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(Politico)   Politico finally wakes up and realizes that years of constant sabotage by Republicans might have actually contributed to Obamacare's rocky rollout   (politico.com) divider line 37
    More: Obvious, obamacare, Republicans, Health and Human Services Department, Frank Pallone, health law, factual basis, 36th state  
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2013-11-01 05:33:23 PM  
8 votes:

Gyrfalcon: Cletus C.: If Republicans were truly out to undermine the ACA they would have tried to kill it through legislation, legal action or run a presidential candidate who promised to kill it.

So, this is obviously more left-wing propaganda.

You mean like they did?


Oh come on. I'm not that bad.

I saw my father lose his job, start his own business with no health coverage and suffer an illness that racked up hundreds of thousands in medical bills. I saw the stress of those bills exacerbate his medical problems and I watched him die.

A proud, successful man most of his life and a health care system in this country that left him behind. A disgrace. I knew that farked up system needed fixing but I saw politicians screeching about "socialized medicine" every time attempts were made. And I saw special interests step up to kill every attempt to fix it.

It should never have been that way with my father and wouldn't have been if the ACA were in effect when he was alive. So, I will poke fun at the failures with healthcare.gov and challenge the blindly faithful when they defend any and all flaws, but I will not, ever, criticize the good intentions of the ACA. Those are good, patriotic and necessary. And I will not, ever, root for its failure.

This message has been brought to you by me. Don't ever make me act this way again.
2013-11-01 05:28:22 PM  
5 votes:

havocmike: Listen, I'm not sure how to break this to you guys, but most Americans really don't care about the site's problems. Sure they're upset/celebrating it depending on their leanings, but the real story here is the increase in rates for just about everyone else.


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2013-11-01 10:17:04 PM  
4 votes:
Okay. I'll try to lay this out as even-handedly as I can. Will you listen? Will you put aside the partisan derp, for a few moments? Okay.

First, today I learned Cletus C. is a human being. In all the years I've been Farking... I'm not sure I've seen a post like that, not even during Weaver's slow transformation. So... thank you for reminding me that no matter what our partisan differences, if we're patriots and are willing to think, even if we're deeply divided by politics, and even if we disagree on almost anything, we can agree on some things.

Second, the administration has to answer some questions about Healthcare.gov. Secretary Sebelius and President Obama need to answer for what's happened. Now, they've both said that they're willing to take responsibility, and considering their past actions I'm willing to accept that. But it actually has to admit responsibility.

Third, while the administration bears responsibility and needs to answer for the failures at healthcare.gov, we need to keep perspective.Few government programs have a perfect initial rollout. Can you name a government program that has been perfect the first time out? There's a reason we turn to government when other approaches fail; I know some of Fark's more socialist Farkers will disagree, but the default position, I think, should generally be to employ the free market when we can. In this case, the free market as it has been failed us. Medicare Part D had a bad rollout; Social Security had an imperfect rollout; Medicare was seriously threatened in its first decade; the Earned Income Tax Credit is still dealing with issues. Remember, we passed the Affordable Care Act because the market was broken. I have always maintained that the ACA was not my first choice, that single-payer or a public option have always been demonstrably more efficient... but by God the health care market was broken and the country needed help.

Fourth, you don't have to excuse the administration to identify where Republicans have failed to be patriots. Republican governors refused to expand Medicaid specifically to harm Democrats and the poor. They refused to set up state exchanges specifically to harm Democrats and the poor. In my own state, it was only the governor's decision to stop being a useless farktard for a moment and override the state senate that allowed my state to set up an exchange... an exchange which was working just fine within a week and a half of the start of the sign-up period. Republicans have refused to allow Democrats to even bring to a vote a bill to fix a provision in the law that unintentionally have harmed pastors across the country - despite that it is harming people in God's work - for no other reason than it hates Obama. So don't tell me Republicans don't bear a lot of responsibility for this. Democrats might have reached, and failed, but Republicans are actively trying to make it fail by hurting anyone they can. There is no equivalency here. No "both sides are the same." They are actively trying to do evil.

Fifth, for all that the ACA was our last hope, the authors had the foresight (rare in our modern government, so this is no small praise) to know that the initial rollout would be bumpy. So now we have five whole months to sign up for health insurance before we no longer get our tax benefit. Five whole months. There are many people who have gotten married in less time, and people are giving the government crap for not getting everything completely fixed in less than a third of the available time? Relax.

I'll thank President Obama, the non-useless Democrats in Congress, and the Heritage Foundation (much to their chagrin) for making it possible for me to be insured when two years ago (despite having only the mildest of pre-existing conditions) I couldn't buy insurance. I'll thank them for helping my Tea Party-loving uncle stop pretending to be part of a union (the worst thing possible for a life-long Republican) and get insurance on the exchanges for his family. Things don't have to be perfect or even to start off on the right foot to be good. So take off your partisan blinders for a second and celebrate the fact that despite failure - failure which must be answered - we are trying to fix our broken health system.
2013-11-01 04:15:55 PM  
4 votes:
Meh. Try to be a be-all source for so many states that refuse to cooperate, combined with typical government level BS is bound to be crappy out the door. It's just so obvious the way it's being attacked when shiat like this happens ALL the time.

Medicare Part D? Nope. Don't remember. Military procurement? Nope. Don't remember. Iraq billing system? Nope. Don't remember.

Something involving Obama? IT'S A shiatASTROPHE!!!!
2013-11-01 04:10:11 PM  
4 votes:
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2013-11-01 06:03:22 PM  
3 votes:
Anyone else find it funny that Republicans complain loudest about helping others, but their various forms of obstructionism just hurt them more? They're slapping each other in the head saying it's Obama's fault, and everyone else laughs because we find ways to rise above the derp and still succeed. "Obamah took mah insurance!" Okay, well enjoy not having it, not doing anything to get it, continuing to play the blame game when you get hurt, and watching others thrive.

Best example of that idiocy? "We shouldn't be helping those hippies that didn't get away from that hurricane! Please help me get my cows out of the snow!"
2013-11-01 05:21:46 PM  
3 votes:

Serious Black: I can sure tell you one thing: if the law still crashed and burned like it has so far, there would be no way to blame the Republican Party for deliberately sabotaging the law, and that law would almost certainly be repealed by the end of 2015.


"crashed and burned" hyperbole much?

You can still sign up by phone and by appointment and the state sites in general have been working fine. California the most populous state in the nation site is doing fine.

Do you think every other federal program "crashed and burned" when the government had no web site for service and you had to call in or go to a building. Medicare didn't have a website, Social Security had no website. Did they "crash and burn" too because their website was non-existent which is much much worse then the shape of the federal exchange site now.
2013-11-01 05:15:31 PM  
3 votes:

Zeb Hesselgresser: damn republicans, you screw up all our brilliant ideas


Would it have been perfectly implemented in a hypothetical world where nobody took a case all the way to the Supreme Court to decide the individual shared responsibility payment was constitutional and part of the Medicaid expansion was unconstitutional? I don't know.

Would it have been perfectly implemented in a hypothetical world where all Republican governors accepted money from the federal government to expand Medicaid and formed their own exchanges? I don't know.

Would it have been perfectly implemented in a hypothetical world where Congress gave HHS the money they requested to implement the law? I don't know.

Would it have been perfectly implemented in a hypothetical world where Republicans didn't threaten groups of people from advertising the benefits of the new law and getting insured for next year? I don't know.

Would it have been perfectly implemented in a hypothetical world where conservative organizations didn't explicitly try to incite young Americans to become martyrs for their cause by not buying health insurance starting next year? I don't know.

Would it have been perfectly implemented in a hypothetical world where Republicans took seriously their duty to care for their constituents and helped them sign up for health coverage starting next year? I don't know.

I can sure tell you one thing: if the law still crashed and burned like it has so far, there would be no way to blame the Republican Party for deliberately sabotaging the law, and that law would almost certainly be repealed by the end of 2015.
2013-11-02 12:02:31 AM  
2 votes:

slayer199: Gyrfalcon: If everyone would just shutthef*ckup for about a month, most likely the problems would sort themselves out, like the last release of Windows.

Windows ME?
Vista?
Windows 8?

None of those were truly fixed...it was the next version that fixed them.

So, it's the Republican's fault.  Color me shocked that they'd get blamed since the Obama administration is held blameless for anything.  The GOP sucks and all, but seriously...own up to your mistakes just once.

My buddy is a high end developer in the Bay area...and he was amazed that NONE of the big companies that build highly scalable applications were consulted for healthcare.gov.  Not Google, Not Oracle, Not Facebook...none of them.  And if they were asked, any of them could have done it right for a lot less.


Could they have done it right?  Yes.
Could they have done it for a lot less? Yes
Would they have done it for a lot less? Not a chance in hell.

Also, they would've needed more time..........honestly though I'd love to see what the usecases for the system design were, and more importantly their testing matrix.
2013-11-01 06:29:10 PM  
2 votes:
the ACA is great, the first 100,000 or so people saved from bankruptcy will never make conservative news...

it's just the middle class, i mean, who cares about them?
2013-11-01 05:56:29 PM  
2 votes:
"Rep. Tim Huelskamp (R-Kan.) said last summer that his office would not provide assistance in signing up for the law. "Given that we come from Kansas," he said, "it's much easier to say, 'Call your former governor," meaning Sebelius. "You say, 'She's the one. She's responsible.'''

And all the idiots in idiotland will clap their hands at his freedom loving hardline stance.

Of course never realizing that his entire reason to be g IS TO FARKING REPRESENT ALL HIS CONSTITUENTS, not just those with (R). WTF.

Entire Republican party has just become nothing more than the party of morons, stupid, and imbeciles. They are becoming a Monty Python joke. Never would have thought of saying this, but the Republican party is now become the greatest threat to this country. There is simply no defense or argument in favor of this Repubtard, he swore an oath, should be lawfully removed from his job.
2013-11-01 05:17:22 PM  
2 votes:

Wadded Beef: Holy crap...like a disoriented Egon after looking directly at the streams, I read the comments.

It's like they cloned my dumbass uncle a thousand times and all are trying to shout over each other.


Never read the bottom half of the internet. :)
2013-11-01 05:02:42 PM  
2 votes:

ManateeGag: FlashHarry: green? on freeper friday?

according to a different thread, Fark is all pro-Obama, all the time.


And according to reddit, we're conservatives. So in truth, we're all just drunk.
2013-11-01 04:56:10 PM  
2 votes:
meanwhile, back at the barn, the headline of the local paper:

"Residents stunned by costs"

why yes - we have a republican governor - who refused to expand medicaid and refused to set up a state exchange

that this particular red/blue state issue hasn't come up is a serious flaw in reporting
2013-11-01 11:07:11 PM  
1 votes:
If everyone would just shutthef*ckup for about a month, most likely the problems would sort themselves out, like the last release of Windows.
2013-11-01 09:32:29 PM  
1 votes:

tira: While I understand the sentiment, this presupposes an opinion of the Republican Party's organization and forward thinking that I can't possibly give them credit for.


You don't need forward thinking to wreck things.

Their entire plan is:

1) Break government.
2) Complain that government doesn't work.
3) Blame Obama.
2013-11-01 07:28:08 PM  
1 votes:

DeltaXi65: Governors opting out of health exchanges shouldn't have had much of an impact, considering most of those decisions were made years ago.


It could also be said that they failed to put in the proper budget and time allotments with relation to the number of states that would end up using the federal system.  When they passed the bill, they had lower estimates on the number of states that would participate in the federal marketplace.  Since it was impossible to add more time or money after the fact, they kinda hamstrung themselves.
2013-11-01 07:28:00 PM  
1 votes:

DeltaXi65: The problem with the central thesis of this article is that Republicans have had little to no impact - they couldn't, really - on anything relating to Obamacare's authorization since it was passed.  Yes, we've opposed it. Yes, the House has voted 40+ times to repeal it.  But in the end, other than the Supreme Court's striking down of the provisions that coerced states into accepting the expansion, it remains unchanged from what was passed (other than a handful of technical corrections).

On the funding side, that there were no dedicated funds was not specific to Obamacare - it was the result of not passing any kind of appropriations bills in a timely manner.  That was the fault of both House and Senate being unable to find a compromise on spending.  Governors opting out of health exchanges shouldn't have had much of an impact, considering most of those decisions were made years ago. This is a federal program, after all - it's not the states' responsibility to advertise it.

In the end, the failures of Obamacare - on the messaging front, on the website, and the fact that folks are unhappy right now - is squarely on the Administration.  Trying to throw blame around - especially on Republicans who have had the real power to do next to nothing to impact it - is just spin.


You're right. The Republicans did nothing, especially those governors that could have taken the funding to expand Medicaid and who could have set up state exchanges for their constituency but chose not to because ShariaBonghit Obummer is a SOCIALIST SATAN!!!!
2013-11-01 06:56:29 PM  
1 votes:

coffeeplease: The attempts to defend and then point fingers at Republicans are pretty funny actually. Own it Dems, this is your great accomplishment isn't it?


The website should only have pointed you to your state exchange. The fact that Republican governors are a bunch of shiat-for-brains is a contributing factor to the overall suck that is healthcare.gov.

Pointing fingers at the tard-brigade of teabaggers is perfectly proper.
2013-11-01 06:35:56 PM  
1 votes:

Lsherm: The state of denial among Democrats about how awful this rollout has actually been amuses me to no end.  Maybe they can keep screwing it up long enough to affect the 2014 elections.


Lets see...

Less than a quarter of all people get their insurance on the individual market
Most of the high population states have state-run marketplaces that are working fine
Signing up for a plan via the federal marketplace via phone is working fine
The federal marketplace website should be fixed within a month or two
The election is still a long way off and low information voters tend to have short memories

At most, I see a few votes in battleground districts going to Republicans over this.  But by the same token, I see a few votes going to Democrats since the Republicans have received the majority of the blame for the federal shutdown.

So tell me how this is going to have any sort of major effect on the elections?
2013-11-01 06:34:25 PM  
1 votes:

skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: Debeo Summa Credo: Obamacare Defense Brigade, assemble!!

When the only criticism you have is that the website isn't perfect, this is what you're left with.

Isn't perfect?


Right. Isn't that what I said? People are still signing up, it works for some people, but it isn't perfect.

Let's just agree to disagree so we can skip the 50 posts where you feebly attempt to nitpick my word choice.
2013-11-01 06:30:50 PM  
1 votes:
Dear GOP, YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO FEIGN OUTRAGE IF YOU HAVE NO INTEREST IN TAKING ANY ACTION TO HELP CORRECT THE PROBLEM.
2013-11-01 06:26:08 PM  
1 votes:

Debeo Summa Credo: Obamacare Defense Brigade, assemble!!


I was mustered out having served in the "explain the unfunded donut-hole-gap expansion plan" war of the previous administration, sir!
2013-11-01 06:23:09 PM  
1 votes:

Triple Oak: Best example of that idiocy? "We shouldn't be helping those hippies that didn't get away from that hurricane! Please help me get my cows out of the snow!"


It appears that nobody from the North Dakota delegation voted against Sandy relief.  Senator Thune of South Dakota did, however.
2013-11-01 06:15:02 PM  
1 votes:
And ObamaCare has even lost Jon Stewart. Or at least that is what the media tells me.
Jon's choral response is wonderful.
2013-11-01 06:13:46 PM  
1 votes:

Debeo Summa Credo: Obamacare Defense Brigade, assemble!!


It-will-actually-save-taxpayer-money-in-the-medium-long term-once-the-bass-ackwards-governors-get-on-board-due-to-electoral-or -financial-pressure-but-you-already-knew-that Man, reporting in!
2013-11-01 06:00:09 PM  
1 votes:

odinsposse: havocmike: Listen, I'm not sure how to break this to you guys, but most Americans really don't care about the site's problems. Sure they're upset/celebrating it depending on their leanings, but the real story here is the increase in rates for just about everyone else.

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Nice. And it goes without saying that the 3% "losers" will eventually need some real insurance instead of the cut-rate scams they have now. They'll BE COVERED and won't go bankrupt, but they'll still hate liberals, "0bama", etc.
2013-11-01 05:33:48 PM  
1 votes:

Corvus: Triple Oak: Serious Black:
I can sure tell you one thing: if the law still crashed and burned like it has so far...

A crash and burn, sure, if you're believing the mainstream derp. It's definitely not perfect in any way, but it's held up well despite the circumstances.

This is funny:

Access via phone or going in - FINE!

Access via phone or going in, PLUS website having some problems for some users - OMG! Crash and burn!!!

How does that make any sense.


I think I can link it to the dot-com boom of the 1990s. Really.

Remember those halcyon days when any business plan, however unworkable and unrealistic, could be made to look new and smell mountain-spring-fresh simply by tacking the words "...on the Internet!" on the end of it? Try it. It's like sticking "...in bed!" on the end of a fortune cookie fortune.

The sheer volume of money created on (admittedly two-ply and squeezably soft) paper during that era helped cement an axiom-It all worked oh so much better when it worked online, and when it didn't work online it was the worst thing since sliced Hitler. Like doing stuff online actually  amplified the user experience, for better or worse. (See also: Ubik)

That's what's happening here. People just believe that the online experience reflects the whole user experience, when they're only interacting with one portion of it. Because that's what they grew up hearing.
2013-11-01 05:29:26 PM  
1 votes:

Serious Black: Yeah, it's hyperbole to say the law is crashing and burning. The healthcare.gov website though...


Is having Issues.

Ah yes we remember how GTA V "crashed and burned" too. Or how World of Warcraft "Crashed and Burned". Or seriously put in almost any game that has a server component that actually has been successful for the last 5 years.

Server issues are fairly common with big services. To act like it's some sort of "OMG this means it's a failure" is a joke.
2013-11-01 05:24:32 PM  
1 votes:

Triple Oak: Serious Black:
I can sure tell you one thing: if the law still crashed and burned like it has so far...

A crash and burn, sure, if you're believing the mainstream derp. It's definitely not perfect in any way, but it's held up well despite the circumstances.


This is funny:

Access via phone or going in - FINE!

Access via phone or going in, PLUS website having some problems for some users - OMG! Crash and burn!!!

How does that make any sense.
2013-11-01 05:22:07 PM  
1 votes:

Triple Oak: Serious Black:
I can sure tell you one thing: if the law still crashed and burned like it has so far...

A crash and burn, sure, if you're believing the mainstream derp. It's definitely not perfect in any way, but it's held up well despite the circumstances.


I'm not sure I'd classify a website shiat-show as the law "crashing and burning" so much as the website being a shiat-show and everything else being pretty much normal.
2013-11-01 05:14:46 PM  
1 votes:
Holy crap...like a disoriented Egon after looking directly at the streams, I read the comments.

It's like they cloned my dumbass uncle a thousand times and all are trying to shout over each other.
2013-11-01 05:07:51 PM  
1 votes:

FlashHarry: [img.fark.net image 600x445]



Done in one.
2013-11-01 05:01:54 PM  
1 votes:

FlashHarry: green? on freeper friday?


according to a different thread, Fark is all pro-Obama, all the time.
2013-11-01 04:57:37 PM  
1 votes:

The RIchest Man in Babylon: FlashHarry: The RIchest Man in Babylon: FTComments:Republicans sabotaged it by not obeying the whims and desires of His Excellency President for Life, Field Marshal Al Hadji Doctor Barack Obama Dada, VC, DSO, MC, CBE, SCOAMF, and Last King of Scotland.

Had to google that one, ahem:

1. SCoaMF
Stuttering Clusterfark of a Miserable Failure.
An empty suit propped up by the media reading old tired Marxist tripe from a teleprompter.
A vapid celebrity or politician incapable of originating or uttering a coherent thought without a teleprompter or cue cards.
Someone demonstrably stupid and yet convinced of their own infallibility, even though unable to think or emote.
A politician or celebrity who has no resume, no plan, no clue, and cannot speak without someone telling them what to say.

[25.media.tumblr.com image 300x188]

jaysus. really?

You can't make this shiat up.


I bet he even submited that himself (or herself, stupid knows no gender).
2013-11-01 04:54:55 PM  
1 votes:
done, one
2013-11-01 04:21:37 PM  
1 votes:

The RIchest Man in Babylon: FTComments:Republicans sabotaged it by not obeying the whims and desires of His Excellency President for Life, Field Marshal Al Hadji Doctor Barack Obama Dada, VC, DSO, MC, CBE, SCOAMF, and Last King of Scotland.

Had to google that one, ahem:

1. SCoaMF
Stuttering Clusterfark of a Miserable Failure.
An empty suit propped up by the media reading old tired Marxist tripe from a teleprompter.
A vapid celebrity or politician incapable of originating or uttering a coherent thought without a teleprompter or cue cards.
Someone demonstrably stupid and yet convinced of their own infallibility, even though unable to think or emote.
A politician or celebrity who has no resume, no plan, no clue, and cannot speak without someone telling them what to say.

[25.media.tumblr.com image 300x188]


jaysus. really?
 
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