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2013-11-01 04:50:31 PM
THANKS OBAMA!
 
2013-11-01 04:55:54 PM
To be fair, I didn't know.
 
2013-11-01 04:57:08 PM
A green behind a paywall?
 
2013-11-01 06:15:13 PM
This is one of the things they're supposed to do.

And soon they'll do the stories on how to cook the turkey so you don't poison yourself and/or how to not burn your neighbourhood down if you want to deep fry it.

It's all good, and I count on a lot of the reminders.
 
2013-11-01 06:28:44 PM
FTFA: "There are those, however, who prefer standard time. They insist they feel "off" after DST kicks in and never regain full well-being until the clock rights itself"

This part of the article is usually accompanied by the story of some midwest farmer who has refused to change times for the past 75 years. In the story there will be the requisite "get off my lawn clock" admonishment from the farmer.

Maybe they couldn't find an actual farmer this year.
 
2013-11-01 06:31:52 PM
Of course here in Arizona the story is always about NOT participating in Daylight Savings Time (except on the Navajo Nation).
 
2013-11-01 06:32:04 PM
And yet there is so much wrong with the article.

daylight saving time

Daylight-saving time.

standard time, after all, which is natural, unlike DST

Since both are social constructs, neither is "natural" you twat.

Not to mention that, since DST is now some 8-months long, "standard time" -- at only 4 months -- is no longer the standard.

A California Energy Commission report maintains that little -- if any -- energy benefit is actually attained when we switch to DST.

And numerous prior studies have shown that it does have a measurable benefit. What they have also shown is that while switching to DST gains a benefit, switching back to standard time is a wash -- there is no benefit to switching back, other than "people are used to it" and questionable concerns over after-school / after-work safety.
 
2013-11-01 06:32:38 PM
Well, at least let's make the thread more entertaining.
 
2013-11-01 06:33:22 PM
DST is stupid, and not particularly needful anymore.  Should be eliminated entirely imo.
 
2013-11-01 06:34:15 PM
If you haven't read the original Ben Franklin letter every article of this type mentions, it's worth it. It's several pages of snarky, sarcastic jibes at the French.

"Your readers, who with me have never seen any signs of sunshine before noon, and seldom regard the astronomical part of the almanac, will be as much astonished as I was, when they hear of [the sun's] rising so early; and especially when I assure them, that he gives light as soon as he rises."
 
2013-11-01 06:35:36 PM

TheGreenMonkey: DST is stupid, and not particularly needful anymore.  Should be eliminated entirely imo.


Let me clarify a bit;  Pick one, call it 'standard' and be done with it.  No real need to switch between the two.

/could even call it Happy-Fun Time
 
2013-11-01 06:36:46 PM
Are there Christmas Peeps?
 
2013-11-01 06:37:13 PM
Is this where pussies whine that the one-hour time change throws them off?
 
2013-11-01 06:43:38 PM
"Media filler stories so predictable you can set your watch by them"

I see what you did there.
 
2013-11-01 06:46:20 PM

R.A.Danny: A green behind a paywall?


Dunno. I just got a popup that tried to load forever so I couldn't even get that far.
 
2013-11-01 06:46:24 PM
5 remaining views. DNRTFA.
 
2013-11-01 06:50:47 PM

ArcadianRefugee: And numerous prior studies have shown that it does have a measurable benefit.


Not for California.  The vast majority of Californians do not experience snow, or significantly cold weather.  Los Angeles is just North of Phoenix that doesn't use DST because it would have the reverse effect (need more AC with more daylight hours),  San Francisco is temperate all year, with cold weather mitigated by the ocean.

I think California should exclude itself like AZ did, but it might be more hassle than it's worth if the rest of the country doesn't follow suit.
 
2013-11-01 06:50:50 PM
Somebody should write a book about this.
 
2013-11-01 06:51:52 PM

bingethinker: Is this where pussies whine that the one-hour time change throws them off?



This is where practical people point out that changing the time twice a year is completely ridiculous and without merit.
 
2013-11-01 06:53:17 PM

bingethinker: Is this where pussies whine that the one-hour time change throws them off?


No, that would be TFA.
 
2013-11-01 06:54:38 PM

Jeng: This is where practical people point out that changing the time twice a year is completely ridiculous and without merit.


Agree, but I would take it a step further.  I think, with the global economy, we should move to one time zone and just adjust.

...and that time zone should be PST!  Because, screw you!
 
2013-11-01 07:05:20 PM
DirectTV always farks me over during this.
 
2013-11-01 07:08:26 PM

eddievercetti: DirectTV always farks me over during this.


Eh?  Do they charge you for the extra hour of service?
 
2013-11-01 07:13:19 PM

R.A.Danny: A green behind a paywall?


This
 
2013-11-01 07:16:04 PM

haemaker: eddievercetti: DirectTV always farks me over during this.

Eh?  Do they charge you for the extra hour of service?


I used to love the extra hour of OT when I worked nights. Even better was the full 12 hours of pay in the spring for only 11hrs of work.
 
2013-11-01 07:21:20 PM
This is interesting...

http://boardingarea.com/onemileatatime/2013/10/25/amtrak-deal-time-c ha nges/

Amtrak will stop for an hour to wait for time to catch up.
 
2013-11-01 07:25:44 PM
img.fark.net
 
2013-11-01 07:26:57 PM

haemaker: ArcadianRefugee: And numerous prior studies have shown that it does have a measurable benefit.

Not for California.  The vast majority of Californians do not experience snow, or significantly cold weather.  Los Angeles is just North of Phoenix that doesn't use DST because it would have the reverse effect (need more AC with more daylight hours),  San Francisco is temperate all year, with cold weather mitigated by the ocean.

I think California should exclude itself like AZ did, but it might be more hassle than it's worth if the rest of the country doesn't follow suit.


Uh, I live in Northern California near the Klamath River on the Oregon Border and it gets butt-cold with plenty of snow up here. California doesn't end at the SF County line. (Damned southerners)
 
2013-11-01 07:33:15 PM

kidakita: haemaker: ArcadianRefugee: And numerous prior studies have shown that it does have a measurable benefit.

Not for California.  The vast majority of Californians do not experience snow, or significantly cold weather.  Los Angeles is just North of Phoenix that doesn't use DST because it would have the reverse effect (need more AC with more daylight hours),  San Francisco is temperate all year, with cold weather mitigated by the ocean.

I think California should exclude itself like AZ did, but it might be more hassle than it's worth if the rest of the country doesn't follow suit.

Uh, I live in Northern California near the Klamath River on the Oregon Border and it gets butt-cold with plenty of snow up here. California doesn't end at the SF County line. (Damned southerners)


...but the population drops ofprecipitously. Hence... vast majority.
 
2013-11-01 07:37:35 PM

haemaker: This is interesting...

http://boardingarea.com/onemileatatime/2013/10/25/amtrak-deal-time-c ha nges/

Amtrak will stop for an hour to wait for time to catch up.


Who would notice?
 
2013-11-01 07:39:46 PM

simplicimus: haemaker: This is interesting...

http://boardingarea.com/onemileatatime/2013/10/25/amtrak-deal-time-c ha nges/

Amtrak will stop for an hour to wait for time to catch up.

Who would notice?


My city hasn't had Amtrak since 1979.
 
2013-11-01 07:41:22 PM

simplicimus: haemaker: This is interesting...

http://boardingarea.com/onemileatatime/2013/10/25/amtrak-deal-time-c ha nges/

Amtrak will stop for an hour to wait for time to catch up.

Who would notice?


I find it interesting how each industry has to account for the change.  Flight just land early, and you can make connections you wouldn't be able to make any other day...

Hmmm, this Sunday, there will be two 1ams, I wonder how airlines account for flights that leave at that time.
 
2013-11-01 08:33:40 PM
standard time should be ended.  keep the summer the way it is and add an hour in the winter instead of taking it away.  dark in the morning is fine, pitch black at 430pm is crap
 
2013-11-01 08:38:07 PM
Let's just all go to GMT.
 
2013-11-01 08:43:33 PM

simplicimus: Let's just all go to GMT.


UST would be better
 
2013-11-01 08:44:27 PM

George Babbitt: simplicimus: Let's just all go to GMT.

UST would be better


forgot to add:

/troll
//smile
///lulz
 
2013-11-01 08:59:11 PM
You're all educated stupid...


It's misnamed in any case. It's DAYLIGHT SHIFTING TIME.

It doesn't 'save' a single farking second. Yesterday had 1,440 minutes in it, today has 1,440 minutes in it, and tomorrow will have 1,440 minutes in it.
 
2013-11-01 09:09:21 PM

haemaker: ArcadianRefugee: And numerous prior studies have shown that it does have a measurable benefit.

Not for California.  The vast majority of Californians do not experience snow, or significantly cold weather.


Perhaps, but then it should be "A California Energy Commission report maintains that little -- if any -- energy benefit is actually attained when weCalifornia switches to DST," since this is a Newsday (New York) article where snow is known far and wide.

If Cali wants to stop, let 'em. But the other studies have shown that it is effective.

"Standard time" should really be the thing eliminated, not saving time (for the reasons noted above). For instance, a 2008 report to Congress by the Department of Energy which showed that total electricity savings from the extended daylight saving period amounted to 1.3 terawatt-hours, or 0.03 percent of electricity consumption over the year. While only a small savings percentage-wise, that's enough to power about 122,000 average U.S. homes for a year.

By the way: A 2008 Department of Energy study estimated that DST saves California about 1 percent of its energy bill daily.
 
2013-11-01 09:21:47 PM
More:

When DST was extended an extra month in 2007, the California Energy Commission studied the impact of the extension. "Formally, weather- and lighting-corrected savings from DST were estimated at 0.18%."
[Source: Link]

Notice I said "of the extension". The extension would generate a savings of 0.18%.

A 2001 study by the same agency determined that DST prior to the extension -- right after a previous extension making DST from late October to early April -- determined that the effect of that extension would be a reduction of California's peak electric demand by an average of 1100 MW, or just over 3 percent. Total daily electricity consumption would drop about 3400 MWh or 0.5 percent.
 
2013-11-01 09:46:46 PM
Won't anyone think of the children?  Who are standing in the cold and dark and wild wolves and bears, shivering and waiting for the morning school bus?
 
2013-11-01 09:52:59 PM
It was tough to read behind the blue fog which for some reason descended over the article, but if I understood correctly we only have a little more than two days before a government-mandated hole is torn in space-time. I guess it's time to fire up the orgy siren.
 
2013-11-01 09:58:02 PM

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: Are there Christmas Peeps?


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I think you already knew that answer.
There are also Halloween Cadbury Creme Eggs
 
2013-11-01 10:08:34 PM
Can we just end it because it farks with electronics that don't expect it, which is damn good amount?
 
2013-11-01 10:29:37 PM

ArcadianRefugee: 8-months long


8 months long
 
2013-11-01 10:34:49 PM

Archie Goodwin: You're all educated stupid...


It's misnamed in any case. It's DAYLIGHT SHIFTING TIME.

It doesn't 'save' a single farking second. Yesterday had 1,440 minutes in it, today has 1,440 minutes in it, and tomorrow will have 1,440 minutes in it.


Uhm, it was never called a time saver; it's a daylight saver. Hence, daylight-saving time -- the time for saving daylight.

/i know it doesnt do that either
 
2013-11-01 10:36:56 PM

HideMonkey: ArcadianRefugee: 8-months long

8 months long


Damn. I hate when I combine two thoughts and mengle my Anglish.

/thx
 
2013-11-01 11:42:54 PM
why can't we just fall back, and forget about springing forward? The loss of an hour in the spring is the tough one. Getting an extra hour in the fall is easy.
 
2013-11-01 11:45:16 PM

haemaker: (need more AC with more daylight hours)


The daylight hours don't change. There are only so many to go around.
 
2013-11-02 05:27:20 AM
I just realized, with a sort of wistful feeling, that I no longer own any time keeping device that requires me to reset it for DST.
 
2013-11-02 08:52:30 AM

jso2897: I just realized, with a sort of wistful feeling, that I no longer own any time keeping device that requires me to reset it for DST.


Got rid of that iPhone?
 
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