you're wasting "two of her best ONLY attributes" as an actor...

FTFY. Girl can't act for shiat.


To answer my own question to a degree, she seemed to get pretty good reviews for Daydream Nation.
 
2013-11-02 07:03:50 PM

sinanju: HotWingAgenda: TwistedFark: Well, if you cast Kat Dennings and you put her character in huge coats the entire movie, you're wasting "two of her best ONLY attributes" as an actor...

FTFY. Girl can't act for shiat.

To answer my own question to a degree, she seemed to get pretty good reviews for Daydream Nation.


I thought she was good in 'Nick and Norah's Infinite Playlist'.
 
2013-11-02 07:12:22 PM

eddievercetti: 1. Kill off Skye
2. Get rid of Roll Fizzlebeef
3. Have the nerds have a bigger purpose,
4. Add a C list or B list superhero
5. Get AIM involved
6. KILL OFF SKYE.


You are so wrong, you need to

1. Kill off Skye
2. Get rid of Beef Hardcheese, or at least develop him (saying he's a one man army over and over doesn't make him one)
3. Kill off one of the nerds, doesn't matter which. With Skye there, you have three useless nerds!!! One of them can handle hacking, and machines.
4. Add a sub-plot that matters to one of the movies, something we see all season long that can be explained by Coulson or Fury to the rest of the cast in the movie in less than a minute "we got intelligence about this from our team out in the field, here's Phil to explain it"
5. Have some larger overarching enemy they are working against.
6. Replace the elderly Asian lady
7. STOP MENTIONING COULSON BEING DEAD, WE GOT IT
8. Kill off Skye
 
2013-11-02 07:13:48 PM

smilingcorpse: I haven't started the second season of arrow yet, but im pretty excited for it. It took about half a season for me to really get into that show, but it has direction from the beginning. You knew what it wanted to do and where it was going. I was never a green arrow fan, but they turned me into one. Shield needs focus. Really flesh out two characters. It shouldn't be hard to fix the show.


Agreed. And I'm loving Arrow's second season. I really had my doubts and only watched the first episode out of curiosity, expecting a trainwreck. Instead, I got sucked into to a great superhero show that knows how to execute a story arc.
 
2013-11-02 07:14:11 PM

frepnog: I forgot about you, and when I see you again it is so you can fangurl about Coulson.

Jeez.


Well, gee golly, you mean I'm in a thread about a show I watch and an actor I like and I'm putting some pictures up? How dare I. Be glad this isn't an RDJ thread, you'd be really annoyed with me.

/again, I've cosplayed as the character
//as in I own four suits because of it
 
2013-11-02 07:28:03 PM

soporific: smilingcorpse: I haven't started the second season of arrow yet, but im pretty excited for it. It took about half a season for me to really get into that show, but it has direction from the beginning. You knew what it wanted to do and where it was going. I was never a green arrow fan, but they turned me into one. Shield needs focus. Really flesh out two characters. It shouldn't be hard to fix the show.

Agreed. And I'm loving Arrow's second season. I really had my doubts and only watched the first episode out of curiosity, expecting a trainwreck. Instead, I got sucked into to a great superhero show that knows how to execute a story arc.


This is good to know, as I had written it off unfairly as "Smallville 2".
 
2013-11-02 07:42:06 PM

soporific: smilingcorpse: I haven't started the second season of arrow yet, but im pretty excited for it. It took about half a season for me to really get into that show, but it has direction from the beginning. You knew what it wanted to do and where it was going. I was never a green arrow fan, but they turned me into one. Shield needs focus. Really flesh out two characters. It shouldn't be hard to fix the show.

Agreed. And I'm loving Arrow's second season. I really had my doubts and only watched the first episode out of curiosity, expecting a trainwreck. Instead, I got sucked into to a great superhero show that knows how to execute a story arc.


The best thing is how much they've set up the present/past.  They had so much planned out from the start you're only starting to see right now.  For instance, the "inmate" with Oliver on the ship is the big time Russian mafia guy that he says he saved to the mobsters in the first season that accept him.and help him out throughout.

And I actually enjoy how they set up "proto" characters before unleashing the main.

Yao Fei or "the hood" was proto Arrow

Billy Wintergreen was proto Deathstroke (Slade Wilson)

Sarah Lance is proto Canary (Laurel)

born_yesterday: soporific: smilingcorpse: I haven't started the second season of arrow yet, but im pretty excited for it. It took about half a season for me to really get into that show, but it has direction from the beginning. You knew what it wanted to do and where it was going. I was never a green arrow fan, but they turned me into one. Shield needs focus. Really flesh out two characters. It shouldn't be hard to fix the show.

Agreed. And I'm loving Arrow's second season. I really had my doubts and only watched the first episode out of curiosity, expecting a trainwreck. Instead, I got sucked into to a great superhero show that knows how to execute a story arc.

This is good to know, as I had written it off unfairly as "Smallville 2".


It's not, at all.
 
2013-11-02 07:42:18 PM

born_yesterday: soporific: smilingcorpse: I haven't started the second season of arrow yet, but im pretty excited for it. It took about half a season for me to really get into that show, but it has direction from the beginning. You knew what it wanted to do and where it was going. I was never a green arrow fan, but they turned me into one. Shield needs focus. Really flesh out two characters. It shouldn't be hard to fix the show.

Agreed. And I'm loving Arrow's second season. I really had my doubts and only watched the first episode out of curiosity, expecting a trainwreck. Instead, I got sucked into to a great superhero show that knows how to execute a story arc.

This is good to know, as I had written it off unfairly as "Smallville 2".


Nope, so far I'm finding it better than Smallville was, and I liked Smallville with a few exceptions. The biggest difference that I'm happy about is that even though Ollie had a love interest it's not as schmaltzy and drawn out as the whole Clark/Lana bit was. Not to mention the characters have realistic flaws and aren't picture perfect the way the Kents were depicted.
 
2013-11-02 07:56:19 PM

eddievercetti: hammer85: Deathstroke has been around since season 1. Their most recent additions are brother blood, black canary, ras al ghul/league of shadows, and hints at professor ivo and amazo.

See SHIELD, there's your problem, you don't have recognizable characters!

Fark, add NEXTWAVE, Power Pack, Squirrel Girl, Union Jack yet you add Scorch who gets axed as soon as we met him.


Power Pack? NEXTWAVE? F*CK and YES.
 
2013-11-02 08:04:37 PM

eddievercetti: ArcadianRefugee: eddievercetti: 6. KILL OFF SKYE.

You there, yes you. STFU.

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Wow boobs. There's this thing called character development...

Wait, you want her boobs bigger?

No.


I was making a weak joke.
 
2013-11-02 08:13:13 PM

eddievercetti: BTW May and Simmons are hotter.


Also silly.

Fact is, EVERYONE on the show is fairly attractive. That's why American TV annoys me; their primary interest when casting seems more to be to find attractive actors* than good actors.

* there are always exceptions, I know
 
2013-11-02 08:18:48 PM

Dingleberry Dickwad: born_yesterday: soporific: smilingcorpse: I haven't started the second season of arrow yet, but im pretty excited for it. It took about half a season for me to really get into that show, but it has direction from the beginning. You knew what it wanted to do and where it was going. I was never a green arrow fan, but they turned me into one. Shield needs focus. Really flesh out two characters. It shouldn't be hard to fix the show.

Agreed. And I'm loving Arrow's second season. I really had my doubts and only watched the first episode out of curiosity, expecting a trainwreck. Instead, I got sucked into to a great superhero show that knows how to execute a story arc.

This is good to know, as I had written it off unfairly as "Smallville 2".

Nope, so far I'm finding it better than Smallville was, and I liked Smallville with a few exceptions. The biggest difference that I'm happy about is that even though Ollie had a love interest it's not as schmaltzy and drawn out as the whole Clark/Lana bit was. Not to mention the characters have realistic flaws and aren't picture perfect the way the Kents were depicted.


OHMYF*CKINGGODSOMUCHTHIS. Clark and Lana were alright during the first season of Smallville, but then it devolved into the same "will he tell her the truth?"/"I'm breaking up with Clark because he's hiding something from me" wankfest. Then it got even worse when Lana got possessed by a French witch and got magic tramp stamp. Then when you think it couldn't get more worse, she goes and starts f*cking LEX LUTHOR! That wasn't jumping the shark - it was raping the shark, killing it and eating the corpse.

Then they finally booted Lana off the show, focused more on Clark and Lois, and the show got 100x better.
 
2013-11-02 08:30:06 PM
Hey, nerds, it's a halfway decent show! Shut your yaps and watch it, it's called "entertainment"

It's all your fault that Firefly was cancelled.
 
2013-11-02 08:43:22 PM

Mr_Ectomy: Hey, nerds, it's a halfway decent show! Shut your yaps and watch it, it's called "entertainment"

It's all your fault that Firefly was cancelled.


Your definition of halfway decent needs to be re calibrated.
 
2013-11-02 08:53:01 PM
Fitz and Simmons starts explaining in sciencese.

"In English please!"

Every. Other. Episode.

I thought we were past that on genre TV. I understand trying to use layman's terms so Stupid McStupidson gets it, but I suggest stopping writing lines insulting people with brains.
 
2013-11-02 09:34:35 PM
I thought AoS was gonna suck but then I watched the pilot and got hooked.

It's silly and fun and not to be taken entirely seriously.
 
2013-11-02 09:46:10 PM

TwistedFark: Dingleberry Dickwad: TuteTibiImperes: hammer85: Dingleberry Dickwad: frepnog: Dingleberry Dickwad: Walt_Jizzney: Superman Returns was better than Thor.

That's some quality trolling right there.

It was a superior film.

If it was better at all I can almost understand someone saying the cinematography to be better, but the story, acting and entertainment value? No, just no. I'll give you that Natalie Portman just phoned things in, but Superman Returns was shiat. Piss poor casting, ridiculously stupid storyline (Luthor and real estate again? Really?), and some bad acting all around.

The only thing that worried me about Thor 2 is that NP is in it. Easily the worst part about the original which put it at the worst of phase 1 for me

I liked Portman in it.  If anything I thought Kat Dennings' character was shoehorned in.

See I liked Dennings' character more than Portman's.

Well, if you cast Kat Dennings and you put her character in huge coats the entire movie, you're wasting "two of her best attributes" as an actor...

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I'd shoehorn it.
 
2013-11-02 09:59:42 PM
It's amazing just how many people in this thread need to just not watch the show. if you're suggesting we kill or lose half the team, stop watching it.

I especially love the suggestion to get rid of Ming-Na Wen because of her age, nevermind that Clark Gregg is a year older than she is, and they're both younger than Sam Jackson.

I also love the "show needs superheroes" when this show, on its face, is not about superheroes. It's about SHIELD, which is practically the stage crew and clean up operation after the superheroes are done breaking everything. The hell logic is this?

quatchi: It's silly and fun and not to be taken entirely seriously.


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/It's a live action comic book
//and thank god it's silly, a lot of Vol4 Marvel is depressing as hell
 
2013-11-02 10:01:14 PM

Autolychus2: We're five shows in, and people are screaming about character development?


Sure, a good show can do a hell of a lot in 5 episodes. By the end of the first 5 episodes of Firefly, Breaking Bad, Homeland or even something goofy like Brooklyn Nine Nine (to single out a new show that only has 5 episodes aired), all the main characters are set up and we have a good understanding of their characters and driving motivations. I don't know dick about any character on AoS other than Skye, who's probably the least interesting.

Autolychus2: Another group of critics seem to be of the "these writers couldn't write their way out of a wet paper bag" camp. While I haven't been pleased with every plot point, character line in the series, I'm not silly enough to suggest that I could do a better job -- which is what many posters seem to be implying.


"If you couldn't do it better you shouldn't complain about it!", really? That's absurd. I'm not a professional baseball player but I can still complain when a pro gets struck out five games in a row.

Autolychus2: These same people also tend to complain about the acting ability of the actors. Generally, they point to the acting of Brett Dalton as Agent Ward, saying he's too wooden. Well, given that his character is written -- intentionally it seems -- as wooden and stoic, who would you like to model his performance after?


So you do think the writing is crap - either that or you think it's a good thing to have wooden characters.  Anyway, a good actor will have their charisma come through even in a thankless part. Look at Clark Gregg in the first Iron Man.

Autolychus2: This group's attacks on the Chloe Bennet character bother me the most though (Not because she's my favorite character, she's not.) because they seem mostly rooted in her appearance.


People criticize the character because she's supposed to be an anarchist hacker who lives in a van and who spent her childhood going from foster home to foster home, yet she looks and acts like a rich, popular and fashionable sorority sister.
 
2013-11-02 10:09:03 PM
Gunther: People criticize the character because she's supposed to be an anarchist hacker who lives in a van and who spent her childhood going from foster home to foster home, yet she looks and acts like a rich, popular and fashionable sorority sister.


Actually she speaks and acts like an intelligent cast-off who has no friends in the world.

/what the hell are sorority sisters like where you're from?!
 
2013-11-02 10:21:16 PM

Ringshadow: Actually she speaks and acts like an intelligent cast-off who has no friends in the world.


C'mon, dude; she has the best people skills on the team. She's extroverted, sociable, she always has perfect hair/makeup/clothes and by the start of the most recent episode she'd charmed all the guys on the team.  She was able to wrap that billionaire in episode 3 around her finger in two short conversations.

The idea that she's supposed to be "an intelligent cast-off who has no friends in the world" is utterly laughable.
 
2013-11-02 10:45:06 PM
Both Skye and Chuck Steakfist are mis-cast. Skye should be killed off and replaced with the female geek. Trying to turn the laboratory bound scientist into an effective field agent is a much more compelling storyline. And the actress playing the geek, Henstridge, seems more talented, at least to my mind.

And to those saying we should just not watch the show if we do not like the current cast- don't worry, it'll be cancelled soon so the haters will be out of luck. That'll show 'em!
 
2013-11-02 10:59:31 PM

Ringshadow: I especially love the suggestion to get rid of Ming-Na Wen because of her age, never mind that Clark Gregg is a year older than she is, and they're both younger than Sam Jackson


Yeah, I kinda winced at that. M-NW once she ditched the uncomfortable-with-combat-ops just-a-pilot thing and revealed her backstory as The Cavalry, started kicking ass. I've really been liking her character.

And a pox on anyone who would break up the pairing of Fitz and Simmons.

To be honest my only real eye rolling exercise so far was the whole inflatable-life-raft-that-can-seal-an-airplane-hole at 20k-ft thing.
 
2013-11-02 11:00:26 PM

ArcadianRefugee: eddievercetti: BTW May and Simmons are hotter.

Also silly.

Fact is, EVERYONE on the show is fairly attractive. That's why American TV annoys me; their primary interest when casting seems more to be to find attractive actors* than good actors.

* there are always exceptions, I know


The exceptions are the only ones worth watching.
 
2013-11-02 11:00:45 PM
Here's what it all boils down to:

Whedon and his team are great at writing snappy dialogue. They suck at writing characters. It's like the writing team sits around brainstorming witty lines and then just randomly drops them onto characters because it hardly matters who says them. They all sound like the same person. I'll keep watching the show for a while yet because it's reasonably entertaining mindlessness, but I do wish I had a reason to give a crap about the characters. Right now they could kill off any one of them (except Coulson) and it wouldn't matter much.

Compare and contrast with Sleepy Hollow, which has its own flaws, but the banter between the two leads is not one of them. The banter defines those characters, instead of wasting time merely being witty.
 
2013-11-02 11:45:21 PM

quatchi: To be honest my only real eye rolling exercise so far was the whole inflatable-life-raft-that-can-seal-an-airplane-hole at 20k-ft thing.


My dad about lost his shiat when he saw that and I was like, dude. There is a flying aircraft carrier, a flying corvette, a genius with a reactor in his chest and a god and you're bothered by this?

/personally I'm continually annoyed that the cars aren't tied down in the cargo bay so I guess I can't talk
 
2013-11-02 11:58:20 PM

Mr_Ectomy: Hey, nerds, it's a halfway decent show! Shut your yaps and watch it, it's called "entertainment"

It's all your fault that Firefly was cancelled


See, that's the problem. It's not bad, it's just not good, either. Firefly was way better. Shield needs new writers and a new cast. Coulson can stay, but in a smaller role.
 
2013-11-03 01:34:18 AM

ruta: Here's what it all boils down to:

Whedon and his team are great at writing snappy dialogue. They suck at writing characters. It's like the writing team sits around brainstorming witty lines and then just randomly drops them onto characters because it hardly matters who says them. They all sound like the same person. I'll keep watching the show for a while yet because it's reasonably entertaining mindlessness, but I do wish I had a reason to give a crap about the characters. Right now they could kill off any one of them (except Coulson) and it wouldn't matter much.


So in other words, Joss Whedon = Aaron Sorkin.
 
2013-11-03 01:39:01 AM

Thurston Howell: ruta: Here's what it all boils down to:

Whedon and his team are great at writing snappy dialogue. They suck at writing characters. It's like the writing team sits around brainstorming witty lines and then just randomly drops them onto characters because it hardly matters who says them. They all sound like the same person. I'll keep watching the show for a while yet because it's reasonably entertaining mindlessness, but I do wish I had a reason to give a crap about the characters. Right now they could kill off any one of them (except Coulson) and it wouldn't matter much.

So in other words, Joss Whedon = Aaron Sorkin.


I remember similar complains about everyone sounding the same with JMS during Babylon 5.
 
2013-11-03 01:52:00 AM

Ringshadow: It's amazing just how many people in this thread need to just not watch the show. if you're suggesting we kill or lose half the team, stop watching it.

I especially love the suggestion to get rid of Ming-Na Wen because of her age, nevermind that Clark Gregg is a year older than she is, and they're both younger than Sam Jackson.


Sam Jackson is the boss, usually the main bosses are older than the average employee. Clark Gregg is again Ming-Na Wen's boss, but that doesn't appear to be because of a vast experience she didn't have, just she wasn't ready or into that sort of thing.

However on an elite and small team (on tv) you usually have a bunch of people who are specialized in a specific area so when you run into a situation a situation you have someone on the team that can handle it.

* Let's put it this way. If Coulson "died" then Melinda May could step into that role no problem

* If Fitz or Simmons died, the other could fill that role no problem.

* If the McMuscle dude died, Melinda May could fill that role with no problem

* If Skye died Fitz or Simmons could step into her role, with the claim "well I'm not as good as Skye, god rest her a-cup boobs, but I'll give it a go"

* The only one that seems essential is Melinda May, and that's only because she can fly the plane. Let any one of the others train on that and she could die and everything she does would be taken over by Coulson and McMuscles with no problem

It's like there was no thought about the team make up. And yeah, I think it's almost unsaveable. Killing at least two of the cast and re)defining the roles of the others would be the best start.
 
2013-11-03 02:02:28 AM

pedobearapproved: Ringshadow: It's amazing just how many people in this thread need to just not watch the show. if you're suggesting we kill or lose half the team, stop watching it.

I especially love the suggestion to get rid of Ming-Na Wen because of her age, nevermind that Clark Gregg is a year older than she is, and they're both younger than Sam Jackson.

Sam Jackson is the boss, usually the main bosses are older than the average employee. Clark Gregg is again Ming-Na Wen's boss, but that doesn't appear to be because of a vast experience she didn't have, just she wasn't ready or into that sort of thing.

However on an elite and small team (on tv) you usually have a bunch of people who are specialized in a specific area so when you run into a situation a situation you have someone on the team that can handle it.

* Let's put it this way. If Coulson "died" then Melinda May could step into that role no problem

* If Fitz or Simmons died, the other could fill that role no problem.

* If the McMuscle dude died, Melinda May could fill that role with no problem

* If Skye died Fitz or Simmons could step into her role, with the claim "well I'm not as good as Skye, god rest her a-cup boobs, but I'll give it a go"

* The only one that seems essential is Melinda May, and that's only because she can fly the plane. Let any one of the others train on that and she could die and everything she does would be taken over by Coulson and McMuscles with no problem

It's like there was no thought about the team make up. And yeah, I think it's almost unsaveable. Killing at least two of the cast and re)defining the roles of the others would be the best start.


The plane flies itself, she just likes being in the cockpit.
 
2013-11-03 02:25:50 AM

pedobearapproved: It's like there was no thought about the team make up. And yeah, I think it's almost unsaveable. Killing at least two of the cast and re)defining the roles of the others would be the best start.


You could fix it without killing people off, it'd just take effort. The most obvious method would be to introduce a few new conflicts. Perhaps Simmons is revealed to be a plant Nick Fury put on the team to monitor Coulson, and she's actually a badass spy. Maybe Fitz touches some alien goop and develops superpowers. Maybe generic dude gets bitten by a radioactive David Bowie and develops an actual personality.

Skye... Skye is problematic. They've handled the character about as poorly as they possibly could. In story, there's no reason for them to keep her on the team and they'd actually have to be pretty crazy to do so - they already seem like utter idiots for trusting her the first time. It might be an idea for them to "fire" her for a few episodes and have her prove herself to them by hacking into Hydra or something. Certainly they need to decide what her actual personality traits are supposed to be and have the actress practice conveying them in her performance. Is she sociable or is she a loner? Is she super-smart or so uneducated she's confused by basic scientific terms?
 
2013-11-03 02:33:23 AM
I don't think Skye is that bad, but she needs to step into the background for some episodes, on probation.  She tipped off their quarry in the last episode, and was found in bed with him.

I *think* the teaser for the next episode may have had Simmons with tears in her eyes.  I hope she gets her turn next.
 
2013-11-03 02:42:35 AM

Autolychus2: We're five shows in, and people are screaming about character development?


Yes, because character development is what good television is all about. If we just wanted to see a lot of yelling and running and explosions, we could watch John Carter and the Transformers trilogy over and over and enjoy mindless entertainment with top-notch cinematography and effects. Characters make or break TV shows, because no matter what your premise is, budget constraints dictate that the majority of screen time will be filled with nothing but people talking to one another. If those people are interesting and they're saying interesting things, you've got a hit. If they're not interesting, your audience will quickly abandon you.

Keep in mind, the big draw for the show is Coulson, a character who was quickly established as a compelling personality in just a few movie cameos and DVD special features, and his return from the dead was the big mystery that brought in the viewers. Prior character development is the entire reason why the show is enjoying the success it's had so far, and audiences are perfectly justified in expecting a comparable level of character development to factor into AoS. You may be getting your nerdgasms just seeing the Marvel logo appear every week, but us regular people want to see it followed by some substance. Brand names can't save an inferior product, and if an expensive venture like AoS is going to continue, it needs to find its legs and fast.
 
2013-11-03 07:35:15 AM
The problem with Agents of Shield is that it doesn't feel like SHIELD. SHIELD isn't going to send out a massive cargo plane with 5 people on board, that plane should have a platoon size detachment of agents. First off, you need more than one pilot. You'll need a crew for the plane of 5 or 6 at least. And since the better model of crew would be Air Force One(lots of comm officers and redundancy), your looking at 20+ people.

Then you have a team of 5 agents+a tactical team+science team.

There should be 50-70 people on that plane. That would feel more SHIELDish. This feels more like the Junior Shield Jamboree.
 
2013-11-03 08:14:31 AM

Publikwerks: The problem with Agents of Shield is that it doesn't feel like SHIELD. SHIELD isn't going to send out a massive cargo plane with 5 people on board, that plane should have a platoon size detachment of agents. First off, you need more than one pilot. You'll need a crew for the plane of 5 or 6 at least. And since the better model of crew would be Air Force One(lots of comm officers and redundancy), your looking at 20+ people.

Then you have a team of 5 agents+a tactical team+science team.

There should be 50-70 people on that plane. That would feel more SHIELDish. This feels more like the Junior Shield Jamboree.


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Casting and actors are expensive, you know
 
2013-11-03 08:53:51 AM
And in April or May it more than likely it will feature some people fom Captain America.  That's kinda the whole point of this show.  Everyone says that "Coulson ties the movies together" and he still is.
 
2013-11-03 09:11:20 AM

HawgWild: People are excited to see the next Thor movie? The only movie worse than the last Thor movie was the Captain America movie. Ugh. Couldn't even make it through that one.

/I know, I know
//"stop liking what I don't like"


Everything about Asgard worked, almost nothing on Earth did.  The romance was rushed, the supporting cast annoying, and Thor went from unbelievably arrongant to humble selfless in something like three days.  The second one looks like lots more fun and hopefully better directed.

Captain America should have sucked (like the original Chris Reeve Superman) but it doesn't.  Supposedly Joss touched up the script and they did some resoots along those lines or something like that.  Diodn't think he had it in him, but Evans pulls it off.  I'm liking that in Avengers they followed up with Cap being just completely lost, both as Cap and as Steve Rogers.  Loki brought back Cap (like Stark said, not a great plan), but this next one looks to have Widow working on bringing back Steve... who still makes bitter jokes about how all his old friends are dead and hides in his work to avoid dealing with the grief of losing Peggy.  And that scene where Cap jumps out of the quin jet at about four hundred feet makes it clear that Cap has been a regular shield operative since New York, considering he knows "Kristen in Statisics."  Can't wait.
 
2013-11-03 09:25:00 AM

Alphax: I don't think Skye is that bad, but she needs to step into the background for some episodes, on probation.  She tipped off their quarry in the last episode, and was found in bed with him.

I *think* the teaser for the next episode may have had Simmons with tears in her eyes.  I hope she gets her turn next.


Simmons isn't only crying, it looks like she's about to jump to her death, AND her eyes seem unannaturally red, like she's infected with something.  Skye is generic, although count me among the few that actually likes the emo-foster kid angle on her, because her reaction to finding a place like shield where it could be a surrogate family is actually very real.  Ward is cardboard cutout- a good friend who loves the show even described him as "boring as shiat." He also though Fitz and Simmons were siblings, which is a very real problem when someone that went to every Marvel movie in theater twice and has watched every ep doesn't know that two of the main characters aren't n fact related.

Coulson and Chen are what is carrying the show for me.

Publikwerks: The problem with Agents of Shield is that it doesn't feel like SHIELD. SHIELD isn't going to send out a massive cargo plane with 5 people on board, that plane should have a platoon size detachment of agents. First off, you need more than one pilot. You'll need a crew for the plane of 5 or 6 at least. And since the better model of crew would be Air Force One(lots of comm officers and redundancy), your looking at 20+ people.

Then you have a team of 5 agents+a tactical team+science team.

There should be 50-70 people on that plane. That would feel more SHIELDish. This feels more like the Junior Shield Jamboree.


Not necessarily.  SHIELD is an espionage agency with military capability, not the other way around(at least how it's supposed to be, next Cap movie looks to find that flipped)....  Which is this shows single largest problem.

There is NO dramatic tension at all.  There's no twists, no turns, no backtabbing, and everybody on that plane ultimately can trust everybody else on that plane with there lives.  If you're gonna have a show about spys, it would help to have them, ya know, SPYING.  But the tone so far has been lifted directly from The Avengers, but with no Avengers around this Scooby gang just doesn't cut it.
 
2013-11-03 09:38:51 AM

hammer85: soporific: smilingcorpse: I haven't started the second season of arrow yet, but im pretty excited for it. It took about half a season for me to really get into that show, but it has direction from the beginning. You knew what it wanted to do and where it was going. I was never a green arrow fan, but they turned me into one. Shield needs focus. Really flesh out two characters. It shouldn't be hard to fix the show.

Agreed. And I'm loving Arrow's second season. I really had my doubts and only watched the first episode out of curiosity, expecting a trainwreck. Instead, I got sucked into to a great superhero show that knows how to execute a story arc.

The best thing is how much they've set up the present/past.  They had so much planned out from the start you're only starting to see right now.  For instance, the "inmate" with Oliver on the ship is the big time Russian mafia guy that he says he saved to the mobsters in the first season that accept him.and help him out throughout.

And I actually enjoy how they set up "proto" characters before unleashing the main.

Yao Fei or "the hood" was proto Arrow

Billy Wintergreen was proto Deathstroke (Slade Wilson)

Sarah Lance is proto Canary (Laurel)

born_yesterday: soporific: smilingcorpse: I haven't started the second season of arrow yet, but im pretty excited for it. It took about half a season for me to really get into that show, but it has direction from the beginning. You knew what it wanted to do and where it was going. I was never a green arrow fan, but they turned me into one. Shield needs focus. Really flesh out two characters. It shouldn't be hard to fix the show.

Agreed. And I'm loving Arrow's second season. I really had my doubts and only watched the first episode out of curiosity, expecting a trainwreck. Instead, I got sucked into to a great superhero show that knows how to execute a story arc.

This is good to know, as I had written it off unfairly as "Smallville 2".

It's not, at all.


No, no it really isn't.  Other that the stuff with Huntress(the actress AND the stuff they had her do), the show has been consistantly well executed.  Have to admit I did not see the Sarah Lance angle, I thought when they name-dropped Ras that she was going to turn out to be Talia.  But, no, now "Laurel"(hate that) gets to make up with her sis before sis probably getts offed for realsies.  Was really cool to see GA and BC on screen kicking ass.  And anybody else noticed that the League of Assassin's dress just like Merlin?
 
2013-11-03 11:51:57 AM

hammer85: Autolychus2: I want actors who can, y'know, ACT with their words and facial features and gestures; Not their boobs.

Skye is a terrible character. Chloe Wang Bennet is a terrible actress. It doesn't matter how much sex appeal they try to wedge into the show, it's still agonizing listening to her speak.

She reminds me of Eliza Dushku, in delivery of her lines and even in her appearance to a degree.

My complaints about Skye is just that she isn't a believable character and her entire backstory conflicts with everything she is.

It's that she dresses like a supermodel when she says she's poor and not materialistic.

No one said she was poor, just that she was living in her van on purpose. And, other than the pink dress, which might or might not have been hers, she dresses in everyday clothes.

It's that shield is apparently a secret organization ...

S.H.I.E.L.D. is not, nor has it ever been a secret organization any more that the C.I. A. is a secret organization. It, like the C.I.A. and N.S.A. is an organization with secrets, a espionage organization.

When her bf specifically says he took 3 million dollars so they can stop living in a crappy apartment and in a van, that pretty much says that they're poor.


First off, it was one million dollars. And he never said it was so she could stop living in a van. In fact she said the only reason she lived in the van was to get close to SHIELD.
 
2013-11-03 12:25:06 PM

Mentat: Thor was my favorite of the Phase 1 movies. I am pleased that we'll get more Sif in Thor 2. I admire her fighting technique.


rumor is that she is in talks with WB/DC to play Wonder Woman. She hinted at it at the Comikaze con and then on twitter she helped the buzz out a bit also.
She did confirm a Thor 3 in the pipeline already and I'm guessing that they don't have her in any kind of an exclusive contract. So she should be able to do both her stuff for Thor 3 and a cameo in the MoS sequel. Then get her own solo film after that.
 
2013-11-03 12:29:45 PM

Jarhead_h: And anybody else noticed that the League of Assassin's dress just like Merlin?


Merlyn pretty much reveals that it was Ra's who trained him and put him up to doing what he did in the first season.
he was basically doing what Ra's wanted Wayne to do in Batman Begins.
 
2013-11-03 12:35:48 PM

Jarhead_h: hammer85: soporific: smilingcorpse: I haven't started the second season of arrow yet, but im pretty excited for it. It took about half a season for me to really get into that show, but it has direction from the beginning. You knew what it wanted to do and where it was going. I was never a green arrow fan, but they turned me into one. Shield needs focus. Really flesh out two characters. It shouldn't be hard to fix the show.

Agreed. And I'm loving Arrow's second season. I really had my doubts and only watched the first episode out of curiosity, expecting a trainwreck. Instead, I got sucked into to a great superhero show that knows how to execute a story arc.

The best thing is how much they've set up the present/past.  They had so much planned out from the start you're only starting to see right now.  For instance, the "inmate" with Oliver on the ship is the big time Russian mafia guy that he says he saved to the mobsters in the first season that accept him.and help him out throughout.

And I actually enjoy how they set up "proto" characters before unleashing the main.

Yao Fei or "the hood" was proto Arrow

Billy Wintergreen was proto Deathstroke (Slade Wilson)

Sarah Lance is proto Canary (Laurel)

born_yesterday: soporific: smilingcorpse: I haven't started the second season of arrow yet, but im pretty excited for it. It took about half a season for me to really get into that show, but it has direction from the beginning. You knew what it wanted to do and where it was going. I was never a green arrow fan, but they turned me into one. Shield needs focus. Really flesh out two characters. It shouldn't be hard to fix the show.

Agreed. And I'm loving Arrow's second season. I really had my doubts and only watched the first episode out of curiosity, expecting a trainwreck. Instead, I got sucked into to a great superhero show that knows how to execute a story arc.

This is good to know, as I had written it off unfairly as "Smallville 2".

It's not, at all.

No, no it real ...


Merlin gives the speech to Tommy that he went to Nanda Parbat  for training. Nanda Parbat has been Ras Al'Gul's "vacation home" many times over the years.
 
2013-11-03 12:47:03 PM

Gunther: Autolychus2: We're five shows in, and people are screaming about character development?

Sure, a good show can do a hell of a lot in 5 episodes. By the end of the first 5 episodes of Firefly, Breaking Bad, Homeland or even something goofy like Brooklyn Nine Nine (to single out a new show that only has 5 episodes aired), all the main characters are set up and we have a good understanding of their characters and driving motivations. I don't know dick about any character on AoS other than Skye, who's probably the least interesting.

Autolychus2: Another group of critics seem to be of the "these writers couldn't write their way out of a wet paper bag" camp. While I haven't been pleased with every plot point, character line in the series, I'm not silly enough to suggest that I could do a better job -- which is what many posters seem to be implying.

"If you couldn't do it better you shouldn't complain about it!", really? That's absurd. I'm not a professional baseball player but I can still complain when a pro gets struck out five games in a row.

Autolychus2: These same people also tend to complain about the acting ability of the actors. Generally, they point to the acting of Brett Dalton as Agent Ward, saying he's too wooden. Well, given that his character is written -- intentionally it seems -- as wooden and stoic, who would you like to model his performance after?

So you do think the writing is crap - either that or you think it's a good thing to have wooden characters.  Anyway, a good actor will have their charisma come through even in a thankless part. Look at Clark Gregg in the first Iron Man.

Autolychus2: This group's attacks on the Chloe Bennet character bother me the most though (Not because she's my favorite character, she's not.) because they seem mostly rooted in her appearance.

People criticize the character because she's supposed to be an anarchist hacker who lives in a van and who spent her childhood going from foster home to foster home, yet she looks ...


1. Yes. If a batter strikes out five games in a row you shouldn't complain. One strike out per game is common over a five-game stretch. If you're talking about 20-30 strikeouts in a row, well that's nearly impossible for any major league player even a pitcher, but if that's your argument. Then no, you'd still have no reason to complain. Hitting a baseball is recognized as the hardest thing to do in sports. And that major league player is infinitely better at hitting a ball than you would be. Complaining that someone didn't hit the ball isn't the same as being disappointed that he didn't hit it. If David Ortiz (for example) goes hitless in a game I'm disappointed but I'm not mad that he did.
2. No. I don't think the writing sucks (the exact opposite) I said he was written to be a stoic, wooden person. I even gave an example which you conveniently left out. So just stop.
3. So, you admit, you're only complaint is that she's a beautiful woman who bathes regularly. Thanks for making my point for me.
 
2013-11-03 02:04:53 PM

ruta: Here's what it all boils down to:

Whedon and his team are great at writing snappy dialogue. They suck at writing characters. It's like the writing team sits around brainstorming witty lines and then just randomly drops them onto characters because it hardly matters who says them. They all sound like the same person. I'll keep watching the show for a while yet because it's reasonably entertaining mindlessness, but I do wish I had a reason to give a crap about the characters. Right now they could kill off any one of them (except Coulson) and it wouldn't matter much.

Compare and contrast with Sleepy Hollow, which has its own flaws, but the banter between the two leads is not one of them. The banter defines those characters, instead of wasting time merely being witty.


Well, a few things -

Whedon is great at writing characters.  Buffy, Angel, Firefly, Dollhouse, all had characters with distinct personalities, motivations, speaking styles, etc.  Joss isn't writing AoS, he may be doing some script doctoring, but he's not the lead writer nor the director.  His brother Jed and his brother's wife Maurissa Tancharoen are the lead writers, but even then they haven't written everything.

In the five episodes so far there have been five different directors and three different sets of writers.  Joss has a writing and directing credit for the pilot, Jed and Maurissa wrote the next two, and the last two and next three have all been from different writers.
 
2013-11-03 02:41:07 PM

Publikwerks: The problem with Agents of Shield is that it doesn't feel like SHIELD. SHIELD isn't going to send out a massive cargo plane with 5 people on board, that plane should have a platoon size detachment of agents. First off, you need more than one pilot. You'll need a crew for the plane of 5 or 6 at least. And since the better model of crew would be Air Force One(lots of comm officers and redundancy), your looking at 20+ people.

Then you have a team of 5 agents+a tactical team+science team.

There should be 50-70 people on that plane. That would feel more SHIELDish. This feels more like the Junior Shield Jamboree.


I don't think they can do a 50-70 people team, but for God's sake the show is called SHIELD yet no one wears a damn SHIELD uniform.

If the show had people in costume it'd already be more palatable. This is just a blatant cashgrab.
 
2013-11-03 02:45:06 PM

Jarhead_h: hammer85: soporific: smilingcorpse: I haven't started the second season of arrow yet, but im pretty excited for it. It took about half a season for me to really get into that show, but it has direction from the beginning. You knew what it wanted to do and where it was going. I was never a green arrow fan, but they turned me into one. Shield needs focus. Really flesh out two characters. It shouldn't be hard to fix the show.

Agreed. And I'm loving Arrow's second season. I really had my doubts and only watched the first episode out of curiosity, expecting a trainwreck. Instead, I got sucked into to a great superhero show that knows how to execute a story arc.

The best thing is how much they've set up the present/past.  They had so much planned out from the start you're only starting to see right now.  For instance, the "inmate" with Oliver on the ship is the big time Russian mafia guy that he says he saved to the mobsters in the first season that accept him.and help him out throughout.

And I actually enjoy how they set up "proto" characters before unleashing the main.

Yao Fei or "the hood" was proto Arrow

Billy Wintergreen was proto Deathstroke (Slade Wilson)

Sarah Lance is proto Canary (Laurel)

born_yesterday: soporific: smilingcorpse: I haven't started the second season of arrow yet, but im pretty excited for it. It took about half a season for me to really get into that show, but it has direction from the beginning. You knew what it wanted to do and where it was going. I was never a green arrow fan, but they turned me into one. Shield needs focus. Really flesh out two characters. It shouldn't be hard to fix the show.

Agreed. And I'm loving Arrow's second season. I really had my doubts and only watched the first episode out of curiosity, expecting a trainwreck. Instead, I got sucked into to a great superhero show that knows how to execute a story arc.

This is good to know, as I had written it off unfairly as "Smallville 2".

It's not, at all.

No, no it really isn't.  Other that the stuff with Huntress(the actress AND the stuff they had her do), the show has been consistantly well executed.  Have to admit I did not see the Sarah Lance angle, I thought when they name-dropped Ras that she was going to turn out to be Talia.  But, no, now "Laurel"(hate that) gets to make up with her sis before sis probably getts offed for realsies.  Was really cool to see GA and BC on screen kicking ass.  And anybody else noticed that the League of Assassin's dress just like Merlin?


Not surprising, Merlyn specifically said he trained at the place the LoS is (namdu pradt or whatever it's spelled)
 
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